Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place and what moved
you to choose tilde.pink as host? How do you spend your time on the
server?
- gopher
- gemini
- irc
- news
- learning
- scripting
- programming, compiling and testing
- playing around
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snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place and what moved
you to choose tilde.pink as host? How do you spend your time on the
server?

Though I'm not on Pink, I'm quite curious about this last question
relating to all Tilde/Pubnix users. So forgive me for hyjacking
the thread, but I for one would be interested to hear from anyone
on this.

Most of my computers run Linux, and the rest can usually telnet
into a Linux system on my LAN (except for the old 8-bitters and
the like), so there's not much point to suffering the laggy SSH
experience in order to do programming/browsing. My internet
connection makes the lag more of an issue than it would be for
others.

I joined Aussies.space specifically for hosting content on Gopher,
doing so anonymously without needing to set up a separate server
for it myself, and serving content uploaded by SFTP is still
its main role for me. The email account is useful, but I only
average getting about one email a month there. I also use Aussies
to receive logs via scp from a remote internet-connected device
that I set up, though that did bite me when Aussies had an upgrade
and the host key changed. Now I've implemented the ugly hack that
prevents Dropbear scp from checking host keys, so I should be safe
against that next time.

I also like to spy on the other users via 'w'/'who' and 'top' to
see what they're up to. It usually seems to be IRC via weechat,
but I don't like instant messaging myself. One particular user is
always running something moderately resource intensive with Python.

I do also use Aussies for downloading archives containing multiple
files, extracting just the files I want, and then compressing them
again, so that I can download the specific file I want without
wasting my home internet data allowance. But generally tasks aimed
at keeping within my data limits by doing external processing
require more disk space than is probably fair to use up on Aussies.
Those tasks, such as processing large data sets and building custom
OpenWRT images, I tend to do on a private VPS.
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freet@aussies.space (The Free Thinker) writes:

Most of my computers run Linux, and the rest can usually telnet
into a Linux system on my LAN (except for the old 8-bitters and
the like), so there's not much point to suffering the laggy SSH
experience in order to do programming/browsing. My internet
connection makes the lag more of an issue than it would be for
others.

Try MOSH. Even at home. It feels faster (thanks to UDP?) and I can
send my GUIy frontend system to sleep and after waking up, all
connections still exist as if the suspend never had happened.

I also like to spy on the other users via 'w'/'who' and 'top' to
see what they're up to. It usually seems to be IRC via weechat,
but I don't like instant messaging myself. One particular user is
always running something moderately resource intensive with Python.

I try not to do intense stuff on pubnixes and I have many unix papoy at
home. With all respect, I additional dislike to do stuff that needs
passwords on other systems except the ones I have exclusively control.
So I'm probably a really boring guinea pig for watchers of `ps`.

Pubnixes are more my kind of plaintext facebook. The related chats and
news are more like talking with neighbours, while the majority of other
chats I constantly follow are more like support channels of soft- and
hardware I use. I easily have >100 buffers open in my IRC client but
only a handfull of them really can be seen as 'social' I follow because
of the neighbours there.

Those tasks, such as processing large data sets and building custom
OpenWRT images, I tend to do on a private VPS.

I need to dedust my OpenWRTs again. Maybe someday I'm even brave enough
to try a flash upgrade on some WR703Ns. And one of those is bricked
because someone told me I could swich from SquashFS image to JFFS image
by a simple update via LuCI. Maybe that one should be the 1st candidate
for a bigger flash? No idea when I get into that. Lots of dark energy constantly is expanding my to do list.
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On 2022-02-02, The Free Thinker <freet@aussies.space> wrote:

Though I'm not on Pink, I'm quite curious about this last question
relating to all Tilde/Pubnix users. So forgive me for hyjacking
the thread, but I for one would be interested to hear from anyone
on this.

I think this is exactly within the scope and the spirit of
tildeverse, or they wouldn't be hosting a network of relayed
newsservers. I'm happy the question drew your attention and that it
turned out less banal than I had anticipated. Can't help welcoming your hijacking.

Most of my computers run Linux, and the rest can usually telnet
into a Linux system on my LAN (except for the old 8-bitters and
the like), so there's not much point to suffering the laggy SSH
experience in order to do programming/browsing. My internet
connection makes the lag more of an issue than it would be for
others.

