[ Looks like another Obama-era secret is out in the open and Biden gets to explain it away. Get the popcorn; this ought to be good. -- SD ]

From:
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/08/obama-led-ukraine-biolab-efforts

===
EXCLUSIVE: Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build a Ukraine-Based
BioLab Handling 'Especially Dangerous Pathogens'.

Recovered by The National Pulse, the article raises serious questions
about U.S. government activity in Ukraine, stretching back almost two
decades.

by Natalie Winters
March 8, 2022

A deleted web article recovered by The [19]National Pulse reveals that
former President [20]Barack Obama spearheaded an agreement leading to the
construction of biolabs handling "especially dangerous pathogens" in
[21]Ukraine.

The news comes on the same day that [23]Biden regime apparatchik
[24]Victoria Nuland told the U.S. Senate that the American [25]government
is concerned about biological research facilities falling into Russian
hands as a result of the ongoing [26]conflict in Eastern Europe.

Originally [29]posted on June 18th, 2010, the article "Biolab Opens in
Ukraine" details how [30]Obama, while serving as an Illinois Senator,
helped negotiate a deal to build a level-3 bio-safety [31]lab in the
Ukrainian city of Odessa.

The [32]article, which also highlighted the work of former Senator Dick
Lugar, was additionally included in [33]Issue No. 818 of the [34]United
States [35]Air Force (USAF) Counterproliferation Center's Outreach
Journal.

"Lugar said plans for the facility began in 2005 when he and then-Senator
Barack Obama entered a partnership with Ukrainian officials. Lugar and
Obama also helped coordinate efforts between the U.S and Ukrainian
researchers that year in an effort to study and help prevent avian flu,"
explained author Tina Redlup.

USAF Journal.

A [37]2011 [38]report from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences'
Committee on Anticipating Biosecurity Challenges of the Global Expansion
of High-Containment Biological Laboratories explained how the Odessa-based
laboratory "is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous
biological pathogens."

"This laboratory was reconstructed and technically updated up to the BSL-3
level through a cooperative agreement between the United States
[40]Department of Defense and the Ministry of [41]Health of Ukraine that
started in 2005. The collaboration focuses on preventing the spread of
technologies, pathogens, and knowledge that can be used in the development
of biological weapons," the report continues.

"The updated laboratory serves as Interim Central Reference Laboratory
with a depozitarium (pathogen collection). According to Ukrainian
regulations, it has a permit to work with both bacteria and viruses of the
first and second pathogenic groups," explains the report.

A separate [42]document detailing Ukraine's biolab network from the
BioWeapons Prevention Project outlines in greater detail the scope of
pathogens the facility has conducted research with.

Among the viruses the [43]lab studied were Ebola and "viruses of
pathogencity group II by using of virology, molecular, serologica and
express methods."

Additionally, the lab provided "special training for specialists on
biosafety and biosecurity issues during handling of dangerous biological
pathogenic agents."

Biolab's pathogens.

The unearthed biolab facility follows [44]intense scrutiny over the U.S.
government's decision to fund risky, "gain-of-[45]function" research in
[46]Wuhan at a [47]Chinese Communist Party-[48]run lab with [49]military
ties.
===

Links:
19. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/09/forbes-corrects-covid-morality-pill-art icle/

20. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/12/biden-appoints-obama-era-gof-policy-rev iewer/

21. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/27/why-do-american-elites-want-war-in-ukra ine/

23. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/07/08/biden-legal-advisor-argued-for-ccp-styl e-internet-control/

24. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-looks-to -keep-ukrainian-biological-research-facilities-from-russian-control

25. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/13/the-government-is-compiling-a-database- of-people-seeking-religious-exemptions-from-vaccine-mandates/

26. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/26/mccann-america-eurasian-conflict/

29. https://web.archive.org/web/20110522081423/http://www.bioprepwatch.com/news/213 421-biolab-opens-in-ukraine

30. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/03/the-battle-for-tn-5-trump-defends-ortag us-pick-and-suggests-robby-starbuck-voted-for-obama-except-he-didnt/

