• New groups?

    From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Sun Apr 26 18:20:12 2020
    I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

    I'm quite excited by the idea of having some usenet bbs, so
    please excuse my over entusiasm :P

    First off, I'm wondering, should we have a 'comp.' convention, as it
    happens in Usenet? Just to allow for a better namespacing...
    If not, please disregard the 'comp.' part in the following
    groups names, that I feel like proposing:

    tilde.comp.projects
    about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
    announcements, maybe release notifications)

    tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
    I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
    The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)

    tilde.new
    announcements about new tildes

    tilde.comp.* ?
    there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
    to get inspieration from?

    Thanks and Bye :)
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  • From jan 6@jan6@tilde.pizza to tilde.meta on Sun Apr 26 23:54:29 2020
    heyo!

    Dacav Doe wrote:
    I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

    at the comp. convention, I think it's unnecessary

    tilde.comp.projects
    about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
    announcements, maybe release notifications)
    tilde.projects already exists

    tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
    I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
    The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)
    I'm not sure this would have that much benefit or use...
    you can always make a non-bot-dominated security channel and try to get
    people in it ;)
    tilde.new
    announcements about new tildes
    that seems like a very limited usecase, but cool nonetheless
    it's not like there's a new tilde every month or something

    tilde.comp.* ?
    there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
    to get inspieration from?
    would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
    local categories inspired from that? probably not...

    Thanks and Bye :)

    great tha you posted and made your thoughts available, this response is
    just my comments about your comments ;P

    --

    ~jan6
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Sun Apr 26 20:58:54 2020
    On 2020-04-26, jan 6 <jan6@tilde.pizza> wrote:
    tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
    I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
    The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)
    I'm not sure this would have that much benefit or use...
    you can always make a non-bot-dominated security channel and try to get people in it ;)

    If you're looking for more chatter on security and privacy, tilde.black
    has local newsgroups dedicated to those topics. You're always welcome to
    join multiple tildes.

    tilde.new
    announcements about new tildes
    that seems like a very limited usecase, but cool nonetheless
    it's not like there's a new tilde every month or something

    That's a good topic to post into this newsgroup, tilde.meta. We have
    some of that history in this group that predates club.


    tilde.comp.* ?
    there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
    to get inspieration from?
    would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
    local categories inspired from that? probably not...

    There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
    usenet (and its spam bots). As for heirarchy, I think that's something
    everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Mon Apr 27 06:26:35 2020
    On 2020-04-26, jan 6 <jan6@tilde.pizza> wrote:
    tilde.comp.projects
    about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
    announcements, maybe release notifications)
    tilde.projects already exists

    Yep, this is a bit embarassing. I've noticed it exists after asking it,
    and it's not there are so many newsgroups that one is passing unnoticed...

    Sorry :P

    tilde.comp.* ?
    there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
    to get inspieration from?
    would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
    local categories inspired from that? probably not...

    Yes, you're probably right, it would be a duplicate.

    great tha you posted and made your thoughts available, this response is
    just my comments about your comments ;P

    My pleasure :)
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Mon Apr 27 06:33:12 2020
    If you're looking for more chatter on security and privacy, tilde.black
    has local newsgroups dedicated to those topics. You're always welcome to
    join multiple tildes.

    Thanks for the suggestion! I will join, probably this evening, or when
    I've got time :)

    I'm currently on two tildes, but I use only tilde.institute systematically
    (in the end I spend most tilde time in IRC, and it's not that I need more
    than one at the same time for that purpose. Technically I would not even
    need to ssh :-P)

    That's a good topic to post into this newsgroup, tilde.meta. We have
    some of that history in this group that predates club.

    I don't see the posts though. The list is short.

    Even on regular Usenet you can see posts disappearing, so I'm guessing
    they do have a grace period, but I never looked into the details.

    Do you have any suggested read on the topic, btw?

    There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
    usenet (and its spam bots).
    As for heirarchy, I think that's something
    everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.

    I could not agree more. Usenet is nice, but nowadays I see only crap,
    and that's annoying. Then about the 'comp.' is a weak suggestion,
    everything will be fine even without :)


    Thanks :)
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Mon Apr 27 14:25:53 2020
    On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

    More proposals:

    tilde.warstories
    Of that time the SYSOP had to rewire the whole network after someone
    accidentally eradicated all cables in the rack.
    Of that time the hero programmer found a really horrible memory
    corruption bug.
    Of that time the noob infected the whole network with ILoveYou

    tilde.rants
    This JAVA ENTERPRISE library is a piece of sh*t.
    Mh, possibly ending up in shitposting...

    tilde.shitposting
    But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?


    Bye :)
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Mon Apr 27 16:23:35 2020
    On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.
    tilde.shitposting
    But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?

    Honestly I think this is what all the groups will turn into. If
    everyone's having fun with it then I'm okay with that.
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Mon Apr 27 19:33:38 2020
    On 2020-04-27, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
    On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.
    tilde.shitposting
    But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?

    Honestly I think this is what all the groups will turn into.

