• AmigaNet nodelist archive

    From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to All on Sat Jan 11 23:58:33 2025
    Hi All,

    A couple of weeks back I "found" a backup of an old system of mine, "hidden" somewhere in a sub/sub directory of my data disk. On that backup there was a set of old AmigaNet nodelists. This put me on a quest to find as many old AmigaNet nodelists as possible. So the last couple of weeks I went through all old HD's I still had laying around from the last couple of decenia, and found a
    lot of them!

    I also found out that not all disks are still 100% readable. Most still worked,
    but some had read errors on a lot of files. So if you think keeping old hard disks for backup or archival purposes, think again!

    Finding them is one thing, putting them in an organized archive was also a bit of work. I came across different file names AMYLIST.* AmyList.*, different compression formats: .zip and .lha, or not compressed. And files that didn't have the correct file date. But that is all sorted now. ;-)

    The result can be found here:

    https://amiganet.fidoweb.net/amylist-archive/

    It's pretty much complete from the time I became the ZC in July 1999 upto now, with only a few missing here and there, and about half a year from July 2010 to
    January 2011. But from before that period I only have 4 from 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999. Maybe some of you have archives, or backups, or maybe even on floppy's, that can fill in the missing parts? That would be nice! ;-)

    What I still like to do is check if the 30 your old disks in my Amiga 4000 still work, and if there are maybe some files on them that can be rescued to add to the archive. And then there are a lot of even older floppies... Condition unkown... And can you even read Amiga floppy's on a Linux system?

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Jan 21 12:37:42 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    11 Jan 25 23:58, you wrote to all:

    What I still like to do is check if the 30 your old disks in my Amiga
    4000 still work, and if there are maybe some files on them that can be rescued to add to the archive. And then there are a lot of even older floppies... Condition unkown...

    Is the battery removed? The hd might need a jentle thud with your palm, if it dson't spin up at first.

    And can you even read Amiga floppy's on a Linux system?

    greaseweazle and a emulator if your A4000 is dead.



    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Tue Jan 21 09:28:55 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-01-21 12:37:42, you wrote to me:

    What I still like to do is check if the 30 your old disks in my Amiga
    4000 still work, and if there are maybe some files on them that can
    be rescued to add to the archive. And then there are a lot of even
    older floppies... Condition unkown...

    Is the battery removed?

    Yes, I did that decades ago. But there might have been already a bit of corrosion at the time of removal, if I remember correctly. I don't know if it did any damage. The Amiga 4000 hasn't been turned on since then. And I probably
    shouldn't because of aged capacitors, that need to be replaced to not cause any further damage before I turn it on...

    The hd might need a jentle thud with your palm, if it dson't spin up
    at first.

    Good to know. But I had bad experiences with old HD's in the last couple of weeks. All aged 10 years or older, and not been turned on for maybe 5 to 10 years. All would spin up just fine, but 3 out of 7 or 8 had read problems on some files...

    And can you even read Amiga floppy's on a Linux system?

    greaseweazle and a emulator if your A4000 is dead.

    Good to know!

    Do you maybe have archives or backups from the 90's? I see you are already present in the oldest AmigaNet nodelist from 1995 that is in the archive! ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to All on Tue Jan 21 22:36:41 2025
    Hi All,

    On 2025-01-11 23:58:33, I wrote to you:

    What I still like to do is check if the 30 your old disks in my Amiga 4000 still work, and if there are maybe some files on them that can
    be rescued to add to the archive.

    So I opened up my Amiga 4000, to get the disks out. To my surprise there were 3
    disks.

    The 2 expected pata disks:

    1: QUANTUM: PRODRIVE LPS 240 AT 245MB (Sep. 1996)
    2: WESTERN DIGITAL: AC-2540 516MB (Feb. 1994)

    If they still work it should not be a problem to create a disk image from them,
    and go from there. But they haven't been turned on for some 25 years, so it would be kind of amazing if they still work and data can be read from them.


