Hi everyone,

I spent an hour or so tonight learning something: do not buy computers with Broadcom chips in them if you want to use anything other than Windows on it.

I am using a little HP Z210 workstation with a little i3 and formerly 4GB of RAM with a 500GB HD. I also have a HP EliteDesk 705 SFF (i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB
HD). I decided to swap out the hard drives between computers. It's worked before: since Linux runs completely in RAM, I've successfully moved the same Linux install between computers with ease.

Not this time.

This time, the EliteDesk didn't have any network. Even after searching on
my phone and Google and putting in the right driver (tg3), it didn't work.
I spent a good 30 minutes going around Google, doing this and that, without
any success.

So I gave up.

I looked in a box of various computer-y parts and things that I brought with
me to the apartment and I found a 4GB stick of RAM that would fit in the EliteDesk. I then swapped the 8GB of RAM for that 4GB stick in the
EliteDesk and stuck that 8GB into the Z210.

The Z210 is working great ... better than before. It's definitely breathing easier when I watch a stream on Twitch via Chrome and do other work.

Lesson learned: be a lot more picky about buying computer equipment. Generally, if I stick to mainstream Intel stuff, I'm pretty good, like this Z210 is all Intel.

Sure, I wasted a few hours but really gets me is having a computer I can't
use ... I paid $250 for that EliteDesk and it works nicely with Windows ...
but you can't use anything else on it.

I think I might give it to one of my parents if they will have it. If not,
I might sell it and get me a Z800 workstation off of eBay. Those Z800s are monsters but they are built like tanks.

Later,
Sean

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Sean Dennis wrote to All <=-

This time, the EliteDesk didn't have any network. Even after searching
on my phone and Google and putting in the right driver (tg3), it didn't work. I spent a good 30 minutes going around Google, doing this and
that, without any success.

While not a real solution, you can always take the lazy way out (my way) and plug a USB network card in there. My "Server" is hooked up via a USB wifi
card as I am no longer able to run cat 5 around the apartment due to an agreement with Andrea. ;)

So I gave up.

Yup. I fixed her laptop the same way... windows but the internal wifi started acting like an asshole, so I plugged a USB one in and said "Don't pull this
doo hickey out."

Shawn

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Re: Lesson learned
By: Sean Dennis to All on Tue Jun 01 2021 08:38 pm

Hi everyone,

I spent an hour or so tonight learning something: do not buy computers with Broadcom chips in them if you want to use anything other than Windows on it.

I am using a little HP Z210 workstation with a little i3 and formerly 4GB of RAM with a 500GB HD. I also have a HP EliteDesk 705 SFF (i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB HD). I decided to swap out the hard drives between computers. It's worked before: since Linux runs completely in RAM, I've successfully moved the same Linux install between computers with ease.

Not this time.

This time, the EliteDesk didn't have any network. Even after searching on my phone and Google and putting in the right driver (tg3), it didn't work.
I spent a good 30 minutes going around Google, doing this and that, without any success.

So I gave up.

I looked in a box of various computer-y parts and things that I brought with me to the apartment and I found a 4GB stick of RAM that would fit in the EliteDesk. I then swapped the 8GB of RAM for that 4GB stick in the EliteDesk and stuck that 8GB into the Z210.

The Z210 is working great ... better than before. It's definitely breathing easier when I watch a stream on Twitch via Chrome and do other work.

Lesson learned: be a lot more picky about buying computer equipment. Generally, if I stick to mainstream Intel stuff, I'm pretty good, like this Z210 is all Intel.

Sure, I wasted a few hours but really gets me is having a computer I can't use ... I paid $250 for that EliteDesk and it works nicely with Windows ... but you can't use anything else on it.

I think I might give it to one of my parents if they will have it. If not, I might sell it and get me a Z800 workstation off of eBay. Those Z800s are monsters but they are built like tanks.

Later,
Sean

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Too bad you didn't get it to work.

I source most of my computers from a second hand dealer. You can have some Optiplex computers for 30 bucks the piece. I even get my computers for work there. More often than not they work, and if they don't, I am off only 30 bucks :-)

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Too bad you didn't get it to work.

