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California bans plastic bags in supermarkets, which could increase the spread of
disease

By Hans Bader
September 22, 2024

A law signed today by California Governor Gavin Newsom bans all plastic
shopping bags. California had already banned thin plastic shopping bags
at supermarkets and other stores, but shoppers could still buy bags made
with a thicker plastic that supposedly made them reusable and recyclable.
The legislation, approved by state legislators last month, bans all
plastic shopping bags in California starting in 2026. The Washington
Times reports that "12 states already have some type of statewide plastic
bag ban in place...Hundreds of cities across 28 states also have their
own plastic bag bans in place."

Advocates of plastic bag bans would like people to use cloth bags instead
of plastic bags, even though cloth bags are more likely to spread disease.
During the Covid-19 pandemic, some cities and states banned cloth bags and
other reusable shopping bags, to curb the spread of the disease,
"requiring that stores use disposable plastic or paper bags instead."

Reusable bags "are a breeding ground for bacteria and pose public health
risks - food poisoning, skin infections such as bacterial boils, allergic
reactions, triggering of asthma attacks, and ear infections," noted a 2009
report. Harmful bacteria like E. coli, salmonella, and fecal coliform
thrive in reusable bags unless they are washed after each use, according
to an August 2011 peer-reviewed study, "Assessment of the Potential for
Cross-contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags."

Cloth bags are worse for public health and the environment. As Daniel
Frank sarcastically notes, "Reusable tote bags" can "cause food poisoning
but at least they're worse for the environment than plastic bags." He
cites Jon Passantino of BuzzFeed News, who observes, "Those cotton tote
bags that are so trendy right now have to be used *131 times* before it
has a smaller climate impact than a plastic bag used only once." Yet,
there are progressives who want to ban plastic grocery bags in favor of
reusable cloth bags.

California's ban on plastic bags will do little for the ocean. Plastic
bags are less than 1% of all litter. Most plastic in the ocean comes from
China, India, and Indonesia, while only a tiny percentage comes from the
U.S.

The lack of benefit from cloth bags is illustrated by a 2011 legal
settlement between plastic bag makers and an importer of reusable bags,
ChicoBag. The plastic bag makers sued ChicoBag for its use of false claims
about the recycling rate and environmental impacts of plastic grocery bags
in its promotional materials. (Those false claims are also the basis for
municipal bans and taxes on plastic bags.) Under that settlement, ChicoBag
was required to discontinue its use of its counterfeit EPA website and
make corrections to its deceptive marketing claims, which had included
sharing falsified government documents with schoolchildren. It was also
required to disclose to consumers on its website that reusable bags in
fact need to be washed.
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Reusable bags "are a breeding ground for bacteria and pose public health
risks - food poisoning, skin infections such as bacterial boils, allergic
reactions, triggering of asthma attacks, and ear infections," noted a 2009
report. Harmful bacteria like E. coli, salmonella, and fecal coliform
thrive in reusable bags unless they are washed after each use, according
to an August 2011 peer-reviewed study, "Assessment of the Potential for
Cross-contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags."

There are some things... dry goods like a box of cereal... I would not mind using cloth bags to carry. There are others... things that sweat or have juices that can leak... that I would never want to put in a cloth bag, even
if I wash the bags weekly.

I think this explains a good reason why I should not be alone in this
thinking.

Mike


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I think this explains a good reason why I should not be alone in this thinking.

I agree.

-- Sean



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Hello Mike Powell!

There are some things... dry goods like a box of cereal...
I would not mind using cloth bags to carry. There are
others... things that sweat or have juices that can
leak... that I would never want to put in a cloth bag,
even if I wash the bags weekly.

As a retailer, I am finding that more and more people are
getting accustomed to bringing their own bags, whether it is
the tougher shopping bag plastic of days gone yore or the
reusable fabric/poly ones.

Nothing stopping you from using a plastic bag as a liner in a
cloth bag if you want to.


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Hello August!

12 Oct 24 08:46, you wrote to Mike Powell:

As a retailer, I am finding that more and more people are
getting accustomed to bringing their own bags, whether it is
the tougher shopping bag plastic of days gone yore or the
reusable fabric/poly ones.

It's because we are brainwashed now. :) We know we can't get
any bags anywhere we go... Even the farmer's market is no longer
giving bags.

The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

All a big scam by the tree hugger's who don't see the real picture.

Shawn

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The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

Yeah, I wondered why people called the store plastic bags single use? Some
do get holes in them and cannot be used again, but the others go in my small garbage cans.

The ones that do get holes, or that are excess, go back to the store in their plastic bag recycle bins. I am not certain what they actually do with them after that, though.

Mike

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Nothing stopping you from using a plastic bag as a liner in a
cloth bag if you want to.

You know that's not realistic for people to do (just use the plastic ban itself) and you sell books, not raw meat, so I doubt you'd have to deal with
a listeria outrbreak. <G> I have a LOT of plastic ALDI shoppong bags but I spray them down with food-safe sanitizer after use due to my being badly immunocompromised. Usually, I will double bag any raw meat I buy anyway;
I've been doing that long before everyone caught the crazy.

-- Sean



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The cloth ones need to be thrown out after a few uses... it's really
no better as we have more bags then we ever have before, can't use
them for a secondary use like garbage bags, so what do we do? Pay
for single use garbage bags, where I used to get 2 uses from plastic
bags, one to bring food home, and the second as grabage bag.

I use all plastic shopping bags anyway...in a new, prettier tree-hugger friendly form. After having lived in Oregon, I have had several lifetimes
of experience with tree-huggers.

All a big scam by the tree hugger's who don't see the real picture.

They are very short-sighted.

-- Sean



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Yeah, I wondered why people called the store plastic bags single use?

The ALDI bags (the ones you buy that are big and thick, not the cheap
flimsy ones) arfe nice. I do clean them out after use with a food-safe sanitizer or Zep All-Purpose Cleaner (you have to wipe off both chemicals
off of the surface as they're slightly corrosive) and they're good as new.

The ALDI freezer bags get lightly scrubbed as milk and raw meat gets put in them but they're relatively thick.

-- SDean



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Re: California bans plastic b
By: Shawn Highfield to August Abolins on Sat Oct 12 2024 09:42 am

It's because we are brainwashed now. :) We know we can't get
any bags anywhere we go... Even the farmer's market is no longer
giving bags.

Actually, here in Spain they banned giving bags away for free, with used to be the norm. In the old days, when you purchased something, you could ask for a bag and they would give you one at no cost.

The practice was banned and bags were forced to come with a price tag. That an an increase of price from bag manufacturers due to inflation made retailers start happily overcharging for bags. I used to keep giving the bags away for free because I think it is kind of stupid to ask for 10 extra cents after somebody places an order worth 80 bucks, but then I realized something:

My customers are the people who voted this crap into a rule.

That is right, the population placed this rule in place, so fuck them and let them pay the bags in full. Now people only gets a free bag from me if they place an outrageous order.

I think less than half the customers come with their own bags.


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Hi Sean,
On <Sun, 12 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

I use all plastic shopping bags anyway...in a new, prettier
tree-hugger friendly form. After having lived in Oregon, I have had several lifetimes of experience with tree-huggers.

I think Andrea has a couple of the plastic ones, but most of the bags
are cloth here. Or some weird form of plastic. Heck order your walmart
curb pickup. They put one item in each bag, could just use them as
garbage bags. All a big waste of time.

Shawn

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