    And the surprise disk, mounted on a special card:

    3: SEAGATE: ST31200N 1050MB SCSI2 (April 1995)

    I didn't remember it was in there ;-) And it is going to be a problem. I need to find somekind of scsi interface for the modern desktop. And I'm not willing to spend more then a couple of bucks to find out what is on this disk, that might not even work any more.


    To be continued...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 22 13:15:58 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    21 Jan 25 09:28, you wrote to me:

    Is the battery removed?

    Yes, I did that decades ago. But there might have been already a bit
    of corrosion at the time of removal, if I remember correctly. I don't
    know if it did any damage. The Amiga 4000 hasn't been turned on since then. And I probably shouldn't because of aged capacitors, that need
    to be replaced to not cause any further damage before I turn it on...

    Yeah best to get them replaced, and the battery acid looked at.

    The hd might need a jentle thud with your palm, if it don't spin
    up at first.

    Good to know. But I had bad experiences with old HD's in the last
    couple of weeks. All aged 10 years or older, and not been turned on
    for maybe 5 to 10 years. All would spin up just fine, but 3 out of 7
    or 8 had read problems on some files...

    Yeah, it's a 50/50 chance with old drives. I've been able to image old drives in the past...
    A couple just in time before they then died. #-\

    Do you maybe have archives or backups from the 90's? I see you are
    already present in the oldest AmigaNet nodelist from 1995 that is in
    the archive! ;-)

    No old backup's... I left the amiga screen just as C= died! Only got back into it about 10 years ago now..

    A lot of water under the bridge, and lost data.... I now do backup's a lot more
    often (Both pc/amiga).





    Stephen


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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 22 13:20:40 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    21 Jan 25 22:36, you wrote to all:

    3: SEAGATE: ST31200N 1050MB SCSI2 (April 1995)

    I didn't remember it was in there ;-) And it is going to be a problem.
    I need to find somekind of scsi interface for the modern desktop. And
    I'm not willing to spend more then a couple of bucks to find out what
    is on this disk, that might not even work any more.

    Pitty your on the other side of the planet! I still have two Adaptech 20940's with cables...

    They both still work, as during last year I tested a 68Pin scis drive before putting it near any amiga.

    Out of the hords of stuff I still have! You never know if/when someone wants to
    get somthing off a old drive.



    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Wed Jan 22 09:37:03 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-01-22 13:15:58, you wrote to me:

    Yes, I did that decades ago. But there might have been already a bit
    of corrosion at the time of removal, if I remember correctly. I don't
    know if it did any damage. The Amiga 4000 hasn't been turned on since
    then. And I probably shouldn't because of aged capacitors, that need
    to be replaced to not cause any further damage before I turn it on...

    Yeah best to get them replaced, and the battery acid looked at.

    I remember cleaning the board after removing the battery. So if there was any residual acid, it couldn't have done any further damage.

    Good to know. But I had bad experiences with old HD's in the last
    couple of weeks. All aged 10 years or older, and not been turned on
    for maybe 5 to 10 years. All would spin up just fine, but 3 out of 7
    or 8 had read problems on some files...

    Yeah, it's a 50/50 chance with old drives. I've been able to image old
    drives
    in the past... A couple just in time before they then died. #-\

    I'll have to wait and see with my Amiga drives.

    Do you maybe have archives or backups from the 90's? I see you are
    already present in the oldest AmigaNet nodelist from 1995 that is in
    the archive! ;-)

    No old backup's... I left the amiga screen just as C= died! Only got back
    into
    it about 10 years ago now..

    Pitty! ;-)

    A lot of water under the bridge, and lost data.... I now do backup's a
    lot more often (Both pc/amiga).