I could get it to work if I did a full fresh install of Slackware. I was trying to avoid it but I guess I will do it. I will do a VMware
physical->VM conversion of the Windows 10 install on it. I really need virtualization so I can cross-compile my doors.

I source most of my computers from a second hand dealer. You can have some Optiplex computers for 30 bucks the piece. I even get my computers for
work
there. More often than not they work, and if they don't, I am off only 30 bucks

I would also if there were any up here. The closest for me is "Little
India" in Norcross (Atlanta area), a four hour drive southwest. I prefer HP equipment since I am a certified factory tech for their business desktops
and laptops (my cert has expired but the knowledge hasn't) and I own all HP equipment.

Later,
Sean

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Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I source most of my computers from a second hand dealer. You can have
some Optiplex computers for 30 bucks the piece. I even get my computers for work there. More often than not they work, and if they don't, I am
off only 30 bucks :-)

I liked being the IT guy at a small company, trying to make do with a too- small budget. I'd buy second-hand off-lease computers, increase the RAM and run a company's network on a shoestring budget. Or buy 10 systems and make them into 7 working systems maxxed out for RAM, with the best video cards
out of the lot, and 3 spare parts machines.

Alas, I can't afford to work at those companies anymore. :)







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Kurt Weiske wrote to Arelor:

Alas, I can't afford to work at those companies anymore. :)

You've become too used to the good life? <G>

I would love to be the IT guy at a small company again if I could.

Later,
Sean



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On 04 Jun 2021, Sean Dennis said the following...

Alas, I can't afford to work at those companies anymore. :)

You've become too used to the good life? <G>

Yeah, those pesky "golden handcuffs"...


Jay

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Warpslide wrote to Sean Dennis:

Yeah, those pesky "golden handcuffs"...

Having working in IT for decades, for me, those "golden handcuffs" came, at times, with a pretty high cost.

Now that I'm "retired", I have the time to do what I want ... but at the
cost of constantly being in pain and being limited physically what I can
do.

It's all a trade-off.

-- Sean


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Re: Re: Lesson learned
By: Kurt Weiske to Arelor on Thu Jun 03 2021 07:41 am

Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I source most of my computers from a second hand dealer. You can have some Optiplex computers for 30 bucks the piece. I even get my computers for work there. Mor
often than not they work, and if they don't, I am
off only 30 bucks :-)

I liked being the IT guy at a small company, trying to make do with a too- small budget. I'd bu
second-hand off-lease computers, increase the RAM and run a company's network on a shoestring
budget. Or buy 10 systems and make them into 7 working systems maxxed out for RAM, with the bes
video cards
out of the lot, and 3 spare parts machines.

Alas, I can't afford to work at those companies anymore. :)

... Overtly resist change

I don't have a bad life, multitasking for a small clinic, working for Linux News Media, and running
an ecommerce and brick and mortar store.

I tried applying for a job at big IT because I wanted to learn from within the indutry, instead of
self-learning from second-hand books and by trying to hack solutions together without any
assitence. Nowadays I don't think I would be living better had I gotten the job.

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On 04 Jun 2021, Sean Dennis said the following...

Now that I'm "retired", I have the time to do what I want ... but at the cost of constantly being in pain and being limited physically what I can do.

The tagline below comes to mind.


Jay

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Warpslide wrote to Sean Dennis:

... By the time most of us have money to burn, our fire's gone out

It's very true. However, I am physically trying to improve myself so I can
get more stamina up to do more things.

--Sean


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Arelor wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I tried applying for a job at big IT because I wanted to learn from
within the indutry, instead of
self-learning from second-hand books and by trying to hack solutions together without any
assitence. Nowadays I don't think I would be living better had I gotten the job.

I've had the pleasure of working for IT when they'd just hire you off the street if you showed a modicum of knowledge about computers and paid pretty well to do so. Now, at my age, my knowledge and age are considered
liabilities and I have been passed over for younger, less knowledgeable
people who don't know what they're worth.

Since I am disabled and can no longer work, I can keep learning and using my skills for my own needs though I still do a paying side job now and again.

Later,
Sean

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Sean Dennis wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Alas, I can't afford to work at those companies anymore. :)

You've become too used to the good life? <G>

Everyone else is used to it - mortgage, college tuition for one kid, private school for the other... :)

I would love to be the IT guy at a small company again if I could.

