• Come visit the Coffeehouse!

    From @lkosov@tilde.town to tilde.text on Mon Jun 14 16:48:03 2021
    Friends, Tildizens, countrymen; lend me your, uh... eyes?

    As some of you know from past posts here, I've been digging into the history
    of old online communities, particularly on Usenet, of late. I've posted
    about the "Nomads of the Net", who settled alt.kalbo (and elsewhere); I've posted about alt.callahans, about alt.dragons-inn, and a few other places of yore.

    alt.callahans still has a fairly steady stream of posts, by people who've
    been there for decades. It's a strange place, modeled after a bar in a
    series of books that are out of print. Even if you find, and read, the
    books, you'll still only understand a small portion of the in-jokes, memes,
    and references the place has spawned over nearly thirty years.

    alt-dragons-inn still has readers, and occasional posters, but it's a place
    for interactive storytelling in a sprawling medieval fantasy world. The archives are fun to read, but if fiction-writing isn't your forte, it
    probably doesn't hold much interest. And even if it is, there's a
    substantial barrier to entry, in reading (and just finding) the background material on the world, reading what's gone before, etc.

    Nobody has, alas, posted to alt.kalbo in years, and the surviving archived posts suggest it was mostly a random social chit-chat group. This was
    probably great when there was already a group of people there, but going to visit there now would be... a rather underwhelming experience, probably.

    I offer this all by way of context for a newsgroup from the '90s that I'd
    like you all to visit, and participate in - alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst

    What is it? A casual social forum, a virtual world, built around the
    metaphor of a small coffeehouse. It dates back to 1993 or so, and there are still a handful of folks there. I've been chatting with them for a couple weeks; they're nice folks, funny, smart... and they welcome new patrons
    (i.e. you).

    The group's FAQ is here: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/pub-amethyst-faq/

    It's a bit long and a bit out of date, but it covers pretty much everything
    you need to know in one handy-dandy, and not novel-length, spot.

    The most important thing to know is this: posts there are made in the third person, a conceit that was popular on BBSes and newsgroups in the early
    '90s; the FAQ refers to this by the metaphor of "virtual reality". (It's probably a carryover from alt.callahans, which did the same thing; as you'll see in the FAQ, the Amethyst was founded by Callahans patrons.)

    I know; it seems kind of weird. But it's not that hard--as the FAQ points
    out, you can write in the first person if you wrap your text in quotes, as
    if "you" are "speaking"--and it *was* a very prevalent thing in the early
    days of the 'net. And it allows for a degree of nuance, of exactitude,
    that's difficult to convey otherwise. (It also solved the pronoun problem, three decades ago. *lkosov shrugs his shoulders.* Boom, preferred pronouns conveyed, naturally and with zero ambiguity. And people don't have to scroll back eight-hundred messages or use some special command to find it, they
    just have to glance at your most recent post.) Also, it's honestly kind of
    fun.

    Another virtue of this place is that it's *small*, and you can assimilate
    the whole virtual world very, very quickly. It's a coffeehouse. There's a
    big room, there's a stage in the corner, there's a back room, there's a
    kitchen in the back room. Oh, and there's a fireplace, with a mantel, on
    which there are a bunch of Books. (See FAQ for explanation.) There's also a Charles, a Galileo, and a Mrs. Shelley... there, you now know everything
    there is to know about the Amethyst Coffeehouse.

    To read (and hopefully participate in) alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst, you'll need to connect to a (non-Tildeverse) Usenet news server, like AIOE or Eternal-September. (You could also use a paid service such as
    usenetfire.com, which offers "block" plans billed by data transfered,
    starting from 2 USD per 50 GB, which will last you a couple lifetimes of
    purely text-based Usenet.)