31. https://www.tradelineinc.com/news/2010-6/interim-central-reference-laboratory-o pens-bsl-3-facility

32. https://web.archive.org/web/20110522081423/http://www.bioprepwatch.com/news/213 421-biolab-opens-in-ukraine

33. https://media.defense.gov/2019/Aug/02/2002165966/-1/-1/0/CPC%20OUTREACH%20818.P DF

34. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/02/nih-advisor-linked-to-ccp-influence-gro up/

35. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/24/americas-military-aircraft-readiness-ha s-tanked-amidst-a-focus-on-woke-politics/

37. https://www.nap.edu/read/13315/chapter/25

38. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK196149/

40. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/01/covid-test-kit-company-praised-for-obey ing-ccp/

41. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/07/watch-doctor-tells-health-minister-scie nce-isnt-strong-enough-to-enforce-mandatory-vaccination/

42. http://www.bwpp.org/

43. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/07/pfizer-professor-lectured-at-wuhan-lab/

44. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/10/27/wuhan-report-boasted-of-human-infecting -covid/

45. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/05/15/wuhan-lab-erases-nih-ties-gof-research/

46. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/12/26/wuhan-lab-hosts-biosafety-conference/

47. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/12/19/watch-ccp-stuns-biden-blasts-u-s-milita ry-war-crimes-in-middle-east/

48. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/05/17/wuhan-lab-scrubs-ccp-awards-ties/

49. https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/06/21/nih-signed-mou-with-chinese-science-org -funding-pla/

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Hello digimaus!

09 Mar 22 19:51, you wrote to all:

[ Looks like another Obama-era secret is out in the open and Biden
gets to explain it away. Get the popcorn; this ought to be good. --
SD ]

Ahh Putin is doing his job well, divide America and he can achieve his goals. The labs that Ukraine have are the same
we have here in Ireland. They are for researching ailments that affect the population. Ukraine has a major difference
to the rest of us, it has Chernobyl, a remamant of Russian disaster

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Hello TheCivvie,

12 Mar 22 16:40, you wrote to digimaus:

Ahh Putin is doing his job well, divide America and he can achieve his goals. The labs that Ukraine have are the same we have here in
Ireland. They are for researching ailments that affect the population. Ukraine has a major difference to the rest of us, it has Chernobyl, a remamant of Russian disaster

America has been divided since Biden "took" office. Biden and the Democrats are trying to blame Putin for the 70+% hike in gas prices and nearly 8% inflation but all of that was happening well before Putin invaded Ukraine. The biolabs are more smoke and mirrors. Every country has them these days.

-- Sean

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America has been divided since Biden "took" office. Biden and the Democrats are trying to blame Putin for the 70+% hike in gas prices and nearly 8% inflation but all of that was happening well before Putin invaded Ukraine.

The sad thing is that some of their supporters are actually buying the
excuse, too.

Mike


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Hello Mike,

13 Mar 22 10:58, you wrote to me:

The sad thing is that some of their supporters are actually buying the excuse, too.

It's pretty sad. The facts are plainly out in the open.

-- Sean

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Hello Sean!

12 Mar 22 15:09, you wrote to me:

Hello TheCivvie,

12 Mar 22 16:40, you wrote to digimaus:

Ahh Putin is doing his job well, divide America and he can
achieve his goals. The labs that Ukraine have are the same we
have here in Ireland. They are for researching ailments that
affect the population. Ukraine has a major difference to the rest
of us, it has Chernobyl, a remamant of Russian disaster

America has been divided since Biden "took" office. Biden and the Democrats are trying to blame Putin for the 70+% hike in gas prices
and nearly 8% inflation but all of that was happening well before
Putin invaded Ukraine. The biolabs are more smoke and mirrors. Every country has them these days.

Sadly America has been divided for a lot longer. And the basic reason is Russia and the Internet. Russia has used the
internet, especially Facebook to divide America

TheCivvie


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America has been divided since Biden "took" office. Biden and the Democrats are trying to blame Putin for the 70+% hike in gas prices
and nearly 8% inflation but all of that was happening well before
Putin invaded Ukraine. The biolabs are more smoke and mirrors. Every country has them these days.