It's a lot of fun being able to work directly with a couple of people to get things done, and make decisions quickly. The company I'm in now is a subsidiary of a subsidiary, and while "No" comes quickly, "Yes" can take
quite a few hoops to jump through.


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Re: Re: Lesson learned
By: Sean Dennis to Arelor on Sat Jun 05 2021 10:21 am

Arelor wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I tried applying for a job at big IT because I wanted to learn from within the indutry, instead of
self-learning from second-hand books and by trying to hack solutions together without any
assitence. Nowadays I don't think I would be living better had I gotten the job.

I've had the pleasure of working for IT when they'd just hire you off the street if you showed a
modicum of knowledge about computers and paid pretty well to do so. Now, at my age, my knowledg
and age are considered
liabilities and I have been passed over for younger, less knowledgeable people who don't know what they're worth.

Since I am disabled and can no longer work, I can keep learning and using my skills for my own
needs though I still do a paying side job now and again.

Later,
Sean

... If we can't fix it, it ain't broke.

HAHA, recruitment techniques in big tech are weird.

Nominally, I see a mix of job offers that belongs to one of two categories: either they demand
impossible qualitications (3 years of experience with tech that has been aroudn for 1), or they get
people with zero training and promise to train you on the go, for close to no pay.

HP Printing is doing a lot of the later. The issue with that is that once you train people, they
leave your shitty firm :-) IN the case of HP Printing, there are deeper issues involved. I have
known of people leaving HP for firms that paid *less*.

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Everyone else is used to it - mortgage, college tuition for one kid, private school for the other... :)

I understand that completely. I miss the excellent medical/dental/vision insurance I had while working for the second contractor when I was at John Deere. That and being able to afford a car payment.

I was teasing gently; more is always better even if the stress and workload increase. I do miss working in a lot of ways but in a few ways it's good to
be free of that.

It's a lot of fun being able to work directly with a couple of people
to get things done, and make decisions quickly. The company I'm in now
is a subsidiary of a subsidiary, and while "No" comes quickly, "Yes"
can take quite a few hoops to jump through.

I understand that also. Working with huge corporations just means that much more red tape and frustration to get things done and, in some cases, an even smaller budget to work with.

Later,
Sean

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Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

HP Printing is doing a lot of the later. The issue with that is that
once you train people, they leave your shitty firm :-) IN the case of
HP Printing, there are deeper issues involved. I have known of people

Ar leaving HP for firms that paid *less*.

I used to work for HP as a contractor for a very large healthcare
organization contract here in my area. Two of us supported hundreds of HP PageWide Pro 477dw printers mainly with smatterings of LaserJet and
OfficeJet printers. Those PageWide printers are steaming pieces of crap. I spent more time hefting around new bodies for the PageWide series (50 pounds
a piece) because you can't replace the printheads out in the field!

Some HP salesman somewhere sold this organization a bill of goods about
these terrible printers. Why the hell an organization this large (covering
29 counties in three states) would buy -inkjets- instead of laser printers
is beyond me.

HP also treats its technicians like crap, spreading them too far and thin in
a service area with unrealistic expectations when we, the technicians, have
to rely on a shoddy support system for repair equipment and information.

I'm glad I'm no longer working at that position.

A funny story: I worked very closely with a printer engineer who helped to design the PageWide series (and regretted being involved). He was also involved in the design of my printer, a HP OfficeJet 4630. He told me to
never get rid of my printer because it was the "last of the printers built
to last. I've had this printer since 2008 and it's served me very well.

Later,
Sean

P.S. I found that specific printer on Amazon and as I was looking at the printer, I realized I still remember how to strip down that printer to the
bare chassis to swap the carcasses out ... some things you just don't forget after it's been seared into your memory.

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I think I might give it to one of my parents if they will have it. If
not, I might sell it and get me a Z800 workstation off of eBay. Those
Z800s are monsters but they are built like tanks.

I have one of those Z800s and they are monsters for a workstation. Basically a server in a different form factor.

Mine has (2) Xeon processors and a good deal of memory slots. They are typically used for CAD, imaging, and other really high end workstation stuff.

