From: https://tinyurl.com/yjaf6h2f (theepochtimes.com)

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The Strange Sinovac Vaccine Phenomenon, Countries Report Increased
Cases After Using Vaccine

BY EVA ZHAO

April 3, 2021

The Hong Kong government recently rolled out a large-scale vaccination
plan against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, commonly known
as COVID-19, but its been mired by frequent reports of serious adverse reactions. In just one month, 13 people died in Hong Kong after being inoculated, 11 of whom had been injected with the Sinovac vaccine, a
Chinese domestically made vaccine.

The CCP has not reported a single case of serious side effects or
death after it announced the administering of 100 million doses of the
Sinovac vaccine in China on March 28.

But there are four strange phenomena of the Chinese Sinovac vaccine,
analyzed as follows.


No Deaths Reported in China

The first reported death after vaccination in Hong Kong occurred on
Feb. 28. On March 28, within just one short month, 13 people in Hong
Kong, aged 55 to 80, died after receiving the vaccination. Eleven of
them were given the Sinovac shots, while the other two had received
BioNTech.

In addition, an elderly woman in her eighties died at home the day
after taking the Sinovac vaccine on March 20, but the Hong Kong
Department of Health did not report it nor publicize the incident. The Department of Health responded in the early hours of March 31 that
there was no direct causal relationship between her death and
vaccination, thus not fulfilling the reporting criteria of AEFIs
(Adverse Events Following Immunization).

In an interview with The Epoch Times, Yuen Hoi Man, deputy spokesman
for the medical policy of the Democratic Party of Hong Kong,
criticized the government for depriving the public of the right to
know by not releasing the information, which also affects public
confidence in vaccines. He said that even if there is no direct
relationship, the government should be truthful when an indirect
relationship cannot be ruled out.

Dr. Cheung Wai Lit, a Chinese medicine doctor, in an interview with
The Epoch Times, also said that he suspected that there were other
cases of death after receiving the Chinese vaccine, but there is no
way for outsiders to confirm it.

In response to the death of 13 people in Hong Kong after receiving the
vaccine, authorities responded on March 30, saying that current data
show that most of the cases died of cardiovascular disease and none of
the individual cases were directly related to the vaccination.

However, Law Cheuk You, staff and vice-chairman of Hong Kong Hospital Authority, said in an interview with The Epoch Times, that generally
speaking, the possibility of some indirect side effects is not to be
completely ruled out, Law said, in fact, many drugs have [side
effects].

Law said that there are cases of death after COVID-19 vaccination in
other countries. But even in cases that may not have a direct
relationship, the authorities will still give data. With the data, it
gives others the option to choose the appropriate measures.

On March 30, Germany announced that as of March 29, more than 2.7
million people had received the AstraZeneca vaccine and that 31 people developed blood clots, with 9 deaths. The German government,
therefore, decided to suspend the vaccine for people under the age of
60.

On March 29, Canada also announced that it is suspending the use of
the AstraZeneca vaccine for people under the age of 55 following the
reports of rare blood clots, although there are no relevant cases in
the country for the time being.

The Hong Kong government, however, although it recently suspended the
use of BioNTech shots due to packaging defects, has yet to call off
the use of the Sinovac vaccine, after 11 deaths out of a total of
about 450,000 people vaccinated in a month. This has caused public
concern.

Law said that theres insufficient statistical data on the use of the
Sinovac vaccine for people over 60 years old and that its Phase III
clinical data has not been published in peer-reviewed medical
journals. Even so, the Hong Kong government still asks the elderly to
receive the vaccine. He called on the public to only receive vaccines
that have sufficient clinical data.

Yuen Hoi Man also suggested suspending the use of the Sinovac vaccine
for people over 60 and those with chronic illnesses.

It is worth noting that the CCPs National Health Commission announced
on March 28 that more than 100 million doses of its domestic vaccines
had been administered in China, but it did not report any deaths or
serious side effects. At the same time, however, any comments about
the adverse effects of the vaccines are quickly deleted from Chinas
internet.


Outbreak Intensifies in Countries Using Sinovac Vaccines

The United Kingdom was the first country to start COVID-19
vaccinations, approving the use of the BioNTech vaccine in December
before introducing the AstraZeneca vaccine in January this year. Their
outbreak gradually eased after Jan. 9. The UK recorded 4,715 cases on
March 27, down significantly from 6,187 cases the day before. In the
United States and Israel, where the BioNTech vaccine was also chosen
as the main vaccine, the epidemic also slowed down significantly after vaccination.

However, the number of confirmed cases in Chile, Turkey, and Pakistan,
which chose to receive the Chinese Sinovac vaccine, has increased.

Chile administered nearly 9 million doses of the Sinovac vaccines in
February, with an average of 47 doses per 100 people, making it the
country with the highest vaccination rate in South America. However,
the number of positive test results recorded in Chile rose instead of
fell, and a new high of 7,626 cases was recorded in a single day on
March 26, leading to a tight supply of hospital beds and a recent
lockdown of the capital city of Santiago.

Turkey started to administer Sinovac vaccines in mid-January and at
least eight million people have been injected with the vaccine,
accounting for more than 10 percent of the population. But their case
numbers also rebounded in late February, with 37,303 new cases
recorded on March 30, the highest single-day figure since the outbreak
on March 11 last year. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on
April 2 that there would be a curfew during the weekends throughout
the month of Ramadan.

In addition, Pakistan, which has been using the Chinese vaccine since
early February, is now experiencing a third wave of the pandemic, with
the national positivity ratio rising to 11 percent, the highest level
since the outbreak. More than 20 cities have been closed due to the
severity of the outbreak.

Pakistani President Arif Alvi wrote on March 29 that he tested
positive after receiving the first dose of a vaccine produced by the
Chinese National Pharmaceutical Group Corp on March 15. Prior to that, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan also tested positive for the virus
on March 18, two days after receiving his first dose of the vaccine manufactured by the same Chinese company.

Lin Xiaoxu, a former virology researcher at the Walter Reed Army
Institute of Research, said that the CCP claimed in February that 20
million people in mainland China had received the vaccine, but it has
not released any real analysis of the effectiveness rate. For
countries that inject the vaccine produced by Chinas Sinovac Biotech
or National Pharmaceutical Group Corp, they should first ask China to
provide such data on how much protection the Chinese have after
receiving the vaccine, Lin said.


Adverse Reaction Rate Similar to Placebo

At present, the Sinovac vaccine has only released clinical study data
for Phase I and Phase II, and the relevant data show that the rate of
adverse reactions is only about 20 percent, a lower figure than other
vaccines. Dr. Dong Yuhong, a European virologist and chief scientific
officer in a Swiss Biotech company, said that, from an academic point
of view, there are two questionable points about the Sinovac data.

First, in various other COVID-19 vaccines, the ratio of side effects
in the vaccination group is usually significantly higher than that in
the placebo group. But the ratio of side effects post-vaccination of
Sinovac was similar to that of the placebo injection. Some side
effects were even lower in the vaccination group than in the placebo
group.

Second, generally speaking, the more the injected doses, the more side
effects there are. This phenomenon can be seen in clinical studies of
other vaccines and is called dose correlation. However, from the
results of the Sinovac vaccine study, there seems to be no such
pattern. Side effects in some low-dose groups are higher than those of higher-dose groups.

Dr. Dong said that scientists have been expecting the Phase III
clinical data of Sinovac, but unfortunately, they have yet to see its publication, and the number of subjects enrolled in its Phase I-II
clinical study is relatively small, so it is difficult to evaluate the
adverse events of the Sinovac vaccine.

Although the CCP released data on the side effects of the Sinovac
vaccine in clinical trials that is similar to those of the placebo
group, on Jan. 6, state-run CCP media Xinhua reported that pregnant
and nursing women are not allowed to receive the domestically made
vaccine. It even recommends women postpone their pregnancy for three
months after receiving the vaccine.

A resident in mainland China also received a notice from his local
community, saying that pregnancy should be postponed to six months
after receiving the vaccine, implying that the Chinese vaccine may
have serious side effects on fertility.

Dr. Cheung Wai Lit said that in the process of rolling up vaccination
on a large scale in China, the CCP kept issuing new guidelines and
principles.

Those who administer vaccines now are actually crossing a river by
feeling for stones, using human bodies for clinical tests, Dr. Cheung said.


Politicized Mandatory Vaccination

Since the Chinese vaccine data lacks transparency, people are
concerned about the safety of the vaccines. There were news reports of
low acceptance of the vaccines in Shanghai and other first-tier
cities. As of March 27, the vaccination rate in China was only 7
percent.

Recently, The Epoch Times obtained a document showing that, in order
to speed up the vaccination rate, the CCP politicized the vaccine and
forced people to vaccinate.

This internal document comes from a large private enterprise,
Chongqing Sokon Industry Group. It was titled, Notice on Strengthening
Epidemic Prevention and Control. The notice stated: All units must
stand at the height of political considerations, follow the principle
of everyone must take it with strict implementation, and hold
responsibility. The Group will pursue any unit and individual that
fails to advance the new COVID vaccination work for accountability.

Outside of large enterprises, the scope of compulsory vaccination with Chinese-made vaccines has begun to expand. Mr. Liu, a vegetable
merchant at Honggang Market in Sanya City, Hainan, told The Epoch
Times that proof of vaccination is now required to enter the market.
The entire Sanya is now subject to vaccinations, it is mandatory.

Mr. Wu, a mainland Chinese human rights lawyer, revealed in an
interview with The Epoch Times reporter cited previous vaccine
problems in China and said: The (Chinese vaccine) safety, quality, and effectiveness are very low. In the past, there were children who
become disabled and mentally retarded after vaccination. [To develop
the vaccines] in such a short time, they knew the quality was not
good, but still forced over a billion Chinese people to accept it. It
is too scary. It is really treating people's lives as a joke.

Earlier, former head of the National Institute of Health of Peru,
Ernesto Bustamante, said in a local TV program that Sinopharms Wuhan
strain vaccine had only 33 percent effectiveness, while the Beijing
strain vaccine had 11.5 percent. Sinovac was also reported to be only
50.4 percent effective according to Brazil's data. The frequent
outbreaks of defective vaccines and fake vaccines in China over the
years are even more common and shocking.

In 2018, Changsheng Biotechnology sold over 250,000 substandard doses
of the DTap vaccine (a combination vaccine for young children to
develop immunity against diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus). In 2013,
there were many cases of infant deaths caused by a hepatitis B vaccine injection in southern China. In 2007, the Shanxi vaccine incident
caused nearly 100 children to be seriously disabled or killed. An in
2005, an abnormal hepatitis A vaccine incident in Anhui resulted in 1
death and 215 adverse reactions.
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Hello Sean Dennis!