    Same here. I think you lived much more in the moment then, and enjoyed your time spend on the Amniga, and backups didn't come to mind (so much). Also computers didn't take up such a big part of daily live. LCD screens didn't even
    exist, and digital photo camera's neither, or were way to expensive. So there was much less data, and HD space was much more expensive and less available...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Wed Jan 22 09:32:43 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-01-22 13:20:40, you wrote to me:

    3: SEAGATE: ST31200N 1050MB SCSI2 (April 1995)

    I didn't remember it was in there ;-) And it is going to be a problem.
    I need to find somekind of scsi interface for the modern desktop. And
    I'm not willing to spend more then a couple of bucks to find out what
    is on this disk, that might not even work any more.

    Pitty your on the other side of the planet! I still have two Adaptech
    20940's
    with cables...

    Is that an Amiga card? (Google doesn't give any results, even without the 'h').
    I need something I can connect to (or in) my Linux desktop! ;-)

    They both still work, as during last year I tested a 68Pin scis drive before putting it near any amiga.

    I think mine is connected with a 50 pin cable, but I haven't counted. ;-)

    Out of the hords of stuff I still have! You never know if/when someone wants to get somthing off a old drive.

    Indeed. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to All on Thu Jan 23 21:23:31 2025
    Hi All,

    On 2025-01-21 22:36:41, I wrote to you:

    So I opened up my Amiga 4000, to get the disks out. To my surprise
    there were 3 disks.

    The 2 expected pata disks:

    1: QUANTUM: PRODRIVE LPS 240 AT 245MB (Sep. 1996)
    2: WESTERN DIGITAL: AC-2540 516MB (Feb. 1994)

    If they still work it should not be a problem to create a disk image from them, and go from there. But they haven't been turned on for some 25
    years, so
    it would be kind of amazing if they still work and data can be read from
    them.

    Well that turned out a disappointment. Both disks spin up, and get noticed by the bios or OS, when attached to a computer, either directly or on a pata/usb interface. But not without all kinds of errors. And when I try to communicate with them to get some data of the disks, all I get is errors. So not a single byte could be retrieved from them.

    I'm probably going to store them in a cupboard somewhere, in the minute hope a future opportunity will present itself to retrieve some data from them. ;-)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Jan 26 17:32:58 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    22 Jan 25 09:37, you wrote to me:

    Do you maybe have archives or backups from the 90's? I see you
    are already present in the oldest AmigaNet nodelist from 1995
    that is in the archive! ;-)

    No old backup's... I left the amiga screen just as C= died! Only
    got back into it about 10 years ago now..

    Pitty! ;-)

    Yeah.. Never thought I'd be back on the Amiga bandwagon!

    A lot of water under the bridge, and lost data.... I now do
    backup's a lot more often (Both pc/amiga).

    Same here. I think you lived much more in the moment then, and enjoyed your time spend on the Amniga, and backups didn't come to mind (so
    much). Also computers didn't take up such a big part of daily live.

    Back then a basic os install didn'nt take up 23Gb. That's looking at you windows.
    I was using OS/2 on pc's and then later (like now) linux.

    LCD screens didn't even exist, and digital photo camera's neither, or
    were way to expensive. So there was much less data, and HD space was
    much more expensive and less available...

    I still have my first 256Mb USB Memory stick, purchased for $100 when they first came out.
    It now has MS-DOS 6.5/QEMM/DV installed. Used for viewing ansi screens on a laptop, and somethimes foing
    firward updates for old cards. etc..

    CRT's have contrubuted to my very bad eye sight. As sson as I could I switched to LCD's.
    I'm short sigted, and have had glasses since 10. But in the past 1.5 years they
    have gotten worse...




    Stephen


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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Jan 26 17:43:22 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    22 Jan 25 09:32, you wrote to me:

    Pitty your on the other side of the planet! I still have two
    Adaptech 20940's with cables...

    Is that an Amiga card? (Google doesn't give any results, even without
    the 'h'). I need something I can connect to (or in) my Linux desktop!
    ;-)

    Geez, my typing was crap that day... Adaptec AHA-2940UW...

    They both still work, as during last year I tested a 68Pin scsi
    drive before putting it near any amiga.

    I think mine is connected with a 50 pin cable, but I haven't counted.
    ;-)

    Old and fat cable = 50pin. #-) (Watching Chris Edwards video on youtube).