I'll stress the recommendation which @yeti already pointed you out to:
use mosh. Most public Unices support it nowadays and have their packet
filter's ruleset adapted accordingly
correct range.

I had been using BSD for years before ever venturing into Linux and this
is reflected by the fact that most of my systems (the laptop I writing from now, my Rpi 3 and 4, my Odroid C2, and my 2 x86_32 machines) run NetBSD.
I won't deny I've chosen tilde.pink because it ran NetBSD as I did with
SDF.org at the time. It just feels more like home; I'm more accustomed
to the specific syntax of the commands, as well as the inners of the

I joined Aussies.space specifically for hosting content on Gopher,
doing so anonymously without needing to set up a separate server
for it myself, and serving content uploaded by SFTP is still
its main role for me. The email account is useful, but I only
average getting about one email a month there. I also use Aussies
to receive logs via scp from a remote internet-connected device
that I set up, though that did bite me when Aussies had an upgrade
and the host key changed. Now I've implemented the ugly hack that
prevents Dropbear scp from checking host keys, so I should be safe
against that next time.

While I do use public shells to transfer files over SSH/FTP (it's the
most convenient solution if you don't want to rely on commercial cloud
storage services, unless you run your own internet-facing file server),
this is not my main use case. As yeti mentioned, I really like the
social aspect of it: gopher/gemini being obscure inaccessible places of
the internet, representing a dystopian reality where things went in a different direction and the net just remained a tool to connect people
and share ideas. Then the IRC, the newsgroups, the radio stations.
Pub Unices and especially Tildes are a great place to meet new people
with shared geeky interests, and also to discover interest things you'd otherwise never come across elsewhere.

I also use pubnix as may main mail and xmpp providers (alongside
RiseUp.net and my institutional account, which relies on GMail) and
don't mind having to remote connect via SSH to launch mutt, if the
server doesn't provide IMAPS and remote ESMTP. My neomutt+nvi+abook+gpg2
setup provides all I need. I often connect from my Android Phone via
JuiceSSH or ConnectBot, and use vi from the virtual keyboard.

Remote shell access is an important aspect of my pubnix computing.
Testing scripts, experimenting ideas while I'm nothing doing on train.
I have an unprivileged pkgsrc bootstrap on tilde.pink and use that to
test patches. Also, I'm a mod at UnitedBSD forum, so when I want to
make sure the solution I came up with for a question actually works, I
usually rapidly connect to a remote shell (which includes a couple of my embedded boards, for personal use).

I don't mind listening to tilderadio and aNONradio while I'm studying (I use
a curses program called pyradio). It's amazing how the vast range of
different genres played ends up going well with one another.

Finally, my website is hosted on SDF, while my gopherhole (wip) on
tilde.pink. I started looking at tildes as I was interested
in learning more about Gemini, which I had been indirectly introduced to
by jmcbray, who used to be really active on the orbitalfox.eu mailing
lists (I think the official ML for the Gemini protocol was hosted
there).

I also like to spy on the other users via 'w'/'who' and 'top' to
see what they're up to. It usually seems to be IRC via weechat,
but I don't like instant messaging myself. One particular user is
always running something moderately resource intensive with Python.

Well, I do to. spying is a nice and healthy practice :/
I love attempting finger on users I come checking their phlog. On SDF
there's also the profiles systems, and obviously the users gallery
(including the desktop screenshots). I think all of this helps building
up a strong sense of community as well as making this distant, close to anonymous interaction more 'human'. I also have shell account on a VAX
7000/640 running OpenVMS 7.3 at Leaving Computer Museum. Let's spy:

