• Healthcare Part 1

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 11 15:18:54 2026
    (I wrote a reply to this but it didn't get saved so I am retyping my reply.)

    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    But depending on how the question is asked, the order varies
    wildly, one site having a great many Asian countries in the
    top 10 with the USA and Canada not showing up in there at all.

    I asked Grok: "Which country has the best non-socialized medical care in the world?"

    Its response:

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    The best non-socialized medical care (meaning healthcare systems that are not primarily government-run/single-payer "socialized" models like the UK's NHS or Canada's fully public system, but instead rely heavily on private provision, insurance, competition, and individual responsibility) is most convincingly found in Singapore.Singapore's system is widely regarded as one of the world's top performers overall -- often ranking in the global top 10 across various 2025-2026 indices for quality, efficiency, outcomes (e.g., life expectancy,
    low infant mortality), and cost control -- while being built on a
    fundamentally private-oriented framework with mandatory personal savings (MediSave), universal catastrophic insurance (MediShield Life), significant out-of-pocket payments/co-pays to discourage overuse, and heavy reliance on private providers for much of primary and specialist care.


    Why Singapore Stands Out for "Non-Socialized" Care

    Private sector dominance in delivery: About 80% of primary/outpatient care happens in private GP clinics, and private hospitals compete directly with public ones. Public hospitals exist and are subsidized for citizens, but the system incentivizes efficiency and competition rather than full government control.

    Market-like mechanisms: Patients pay substantial portions themselves (via savings accounts or cash), creating price sensitivity. Providers must compete on quality and cost to attract patients, avoiding the long waits or rationing often seen in more centralized systems.

    Outcomes and efficiency: Singapore achieves world-class results (e.g., among the highest life expectancies and lowest costs as % of GDP for high-quality care) without the high taxation or bureaucracy of fully socialized models.

    Global reputation: It's frequently praised as a model for blending private choice with strong regulatory oversight to keep costs down while maintaining elite standards -- something even critics of "socialized" care often highlight positively.


    Close Contenders

    Several other systems lean heavily private or market-driven
    while still achieving high-quality care:

    Switzerland -- Mandatory private insurance from competing insurers, with patients choosing providers freely. It delivers exceptional quality (top-tier hospitals, innovation, short waits), patient choice, and outcomes, but it's notably expensive (high premiums and costs).

    United States -- The most purely private/large-market system among developed nations, with cutting-edge technology, specialist care, and innovation (especially for complex procedures). Wealthy or well-insured patients often access the absolute best available anywhere. However, it ranks poorly overall in 2025 metrics due to high costs, unequal access, administrative
    inefficiency, and worse population-level outcomes compared to peers.

    Other mentions (e.g., parts of Germany or the Netherlands) involve regulated private insurance but with stronger universal/social elements.


    Quick Comparison of Top "Non-Socialized" Options (2025-2026 Context)

    Singapore -- Best balance: elite quality + efficiency + affordability relative to
    outcomes.

    Switzerland -- Best pure quality/choice for those who can afford it.

    United States -- Best for innovation and specialized/top-tier care (if you
    have excellent coverage), but least efficient overall.

    If you're seeking the highest-quality care without a heavily socialized/government-dominated model, Singapore is the strongest consensus choice today -- delivering results that rival or exceed many universal systems while keeping the private, competitive ethos at its core.
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    -- Sean

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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Sean Dennis on Sun Jan 11 23:15:00 2026
    I asked Grok: "Which country has the best non-socialized medical care in the world?"

    [...]

    How does that compare to Chatgpt?


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 12 15:43:21 2026
    Hello August,

    11 Jan 26 23:15, you wrote to me:

    How does that compare to Chatgpt?

    I've never used ChatGPT so I wouldn't know. Always used Grok or Copilot as they are better at programming than ChatGPT.

    -- Sean

    ... Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
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  • From Mortar M.@618:250/19 to Sean Dennis on Tue Jan 13 10:02:05 2026
    Re: Healthcare Part 1
    By: Sean Dennis to August Abolins on Mon Jan 12 2026 15:43:21

    I've never used ChatGPT so I wouldn't know. Always used Grok or Copilot as they are better at programming than ChatGPT.

    If you've never used ChatGPT, what is the basis of your comparison?
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Mortar M. on Tue Jan 13 16:17:26 2026
    Hello Mortar,

    13 Jan 26 10:02, you wrote to me:

    If you've never used ChatGPT, what is the basis of your comparison?

    I'm not asking about the comparison, August is. Go ask him. Go back in the thread and read August's original message.

    -- Sean

    ... Can a frog jump higher than a house? Of course, a house can't jump.
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