The only different between it and my Supermicro servers is the Z800 has way less drive bays and less memory slots. Also, I don't think the Z800 has iLo/IPMI or any type of lights out management.

- Mark


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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis:

I have one of those Z800s and they are monsters for a workstation. Basically a server in a different form factor.

That's what I want it for since I do development and SDR (software-defined radio).

The only different between it and my Supermicro servers is the Z800 has way less drive bays and less memory slots. Also, I don't think the Z800 has iLo/IPMI or any type of lights out management.

My BBS server, a HP ProLiant ML110 G6, does have iLo (thanks for reminding
me; I need to get iLo set up). I would dearly love a Z800 for my own
personal workstation. Someday. <G>

-- Sean



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Sean Dennis wrote to Arelor <=-

told me to never get rid of my printer because it was the "last of the printers built to last. I've had this printer since 2008 and it's
served me very well.

I bought my Lexmark x340 in 2006, it's still the main printer here and Andrea prints a /lot/ of crap when she's in school. I've had it serviced once and the guy who did it (has moved on to owning a brewary now) gave me his cell phone and said it's the only printer he'll repair now because those of us who still use them know exactly how good the beast is.

Unfortunaly the scanner no longer works as it uses a java based web app that runs on a secondary network port. I can force it to work by booting a windows XP virtual machine and using IE 6, but it got to be a pain so I bought a inkjet printer I use as a scanner since the ink dried out in it. LOL

Shawn

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Sean,

That's what I want it for since I do development and SDR
(software-defined radio).

I thought it was spousally declined radio. <G>

Daryl, WX4QZ

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Having working in IT for decades, for me, those "golden handcuffs" came,
at times, with a pretty high cost.

Now that I'm "retired", I have the time to do what I want ... but at the cost of constantly being in pain and being limited physically what I can do.

It's all a trade-off.

Yes, I agree. I have worked in IT non-stop since 18 years old. I try to find a happy medium - which isn't always easy.

Some of the places that have the golden noose will work you to death, non-stop after hours calling, weekend and night work all the time, etc. That is not for me, anymore. I used to think that was exciting when I was younger, but not so much anymore.

- Mark

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I tried applying for a job at big IT because I wanted to learn from within the indutry, instead of
self-learning from second-hand books and by trying to hack solutions together without any
assitence. Nowadays I don't think I would be living better had I gotten
the job.

That is exactly how I started. Everyone learns differently, but I learn the best by doing and hands on.

- Mark

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Since I am disabled and can no longer work, I can keep learning and using my skills for my own needs though I still do a paying side job now and again.

One thing that has changed in IT since the virus is the excelleration to working remote - permanantly. Lots more opportunities for full time remote work/support where you can work anywhere in the country.

I have always liked this idea as it breaks that state barrier where you can live in a less expensive state and work for a company in a high cost state and maximize your cost of living. I think long term, this normalizes the cost of living since there will be so many options to work anywhere no matter where you live.

- Mark

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Re: Re: Lesson learned
By: Mark Hofmann to Arelor on Mon Jun 07 2021 08:40 am

I tried applying for a job at big IT because I wanted to learn from withi the indutry, instead of
self-learning from second-hand books and by trying to hack solutions together without any
assitence. Nowadays I don't think I would be living better had I gotten the job.

That is exactly how I started. Everyone learns differently, but I learn the best by doing and hands on.

- Mark

My concern is that when you are the only guy doing IT in the house, you may work for a decade doing horrible things, and since you have nobody to tell you you are messing up, you never become a real IT guy. Just a dude deploying services one after another until everything breaks :-)

This is why I had high hopes on that job back in the day.

I have been exposed to some well intentioned amateur code as of late, and the first thing I thought from reading it was "Oh, the Horror!" As it turns out,
it was produced by self-learning people... and I always wonder which sort of messups I am creating without me realizing.

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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Some of the places that have the golden noose will work you to death, non-stop after hours calling, weekend and night work all the time, etc.
That is not for me, anymore. I used to think that was exciting when I was younger, but not so much anymore.