$ SHOW SYSTEM
OpenVMS V7.3 on node ROSIE 3-FEB-2022 07:30:19.73 Uptime 41 17:10:26
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages 20200101 SWAPPER HIB 16 0 0 00:00:01.54 0 0
20200106 CLUSTER_SERVER HIB 12 11 0 00:00:00.02 200 309
20200107 CONFIGURE HIB 8 11 0 00:00:00.02 125 187
20200108 LANACP HIB 13 46 0 00:00:00.10 366 713
2020010A IPCACP HIB 10 6 0 00:01:28.37 210 102
2020010B ERRFMT HIB 8 25398 0 00:00:35.73 163 182
2020010C CACHE_SERVER HIB 16 6 0 00:00:00.01 83 125
2020010D OPCOM HIB 8 6049 0 00:00:11.90 1320 167
2020010E AUDIT_SERVER HIB 10 508 0 00:00:04.79 677 471
2020010F JOB_CONTROL HIB 10 2104 0 00:00:09.33 365 243
20200110 QUEUE_MANAGER HIB 10 541 0 00:00:10.61 908 661
20200111 SECURITY_SERVER HIB 10 191 0 00:37:57.70 12508 1323
20200112 SMISERVER HIB 9 33 0 00:01:14.29 449 73
20200113 TCPIP$INETACP HIB 9 4497 0 00:00:06.99 1229 713
20200114 TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 10 204 0 00:00:13.13 7714 70 N
2020021C ROSS LEF 4 511 0 00:00:01.38 7443 181
20200123 CROSS LEF 7 1125 0 00:00:03.04 13491 282
20200544 Malcolm Blunden LEF 5 341 0 00:00:01.32 8159 184
20200545 REMINDERS__0544 LEF 6 89 0 00:00:00.40 419 376 S
20200547 ANANKE CUR 2 7 314 0 00:00:01.23 8191 306
20200248 SMJ LEF 7 291 0 00:00:01.23 7880 245
20200373 MBROWN LEF 4 401 0 00:00:01.97 11537 159

$ WHO
OpenVMS User Processes at 3-FEB-2022 08:19:23.40
Total number of users = 6, number of processes = 8

Username Node Interactive Subprocess Batch
ANANKE ROSIE 2
CROSS ROSIE 1
MALCOLMB ROSIE 1 1
MBROWN ROSIE 1
ROSS ROSIE 1
SMJ ROSIE 1

Those tasks, such as processing large data sets and building custom
OpenWRT images, I tend to do on a private VPS.

Again, if you think you might tolerate sudden power outages and
suboptimal signal (there are workarounds), then why not build your own
box with a old machine left taking dust in the garage?
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In tilde.meta snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

On 2022-02-02, The Free Thinker <freet@aussies.space> wrote:

Most of my computers run Linux, and the rest can usually telnet
into a Linux system on my LAN (except for the old 8-bitters and
the like), so there's not much point to suffering the laggy SSH
experience in order to do programming/browsing. My internet
connection makes the lag more of an issue than it would be for
others.

I'll stress the recommendation which @yeti already pointed you out to:
use mosh. Most public Unices support it nowadays and have their packet filter's ruleset adapted accordingly
correct range.

Thanks to both of you for the MOSH recommendation, I think I'd
assumed it was an Android terminal app when I'd head about it in
the past and hence never looked deep enough to see it was actually
exactly what I was looking for, and even proposing myself: gopher://aussies.space/0/%7efreet/ideas/2021-11-05Ghost_Shell.txt

I'll be sure to give it a try once I get the chance.

Those tasks, such as processing large data sets and building custom
OpenWRT images, I tend to do on a private VPS.

Again, if you think you might tolerate sudden power outages and
suboptimal signal (there are workarounds), then why not build your own
box with a old machine left taking dust in the garage?

Funny you mention power outages because my first attempt to read
your post was actually interrupted by one yesterday. Three ~5hr
blackouts in the last couple of days, so I hope I finish this
response before it goes again.

In spite of that I do have an idea in the back of my mind to start
a tilde running on a Raspberry Pi Zero stuck at the side of a
paddock with solar power and mobile broadband internet connection.
It would be a bit of a silly novelty, but maybe a bit of fun,
especially with some web cams. I've seen providers of mobile
broadband that can give you a fixed IP, though of course you pay
extra for it.


Interesting indeed to read how others make use of the Tildes,
thanks for sharing.
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On 2022-02-02, The Free Thinker <freet@aussies.space> wrote:

snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place and what moved
you to choose tilde.pink as host? How do you spend your time on the
server?