    Come visit, talk to the regulars, have fun, and experience the 'net in a quirkily early-1990s way!
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  • From @lkosov@tilde.town to tilde.text on Mon Jun 14 16:50:22 2021
    Also, if you'd like to read the short stories that inspired the Amethyst Coffeehouse, they're available here, in order:

    https://www.dangermouse.net/prose/amethyst1.html

    https://www.dangermouse.net/prose/amethyst2.html

    https://www.dangermouse.net/prose/amethyst3.html

    https://www.dangermouse.net/prose/amethyst4.html

    https://www.dangermouse.net/prose/amethyst5.html
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  • From Arch@archenoth@tilde.town to tilde.text on Mon Jun 14 15:23:19 2021
    Oh my gosh! That coffeehouse is cute as heck!

    I love tiny little communities that have this sort of comfy homey vibe
    to them.

    How are you finding these groups?
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.text on Mon Jun 14 22:13:58 2021
    On 2021-06-14, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    I offer this all by way of context for a newsgroup from the '90s that I'd like you all to visit, and participate in - alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst

    OMG, I'm so on my way.
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  • From @lkosov@tilde.town to tilde.text on Mon Jun 14 22:56:56 2021
    Arch <archenoth@tilde.town> wrote:
    Oh my gosh! That coffeehouse is cute as heck!

    I love tiny little communities that have this sort of comfy homey vibe
    to them.

    So do I. They're out there, they're just... difficult to find.


    How are you finding these groups?

    A lot of quality Google time, mainly, but also reading old newsgroup
    postings. In this case I believe I found it via an article I think I shared here a few weeks ago about the alt.pub.* hierarchy, and how the groups there had spun off from alt.callahans and alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo; as luck would
    have it there were actual non-spam posts from real people there.
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  • From f6k@f6k@huld.re to tilde.text on Wed Jun 16 22:29:42 2021
    hello,

    On 2021-06-14, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
    On 2021-06-14, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    I offer this all by way of context for a newsgroup from the '90s that I'd
    like you all to visit, and participate in - alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst

    OMG, I'm so on my way.

    same here, it's added to my slrnpull.conf. thank you very much lkosov
    for sharing all this. it's always interesting.

    -f6k
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  • From cymen@cymen@tilde.town to tilde.text on Fri Jul 16 09:15:18 2021

    On 14.06.21 23:23, Arch wrote:
    I love tiny little communities that have this sort of comfy homey vibe
    to them.


    I like this one: http://ifmud.port4000.com/
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  • From randymon@randymon@tilde.club to tilde.text on Tue Nov 9 01:54:53 2021
    On 2021-06-14, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    Friends, Tildizens, countrymen; lend me your, uh... eyes?

    As some of you know from past posts here, I've been digging into the
    history of old online communities, particularly on Usenet, of late.
    I've posted about the "Nomads of the Net", who settled alt.kalbo (and elsewhere); I've posted about alt.callahans, about alt.dragons-inn,
    and a few other places of yore.

    Glad for the tips, and I've subscribed to a few of them.

    I once started a project to scan all NGs and see which ones still had
    activity, but I never finished it.

    There's regular action at:
    comp.misc (computers/tech talk)
    misc.news.internet.discuss (current events)
    sci.misc (science news)
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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@711@spooky.mart to tilde.text on Mon Nov 8 23:06:44 2021
    On 11/8/21 7:54 PM, randymon wrote:
    On 2021-06-14, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    Friends, Tildizens, countrymen; lend me your, uh... eyes?

    As some of you know from past posts here, I've been digging into the
    history of old online communities, particularly on Usenet, of late.
    I've posted about the "Nomads of the Net", who settled alt.kalbo (and
    elsewhere); I've posted about alt.callahans, about alt.dragons-inn,
    and a few other places of yore.

    Glad for the tips, and I've subscribed to a few of them.

    I once started a project to scan all NGs and see which ones still had activity, but I never finished it.

    There's regular action at:
    comp.misc (computers/tech talk)
    misc.news.internet.discuss (current events)
    sci.misc (science news)

    Sometimes I see 40-50 posts a day at:

    sci.crypt
    alt.folklore.computers

    There has been a Usenet server at news.grc.com for many years (at least
    20). It has local hierarchies that are not synced with the greater Usenet.
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