Sadly America has been divided for a lot longer. And the basic reason is Russi
and the Internet. Russia has used the
internet, especially Facebook to divide America

It's been longer than that, too. It predates Facebook.

Mike


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Hello Mike!

13 Mar 22 18:32, you wrote to me:

America has been divided since Biden "took" office. Biden and

the

Democrats are trying to blame Putin for the 70+% hike in gas

prices

and nearly 8% inflation but all of that was happening well

before

Putin invaded Ukraine. The biolabs are more smoke and mirrors.

Every

country has them these days.

Sadly America has been divided for a lot longer. And the basic
reason is Russi and the Internet. Russia has used the internet,
especially Facebook to divide America

It's been longer than that, too. It predates Facebook.

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the data is coming from Russia that is dividing America.

TheCivvie


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Hello TheCivvie,

14 Mar 22 12:28, you wrote to Mike Powell:

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the data
is coming from Russia that is dividing America.

Facebook has little to do with dividing America. It's identity and race politics being pushed by the American left.

Remember, Hitler got his idea for his racial cleansing from the American progressives in the '30s and '40s with their pushing of eugenics and the founder of Planned Parenthood not liking blacks. So I guess Putin thinks if it's okay that American is pushing the idea, he can too by invading soverign (sp) states.

-- Sean

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Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 14 2022 12:28 pm

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the data is com from Russia that is dividing America.

TheCivvie

Civilitations rarely crumble until they have already self-destructed from within.

Barbarians trashed Rome, sure, but Romans helped them by removing competent generals and politicians from power, from fear they would become too popular. Go figure.

Seriously, they killed the guy who beat Attila for purely political reasons.


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To: Sean Dennis
Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: Sean Dennis to TheCivvie on Mon Mar 14 2022 06:23 pm

Facebook has little to do with dividing America. It's identity and race politics being pushed by the American left.

facebook wants to get a piece of the manipulation.

right now black people can say anything to whites. you can't even say
anything remotely close to racist if you are white.

infact a few weeks ago i got a ban for telling a guy he's polish.
he **WAS** polish trying to say he lives in ukraine when he didnt.

also people on different sides of politics had different things they were measured by. anybody could talk shit about trump or post any photo about trump. they could call him hitler. if you used the word hitler in any other way you get an autoban.

fb was up our asses deep with the elections. i'm also getting surveys asking me about the elections now. i dont open them.
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Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: Jas Hud to Sean Dennis on Tue Mar 15 2022 06:31 am

To: Sean Dennis
Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: Sean Dennis to TheCivvie on Mon Mar 14 2022 06:23 pm

Facebook has little to do with dividing America. It's identity and race politic
being pushed by the American left.

facebook wants to get a piece of the manipulation.

right now black people can say anything to whites. you can't even say anything remotely close to racist if you are white.

infact a few weeks ago i got a ban for telling a guy he's polish.
he **WAS** polish trying to say he lives in ukraine when he didnt.

also people on different sides of politics had different things they were measured
anybody could talk shit about trump or post any photo about trump. they could call
him hitler. if you used the word hitler in any other way you get an autoban.

fb was up our asses deep with the elections. i'm also getting surveys asking me abo
the elections now. i dont open them.

My experience is that when a network is hostile to you, it is a matter of time before
you get kicked out. The only things to do when it becomes really hostile are:

1) Get out of there

or

2) Keep there, and troll up to the boundaries set by the platform, knowing they will
be waiting for the slightiest of excuses to crush you for good (and if you don't give
them one, they will invent one eventually)

A surprising number of people around me is opting for 1). Even people who had a professional use for it. I suspect a big part of that is that Social Media is becoming
very ineffective for marketing efforts unless you pour more cash than small companies
are willing to, so people has less of a reason to put up with political correctness.



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Sean Dennis wrote to TheCivvie <=-

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the data
is coming from Russia that is dividing America.

Facebook has little to do with dividing America. It's identity and
race politics being pushed by the American left.