Though I'm not on Pink, I'm quite curious about this last question
relating to all Tilde/Pubnix users. So forgive me for hyjacking
the thread, but I for one would be interested to hear from anyone
on this.

I got started in tildes shortly after getting back into pubnix via SDF,
and quickly launched cosmic.voyage and tilde.black (RIP). I love the
community aspect and living in the command line, improving my skills,
learning about new cool stuff, making friends, etc.

On tilde.pink I have a gopher hole where I explicitly explore the use of
color in gopher. My main gopher is over on gopher.black. On tilde.team I
focus on gemini. I like bbj on tilde.town, but don't post as much.
Sometimes I hop on bbj (the tildeverse one, not town), and of course net
news. I like playing with older protocols like talkd and finger too, and
I use some tilde space to practice coding, test my scripts
cross-platform, and share things I make.

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On 2022-02-07, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:

I got started in tildes shortly after getting back into pubnix via SDF,
and quickly launched cosmic.voyage and tilde.black (RIP). I love the
community aspect and living in the command line, improving my skills,
learning about new cool stuff, making friends, etc.

cosmic.voyage is one of the first servers I always recommend checking
out when I try to get people started on gopher (well, more like sharing
my passion for the simpler internet). I think it's a perfect example of
concept behind the whole idea of re-discovering and reimplementing
gopher in the era of the web apps and the locked down social networks.
Usually I browse cosmic.voyage at late night, as I want to relax before
going to bed. It's always fun and gives me positive vibes.

On tilde.pink I have a gopher hole where I explicitly explore the use of
color in gopher. My main gopher is over on gopher.black. On tilde.team I
focus on gemini. I like bbj on tilde.town, but don't post as much.
Sometimes I hop on bbj (the tildeverse one, not town), and of course net
news. I like playing with older protocols like talkd and finger too, and
I use some tilde space to practice coding, test my scripts
cross-platform, and share things I make.

I see you're really enjoying this and it's good that thanks to the
enthusiasm of people like you, more users are actually given the chance
of discovering these protocols. You guys have lowered the entry barrier,
given a purpose and a global organization to the community gravitating
around those obscure and forsaken technologies, turned them into an
attractive form of socialization for new generations too.

I'm interested in hearing more about color on gopher: I didn't even know
that this was a possibility
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On 2022-02-16, snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

On 2022-02-07, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
I'm interested in hearing more about color on gopher: I didn't even know
that this was a possibility

It's very fuzzy stuff... you need to be in a terminal. Your terminal
needs to support ansi color codes. Your client needs to allow those to
pass through to your terminal. Often we marry up color with cool unicode
symbol usage too, so you need to have a client and terminal environment
capable of rendering utf-8. Add it all up and you get some amazing
stuff.

I would recommend grabbing phetch as a client (there are others that do
this too, but I know phetch looks perfect) and checking out cat's gopher
hole:

gopher://baud.baby

It doesn't get much better than that.
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Snowcrash, I made it! (Well, I got there eventually.... thx)

To answer the question, I chose tilde.pink because it runs on NetBSD so it would be more familiar to me and allow me to experiment with it in a sort
of sandboxed environment. But I also chose tilde.pink because it's cooler
than tilde.black.

I mostly spend my time here playing around, but I do intend to start a gopher phlog at some stage, and possible experiment with gemini too. I'm hear to learn and have fun.

On 02/02/22 at 15:58, snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place and what moved
you to choose tilde.pink as host? How do you spend your time on the
server?
- gopher
- gemini
- irc
- news
- learning
- scripting
- programming, compiling and testing
- playing around

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On 2022-02-02, snowcrash <snowcrash@tilde.pink> wrote:

Why did you decide to join tildeverse in the first place and what moved
you to choose tilde.pink as host?

Late last year I decided to revive my love for NetBSD (used it ~ 1.5 to 1.6 before), so pink was the obvious choice for me.
As for the tildeverse at large, I do like rustic atmosphere of using
old-school protocols and pubnixes for socializing. I do have a lot less time and spoons than I'd want to participate, though.

So far the tilde is mostly my identity provider, as I don't really need computing. I have a few articles on gemini, and use mail and news.

It does feel nice to have that multiuser shell feeling, on all my other boxes
I am mostly alone :)

~pickles
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