There was a time when I was siting late one night in a colo facility, cross- legged on the floor, feet going to sleep from sitting on a concrete floor, serial cable from my laptop plugged into a router, debugging a network
issue. I looked over and saw kids 20 years younger doing the same thing and thought "I'm too old for this".

Since then, I started managing larger teams. I've done a lot of office
moves, and my teams were the customer-facing support teams. I'd be there
with them long after the other technical managers had left. a couple of
times they'd call me asking my teams to take care of things they should have been in the office taking care of. At least I was sitting in an office chair and expensing pizza and soft drinks for the move teams...




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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

One thing that has changed in IT since the virus is the excelleration
to working remote - permanantly. Lots more opportunities for full time remote work/support where you can work anywhere in the country.

If you're in the market for real estate in Silicon Valley, it's a buyers market now. I work in the valley and took a drive around my most recent time in the office. I'd say almost every office complex has a for lease sign up - one had 1 million square feet, build to suit!

I have always liked this idea as it breaks that state barrier where you can live in a less expensive state and work for a company in a high
cost state and maximize your cost of living. I think long term, this normalizes the cost of living since there will be so many options to
work anywhere no matter where you live.

I've seen some interesting policies. VMWare is offering a move stipend for people to move out of areas like Silicon Valley, but lowering salaries if
you move out of the area and move to remote only.

The editor of a media company recently said that some employees preferred to work remotely, and since they weren't part of the chemistry of their
office, which everyone should want to come to and collaborate, should be considered contractors and lose benefits.

She's already had to walk that statement back, let's see how long she lasts.


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Kurt Weiske wrote to Mark Hofmann:

The editor of a media company recently said that some employees preferred to
work remotely, and since they weren't part of the chemistry of their office, which everyone should want to come to and collaborate, should be considered contractors and lose benefits.

What an elitist thing to say. Maybe her boss could make her job a
contractor position.

She's already had to walk that statement back, let's see how long she lasts.

I'd hope not too long. What a bitch.

-- Sean



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My BBS server, a HP ProLiant ML110 G6, does have iLo (thanks for
reminding me; I need to get iLo set up). I would dearly love a Z800 for
my own personal workstation. Someday. <G>

iLo is great except for the fact that HP wants a license fee to enable it. I don't remember that being the case iLo was in the Compaq servers.

IPMI is basically the same thing but a different name that is in Supermicro servers. I even have an app on my phone that shows me how my power realtime my servers are using and can monitor the sensors on it. You can remotely power it on/off, etc, too of course.

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Mark Hofmann wrote to Sean Dennis:

iLo is great except for the fact that HP wants a license fee to enable it.

I don't remember that being the case iLo was in the Compaq servers.

My iLo works just fine but I have forgotten the password. I have to look at the iLo manual and figure out where the switch is on the motherboard on my server to reset it.

IPMI is basically the same thing but a different name that is in Supermicro servers. I even have an app on my phone that shows me how my power realtime my servers are using and can monitor the sensors on it. You can remotely power it on/off, etc, too of course.

In the BIOS on my server, it is called IPMI. The only place you see iLo mentioned on the computer is the extra NIC on the motherboard that has "iLO" silkscreened on the outside of the case next to that port.

I want to get that enabled since I am hoping to, eventually, volunteer a lot
at various agencies to help out the homeless and veterans and I'd like to
have the ability to have more control over the server when I am out.

I have to say that for $114 (including shipping from the Atlanta area), I've discovered I got quite the deal.

Now to afford a Z800 and I will be set. :D

-- Sean



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In the BIOS on my server, it is called IPMI. The only place you see iLo mentioned on the computer is the extra NIC on the motherboard that has "iLO" silkscreened on the outside of the case next to that port.

Interesting.. The first time I ever saw this technology was back in the 1990s with Compaq and iLo. Since then, I have seem more companies call their "brand" of the same thing IPMI.

Not all Supermicro motherboards support IPMI, but I made sure that the ones I used do have it. In a pinch, I can reboot/power off/on my servers from my phone or anywhere, really if I connect via VPN.

The only times I use it right now is when I need to do a ESXi upgrade on one of my cluster servers and too lazy to walk down to the basement to turn the other on. I remotely power it on and watch it boot, remotely.

- Mark

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