    Aw, come on, such a pessimist! :P
    But in reality there's already enogh shitposting on the net...
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  • From lucitoast@lucitoast@breadpunk.club to tilde.meta on Tue Apr 28 06:13:44 2020
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:
    You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

    This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple tildes and
    not really use all of them, since I would only have time for one.

    Right now I have two accounts since I'm an admin of breadpunk.club and I joined ~town a while ago, and I feel like I am not caring enough about breadpunk and the town. I guess the fact that I have dozens of projects
    in progress on both tildes and other places simultaneously does not help much...
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Tue Apr 28 08:20:30 2020
    On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:
    You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

    This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple tildes and
    not really use all of them, since I would only have time for one.

    Right now I have two accounts since I'm an admin of breadpunk.club and I joined ~town a while ago, and I feel like I am not caring enough about breadpunk and the town. I guess the fact that I have dozens of projects
    in progress on both tildes and other places simultaneously does not help much...

    I can totally share this feeling. I'm on tilde.institute and tilde.club, yet
    I basically never join tilde.club. If anything, services such as IRC or
    NNTP are in common.

    But isn't that the same situation you would have with the so called 'social'?

    Now, I'm not a 'social' (network) guy. In some occasions however I felt I
    was missing out, and I thought that I should expand the borders of my social circle to some online community. Let alone the fact that I
    could never use systematcally something like Redit or Twitter without
    feeling a jack up my rear (I should do everything via TOR maybe), I was immediately astonished by how many of them exist. I could never follow them all,
    of course!

    I've got many old time friends, some are active on this platform, some on that platform, and this is so annoingly fragmented. I lost track of many
    people, as I moved away from my home town. I still hear from a subset of
    my friends that share with me the only social-ish (privacy preserving) platform I use.

    I've got an idea! We can build another tilde where *EVERYONE* should have an account!!!1! -- it's like the XKCD about stadards :P
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Tue Apr 28 04:30:19 2020
    Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> writes:

    On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:
    I've got an idea! We can build another tilde where *EVERYONE* should have an account!!!1! -- it's like the XKCD about stadards :P

    https://xkcd.com/1782
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Tue Apr 28 11:12:01 2020
    On 2020-04-28, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:

    You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

    This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I
    feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple
    tildes and not really use all of them, since I would only have time
    for one.

    I can totally share this feeling. I'm on tilde.institute and
    tilde.club, yet I basically never join tilde.club. If anything,
    services such as IRC or NNTP are in common.

    I definitely wouldn't want to add stress into your life with any of my
    tildes. There's a lot of opinions on this, but I hold that my tildes are
    geared toward specific kinds of activities and welcome people that use
    them in passing.

    Cosmic is about writing. You could linger on it and treat it like a
    general purpose tilde, coding stuff, chatting, and whatnot, but if all
    you ever do is sign in once a year and write a little story, that's
    awesome too.

    Black is intentionally anonymous, which makes community-building a
    little weird. It could be a general purpose tilde, but you're going to
    be using dictionary words as names and it naturally hides away who you
    are in other ways. If you have a secret project or two you want to keep
    from prying eyes, it's good for that, but not inherently social. Even I
    don't log into that one all the time, and I'm the admin. :)

    I guess if you have an account on town and club or team and institute,
    these general tildes are more geared toward the same thing: providing
    you a ~home. Trying to stay active on multiple ones, or keep up multiple websites or gopher holes can be tiring. Some people try to give them
    purposes on their own (e.g., on town I only talk about art, while on
    team I post about programming).

    I doubt there's a "right way" to tilde. Please don't stress over it or
    feel bad. If it helps, you have my permission and invitaiton to be a
    casual, infrequent user of my tildes.
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Thu Apr 30 19:28:44 2020
    I think the group names should be rethought.
    Maybe it still is early enough.

    tilde.black is not about a programming language named black and
    tilde.python not about a tilde node named python.

    This really should be cleaned up.

    E.g.:

    tilde.node.black
    tilde.comp.lang.python
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Thu Apr 30 20:39:01 2020
    On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    tilde.node.black
    tilde.comp.lang.python

    I have to say, it might be a good convention.
    I like the 'node' word (no endorsement to node.js).
    I don't know if we're in time or not, but I think we are: there's (sitll?) not much traffic, nor super relevant threads (imo).
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  • From deepend@deepend@tilde.club to tilde.meta on Thu Apr 30 15:59:18 2020
    On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:
    On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    tilde.node.black
    tilde.comp.lang.python

    I have to say, it might be a good convention.
    I like the 'node' word (no endorsement to node.js).
    I don't know if we're in time or not, but I think we are: there's (sitll?) not
    much traffic, nor super relevant threads (imo).



    I'm interested in the thought of improving the naming convention. As
    long as it isn't increasing the complication of the naming since this is really only a small community and dont know that it needs real
    complicated naming conventions.

    Send a list of how you would see all our current newsgroups and I'm sure
    we would all happily consider some changes for sure

    Thanks
    ~deepend
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Fri May 1 15:56:23 2020
    On 2020-04-30, deepend <deepend@tilde.club> wrote:
    On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:
    On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    I'm interested in the thought of improving the naming convention. As
    long as it isn't increasing the complication of the naming since this is really only a small community and dont know that it needs real
    complicated naming conventions.