** On Saturday 03.04.21 - 19:39, Sean Dennis wrote to All:

From: https://tinyurl.com/yjaf6h2f (theepochtimes.com)

===
The Strange Sinovac Vaccine Phenomenon, Countries Report Increased
Cases After Using Vaccine

BY EVA ZHAO

April 3, 2021

[snip]

No Deaths Reported in China
Outbreak Intensifies in Countries Using Sinovac Vaccines
Adverse Reaction Rate Similar to Placebo
Politicized Mandatory Vaccination

In otherwords.. are you anxious and eager to get yours? ;)


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August Abolins wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

In otherwords.. are you anxious and eager to get yours? ;)

No as I don't need one. My body has been producing antibodies to
SARS-CoV-2 since I caught it last October. No one is sure why my body
is still doing that but I do not need anything else. I have been
asked to donate plasma for research but I cannot since I am
insulin-dependent.

I posted that article because China's definitely using this as an
excuse for population control. No surprise there.

-- Sean

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Hello Sean!

In otherwords.. are you anxious and eager to get yours?
;)

No as I don't need one. My body has been producing
antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 since I caught it last October.
No one is sure why my body is still doing that but I do not
need anything else. I have been asked to donate plasma for
research but I cannot since I am insulin-dependent.

That is good going! But.. apparently we are vulnerable to the
"variants of concern". :(

I developed a nasty flu around Oct 2019. The first signs of
something amiss was on a Thurs, but it was rather mild and
innocuous. Friday morn was ok, but I felt definite signs of flu
(chills and onset of fever). Saturday.. I managed to stave off
the symptoms with my own concoction of drugs during the day. But
in the evening it was the worst. Temp rose over 100F, and
reached 103F the last time I was awake. But on Sunday morn when
I woke up, it felt like I had just stepped through a think
curtain of fog and a heavy weight had been lifted off my back.
There was a tiny remnant of headache and cough.. but by the
afternoon all that was gone. I sprinted back to life in time
for work on Monday.

Then... it was November when the media first started reporting
on covid-19.

I posted that article because China's definitely using this
as an excuse for population control. No surprise there.

Even here in Canada, it is disturbing that the media is putting
forth debates on "Vaccine Passports". That is disconcerting.

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August Abolins wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I woke up, it felt like I had just stepped through a think
curtain of fog and a heavy weight had been lifted off my back.
There was a tiny remnant of headache and cough.. but by the
afternoon all that was gone. I sprinted back to life in time
for work on Monday.

Then... it was November when the media first started reporting
on covid-19.

About the same time I had a couple of friends (and my son) get hit with uncharacteristically harsh flu symptoms. We suspected it was Covid.

Even here in Canada, it is disturbing that the media is putting
forth debates on "Vaccine Passports". That is disconcerting.

In the movie "Songbird", after the onset of Covid-20, people need to have armbands to prove their immunity to be outside. Creepy movie.

I thought to myself if any indie filmmakers didn't take advantage of the lockdowns and desolated downtown city areas last spring to make a post- apocalyptic film they were missing a huge opportunity.





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Hello August,

Sunday April 04 2021 13:47, you wrote to me:

Then... it was November when the media first started reporting
on covid-19.

You and several other Canadian friends have told me similar stories. I believe you all got hit with SARS-CoV-2 before the US did but the way New York state and New York City mishandled things, that area was the nexus of the US pandemic.

Even here in Canada, it is disturbing that the media is putting
forth debates on "Vaccine Passports". That is disconcerting.

It is very disconcerting (you are the only other person in BBSing that I have seen use that word!) to me.

I firmly believe while the release of SARS-CoV-2 was caused by sloppy procedures in a Chinese laboratory, the reaction to it worldwide was politicized and used to test out various plans to try to control people and steer them into complacency, eventually to come to rely on government fully.

Note that the virus is quite real as I had a lovely case of COVID-19 in October. I am in the part of the population that is at very high risk of dying from COVID-19 but, thanks to certain medications I take on a daily basis (ACE inhibitors, high dose of Vitamin D3) and medication I was given at the ER where I was treated (azithromycin, zinc, Vitamin C), I had a very mild case.

My beef is with the highly politicized way the people were treated and how the government, knowing better, outright lied (and continues to lie) to its citizens.

The "vaccine passport" is one of these control measures.

90% of people's fears are bullshit drilled into their head by a conspiring media and government[1]. In the US, the numbers have shown that less than 1% of the US population has died from COVID-19 and in that 1%, 98% of those victims had underlying conditions that were the acutal reason for their death and not COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 themselves.

But like Rahm Emanuel said, never let a crisis go to waste.

[1] = This is thanks to a public education system that is really a Marxist indoctrination system; these poor people have little to no critical thinking skills and believe everything they're told by the mass media and government.

-- Sean

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Hello Kurt,

Monday April 05 2021 07:15, you wrote to August Abolins:

About the same time I had a couple of friends (and my son) get hit
with uncharacteristically harsh flu symptoms. We suspected it was
Covid.

It was only a matter of time. We're lucky it wasn't anything worse.

In the movie "Songbird", after the onset of Covid-20, people need to
have armbands to prove their immunity to be outside. Creepy movie.

I've seen a scene from that movie about the armbands. It's not only creepy but frightening as I could see something like that happening. We already have vaccine cards and now several countries are pursuing "vaccine passports" like August said earlier.

I thought to myself if any indie filmmakers didn't take advantage of
the lockdowns and desolated downtown city areas last spring to make a post- apocalyptic film they were missing a huge opportunity.

Infinite possibilities. Kinda reminds me of "Cabin in the Woods" (I think that's the right name).

-- Sean

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I posted that article because China's definitely using this as an
excuse for population control. No surprise there.

Especially against those troublesome Hong Kong residents.

Mike

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Even here in Canada, it is disturbing that the media is putting
forth debates on "Vaccine Passports". That is disconcerting.

Apparently they already have these in New York. There are a few people
wanting them here. They probably want them as an excuse to exclude certain people. They will be sorry when they use them as an excuse to gather in
large groups without masks and then one of them brings a new variant with
them.

Mike


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I thought to myself if any indie filmmakers didn't take advantage of the lockdowns and desolated downtown city areas last spring to make a post- apocalyptic film they were missing a huge opportunity.

They would have had to find a town where there were no "peaceful protests" going on, otherwise the cameras would probably have drawn some unwanted attention (and the downtowns would not have been empty).

Mike


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Hello Mike Powell!

** On Monday 05.04.21 - 16:12, Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE:

I thought to myself if any indie filmmakers didn't take
advantage of the lockdowns and desolated downtown city areas
last spring to make a post-apocalyptic film they were
missing a huge opportunity.

They would have had to find a town where there were no
"peaceful protests" going on, otherwise the cameras would
probably have drawn some unwanted attention (and the
downtowns would not have been empty).

If you get a chance, take look at the film "28 Days Later" from
2002.

"The plot depicts the breakdown of society following the
accidental release of a highly contagious virus and focuses upon
the struggle of four survivors to cope with the destruction of
the life they once knew while evading those infected by the
virus."

They accomplished some amazing "empty streets" trickery right in
the middle of downtown London. Most of that takes place within
the 1st 30 minutes of the film.
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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

They would have had to find a town where there were no "peaceful
protests" going on, otherwise the cameras would probably have drawn
some unwanted attention (and the downtowns would not have been empty).

There were drone shots of San Francisco that looked pretty eerie. As for avoiding crowds, you need to give the magic of camerawork more credit. All
of Monty Python and the Holy Grail was filmed at one castle after the
Scottish board that controlled access to historical castles reneged on allowing them access to a handful of other castles. They used different
angles and times of the day for that one castle through the entire movie.


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I posted that article because China's definitely using this as an
excuse for population control. No surprise there.

That was the first thing that came to my mind when the entire thing started. That is exactly the type of crap that can happen when citizens allow their government too much power and authority.

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90% of people's fears are bullshit drilled into their head by a
conspiring media and government[1]. In the US, the numbers have shown
that less than 1% of the US population has died from COVID-19 and in that 1%, 98% of those victims had underlying conditions that were the acutal reason for their death and not COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 themselves.

100% true. There are a small amount of unknown exceptions as there are with pretty much everything in life.

Almost everyone will get Covid at some point and you will have a 98-99% chance of living. The media concentrates on the negative, which is why I pay no attention at all to any of it.

- Mark

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There were drone shots of San Francisco that looked pretty eerie. As for avoiding crowds, you need to give the magic of camerawork more credit.
All of Monty Python and the Holy Grail was filmed at one castle after the

True story here..

This goes back to the late March/early April timeframe when we were supposed ot be "locked down" in Maryland. Only driving when necessary, etc.. blah.. blah.

We had some nice weather in early April, so I was busy doing some social distancing on my Harley riding all over the place. No traffic, it was great!

I remember one specific time I was on I-95 in the middle of a Sunday. Not a single car/truck on either side of I-95 going over the Susquehanna Bridge. I wanted so bad to stop in the middle of the highway on the bridge and take some pictures, but decided against it just in case. I could have done it, though, because I didn't see any vehicles for a good while and would have had the time to take some pictures in the middle of the highway on the bridge in the middle of the day.

- Mark

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Hello Sean!

** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 12:19, your wrote to me:

In otherwords.. are you anxious and eager to get yours? ;)

No as I don't need one. My body has been producing antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 since I caught it last October. No one is sure why my body
is still doing that but I do not need anything else.

Someone who sauntered into my shop and started the vaccine
debate was "concerned" that one's antibodies for anything only
last up to 6-8 months.

So.. that's another spin that the media is making to maintain a
fear factor in the population.

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Someone who sauntered into my shop and started the vaccine
debate was "concerned" that one's antibodies for anything only
last up to 6-8 months.

It can sure differ from person to person. They are saying that the Moderna
and Pfizer vacs are only good for about that long before you will need a booster.


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Hello Mike!

** On Saturday 10.04.21 - 12:08, you wrote to me:

Someone who sauntered into my shop and started the vaccine
debate was "concerned" that one's antibodies for anything
only last up to 6-8 months.

It can sure differ from person to person. They are saying
that the Moderna and Pfizer vacs are only good for about
that long before you will need a booster.