It's funny how all the race politics have tapered down since Russia's cut themselves off from Twitter. A nice little unintended consequence that
affirms what people have been saying since 2015.



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Hello Sean!

14 Mar 22 18:23, you wrote to me:

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the
data is coming from Russia that is dividing America.

Facebook has little to do with dividing America. It's identity and
race politics being pushed by the American left.

Facebook has opened an avenue that wasn't available prior to groups and pages that spread hate and distrust. It is an
annoying place now

Remember, Hitler got his idea for his racial cleansing from the
American progressives in the '30s and '40s with their pushing of
eugenics and the founder of Planned Parenthood not liking blacks. So
I guess Putin thinks if it's okay that American is pushing the idea,
he can too by invading soverign (sp) states.

OH, I realise that and I think Putin is looking west and laughing.

TheCivvie


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Hello Arelor!

15 Mar 22 04:32, you wrote to me:

Since the Internet and Facebook, it has got a lot worse. And the
data is com from Russia that is dividing America.

TheCivvie

Civilitations rarely crumble until they have already self-destructed
from within.

Barbarians trashed Rome, sure, but Romans helped them by removing competent generals and politicians from power, from fear they would
become too popular. Go figure.

Seriously, they killed the guy who beat Attila for purely political reasons.

As an outsider looking in, America to me, is killing itself. The political divide seems to be getting worse instead of
better. There is fake news coming from all sides and modern technology makes it far too easy

TheCivvie


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To: TheCivvie
Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to Arelor on Wed Mar 16 2022 03:53 pm

As an outsider looking in, America to me, is killing itself. The political divide seems to be getting worse instead of
better. There is fake news coming from all sides and modern technology makes it far too easy

isn't that happening all over the world?

there's one difference about america. deep deep deep deep down we still have what made this country great. if we get kicked around and mandated enough, even a worm will turn.
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Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

It's funny how all the race politics have tapered down since Russia's
cut themselves off from Twitter. A nice little unintended consequence
that affirms what people have been saying since 2015.

That might be so on Twitter. In my observations, race, gender, and identity politics are quite alive and well on other social media, especially
Instagram (which is owned by Meta now). It's distasteful to me to see
people flailing about with their "look at me, I'm special!" posts about
those three issues. They have no bearing on me since I see people as people and not for the color of their skin, what set of genitalia they have (or
think they have), or any of that. I just don't care.

I may be old-fashioned in my thinking but I have bigger things to worry
about.

As for Russia, the US has a long and infamous history of intefering in elections, especially in Central and South America. So when I see Americans scream "Russia, Russia, Russia!", I laugh because the US is just as guilty
as Russia with this subject yet most Americans are too stupid to realize it.

IMNSHO, it's all smoke and mirrors designed to keep us Americans on focusing
on what we should be focusing on: ourselves.

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TheCivvie wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Facebook has opened an avenue that wasn't available prior to groups and pages that spread hate and distrust. It is an
annoying place now

Like I said to Kurt, it's not just Facebook. It's all social media now.

OH, I realise that and I think Putin is looking west and laughing.

The entire world is laughing at America with its pants-shitting, word-salad-creating, lost-in-the-woods leader. The current life in America shows that once again, with a Democrat in office, the country goes to shit.

I mean, it's bad when you make Jimmy Carter look good.

I wonder when Biden's going to bring back the "malaise index"?

-- Sean

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Arelor wrote to Jas Hud <=-

A surprising number of people around me is opting for 1). Even people
who had professional use for it. I suspect a big part of that is that Social Media is becoming very ineffective for marketing efforts unless
you pour more cash than small companies are willing to, so people has
less of a reason to put up with political correctness.

I think social media like Facebook has run its course. The current
generation have an attention span of a goldfish and know nothing else but instant gratification which is why platforms like Twitter are so popular.

I have been hit with the banhammer a few times on Facebook and am now shadowbanned but I don't care. I have a Twitter account but mainly use it
for the BBS (@BBSOutpost is my BBS' Twitter account; my personal one is @digimaus).