    Out of the hords of stuff I still have! You never know if/when
    someone wants to get somthing off a old drive.

    Indeed. ;-)

    Yep. That's also why I still have a couple of MB's with IDE on them.. #-)



    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Jan 27 10:44:22 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-01-26 17:32:58, you wrote to me:

    Yeah.. Never thought I'd be back on the Amiga bandwagon!

    I never thought AmigaNet would survive this long! ;-)

    LCD screens didn't even exist, and digital photo camera's neither, or
    were way to expensive. So there was much less data, and HD space was
    much more expensive and less available...

    CRT's have contrubuted to my very bad eye sight.

    They did?

    As sson as I could I switched to LCD's. I'm short sigted,

    Me too.

    and have had glasses since 10.

    That's about the age I got them too.

    But in the past 1.5 years they have gotten worse...

    It's about stable for me for the last couple of decades. Except for needing reading glasses when I have my contacts in. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Jan 27 10:48:19 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-01-26 17:43:22, you wrote to me:

    Is that an Amiga card? (Google doesn't give any results, even without
    the 'h'). I need something I can connect to (or in) my Linux desktop!
    ;-)

    Geez, my typing was crap that day... Adaptec AHA-2940UW...

    I can find those. They are sold on ebay for a wide range of prices. But too much for my purpose. And from the pictures they don't all look the same...

    They both still work, as during last year I tested a 68Pin scsi
    drive before putting it near any amiga.

    I think mine is connected with a 50 pin cable, but I haven't counted.
    ;-)

    Old and fat cable = 50pin. #-) (Watching Chris Edwards video on youtube).

    Ok...

    Out of the hords of stuff I still have! You never know if/when
    someone wants to get somthing off a old drive.

    Indeed. ;-)

    Yep. That's also why I still have a couple of MB's with IDE on them.. #-)

    At work I have saved some older machines, that still have IDE. I used one to try and read the old Amiga disks...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to All on Tue Feb 18 19:05:20 2025
    Hi All,

    On 2025-01-11 23:58:33, I wrote to you:

    A couple of weeks back I "found" a backup of an old system of mine, "hidden"
    somewhere in a sub/sub directory of my data disk. On that backup there
    was a
    set of old AmigaNet nodelists. This put me on a quest to find as many old AmigaNet nodelists as possible. So the last couple of weeks I went
    through all
    old HD's I still had laying around from the last couple of decenia, and
    found
    a lot of them!

    I also found out that not all disks are still 100% readable. Most still worked, but some had read errors on a lot of files. So if you think
    keeping
    old hard disks for backup or archival purposes, think again!

    Finding them is one thing, putting them in an organized archive was also
    a bit
    of work. I came across different file names AMYLIST.* AmyList.*,
    different
    compression formats: .zip and .lha, or not compressed. And files that
    didn't
    have the correct file date. But that is all sorted now. ;-)

    The result can be found here:

    https://amiganet.fidoweb.net/amylist-archive/

    This page was updated. The archive for 2020 is now complete too. With thanks to
    Ulrich Schroeter!

    It's pretty much complete from the time I became the ZC in July 1999
    upto now, with only a few missing here and there, and about half a
    year from July 2010 to January 2011. But from before that period I
    only have 4 from 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999. Maybe some of you have archives, or backups, or maybe even on floppy's, that can fill in the missing parts? That would be nice! ;-)

    This is still the case. So if you could check your archives and backups, that would be really nice! ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Mar 2 16:29:26 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    28 Feb 25 18:22, you wrote to all:

    This was updated because I found 2 older files this week. One from 6
    may 1994, the oldest I have so far, and an other from 1996.
    [...]
    ;-) So I guess none of the current AmigaNet nodes were present in
    1994, but I didn't do an extensive compare! ;-)

    Lot's of people went on to do other things!