Seems that the only sensible thing to do would be to buy stocks
in those companies. So, if you have to live in this doomsworld,
you may as well make some money out of it. :(

It's interesting that people are only getting covid these days,
and no one is getting the "regular" flu anymore. Hmmph.

The school board in my area is instructing people with even ONE
symptom of covid need to stay home - and must be tested covid-
free before being allowed to re-attend. I think it's ludicrous
to impose stay-at-home demands based on one friggin symptom - a
symptom that could be the basis of any OTHER ailment.

The world has gone mad.
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It's interesting that people are only getting covid these days,
and no one is getting the "regular" flu anymore. Hmmph.

I think you may have hit upon that below...

The school board in my area is instructing people with even ONE
symptom of covid need to stay home - and must be tested covid-
free before being allowed to re-attend. I think it's ludicrous
to impose stay-at-home demands based on one friggin symptom - a
symptom that could be the basis of any OTHER ailment.

Here, kids were not in school during flu season, and many adults were
working from home and social distancing. I suspect that the social
distancing and mask wearing are effective against the flu. Although I am
not certain, I also suspect that medical health providers stressed the flu
shot even more this past year than in recent ones.

I agree re: your assessment. Some symptoms are more likely COVID than
others. Here right now, allergy symptoms are off the chart and some of
those symptoms are also COVID symptoms.

Mike

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Hello Kurt Weiske!

** On Monday 05.04.21 - 07:15, you wrote to me:

Then... it was November when the media first started
reporting on covid-19.

About the same time I had a couple of friends (and my son)
get hit with uncharacteristically harsh flu symptoms. We
suspected it was Covid.

Tonight's 60 Minutes was interesting. They interviewed a
research specialist involved in studying past immunities,
including the Spanish Flu from 1918. Apparently they reactivated
that one, injected it into mice and "cured" them with the vaxx
they produced based on the antibodies that they were able to
cultivate from still living 1918 Spanish flu survivors.

The specialist basically said that our bodies are a catalog of
everything that has ever affected us. That tells me that the
antibodies from my Oct 2019 flu are still viable and capable to
assist in dealing with repeat flu offenses.

In the movie "Songbird", after the onset of Covid-20,
people need to have armbands to prove their immunity to be
outside. Creepy movie.

But a "vaxx passport" is no guarantee that the person vaxx'd is
not a spreader, at least for a little while longer.

I say that if people want to flaunt their "I'm vaxx'd" badge,
fine with them. But my health is my own business as it has
always been and I can always stay home if I don't feel well
enough to work - as I and millions of other people have always
done for decades.

I thought to myself if any indie filmmakers didn't take
advantage of the lockdowns and desolated downtown city
areas last spring to make a post-apocalyptic film they were
missing a huge opportunity.

If you get a chance, take look at the film "28 Days Later" from
2002. It's another post-apocalyptic study (but with a vampire/
zombie twist). Anyway.. the first 3 minutes of the film is
incredible trickery on how they depicted the empty streets of
London, when in reality all they did was remove objects
digitally. When I first watched it I was thinking how the heck
did they manage to convince the gov't to empty all those streets
for all those long-running shots.

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August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

If you get a chance, take look at the film "28 Days Later" from
2002. It's another post-apocalyptic study (but with a vampire/
zombie twist). Anyway.. the first 3 minutes of the film is
incredible trickery on how they depicted the empty streets of
London, when in reality all they did was remove objects
digitally. When I first watched it I was thinking how the heck
did they manage to convince the gov't to empty all those streets
for all those long-running shots.

There's a neat photoshop trick for still photos; it combines multiple photos of the same scene and removes anything not in each image. The net result is that moving objects are automatically removed from the final image. I've
seen one of the fountains in Rome with crowds of people milling about, and
in the final shot, all of the people have been removed.


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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Almost everyone will get Covid at some point and you will
have a 98-99% chance of living. The media concentrates on
the negative, which is why I pay no attention at all to any
of it.

Like how the COVID-19 "vaccine" isn't a vaccine at all ... it's an overglorified, under-tested coronavirus "flu shot". I read an article
today about how people who have the "vaccine" are already coming down
with variants of the original SARS-CoV-2 virus. All of that for
nothing. We already have drugs that can stop the virus cold in its
tracks but the "vaccine" provides a convenient path for injecting the
populous with God-knows-what in the name of "science".

It's amazing and frightening how few people in the world have
critical thinking skills anymore and just take everything they're told
by the mass (hysteria) media.

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August Abolins wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

So.. that's another spin that the media is making to maintain a
fear factor in the population.

There's already been studies that suggest that once you contract a
case of COVID-19 that you'll have lifetime immunity. Like I said to
Mark, a severe lack of critical thinking has hampered good in the
world allowing evil to gain control.

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It's amazing and frightening how few people in the world have
critical thinking skills anymore and just take everything they're told
by the mass (hysteria) media.

That has been the most eye opening part about this entire thing. To this day, I still see some people driving in their car by themselves with masks on, jogging outside with masks on, and will just blindly listen to anything they see on TV.

It is really sad, actually. Sometimes I feel like a total outsider, but sometimes standing up for what you believe means standing alone. I'm fine with that.

The media is the source of all things evil. They are what divides, they are what spreads fear to those that pay attention to them, and will stop at nothing to get higher ratings. I have not watched the news (or sports) for years. They are all dead to me.

I can't even watch stuff on YouTube without the virus shit popping up all over the damn place. The media is the virus.

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There's already been studies that suggest that once you contract a
case of COVID-19 that you'll have lifetime immunity. Like I said to
Mark, a severe lack of critical thinking has hampered good in the
world allowing evil to gain control.

Here is what I have changed in my life for the virus. I wash my hands more often, in particular when I come home from any public place. That is a good thing to do no matter what, but I am more concious about it now. That is about it.

This is not ebola and in my particular circumstance, I'm not concerned.

- Mark

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Hello Mark Hofmann!

** On Saturday 17.04.21 - 20:42, Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis:

That has been the most eye opening part about this entire
thing. To this day, I still see some people driving in
their car by themselves with masks on..

I see that too. I think it identifies those who are not able to
think for themselves.

The media is the source of all things evil. They are what
divides, they are what spreads fear to those that pay
attention to them..

I recently discovered a fellow that goes by the alias An0maly.
He is a very articulate speaker and can identify the crap when
the media puts it out. He is a fact-checker and proves it well.

I came across a recent Jim Jordan / Fauci interchange as part of
a House subcomittee hearing. I haven't heard it all yet, but I
noticed how Fauci avoided providing the means to "measure" when
the time will be right to give people their freedoms back.


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I came across a recent Jim Jordan / Fauci interchange as part of
a House subcomittee hearing. I haven't heard it all yet, but I
noticed how Fauci avoided providing the means to "measure" when
the time will be right to give people their freedoms back.

The truth is the governments don't want to give any freedoms back. They love the power and control, which is the most dangerous thing I have seen in my lifetime.

The solution is really simple. A date should be set when all people that want the vaccine should be able to get it. Let's say by June, everyone should have been able to get it if that is their wishes.

After that, everything goes back to normal. End of story.

Unfortunately I don't see that happening in the US due to slo-moe-Joe - the meat puppet in there. The people controlling slo-moe Joe want to keep their power and control over everyone by keeping this going, keeping the media pumping out things to divide people, and making people think they need the government to "keep them safe". Pure crap.

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That has been the most eye opening part about this entire thing. To this day,
still see some people driving in their car by themselves with masks on, joggi
outside with masks on, and will just blindly listen to anything they see on T

If it is cold, and the trip is short, I would leave mine on between stops
in the car just because it was easier and it didn't bother me to have it
on. That way I didn't have to touch it as much. I also found that wearing
one while I was out walking (neck gaiter variety) on days when it was blustery cold out was actually nice. It fit better around my mouth and nose than my scarf.

Now that it is warming up, I don't want a mask anywhere near my face when it doesn't have to be.

It is really sad, actually. Sometimes I feel like a total outsider, but somet
es standing up for what you believe means standing alone. I'm fine with that.

A lot of it is BS but I suspect the social distancing and mask wearing is
what kept the flu numbers around here way down this past season. That, and
the bigger school districts in my state were on remote learning during the whole season. That kept the little germ factories known as kids from being together as much.

The media is the source of all things evil. They are what divides, they are w
t spreads fear to those that pay attention to them, and will stop at nothing t
get higher ratings. I have not watched the news (or sports) for years. They a
all dead to me.

They have for sure blown a bunch of the recent police incidents out of proportion. There is a YT video of an older black gentleman going off on a
new reporter when she asks him about the violence. His answer basically
blames the media for inflaming the masses and making things much worse than they should be. The reporter seemed genuinely shocked. I was shocked that
she was surprised at all.

I can't even watch stuff on YouTube without the virus shit popping up all over
he damn place. The media is the virus.

I did an experiment with YT where I watched and searched only for videos
that were not politics or wuhan coronavirus related. For a few days, my
feed cleaned up but, after about a week, nearly half of the first 10 videos recommended would be about 1 or both of the 2.

They profit from views, and they keep people viewing by pissing them off or making them scared.

Mik


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I came across a recent Jim Jordan / Fauci interchange as part of
a House subcomittee hearing. I haven't heard it all yet, but I
noticed how Fauci avoided providing the means to "measure" when
the time will be right to give people their freedoms back.

I am a little surprised. You would think that "never" would be pretty easy
to articulate. :(

Mike


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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Mike Powell to MARK HOFMANN on Sun Apr 18 2021 10:52 am

I can't even watch stuff on YouTube without the virus shit popping up all over
he damn place. The media is the virus.

I did an experiment with YT where I watched and searched only for videos that were not politics or wuhan coronavirus related. For a few days, my feed cleaned up but, after about a week, nearly half of the first 10 videos recommended would be
about 1 or both of the 2.

They profit from views, and they keep people viewing by pissing them off or making them scared.

Mik

This.

Pretty much the reason why I am so disconnected from the media nowadays. It is a fear factory, not
a source of information.

Youtube in particular is directly a criminal organization. They outed themselves when they banned
Iker Jiménez' program, which as far as I know was as neutral as a scientific program can be, for
having people who didn't follow the party line in it. Awesome. Not.

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Pretty much the reason why I am so disconnected from the media nowadays. It is
fear factory, not
a source of information.

They've caused an incredible amount of trouble in this country over the
past couple of years.

Youtube in particular is directly a criminal organization. They outed themselv
when they banned
Iker Jim.nez' program, which as far as I know was as neutral as a scientific p
gram can be, for
having people who didn't follow the party line in it. Awesome. Not.