I'd much rather use a BBS or amateur radio. Generally an overall better
class of people to interact with.

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TheCivvie wrote to Arelor <=-

As an outsider looking in, America to me, is killing itself. The
political divide seems to be getting worse instead of
better. There is fake news coming from all sides and modern technology makes it far too easy

It has been for the past 50 years or so. Things will reach a breaking point soon and the situation will correct itself.

-- Sean

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To: digimaus
Re: Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: digimaus to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 16 2022 01:14 pm

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

It's funny how all the race politics have tapered down since Russia's cut themselves off from Twitter. A nice little unintended consequence that affirms what people have been saying since 2015.

That might be so on Twitter. In my observations, race, gender, and identity politics are quite alive and well on other social media, especially Instagram (which is owned by Meta now). It's distasteful to me to see people flailing about with their "look at me, I'm special!" posts about

i havent seen any decrease in the race politics or hate. if anything i've seen an INCREASE.

what poindexter says here is something all democrats are saying. they are saying russian bots are the conservatives on social media.

seriously, russia doenst have to do anything to fuck us up. we are doing a great job of doing it ourselves.
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To: digimaus
Re: Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: digimaus to Arelor on Wed Mar 16 2022 01:37 pm

instant gratification which is why platforms like Twitter are so popular.

I have been hit with the banhammer a few times on Facebook and am now shadowbanned but I don't care. I have a Twitter account but mainly use it for the BBS (@BBSOutpost is my BBS' Twitter account; my personal one is @digimaus).

I'd much rather use a BBS or amateur radio. Generally an overall better class of people to interact with.

i'd rather use telegram to talk to my friends and look at the meme groups. unfortunately telegram does takedowns on some groups.
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Hello Jas!

16 Mar 22 12:17, you wrote to me:

To: TheCivvie
Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to Arelor on Wed Mar 16 2022 03:53 pm

As an outsider looking in, America to me, is killing itself. The
political divide seems to be getting worse instead of better. There
is fake news coming from all sides and modern technology makes it
far too easy

isn't that happening all over the world?

there's one difference about america. deep deep deep deep down we
still have what made this country great. if we get kicked around and mandated enough, even a worm will turn.

It is happening to a lesser degree around the world. States like Russia have almost minimal internal fighting.
Americans may all want the country to be great, but beither side seems willing to work with the other.

TheCivvie


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Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to Jas Hud on Thu Mar 17 2022 03:27 pm

isn't that happening all over the world?

there's one difference about america. deep deep deep deep down we still have what made this country great. if we get kicked around and mandated enough, even a worm will turn.

It is happening to a lesser degree around the world. States like Russia have almost minimal internal fighting.
Americans may all want the country to be great, but beither side seems willi to work with the other.

TheCivvie

Well, there was not much fighting in Fascist Spain because Franco ensured disidents were dead or in prison soon after taking power, so it was hard to come out and complain :-)

From an anthropological point of view, half of America are the heirs of so called "Shame Cultures". Think of really ancient Athens (ie. 4th Century B.C.) where the sense of honor and independence in the citizens was pretty much sacred. All the 2nd Amendment movement can be traced back to these cultures which considered that a free citizen had certain rights by definition, and if the government denied such right, he was not a citizen, but a slave. Being a slave was a shameful thing so they did their best to keep their rights and honor.

America is the last Western country openly using this as a political point, and is starting to operate as a "Guilt Culture", with concerns regarding personal rights still present, but fading away. Western Europe is a complete Guilt Culture so we will bend over and take it in the ass if we think we can benefit from it, because we don't have a strong notion of shame or honor. This is why we openly throw our rights into the furnace if we think we can obtain something in return.

You need to look into Asia for other Shame Cultures nowadays, I think.

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To: TheCivvie
Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to Jas Hud on Thu Mar 17 2022 03:27 pm

still have what made this country great. if we get kicked around and mandated enough, even a worm will turn.

