• Vaccine

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/10 to All on Thu Apr 15 19:40:02 2021
    From:
    https://tinyurl.com/2ms242sz (theepochtimes.com)

    5,800 Fully Vaccinated Americans Have Contracted COVID-19, 74 Dead:
    CDC
    BY ZACHARY STIEBER April 15, 2021 Updated: April 15, 2021

    Some 5,800 Americans contracted COVID-19 despite being fully
    vaccinated against the virus that causes it, federal officials said Thursday.

    The Americans got the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, which
    causes COVID-19, despite getting two shots of the Pfizer or Moderna
    vaccines, or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times via
    email.

    Of the 5,800 fully vaccinated people who were confirmed as so-called breakthrough cases, nearly 400 required treatment at hospitals and 74
    died.

    A little over 40 percent of the infections were in people 60 years of
    age or older and 65 percent were female. The CDC declined to make a state-by-state breakdown available, though it has developed a national
    database where state health department investigators can enter, store,
    and manage data for cases in their jurisdiction.

    The figures were for cases through April 13.

    More than 78 million people have been fully vaccinated in the United
    States as of April 15.

    To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case
    demographics or vaccine characteristics, the CDC said.

    COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the
    pandemic under control. All of the available vaccines have been proven effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalizations, and deaths.
    However, like is seen with other vaccines, we expect thousands of
    vaccine breakthrough cases will occur even though the vaccine is
    working as expected.

    CDC Director Rochelle Walensky told a congressional hearing on
    Thursday that the causes of the breakthrough cases are being probed.

    Some of these breakthroughs are, of course, failure of an immune
    response in the host, and then some of them we worry might be related
    to a variant that is circulating, so were looking at both, she said.

    The number of cases the CDC has identified does not include people who contracted COVID-19 less than two weeks after their final dose,
    according to Walensky.

    States last month began reporting numbers for people who had gotten
    infected despite full vaccination. Epidemiologists in Washington state identified 217 of the cases, five of whom died. In Michigan, 246 of
    the cases were recorded between Jan. 1 and March 31. Three of those
    patients perished.

    Texas, South Carolina, and Oregon are among the other states that have
    reported over 100 cases among residents.

    Finding evidence of vaccine breakthrough cases reminds us that, even
    if you have been vaccinated, you still need to wear a mask, practice
    social distancing, and wash your hands to prevent spreading COVID-19
    to others who have not been vaccinated, Washington states Health
    Secretary, Umair Shah, said in a statement. We encourage everyone to
    get vaccinated as soon as they are eligible, and encourage friends,
    loved ones, and co-workers to do the same.

    According to U.S. drug regulators, Pfizers vaccine is 95 percent
    effective in preventing infection of the CCP virus. Modernas was shown
    in a clinical trial to be 94.1 percent effective, while Johnson &
    Johnsons was 66.9 percent effective. The third jab was tested when
    variants were circulating, unlike the others.

    The percentages are for two weeks after the final vaccination.

    The percentage of vaccine breakthroughs in a population depends on
    multiple factors, including vaccine efficacy, the amount of virus
    circulating, and the length of time since vaccination, according to
    Natalie Dean, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the
    University of Florida.

    I love to see small numbers as much as anyone, but know that numbers
    like this cannot be directly interpreted as a measure of vaccine
    efficacy (although I have a feeling they will be). We can only
    interpret them against a background rate in unvaccinated people, Dean
    wrote on Twitter.

    Similarly, most breakthroughs have been in elderly adults should not
    be read as the vaccine is less effective in elderly adults. The
    majority of vaccinations (and the longest amount of follow-up time)
    have been in elderly adults. Again, we need more info to interpret.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime head of the National Institute of
    Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a briefing last week that the breakthrough cases are not a cause for concern.

    I think the important thing is to look at what the denominator of
    vaccinated people is, because it is very likelyand what were hearing
    at least indirectly, and were certainly going to be confirming
    thatthat that number of individuals who were breakthrough infections
    is not at all incompatible with a 90-plus percent vaccine efficacy, he
    said.

    So, I dont think that there needs to be concern about any shift or
    change in the efficacy of the vaccine.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Sean Dennis on Thu Apr 15 21:05:00 2021
    Hello Sean Dennis!

    ** On Thursday 15.04.21 - 19:40, Sean Dennis wrote to All:

    The percentage of vaccine breakthroughs in a population
    depends on multiple factors, including vaccine efficacy,..

    I love to see small numbers as much as anyone, but know
    that numbers like this cannot be directly interpreted as a
    measure of vaccine efficacy...

    Similarly, most breakthroughs have been in elderly adults
    should not be read as the vaccine is less effective...

    ...that number of individuals who were breakthrough
    infections is not at all incompatible with a 90-plus
    percent vaccine efficacy, he said.

    So, I dont think that there needs to be concern about any
    shift or change in the efficacy of the vaccine.


    It is disgusting the way they spin things.

    The media seems to be so proud to use the term "efficacy of XX%"
    as if to convince the public that is the same thing as the XX%
    probabilty of being safe.

    But I found this:

    "Efficacy is the degree to which a vaccine prevents disease, and
    possibly also transmission, under ideal and controlled
    circumstances - comparing a vaccinated group with a placebo
    group.

    "Effectiveness meanwhile refers to how well it performs in the
    real world

    The media just uses the first term - which is supposed to be
    limited to "ideal and controlled" circumstances.

    :(


    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime head of the National
    Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a
    briefing last week that the breakthrough cases are not a
    cause for concern.

    Of course he would say that. His financial invenstments depend
    on the continued rollouts of the vaxx.


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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 16 03:16:39 2021
    Re: Vaccine
    By: August Abolins to Sean Dennis on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:05 pm

    Of course he would say that. His financial invenstments depend
    on the continued rollouts of the vaxx.


    Nothing new under the sun.

    Vaccines have their own ineffectivity rates, that is only normal. However, I suspect everybody will start twistting these stats for personal gain :-( The real deal is comparing the spread of the disease btween vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.

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  • From August Abolins@618:510/1.1 to Arelor on Fri Apr 16 08:45:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 16.04.21 - 03:16, you wrote to me:

    Vaccines have their own ineffectivity rates, that is only
    normal. However, I suspect everybody will start twistting
    these stats for personal gain :-( The real deal is comparing
    the spread of the disease btween vaccinated and unvaccinated
    groups.

    I think they've already started doing that. Apparently, the
    numbers of "cases" (based on per capita) has increased compared
    to the same time last year. Occupancy of hospital ICUs are at
    an all-time high, ..but this is *after* milions of people have
    been vaxx'd. But, they are blaming the spread on the VOC
    (variants of concern), not the vaxx.
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