I have not heard of him, but I know that they ban or demonitize many folks whose views contradict with their own by using sometimes vague and
uncertain terms.

Mike

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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Mike Powell to ARELOR on Mon Apr 19 2021 10:03 am

I have not heard of him, but I know that they ban or demonitize many folks whose views contradict with their own by using sometimes vague and
uncertain terms.

I am not a fan of Iker myself. My information is that he runs scientific and divulgation programs under the disguise of conspiranoic documentaries. This means he will take an outrageous theme like UFOs and then do something serious with it (such as demonstrating why the last UFO story in some social media is bullshit).

I think the Spanish government got angry at him because he started doing COVID and pandemic centric documentaries. Instead of "The unbeliveable case of the UFO" ones, he starded with "Is COVID a bioweapon?" styled ones. They kicked him out of TV and then out of Youtube. Probably more because of what the titles suggested than what the actual programs contained.


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I think the Spanish government got angry at him because he started doing COVID
and pandemic centric documentaries. Instead of "The unbeliveable case of the UFO" ones, he starded with "Is COVID a bioweapon?" styled ones.

I am not certain that this is not a valid question. :(

Mike


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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Mike Powell to ARELOR on Tue Apr 20 2021 11:12 am

I think the Spanish government got angry at him because he started doing COVID
and pandemic centric documentaries. Instead of "The unbeliveable case of t UFO" ones, he starded with "Is COVID a bioweapon?" styled ones.

I am not certain that this is not a valid question. :(

Mike

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Now I wonder which conclussions did they reach in the programs. I think the opinion that the Spanish government was messing up big time was popular among attendants which is probably another thign that pissed the government off :-P

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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I can't even watch stuff on YouTube without the virus shit
popping up all over the damn place. The media is the virus.

You're right. The media is nothing but an arm of the state these
days. Did you see how Biden was the only world leader wearing a mask
during a recent "climate change" (another tool of the left; climate
change is natural but "man-made climate change" is nothing but folly)
virtual summit? Hilarious.

Anyone notice that all of these people who thought they were
"vaccinated" are coming down with COVID-19 left and right? They
figured out too late that they were lied to. It's also come out that
people who have had COVID-19 already, like myself, should NOT get the
"vaccine" due to a much higher risk of getting the "rare" (but
becoming increasingly more common) clotting factor disorder associated
with the "vaccine".

If they want to be a test subject for an untested "vaccine", let them.
Just don't bother me. I'm in the 10% that was, according to the
government and media, that was supposed to have died after contracting
the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Proved them wrong, didn't I?

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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

This is not ebola and in my particular circumstance, I'm not concerned.

Washing your hands is orders of magnitude more effective against one contracting SARS-CoV-2 but to hear the government and media, you'd not
know that. My case of COVID-19 was no worse than a nasty case of the
flu (you notice no one gets colds or the flu anymore?).

Less than 1% of the US population has died from a virus that has a
99.6% full recovery rate and in that 1%, less than 1% died from the
virus itself but instead died of other existing underlying conditions.

More people are dying from suicide and domestic abuse than COVID-19.
The government and media don't want you to know that.

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August Abolins wrote to Mark Hofmann <=-

I came across a recent Jim Jordan / Fauci interchange as part of
a House subcomittee hearing. I haven't heard it all yet, but I
noticed how Fauci avoided providing the means to "measure" when
the time will be right to give people their freedoms back.

When he stops making money off of a crisis he helped create.

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Mark Hofmann wrote to August Abolins <=-

The truth is the governments don't want to give any
freedoms back. They love the power and control, which is
the most dangerous thing I have seen in my lifetime.

When the people realize the government works for them and not the
other way around, it will stop. But Americans have been lulled into a
false sense of security, lacking any critical thinking skills and not
knowing how to question authority.

-- Sean


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Mike Powell wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS <=-

I am a little surprised. You would think that "never" would be pretty easy to articulate. :(

It is sad.

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Hello Sean Dennis!

** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 15:41, Sean Dennis wrote to Mark Hofmann:

Washing your hands is orders of magnitude more effective..

Less than 1% of the US population has died from a virus
that has a 99.6% full recovery rate..

More people are dying from suicide and domestic abuse than
COVID-19. The government and media don't want you to know
that.

I posted this in another net, but here it is for the micro
crowd:

Originally in fsx_gen:
** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 00:30, Adept wrote to Ogg:

To be fair, the cardiovascular degradation aspects of COVID
are pretty scary. And, honestly, are the primary reason why
COVID concerns me, rather than the immediate death risk.

Most people of the public are in very bad shape. The modest
clinicals trials only used fit and healthy people.

It'll be interesting to see what data we can get out of
this, as I assume it'll be messy.

I am not interested in being part of that data in the global
experiment.

Quoting from..

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140- 6736(21)00762-5/fulltext

"In a population of 5 million people (ie, size matching the
approximate number of people having received the Oxford-
AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Europe by March 10, 20214 ),
this incidence would correspond to approximately 169 expected
cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 736 expected cases
per month (if based on the incidence rate among the 18-99-year-
old Danes). Similarly, if estimated based on the incidence rate
among 18-64-year-old Danes, one would expect 91 cases of venous
thromboembolism per week, or 398 cases per month."

BUT, in a recent news story on TV tonight, one news organization
decided to claim this statistic: that out of 1.1 million cases,
only 4 where reported with blood clots.

The LANCET continues..

"We are, however, aware that although a substantial fraction of
the thromboembolisms seem to be venous, reports are emerging of
rare types of multiple thrombosis, bleeding, and
thrombocytopenia, apparently similar to disseminated
intravascular coagulation, occurring in otherwise healthy
individuals shortly after receiving the Oxford-AstraZeneca
COVID-19 vaccine."

The TV news organization touted the predictable line: "the
benefits still outweigh the risks"

But they don't quote the whole line:

"the EMA concluded that 'benefits still outweigh the risks
despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood
platelets'"

Considering that the success rate to fight covid naturally is
98%, and the possibility to catch it is pretty low if avoiding
gatherings and washing hands, I would rather take that chance
than purposely introducing something into my body and then live
in real fear of the thrombosis risk or any yet unknown risks.

It is outrageous for the public message to be "the benefits
still outweigh the risks" for drugs that are not FDA approved
and for the manufacturers to have indemnity. The only ones who
benefit are the manufactures.

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Hello Sean Dennis!

** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 15:38, Sean Dennis wrote to Mark Hofmann:

Anyone notice that all of these people who thought they
were "vaccinated" are coming down with COVID-19 left and
right? They figured out too late that they were lied to.
It's also come out that people who have had COVID-19
already, like myself, should NOT get the "vaccine" due to a
much higher risk of getting the "rare" (but becoming
increasingly more common) clotting factor disorder
associated with the "vaccine".

I haven't heard that reporting. All we get here (in Canada) is
that there are *new* "cases". But of those cases how many are
people who have been vaccinated? No information.

If they want to be a test subject for an untested
"vaccine", let them. Just don't bother me. I'm in the 10%
that was, according to the government and media, that was
supposed to have died after contracting the SARS-CoV-2
virus. Proved them wrong, didn't I?

Haven't heard about that 10% figure. Back in Nov-Dec 2019 the
hospitals didn't seem concerned. We were just among the bunch of
people with a flu. But.. how do we (you and I) reconcile the
increase of covid positive people in ICU? We can't really deny
that whatever version of flu these people have, it can be
deadly.

Take a quick listen to this fellow. He's the Executive Director
at https://www.constitutionalrightscentre.ca/ ..and he has a few
things to say about covid measures. This one is an excerpt from
a longer newsletter:

https://kolico.ca/mpg/Your-Rights-to-Decline-Mandatory-Covid-Measures-EXCERPT-Q3wWxJ5L9Pk.mp4

OR... https://tinyurl.com/d6jjxsdv

ADVANCE to about 9:50 for the "Summary"

In it he mentions the ill applied PCR test that is being used to
detect "cases". I learned about the PCR problem about 3 months
ago.

The full episode is: https://youtu.be/Q3wWxJ5L9Pk at about 42 minutes.


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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Sean Dennis to Mark Hofmann on Sun Apr 25 2021 03:38 pm

Anyone notice that all of these people who thought they were
"vaccinated" are coming down with COVID-19 left and right? They
figured out too late that they were lied to. It's also come out that
people who have had COVID-19 already, like myself, should NOT get the "vaccine" due to a much higher risk of getting the "rare" (but
becoming increasingly more common) clotting factor disorder associated
with the "vaccine".

I have mentioned in FSXNet that we got a patient in the clinic who was vaccinated, then got an antibodies test with sufficient time, and showed up not to have antibodies. The plural of anecdote is not data, but this comes to show that being vaccinated does not make you invulnerable.

I am surprised nobody asnwered to that message over there. I suspect they have put me in a twit filter or something :-P

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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Arelor to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 26 2021 04:58 am

Anyone notice that all of these people who thought they were
"vaccinated" are coming down with COVID-19 left and right? They
figured out too late that they were lied to. It's also come out that
people who have had COVID-19 already, like myself, should NOT get the

There's talk of a third injection being neccesary.

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Mike Powell wrote to BRIAN KLAUSS <=-

My oldest daughter's company is offering a day of PTO if they get their COVID-19 vax. Forcing their staff to show proof violates HIPPA and a
few other privacy laws. The vax should not be forced on anyone.

Are they forcing them to prove they got it? If so I agree. My
employer is not forcing us to prove it to get leave time for it. I suspect they have access to check it if they suspect we didn't,
though.

From what it sounds like, yes. I'm not a fan of companies forcing their employees to get vaccinated but I'm also under the opinion that people
should be able to work from home if their job / position makes it
possible (and precluding them from getting the vaccine if they desire).

From what it sounds like, it could even be an every 6 months thing
since, unlike flu, it is not seasonal.

It sounds like a big waste of time. I haven't gotten mine yet and I
keep going back and forth. I'm not a fan of feeling like I got ran over
by a train then hit by a bus just for six months of "immunity".


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August Abolins wrote to Brian Klauss <=-

My oldest daughter's company is offering a day of PTO if
they get their COVID-19 vax. Forcing their staff to show
proof violates HIPPA and a few other privacy laws. The vax
should not be forced on anyone.

In Canada, a forced vaccination to maintain employment, is unconstitutional.