    Send a list of how you would see all our current newsgroups and I'm sure
    we would all happily consider some changes for sure

    Also curious to see people's suggestions. the tilde.* grouping was
    intended originally to capture the actual tildes. Like, the servers &
    such. If we moved stuff that's not a tilde out of tilde.* that would be
    cool with me.

    Right now this network is on:
    tilde.club
    tilde.black
    tilde.institute
    cosmic.voyage
    baud.baby
    and sort of on tilde.team (clients aren't working, but it's syncing)

    We're small enough to pivot if there's a mechanism that makes sense. We
    were originally going to syncronize on tilde.* and the other stuff would
    stay local. If that should change and black's privacy, security, and
    anonymity boards should be shared we can do that too. Whatever drives
    adoption.
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  • From fox@fox@tilde.black to tilde.meta on Fri May 1 16:00:14 2020
    On 2020-05-01, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
    On 2020-04-30, deepend <deepend@tilde.club> wrote:
    On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:
    On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    Right now this network is on:
    tilde.club
    tilde.black
    tilde.institute
    cosmic.voyage
    baud.baby
    and sort of on tilde.team (clients aren't working, but it's syncing)

    and tilde.pink
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Fri May 1 16:23:26 2020
    On 2020-05-01, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
    Also curious to see people's suggestions. the tilde.* grouping was
    intended originally to capture the actual tildes. Like, the servers &
    such. If we moved stuff that's not a tilde out of tilde.* that would be
    cool with me.

    I know that the intention is *not* to blend in with regular USENET, but experience tells me that it's wise to avoid global namespaces pollution.
    It systematically proves to be a regrettable choice.

    I support the "tilde.nodes" prefix, for what is worth.

    As an alternative, a good approach could be to keep tilde.* for the nodes (as originally intended) and use an alternative top-level group for anything else.

    e.g

    tildeverse.projects
    tildeverse.hobby
    ...

    Right now this network is on:
    tilde.club
    tilde.black
    tilde.institute
    cosmic.voyage
    baud.baby

    Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

    We're small enough to pivot if there's a mechanism that makes sense. We
    were originally going to syncronize on tilde.* and the other stuff would
    stay local. If that should change and black's privacy, security, and anonymity boards should be shared we can do that too. Whatever drives adoption.
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Fri May 1 21:23:47 2020
    On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

    hit up gopher://baud.baby
    no http on that one
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  • From Wes Fisher@wfisher@dataforge.network to tilde.meta on Sun May 3 15:28:41 2020
    baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
    after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
    the road. But that's another post.

    James Tomasino wrote:
    On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

    Baud baby? I never heard of this :D


    hit up gopher://baud.baby
    no http on that one
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  • From Dacav Doe@dacav@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Mon May 4 11:30:17 2020
    On 2020-05-03, Wes Fisher <wfisher@dataforge.network> wrote:
    baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
    after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
    the road. But that's another post.

    I'm reading some of it, and it is indeed nice to read. I didn't find so far the story you're mentioning, though. Any pointer?
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  • From Ross Nelson@rnelson@tilde.institute to tilde.meta on Sat May 23 09:52:42 2020
    Even as a long-time member (current account was created in 2004) who's
    hardly active (check email and bboard every few days), I've noticed a
    sharp increase in reports of problems and complaints of those problems
    not getting fixed over the last couple of years.

    If nothing else, it will probably help the adoption of the tildes as
    people get fed up with other options. :/

    Wes Fisher wrote on 5/3/2020 17:28:
    baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
    after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
    the road. But that's another post.

    James Tomasino wrote:
    On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

    Baud baby? I never heard of this :D


    hit up gopher://baud.baby no http on that one
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  • From Retrograde@fungus@amongus.com.invalid to tilde.meta on Thu Oct 28 01:49:47 2021
    On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:
    There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
    usenet (and its spam bots).
    As for heirarchy, I think that's something
    everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.

    I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
    regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
    shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
    want to.
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.meta on Fri Oct 29 12:39:04 2021
    On 2021-10-28, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
    regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
    shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
    want to.

    That's it exactly. I love our quiet little new-net and it's really nice
    seeing new folks dropping in from beyond the tilde walls.

    There's been some discussion brewing about federating some of our
    newsgroups outside the tildeverse. We'll see what comes of that!
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  • From freet@freet@aussies.space (The Free Thinker) to tilde.meta on Sat Oct 30 02:41:44 2021
    James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:
    On 2021-10-28, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
    regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
    shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
    want to.

    That's it exactly. I love our quiet little new-net and it's really nice seeing new folks dropping in from beyond the tilde walls.

    There's been some discussion brewing about federating some of our
    newsgroups outside the tildeverse. We'll see what comes of that!

    That might end up as a backdoor to Usenet. For example I noticed a
    newsgroup from SDF's NNTP service pop up on the Usenet server I use
    a while ago. Though it hasn't exactly got drowned in traffic as a
    result :).
    --

    - The Free Thinker | gopher://aussies.space/1/%7efreet/
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