It is happening to a lesser degree around the world. States like Russia have almost minimal internal fighting.
Americans may all want the country to be great, but beither side seems willing to work with the other.

that's just human nature. we want to kill the other guy.
we are at war in most ways of interaction.
our big brains just adjust our primitive instincts.
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Hello digimaus!

16 Mar 22 13:17, you wrote to me:

Facebook has opened an avenue that wasn't available prior to
groups and pages that spread hate and distrust. It is an annoying
place now

Like I said to Kurt, it's not just Facebook. It's all social media
now.

Facebook saldy is the biggest and most used of al of the social media

OH, I realise that and I think Putin is looking west and
laughing.

The entire world is laughing at America with its pants-shitting, word-salad-creating, lost-in-the-woods leader. The current life in America shows that once again, with a Democrat in office, the country
goes to shit.

That is a perception that I don't see much here. Yes he is frail, but people look up to him.

I mean, it's bad when you make Jimmy Carter look good.

I wonder when Biden's going to bring back the "malaise index"?

I would be in it :)

TheCivvie


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Hello digimaus!

16 Mar 22 13:38, you wrote to me:

TheCivvie wrote to Arelor <=-

As an outsider looking in, America to me, is killing itself. The
political divide seems to be getting worse instead of
better. There is fake news coming from all sides and modern
technology makes it far too easy

It has been for the past 50 years or so. Things will reach a breaking point soon and the situation will correct itself.

I hope so as I find it sad to see such a great country break itself

TheCivvie


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Hello Jas!

17 Mar 22 13:19, you wrote to me:

still have what made this country great. if we get kicked

around and

mandated enough, even a worm will turn.

It is happening to a lesser degree around the world. States like
Russia have almost minimal internal fighting. Americans may all
want the country to be great, but beither side seems willing to
work with the other.

that's just human nature. we want to kill the other guy.
we are at war in most ways of interaction.
our big brains just adjust our primitive instincts.

Yep the man provider :)

TheCivvie


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Re: Biolabs in Ukraine
By: TheCivvie to digimaus on Thu Mar 24 2022 11:02 pm

The entire world is laughing at America with its pants-shitting, word-salad-creating, lost-in-the-woods leader. The current life in America shows that once again, with a Democrat in office, the country goes to shit.

That is a perception that I don't see much here. Yes he is frail, but people look up to him.

You know, during the Bush Jr. era, I would have sworn Spanish conservatives would have sucked his dick if given the chance.

Then we got Obama, and I think Spanish socialist would have not only sucked his dick, but also taken it up their ass.

Trump was pretty much watched with either horror or awe, depending on which side of the political spectrum you were.

However, as far as Spain goes, Biden is a non-entity. Nobody hates him or loves him with the same passion reserved for the others. Président Pedro Sánchez spent a lot of money trying to arrange photo ops so he could be seen alongside Biden, but I think he is the only one who cares.


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Hello Arelor!

25 Mar 22 20:41, you wrote to TheCivvie:

The entire world is laughing at America with its

pants-shitting,

word-salad-creating, lost-in-the-woods leader. The current

life in

America shows that once again, with a Democrat in office, the

country

goes to shit.

That is a perception that I don't see much here. Yes he is frail,
but people look up to him.

You know, during the Bush Jr. era, I would have sworn Spanish conservatives would have sucked his dick if given the chance.

I think Bush was seen as a god by many countries. Why, I will never understand

Then we got Obama, and I think Spanish socialist would have not only sucked his dick, but also taken it up their ass.

LOL

Trump was pretty much watched with either horror or awe, depending on which side of the political spectrum you were.

Yeah the world seemed to have a glitch then, not only in the US, the UK also had the same with Johnson.

However, as far as Spain goes, Biden is a non-entity. Nobody hates him
or loves him with the same passion reserved for the others. Président Pedro Sánchez spent a lot of money trying to arrange photo ops so he could be seen alongside Biden, but I think he is the only one who
cares.

I don't know what to make of him. He looks frail when leaving AF1, but he seems to have a sharp minbd. Yeah he makes mistakes and I wonder whether his comment to the US troops about seeing Ukrainian soldiers was a slip of something to come

Sean


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