America... land of the free, home of the brave, ignorance of the
Constitution.

little experiment: if you interact with a lot of people during
your days, be diligent about avoiding to touch your face with
your hands, wash your hands often, ..and see if you can avoid
*any* flu or cold for the next year.

I've caught myself touching my face without thinking so many times I
gave up counting. This past year, with wearing a mask, my wife and I
avoided colds and flus. It was pretty nice.


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Of course the media and politicians want to keep this going forever, so they wi
l say you need vaccines forever. Even though there has not been a single prove
case of anyone getting this more than once. And it has been around longer than
reported, that I can assure you.

I have heard reports of people getting it again, but I wonder if it is not
just people who never completely got over it the first time. A work-friend lost a parent like that... he got better and seemed just fine, then took a
real quick turn and passed quickly after.

China made this in a lab and accidentally let it out. All the people involved >ave disappeared as happpens often in China and places where the government runs
everything.

That would not surprise me, especially the disappeared part. People who
think a government that runs everything is good don't realize that not
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From what it sounds like, it could even be an every 6 months thing since, unlike flu, it is not seasonal.

It sounds like a big waste of time. I haven't gotten mine yet and I
keep going back and forth. I'm not a fan of feeling like I got ran over
by a train then hit by a bus just for six months of "immunity".

Everyone is different. My sister had a bad reaction to both shots but says
she is glad she did it. I did not have much of a reaction at all, and I suspect part of mine with the first shot was nerves. The pain in the
muscle where I got the shot was the worst I have ever experienced with a
shot (worse even than getting stung by a yellow-jacket) but that was the
worse side-effect I experienced.


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Hello Mike Powell!

** On Tuesday 04.05.21 - 13:38, Mike Powell wrote to BRIAN KLAUSS:

Everyone is different. My sister had a bad reaction to
both shots but says she is glad she did it. I did not have
much of a reaction at all, and I suspect part of mine with
the first shot was nerves. The pain in the muscle where I
got the shot was the worst I have ever experienced with a
shot (worse even than getting stung by a yellow-jacket) but
that was the worse side-effect I experienced.

Why would someone get such uncomfortable and troubling
reactions? Is that because one's immune system is already
pretty weak? I would think it is not wise to inflict one's body
with a highly experimental drug for a primarily non-lethal
virus.
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From what it sounds like, it could even be an every 6
months thing since, unlike flu, it is not seasonal.

It sounds like a big waste of time. I haven't gotten mine
yet and I keep going back and forth. I'm not a fan of
feeling like I got ran over by a train then hit by a bus
just for six months of "immunity".

If your body attains a bad reaction to something, then to me it
would follow not to take that something. I am disgusted at the
"benefits outweigh the risks" mantra. For who's benefit is it?
- probably more to the drug manufacturers and investors.

Why would you take a dangerous experimental injection for a non-
fatal illness?

Anyone hear of any news about the Russian version - Sputnik? The
news about that one seems to have gone dark.

Reading the science about that one sounds very frankenscience
for which the long-term effects are not known.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/gamaleya-covid- 19-vaccine.html

"Gamaleya has announced that Sputnik V has an efficacy rate of
91.4 percent, but has not yet published a scientific paper with
the full details of the trial. "

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Hello Brian Klauss!

** On Tuesday 04.05.21 - 07:37, Brian Klauss wrote to August Abolins:

I've caught myself touching my face without thinking so
many times I gave up counting. This past year, with wearing
a mask, my wife and I avoided colds and flus. It was
pretty nice.

When you catch yourself doing that, try to wash your hands and
face asap. You'll probably reduce the likelyhood of allowing
and virii to enter your body from repeated touching to the face.

DRs will tell you that a cold or flu virus spreads from coughing
or sneezing. The whole notion that you can get covid-19 from
people just breathing around you is a fear tactic they dreamt up
later into the campaign.

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This isn't aimed at any one person and some people you won't change their thinking no matter what you say but I wanted to make a few points.

I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going or to give people Vaccines they don't need given the many millions of dollars spent in support
of the sick and the loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at a fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

Because we had a death due to blood clots in Quebec, Canada recently, they
gave out the actual numbers. Out of 650,000 Astra Zeneca shots given, they had 3 cases of blood clots with one death. If 650,000 people got Covid, even at
the very conservative 1% death rate, that could mean 6500 people dead, not 1.

Myself and my mother got the shot last week and other than some tenderness around the muscle at the injection site, there were no ill effects.
My sister got it 2 weeks ago and had headaches for 2 or 3 days and was
nauseous for part of one day, and then fine afterwards. She is not in great health and has immunity issues due to cancer treatments a few years back which might explain her stronger reaction. (These were all the Pfizer Vaccine)

My niece said she was against the Vaccine after reading all the 'info' online. She is a school teacher and we just learned today that her, her husband and both of her children have tested positive for Covid, as has every child in the nursery school that her youngest attends. Hard to say where it started first but this is where it ended up. Fortunately, so far, none of her family is very sick, not a huge surprise since they are all young and healthy and we all know that 80% of people who get it hardly know they have it.

I understand that it might sound like a good idea to let it run rampant and
get it over with but, in the USA, that would mean, conservatively, you'd be looking at 3.4 million dead.. and BTW, someone said something about more
deaths due to drug overdoses than from Covid.. Latest figures I have say that in 2019 70,630 people died from drug overdoses in the USA. Let's not assume everyone will get Covid and just look at the current total in the USA of over 580,000 dead and you can see where things were headed prior to the Vaccine.

I hate wearing a mask and I hate that my shopping is difficult or restricted due to the Covid rules. If it were up to me, I'd take my chances and just be a little careful of close contact, but I don't think it would be fair for me to take my chances and possibly bring it home with me to infect others.

I'll do whatever I can to try to stop it from spreading and maybe if everyone does that then it will die out like all the other Pandemics a little sooner.

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Everyone is different. My sister had a bad reaction to
both shots but says she is glad she did it. I did not have
much of a reaction at all, and I suspect part of mine with
the first shot was nerves. The pain in the muscle where I
got the shot was the worst I have ever experienced with a
shot (worse even than getting stung by a yellow-jacket) but
that was the worse side-effect I experienced.

Why would someone get such uncomfortable and troubling
reactions? Is that because one's immune system is already
pretty weak? I would think it is not wise to inflict one's body
with a highly experimental drug for a primarily non-lethal
virus.

I really cannot answer that. The Hep-A shots I got a couple of years back
left my arm a little sore also, but this one was worse. If I had
side-effects like my sister did, I don't think I would consider getting it again.

Mike


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I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going or to give people Vaccines they don't need given the many millions of dollars spent in support of the sick and the loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at a fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

I don't really see how, either, but that could be why I wouldn't make a
good politician or despot. :)

Myself and my mother got the shot last week and other than some tenderness around the muscle at the injection site, there were no ill effects.
My sister got it 2 weeks ago and had headaches for 2 or 3 days and was nauseous for part of one day, and then fine afterwards. She is not in great health and has immunity issues due to cancer treatments a few years back which
might explain her stronger reaction. (These were all the Pfizer Vaccine)

Was that your first or second? I got my second 2-3 weeks ago and seem to
be just fine. No real ill effects, and the first was worse than the second.

My niece said she was against the Vaccine after reading all the 'info' online.
She is a school teacher and we just learned today that her, her husband and both of her children have tested positive for Covid, as has every child in the
nursery school that her youngest attends. Hard to say where it started first but this is where it ended up. Fortunately, so far, none of her family is very
sick, not a huge surprise since they are all young and healthy and we all know
that 80% of people who get it hardly know they have it.

My father's wife doesn't want to get it. One of her daughters is an
anti-vaxer and told her she couldn't see her grandkids if she got it
because the daughter is afraid she could bring it to them without knowing
she has it if she's been vaxed. That, or she thinks being vaxed means you
can make other sick. Not sure.

Some people have reservations and I can respect that. I can't help feel
like I am part of someone's science project, but that is what happens when
a previously-unseen virus becomes so prevalent.

I hate wearing a mask and I hate that my shopping is difficult or restricted due to the Covid rules. If it were up to me, I'd take my chances and just be a
little careful of close contact, but I don't think it would be fair for me to take my chances and possibly bring it home with me to infect others.

I don't have to worry about bringing it home to someone, but I do if I want
to visit my folks. Mom and Dad both got shot, so I am hoping we are all covered. I got it for that reason and that I suspect they will eventually
cut us off from working from home.

Also, here, it is difficult to maintain social distancing because people
here like to get into your personal space. We may never get to where we
cannot wear masks. As long as the shot doesn't make me sick, it cannot
hurt me as much as the people around me could.

I'll do whatever I can to try to stop it from spreading and maybe if everyone does that then it will die out like all the other Pandemics a little sooner.

I hope so. I try to also. Someone reminded me the other day that the
Spanish Flu lasted about 3-4 years so, at that rate, we may not be quite half-way through this yet.

Mike


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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Wed May 05 2021 03:25 pm

I don't have to worry about bringing it home to someone, but I do if I want to visit my folks. Mom and Dad both got shot, so I am hoping we are all covered. I got it for that reason and t
I suspect they will eventually
cut us off from working from home.

It seems that you may be carrying the virus even if you are immune, and given immunity is far from perfect, I don't
think being vaccinated is a carte blanche to ignore precautions. So keep beeing careful if you are concerned about
spreading it.

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Re: Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Rob Mccart to MIKE POWELL on Wed May 05 2021 01:10 am

This isn't aimed at any one person and some people you won't change their thinking no matter what you say but I
wanted to make a few points.

I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going or to give people Vaccines they don't need given the
many millions of dollars spent in support
of the sick and the loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at a fraction of their normal capacity o
not at all.

Spanish government took over the autonomic system. In US terms, that is like Washington overriding the Federal
system invoking martial law, except no military display.

They have been doing a bunch of things taking advantage of the fact they have emergency powers to do stuff that has
nothing to do with the virus. The government has taken no "profit" but a bunch of its members have tried for sure
:-)

The point is that governments are made of people, and people are suckers that will sell their grandmothers for a
shot of bourbon. I don t think the virus was released so some lab could sell vaccines or anything like that, but
you can bet a whole lot of people bribed yet another lot of people in order to secure distribution deals for
equipment, hidroalcoholics, vaccines and such. Heck, here they used to bribe officers in order to secure
distribution deals for paper _sheets_.



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Hello Arelor!

** On Wednesday 05.05.21 - 17:48, Arelor wrote to Mike Powell:

It seems that you may be carrying the virus even if you are
immune, and given immunity is far from perfect, I don't
think being vaccinated is a carte blanche to ignore
precautions. So keep beeing careful if you are concerned
about spreading it.