    I found these after I posted a message on this forum: https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=119787

    You was noticed! #-;

    And someone responded who had indexed and made searchable the files in
    his collection from: https://ftp.grandis.nu/turran/
    Which has an enormous collection of Amiga related cd-roms, disks, and files...

    18+TB of stuff!



    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to All on Fri Feb 28 18:22:01 2025
    Hi All,

    On 2025-02-18 19:05:20, I wrote to you:

    https://amiganet.fidoweb.net/amylist-archive/

    This was updated because I found 2 older files this week. One from 6 may 1994, the oldest I have so far, and an other from 1996.

    The 1994 list differs a lot from the second oldest list from 29 december 1995. And doesn't contain Benny's nor Stephen's system. ;-)
    So I guess none of the current AmigaNet nodes were present in 1994, but I didn't do an extensive compare! ;-)

    I found these after I posted a message on this forum: https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=119787

    And someone responded who had indexed and made searchable the files in his collection from:
    https://ftp.grandis.nu/turran/

    Which has an enormous collection of Amiga related cd-roms, disks, and files...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Sun Mar 2 13:35:02 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-03-02 16:29:26, you wrote to me:

    This was updated because I found 2 older files this week. One from 6
    may 1994, the oldest I have so far, and an other from 1996.
    [...]
    ;-) So I guess none of the current AmigaNet nodes were present in
    1994, but I didn't do an extensive compare! ;-)

    Lot's of people went on to do other things!

    Probably...

    I found these after I posted a message on this forum:
    https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=119787

    You was noticed! #-;

    A bit to my surprise, because the platform is mostly about games and demos. ;-)

    And someone responded who had indexed and made searchable the files
    in his collection from: https://ftp.grandis.nu/turran/ Which has an
    enormous collection of Amiga related cd-roms, disks, and files...

    18+TB of stuff!

    There is of course a lot of overlap, because a lot of those cd-roms and disks had the same content...

    But it's good thing it's preserved in its original form.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Mar 3 10:30:04 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    02 Mar 25 13:35, you wrote to me:

    I found these after I posted a message on this forum:
    https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=119787

    You was noticed! #-;

    A bit to my surprise, because the platform is mostly about games and demos. ;-)

    Are you meaning the Amiga or the site? As there are lots of sub message area's and topics.



    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Mar 3 12:14:05 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-03-03 10:30:04, you wrote to me:

    I found these after I posted a message on this forum:
    https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=119787

    You was noticed! #-;

    A bit to my surprise, because the platform is mostly about games and
    demos. ;-)

    Are you meaning the Amiga or the site?

    The site.

    As there are lots of sub message area's and topics.

    There are lots of topics indeed, but games get the most attention, or are the motivation for other topics...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@39:901/280 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Mar 5 10:27:12 2025

    Hello Wilfred!

    03 Mar 25 12:14, you wrote to me:

    A bit to my surprise, because the platform is mostly about games
    and demos. ;-)
    Are you meaning the Amiga or the site?
    The site.
    As there are lots of sub message area's and topics.

    There are lots of topics indeed, but games get the most attention, or
    are the motivation for other topics...

    Oh. I've not noticed that. I'm not a hard core gamer. There's only a few that I'll play.
    RTS being my thing! (C&C mentioned in previous posts).

    As a matter of fact, eab is the only amiga fourm I'm mostly on... #-)





    Stephen


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Stephen Walsh on Wed Mar 5 09:32:31 2025
    Hi Stephen,

    On 2025-03-05 10:27:12, you wrote to me:

    There are lots of topics indeed, but games get the most attention, or
    are the motivation for other topics...

    Oh. I've not noticed that. I'm not a hard core gamer.

    Me neither, far from it... ;-)

    There's only a few that I'll play. RTS being my thing! (C&C mentioned
    in previous posts).

    I remember playing Tetris, and Lemings (was that the name?). ;-)

    As a matter of fact, eab is the only amiga fourm I'm mostly on... #-)

    Then maybe you know better, I only discovered it recently. And it seemed mostly
    about games at first glance...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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