It's funny how "they" talk about how dangerous asymptomatic
people are for spreading the virus, but fail to mention that the
virus does NOT live in your body (without causing symtoms)
forever, nor do they mention that a flu/cold virus spreads by
sneezing or coughing. If you are not sneezing or coughing, and
have no sysmptoms, you are at LOW risk of spreading anything.

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It seems that you may be carrying the virus even if you are immune, and given munity is far from perfect, I don't
think being vaccinated is a carte blanche to ignore precautions. So keep beein
careful if you are concerned about
spreading it.

I shall be. :)


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I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going or to give peopl

>> Vaccines they don't need given the many millions of dollars spent in suppor
>> of the sick and the loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at
>> fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

I don't really see how, either, but that could be why I wouldn't make a

>good politician or despot. :)

To be fair, as someone else said, whenever disaster strikes there will always be people who will find a way to profit from it.

This one is confusing though. Several governments are trying to talk or force the vaccine makers into letting poorer countries manufacture it and pay them nothing. I'm all for trying to help people out, and dead against big Pharma ripping people off on drugs they can't survive without, but I still think they should make some money on things they produce. Maybe a more fair idea would
be to give them a number of years to repay a certain amount per dose instead
of asking them to pay right now in super hard times.

Myself and my mother got the shot last week and other than some tenderness

>> around the muscle at the injection site, there were no ill effects.
>> My sister got it 2 weeks ago and had headaches for 2 or 3 days and was
>> nauseous for part of one day, and then fine afterwards. She is not in great
>> health and has immunity issues due to cancer treatments a few years back wh
>> might explain her stronger reaction. (These were all the Pfizer Vaccine)

Was that your first or second?

That was our first. They say it may take up to 4 months to get an appointment for a second dose but I'm hoping increases in supply will lessen that wait.

My father's wife doesn't want to get it. One of her daughters is an

>anti-vaxer and told her she couldn't see her grandkids if she got it
>because the daughter is afraid she could bring it to them without knowing
>she has it if she's been vaxed. That, or she thinks being vaxed means you
>can make other sick. Not sure.

That's unfortunate. As I understand it the vaccine does not totally stop you from getting Covid, but it lessens the chance and lessens the symptoms so it's less likely you will spread it around or land in the hospital yourself.

Some people have reservations and I can respect that. I can't help feel

>like I am part of someone's science project, but that is what happens when
>a previously-unseen virus becomes so prevalent.

This is true, but we are seeing how well doing nothing worked so all we can do is hope that the vaccine helps reduce things.
There are areas that with a decent precentage of people vaccinated are seeing reductions in new cases of 60% or better so, it may not be perfect, but it seems to be helping.

I don't have to worry about bringing it home to someone, but I do if I want

>to visit my folks. Mom and Dad both got shot, so I am hoping we are all
>covered. I got it for that reason and that I suspect they will eventually
>cut us off from working from home.

So you are working from home at the moment?
I'm surviving Covid better than most because I live alone most of the year and see no one other than on my shopping run, one day every 2 weeks, so I've sort of been living in Quarantine for years now.. B)

I spend winters with my mother who can't manage on her own once the snow
starts flying and such, plus with Covid around she hasn't left the house in
the past year other than for doctor's appointments so I'm doing everything
that she needs done outside of the home for over a year now. Before Covid I would take her shopping for her own groceries but now she doesn't get any sort of outings at all.

Also, here, it is difficult to maintain social distancing because people

>here like to get into your personal space. We may never get to where we
>cannot wear masks. As long as the shot doesn't make me sick, it cannot
>hurt me as much as the people around me could.

Yes, that's rough. Where I am the people are all being fairly cautious and the population is low. Right now with the 3rd wave running rampant, in the health district where I live (about 44,000 people), we are getting about one new case a day, about 139 since the very start, 1 person is in hospital with it at the moment, and a single death since the start, a woman who had serious health issues before she caught Covid.

I hope so. I try to also. Someone reminded me the other day that the

>Spanish Flu lasted about 3-4 years so, at that rate, we may not be quite
>half-way through this yet.

I just read: It ran from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people - about a third of the world's population at the time.

I didn't realise it took that long for it to burn itself out.

Why can't we find perfect cures for these things in a few hours or days like they always did on Star Trek? B)

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I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going or to give

>> people Vaccines they don't need given the many millions of dollars spent
>> in support of the sick and the loss in tax revenues with many businesses
>> operating at a fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

Spanish government took over the autonomic system. In US terms, that is like

>shington overriding the Federal
>system invoking martial law, except no military display.

They have been doing a bunch of things taking advantage of the fact they have

>ergency powers to do stuff that has
>nothing to do with the virus. The government has taken no "profit" but a bunc
>f its members have tried for sure
>:-)

Yes, there will always be people like that. Hopefully I'm not wearing blinders but, from the few that end up getting caught, I *think* we have a little less of that here in Canada than in many countries.
Usually the biggest complaint here is over high taxes to support our universal health care, which is not perfect but is not bad, and I think this is one of the better countries to live in if you are lower income. Again it's never perfect, but it could be worse, and seems to be in a lot of other places..

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Hello Rob Mccart!

** On Wednesday 05.05.21 - 01:10, Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL:

I understand that it might sound like a good idea to let it
run rampant and get it over with but, in the USA, that
would mean, conservatively, you'd be looking at 3.4 million
dead..

If people would just stay home when they develop symptoms of
cold/flu then "it" wouldn't run rampant.

The cold/flu spreads by coughing/sneezing. But if you have no
symptoms, and you're not coughing/sneezing, you're NOT spreading
anything.

I hate wearing a mask and I hate that my shopping is
difficult or restricted due to the Covid rules. If it were
up to me, I'd take my chances and just be a little careful
of close contact, but I don't think it would be fair for me
to take my chances and possibly bring it home with me to
infect others.

There a couple of large chain grocery stores in my town. One of
them stopped the endless wiping-down of the carts after each
return. People just return the carts to the front door where
they are typically stacked up, and the next person just takes
what's there.

I'll do whatever I can to try to stop it from spreading and
maybe if everyone does that then it will die out like all
the other Pandemics a little sooner.

If the sick would stay home, "it" would die off before it gets a
chance to keep spreading.

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Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: August Abolins to Rob Mccart on Sat May 08 2021 09:42 pm

I understand that it might sound like a good idea to let it
run rampant and get it over with but, in the USA, that
would mean, conservatively, you'd be looking at 3.4 million
dead..

If people would just stay home when they develop symptoms of
cold/flu then "it" wouldn't run rampant.

If the pandemic has taught me anything,it is that people is even more irresponsible than I thought. Believe me, that is saying a whole lot.

Here in Spain the Government encouraged protests during the start of the outbreak. I have heard from Asian people that some sutheast Asian countries believe we are a bunch of fools since then. I can't blame them.

People has been partying hard, bars have been packed so full not a mouse could have moved between attendants.

Infected people, upon knowing they were infected, just proceeded with their normal lives, which included partying hard and infecting other people, because fuck it.

I think we haven't got half what we deserve yet.


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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 09.05.21 - 09:23, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

If people would just stay home when they develop symptoms of
cold/flu then "it" wouldn't run rampant.

If the pandemic has taught me anything,it is that people is
even more irresponsible than I thought. Believe me, that is
saying a whole lot.

Here in Spain the Government encouraged protests during the
start of the outbreak. I have heard from Asian people that
some sutheast Asian countries believe we are a bunch of
fools since then. I can't blame them.

I'm surprised to hear that your gov't would encourge protests!

But.. hopefully, people who have colds/flus stay home. :/

People has been partying hard, bars have been packed so
full not a mouse could have moved between attendants.

Hopefully a person who feels sick with a cold/flu wouldn't go
out.

Infected people, upon knowing they were infected, just
proceeded with their normal lives, which included partying
hard and infecting other people, because fuck it.

I don't think I could drag myself out to party if I had a cold/
flu. You spaniards much be crazy if you do! :D

I think we haven't got half what we deserve yet.

I'm not convinced that reported "cases" are all deadly. The
vast majority of people survive this covid thing. Perhaps if
it culls the partying idiots, then they are welcome to their
Darwin Award (that is I assume you understand that reference?)

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This one is confusing though. Several governments are trying to talk or force the vaccine makers into letting poorer countries manufacture it and pay them nothing. I'm all for trying to help people out, and dead against big Pharma ripping people off on drugs they can't survive without, but I still think they
should make some money on things they produce. Maybe a more fair idea would be to give them a number of years to repay a certain amount per dose instead of asking them to pay right now in super hard times.

I agree. If they don't pay at all, someone else will, most likely poorer people in our countries.

That's unfortunate. As I understand it the vaccine does not totally stop you from getting Covid, but it lessens the chance and lessens the symptoms so it's
less likely you will spread it around or land in the hospital yourself.

That is my understanding, and they are hoping the more who get it the less likely it will be able to mutate as quickly.

So you are working from home at the moment?

For the most part. I usually go in one day every week or two to take care
of some things that are just easier to do in the office. There is rarely anyone else on my floor so it is similar to being at home.

I just read: It ran from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people - about a third of the world's population at the time.

OK, so what I read rounded it up a little... it was really just over two
years.

I didn't realise it took that long for it to burn itself out.

Why can't we find perfect cures for these things in a few hours or days like they always did on Star Trek? B)

Or just about any other TV show. :)

Mike


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Hello Mike and Rob!

** On Wednesday 05.05.21 - 15:25, Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART:

I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going
or to give people Vaccines they don't need given the many
millions of dollars spent in support of the sick and the
loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at a
fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

This is why the control aspect of the public seems to be the
primary purpose of the project. This will be my 2yr of
reporting losses in my biz. Meanwhile I have to manage to
scrape by - somehow.

..My sister got it 2 weeks ago and had headaches for 2 or 3
days and was nauseous for part of one day, and then fine
afterwards. She is not in great health and has immunity
issues due to cancer treatments a few years back which
might explain her stronger reaction. (These were all the
Pfizer Vaccine)

I learned that it is NOT a good idea to take the jab if you
have a compromised immused system, particularly if you have had
cancer treatments (which kills the immune system either by xray
or drugs). For a vaxx to be effective, you HAVE to have a
functioning immune system. But if your body can't produce the
anti-bodies that the jab is supposed to stimulate, the jab is
useless. The contents of the jab could introduce extra problems
that the body would be better off not fighting.

My niece said she was against the Vaccine after reading all
the 'info' online. She is a school teacher and we just
learned today that her, her husband and both of her
children have tested positive for Covid, as has every child
in the nursery school that her youngest attends. Hard to
say where it started first but this is where it ended up.
Fortunately, so far, none of her family is very sick, not a
huge surprise since they are all young and healthy and we
all know that 80% of people who get it hardly know they
have it.

The tests themselves are not 100% definitive. The tests depend
on how many "cycles" for the PCR technique is used in the lab.
The higher the number of cycles, then they can find anything!

Being tested positive, and having no symptons, could be a
pretty good indicator that the test is wrong.

My father's wife doesn't want to get it. One of her
daughters is an anti-vaxer and told her she couldn't see
her grandkids if she got it because the daughter is afraid
she could bring it to them without knowing she has it if
she's been vaxed. That, or she thinks being vaxed means
you can make other sick. Not sure.

Dear people. If you have no symptoms of cold/flu, and you are
not sneezing or coughing, then you are not spreading anything
to anyone. Meanwhile be wary of touching your hands to your
face or someone elses face before you have a chance to wash
them. But if you do have symptoms, and are coughing and
sneezing, then stay home until you get better. Simple. No jab
required.

Some people have reservations and I can respect that. I
can't help feel like I am part of someone's science
project, but that is what happens when a previously-unseen
virus becomes so prevalent.

It *is* a science project, as well as a social one that has
been politicized.

I hate wearing a mask and I hate that my shopping is
difficult or restricted due to the Covid rules. If it were
up to me, I'd take my chances and just be a little careful
of close contact, but I don't think it would be fair for me
to take my chances and possibly bring it home with me to
infect others.

How would you take it home with you? If you can avoid people
who are coughing and sneezing directly, that's probably 95% of
the problem solved right there.

One of the local shopping chains in my town has stopped the
endless wiping-down of the shopping carts. The line-ups for
the cashier are still paced and only one at a time while you
wait in a queue "one shopping cart apart from the person in
front of you".

I don't have to worry about bringing it home to someone,
but I do if I want to visit my folks. Mom and Dad both
got shot, so I am hoping we are all covered. I got it for
that reason and that I suspect they will eventually cut us
off from working from home.

You can still bring them any other kind of cold or flu - maybe
even another variant of the original one that the jab is based
on. The jab is not a shield.

Also, here, it is difficult to maintain social distancing
because people here like to get into your personal space.
We may never get to where we cannot wear masks.

Sure you can. If you or anyone else around you is not coughing
or sneezing, then they are not spreading anything.

As long as the shot doesn't make me sick, it cannot hurt
me as much as the people around me could.

That's the mantra they want you to believe. But those jab
drugs are totally experimental and long-term conditions have
not been identified.

I'll do whatever I can to try to stop it from spreading and
maybe if everyone does that then it will die out like all
the other Pandemics a little sooner.

If you feel sickly, stay home. If you are coughing or
sneezing, stay home.

I hope so. I try to also. Someone reminded me the other
day that the Spanish Flu lasted about 3-4 years so, at
that rate, we may not be quite half-way through this yet.

Even in 1918 the importance of washing hands and avoiding
touching face (eyes and mouth) may have not been stressed
enough.

I literally feel more sick of the lockdown measures and the
restrictions of movement and the financial consequences that
result of my not being able to earn a normal living with my biz
than I would from having to cope with a flu that has a 99%
survival rate.

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Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun May 09 2021 12:00 pm

Here in Spain the Government encouraged protests during the
start of the outbreak. I have heard from Asian people that
some sutheast Asian countries believe we are a bunch of
fools since then. I can't blame them.

I'm surprised to hear that your gov't would encourge protests!

But.. hopefully, people who have colds/flus stay home. :/

The government encourages anti-system protests quite often. It is mind numbing.

"Let's protest against police brutality" when your minister is the one commanding the police. No contradiction in such maneuvers. Ad for some reason nobody thinks it is weird.

As for people getting infected and then carrying on with their lives as if nothing happened, we had a case of an old dude who got diagnosed with the virus and told to stay home. He took a plane to a beach location because he wanted to have some vacation, virus be damned. He got half the plane infected and then he died of the virus soon after arrival.

Spain is different.

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If people would just stay home when they develop symptoms of

>cold/flu then "it" wouldn't run rampant.

I suppose the only problem with that is that close to 80% of people who get it show no symptoms. It's true that they are less likely to spread it if they are not coughing and sneezing but you may have heard that people yelling at sporting events or singing in church were spreading it as effectively as those who had the more obvious symptoms.

There a couple of large chain grocery stores in my town. One of

>them stopped the endless wiping-down of the carts after each
>return. People just return the carts to the front door where
>they are typically stacked up, and the next person just takes
>what's there.

Yes, how thorough they are here at any of the stores is hit and miss as well. Fortunately it's a little harder to pick up the virus from surfaces than it is from droplets in the air. It's not impossible but it is less likely.

If the sick would stay home, "it" would die off before it gets a

>chance to keep spreading.

In theory, if everyone in the world stayed home for 2 weeks, it would be gone by the end of that time. The only problem with that idea is the ones that
came down with a severe case of it would have to be transported to hospital
and that would cause extra exposures.

Areas that had very high counts of Covid, such as in California, after a large percentage of the population had been vaccinated saw the new case numbers drop by over 60% in a few weeks, long before the vaccine even had time to be fully effective, which takes about 6 weeks. Likely a lot of those had only had a single shot which is more like 55% effective at best, so it sounds like the vaccine is working to some extent even on the newer Variants. It will take a while but it sounds like some progress is being made.
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Also, here, it is difficult to maintain social distancing
because people here like to get into your personal space.
We may never get to where we cannot wear masks.

Sure you can. If you or anyone else around you is not coughing
or sneezing, then they are not spreading anything.

I don't think you are picturing it right. They stand close enough you can
feel them breathing on you. Closer than I would like any stranger to be.
If they could share the same space that I am in, they would. They have no sense of personal space or boundaries.

You are thinking they actually stand a sneeze or cough apart... not so!

I literally feel more sick of the lockdown measures and the
restrictions of movement and the financial consequences that
result of my not being able to earn a normal living with my biz
than I would from having to cope with a flu that has a 99%
survival rate.

I can get that. If I owned a biz that depended on foot traffic, our state government would have put me out of business by now. That is, if I was a mom-and-pop. If I was a big-box, apparently my store is 100% safe.

I didn't respond to a lot of your message because you seemed to be
responding to things that Rob wrote.

Mike

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I literally feel more sick of the lockdown measures and the
restrictions of movement and the financial consequences that
result of my not being able to earn a normal living with my biz
than I would from having to cope with a flu that has a 99%
survival rate.

No doubt, there is absolutely no reason to continue to mandate masks around here anymore. There is plenty of vaccine and people have had plenty of time to get it if they want. At least some states in the US have long ditched it.

Around here, that is the only real restriction left. Bars are packed, people are everywhere, and most people have moved on. The media and governments will keep it going for rating and power and control as long as possible, though. At least in the areas where there is big government.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 10.05.21 - 09:45, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

As for people getting infected and then carrying on with
their lives as if nothing happened, we had a case of an old
dude who got diagnosed with the virus and told to stay
home. He took a plane to a beach location because he wanted
to have some vacation, virus be damned. He got half the
plane infected and then he died of the virus soon after
arrival.

Could it be possible that someone ELSE was already sick with
flu too when they got on the plane? Is every case of infection
only ONE person as a source? Perhaps not. So.. maybe it's not
fair to scapegoat ONE old dude.

Granted.. it was disrespectful to board a plane whilst ill.

Spain is different.

How did the case of all residents and careworkers dying in the
care facility in Spain AFTER receiving the jab pan out?

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I don't see how it 'profits' any gov't to keep Covid going

> >> or to give people Vaccines they don't need given the many
> >> millions of dollars spent in support of the sick and the
> >> loss in tax revenues with many businesses operating at a
> >> fraction of their normal capacity or not at all.

This is why the control aspect of the public seems to be the

>primary purpose of the project. This will be my 2yr of
>reporting losses in my biz. Meanwhile I have to manage to
>scrape by - somehow.

I don't see the benefits of 'controling' people at a cost of Billions of dollars. I'd wager the governments want this to be over as quickly as possible so they can get back to ripping us off for the full amount of taxes.

..My sister got it 2 weeks ago and had headaches for 2 or 3

> >> days and was nauseous for part of one day, and then fine
> >> afterwards. She is not in great health and has immunity
> >> issues due to cancer treatments a few years back which
> >> might explain her stronger reaction.

I learned that it is NOT a good idea to take the jab if you

>have a compromised immused system

I'm sure that's true to a point. The vaccine likely won't do you any harm, obviously we can't be certain at this point, but if you are in poor health, getting the virus will almost certainly land you in a hospital or a coffin.

My niece said she was against the Vaccine after reading all

> >> the 'info' online. She is a school teacher and we just
> >> learned today that her, her husband and both of her
> >> children have tested positive for Covid, as has every child
> >> in the nursery school that her youngest attends.

The tests themselves are not 100% definitive.

No, they are not, especially the 'fast' tests. But they say from experience that a negative result is about 90% likely to be correct where a positive result is only about 60% correct, so retesting a positive is needed unless you just assume it's right and stay isolated for 2 weeks.
Kids rarely show symptoms and my niece's husband finally came down with a
fever and was feeling lousy so it definitely sounds like he has it.

Being tested positive, and having no symptons, could be a

>pretty good indicator that the test is wrong.

They say that 80% of those who get it show almost no symptoms, but they can still spread it around to anyone else who gets close to them.

Dear people. If you have no symptoms of cold/flu, and you are

>not sneezing or coughing, then you are not spreading anything
>to anyone.

Less likely to spread it but they know that yelling and singing is almost as good as sneezing at spreading it to someone within 6 or 8 feet. Even talking
is not all that safe. That said, tests have shown that a sneeze can spread it to about 17 feet, even over top of the isles in a grocery store.

If it were

> >> up to me, I'd take my chances and just be a little careful
> >> of close contact, but I don't think it would be fair for me
> >> to take my chances and possibly bring it home with me to
> >> infect others.

How would you take it home with you? If you can avoid people

>who are coughing and sneezing directly, that's probably 95% of
>the problem solved right there.

That assumption is how it has spread as fast as it has. Do you really think these gatherings where hundreds of people come down with Covid a few days
later were filled with people sneezing all over each other? Even those who don't want to be careful for themselves would likely avoid anyone who was obviously showing symptoms.

I literally feel more sick of the lockdown measures and the

>restrictions of movement and the financial consequences that
>result of my not being able to earn a normal living with my biz
>than I would from having to cope with a flu that has a 99%
>survival rate.

But a lot more than 1% end up in hospital for days or weeks costing someone thousands of dollars a day. It's not just the deaths that are a problem, plus it helps to now and then ask yourself what 1% of your countries population is and if that's a 'reasonable' price to pay to open things up too quickly.

I feel for the regular people out there suffering financial difficulties on
top of all the other issues. I'm retired so my pension incomes are not
in danger, other than from the effect of prices going up fairly dramatically
on a lot of items I have to purchase.

Here they have been paying people about $2000 a month if they want to stay
home because they 'don't feel safe at work'. It was a great idea but it's amazing how many have taken that to mean they have a paid vacation until the subsidies finally end. An auto repair place I use has lost 75% of their staff to this. How 'unsafe' is it to be fixing a car 15 feet from someone else working on another car? But you don't have to prove things are unsafe and it's illegal to replace or fire people off work for that reason, not to mention these people who felt unsafe at work can be found most days drinking in the local bars when we are not in total shutdown. Meanwhile the owner of the place is barely surviving due to a lack of business while customers have to wait
6 to 8 weeks for an appointment because there are not enough mechanics
working.
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Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: August Abolins to Arelor on Tue May 11 2021 07:31 am

As for people getting infected and then carrying on with
their lives as if nothing happened, we had a case of an old
dude who got diagnosed with the virus and told to stay
home. He took a plane to a beach location because he wanted
to have some vacation, virus be damned. He got half the
plane infected and then he died of the virus soon after
arrival.

Could it be possible that someone ELSE was already sick with
flu too when they got on the plane? Is every case of infection
only ONE person as a source? Perhaps not. So.. maybe it's not
fair to scapegoat ONE old dude.

Back then, we were starting so we actually were tracking cases, and I think it unlikely tht there was
more people infected with covid other than the old dude.

As for people dying in nursing homes and the like, there is radio silence in that front as far as I am
aware. Which is weird because at least one nursing home had all the workers leave and abandon the old
people in it to die during the first days of the outbreak. It was super-sucky.

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Re: Sinovac Vaccine
By: Rob Mccart to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue May 11 2021 12:52 am

This is why the control aspect of the public seems to be the

>primary purpose of the project. This will be my 2yr of
>reporting losses in my biz. Meanwhile I have to manage to
>scrape by - somehow.

I don't see the benefits of 'controling' people at a cost of Billions of dollars. I'd wager the
governments want this to be over as quickly as possible so they can get back to ripping us off for the
full amount of taxes.

"Governments" don't want anything. They are just groups of people. The individual members of the
government are the ones who want things.

I don't dispute it is in the best interest of most people for the pandemic to be over, and in fact it may
also be of the best interest to most members of government. However, you can bet many members of
government are making big bucks out of the crisis, or taking the chance to talk trash about other
politicians, or (in Spain's case) take advantage of emergency powers to pass rules that would not make it
in ordinary circumsptances.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Tuesday 11.05.21 - 10:21, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

As for people dying in nursing homes and the like, there is
radio silence in that front as far as I am aware. Which is
weird because at least one nursing home had all the workers
leave and abandon the old people in it to die during the
first days of the outbreak. It was super-sucky.

Any updates to this story:

https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia- barrios-provoca-46-muertes-coronavirus-
202102040941_noticia.html

https://tinyurl.com/yzh4lsb9

There were similar nursing home situations here in Ontario
about a year ago, but that was before any vaxx available. The
care-givers simply walked away leaving residents to dehydrate
wallow in their own feces. The Canadian army was called in to
do the best they could to help.
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Hello Mark!

18 Apr 21 10:23, you wrote to August Abolins:

Unfortunately I don't see that happening in the US due to slo-moe-Joe
- the meat puppet in there. The people controlling slo-moe Joe want
to keep their power and control over everyone by keeping this going, keeping the media pumping out things to divide people, and making
people think they need the government to "keep them safe". Pure crap.

With our "commander-in-thief" pulling troops out of Israel, I could see WWIII happening within Biden's term. With China, Russia, and Iran taking advantage of the now week-kneed United States' foreign policy, the crap is going to hit the fan soon.

Later,
Sean


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Hello Arelor!

16 May 21 05:50, you wrote to me:

Muslim fudamentalists are like sharks. They smell blood in the water
and they know when somebody is weak enough to pray on him. Without dedicated support from the US they are bound to start messing in the Middle East.

It's not just Muslim fundies. It's the Chinese. It's the Russians. Hell, even the Norks are getting their licks in insulting Biden. Combine that with our weak "allies" and it's a perfect recipe for war.

Later,
Sean


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Hello Mike!

16 May 21 09:56, you wrote to me:

China with India and Taiwan
Russia with the Ukraine/Crimea
Iran/Hamas with Israel

All of the above and more. Don't forget China's recent "invasion" of Africa.

Yep, sure can see it. Funny considering the Bad Orange Man was no
good with diplomacy, or so they said during the campaign...

He just negotiated peace deals with Israel and the UAE (off the top of my head). No big deal.

Democrats are big warhawks because of their dependency on the MIC.

Later,
Sean


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Hello Steve!

16 May 21 11:02, you wrote to Arelor:

Why the US? Why not Britain, Russia or even China? Why is it always
the US? Let someone else fight those religious fanatic lunatics.

Because it's in our national interest to keep terrorists out of our country. You may not realize it but Britain and Russia already are fighting malcontents and cooperating with us. It's in any free person's interest to work together to keep those lunatics at bay the best we can.

Later,
Sean


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Hello August!

16 May 21 14:04, you wrote to Steve Wolf:

Military size and diversity of toys?

Believe it or not, Russia and China have larger militaries currently than the US because our commander-in-thief is spending the US military's budget elsewhere by paying off frenemies.

Joe Biden is just Obama's third term.

Later,
Sean


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Hello Arelor!

16 May 21 14:54, you wrote to Steve Wolf:

Because last time Russia had trouble with muslim fanatics they gassed
a whole theatre and then burned a forest down with an helicopter
strike in retaliation.

You have to hand it to Russia: they don't fuck around when it comes to that stuff though it's with an overly heavy hand.

And last time China had trouble with some muslim community, there was
an "spontaneous folk uprising" and some muslim neighbourhoods were
burnt to the ground.

Same with China but I suspect they're even worse than Russia.

UK and France have had (and are already having) their issues with
domestic islamists, on the other hand.

Most of their problems are self-inflicted by bleeding heart liberal governments letting everyone and their dog into their countries ... much like how Germany is now having "buyer's remorse" over its (lack of) immigration policies.

Later,
Sean


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Hello Rob Mccart!

** On Tuesday 11.05.21 - 00:52, Rob Mccart wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

I learned that it is NOT a good idea to take the jab if
you have a compromised immused system

I'm sure that's true to a point. The vaccine likely won't
do you any harm, obviously we can't be certain at this
point, but if you are in poor health, getting the virus
will almost certainly land you in a hospital or a coffin.

At a 98%+ recovery rate, that certainty isn't so certain as you
may think.

[...] and my niece's husband finally came down with a
fever and was feeling lousy so it definitely sounds like
he has it.

Why not confirm that with a test that identifies the ant-bodies
for it?

Being tested positive, and having no symptons, could be a
pretty good indicator that the test is wrong.

They say that 80% of those who get it show almost no
symptoms, but they can still spread it around to anyone
else who gets close to them.

ANYONE can still spread it, including the vaxx'd.

Dear people. If you have no symptoms of cold/flu, and you
are not sneezing or coughing, then you are not spreading
anything to anyone.

Less likely to spread it but they know that yelling and
singing is almost as good as sneezing at spreading it to
someone within 6 or 8 feet. Even talkingis not all that
safe. That said, tests have shown that a sneeze can spread
it to about 17 feet, even over top of the isles in a
grocery store.

That 17' may be a physical possibility with no inhibitions, but
it would most likely be unrealistic. Most people would either
stifle a sneeze internally, or cover up a sneeze.

That assumption is how it has spread as fast as it has. Do
you really think these gatherings where hundreds of people
come down with Covid a few days later were filled with
people sneezing all over each other?

I have reservations on how the "cases" are determined and
declared. It is entirely possible that the numbers that the
media spews out are over-exaggeratted.

I literally feel more sick of [...] my not being able to
earn a normal living with my biz than I would from having
to cope with a flu that has a 99% survival rate.

But a lot more than 1% end up in hospital for days or
weeks costing someone thousands of dollars a day. It's not
just the deaths that are a problem, plus it helps to now
and then ask yourself what 1% of your countries population
is and if that's a 'reasonable' price to pay to open
things up too quickly.

Don't forget to add people who died from their not having the
necessary surguries and hospital attention they needed for
other ailments.

I feel for the regular people out there suffering
financial difficulties on top of all the other issues. I'm
retired so my pension incomes are not in danger, [...]

Right. At least you don't to worry whether you will have
SOMETHING in your wallet every month. I had to scramble to
reduce costs all across the board: lights off, heat off,
hotwater-tank off, small coffe-room refrigerator off, etc..

[...] other than from the effect of prices going up fairly
dramatically on a lot of items I have to purchase.

I am poised to rise prices (or at least not offer additional
discounts) for people who work in the banking and credit card
industries.

Here they have been paying people about $2000 a month if
they want to stay home because they 'don't feel safe at
work'. It was a great idea but it's amazing how many have
taken that to mean they have a paid vacation [...]

Yes.. it's a mess.

[...] An auto repair place I use has lost 75% of their
staff to this. How 'unsafe' is it to be fixing a car 15
feet from someone else working on another car?

The subsidy programme are almost designed to be taken advantage
of.

[...] these people who felt unsafe at work can be found
most days drinking in the local bars when we are not in
total shutdown.

Again.. people will find a way to get that $2000 whether they
need it or not.

Meanwhile the owner of the place is barely surviving due
to a lack of business while customers have to wait 6 to 8
weeks for an appointment because there are not enough
mechanics working.

I don't think the garages here were struggling. Maybe some
scheduled repairs were delayed, but the garages have not been
at the brink of bankruptcy or anything so serious. Employers
with payroll received about 80% subsidies to help retain the
employees they needed at any one time. Those large incorporated
or limited companies qualified for 0% financing.
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