• the lottery is a tax

    From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 09:30:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

    Agreed.

    The fact so many STEM people falls for it is depresing.

    I think it's hit and miss for many people. I might buy one
    from time to time, but I don't play regularly. However, I do
    see many people checking their "scratch" tickets though; I
    don't buy those.

    Someone sent me a crossword scratch ticket for Christmas.. and
    that rendered a $20 cash prize.

    I don't even remember the last time I bought a lottery ticket.
    I think it was over 8 months ago.


    I think a lot of it is social presure only. It is very
    typical in Spain for people in the workplace to pool money
    in and buy a lottery ticket for the whole office every now
    and then. If everybody is doing it and you don't
    participate, you come across as the weird sociopathic guy.

    I don't think there is much "pressure" in workplaces here in
    NA. However, I left the typical workplace back in 1996, so
    maybe I'm wrong. But there wasn't any pressure to participate
    in a lottery pool in my engineering wokplaces back then.


    I am the weird sociopathic guy, but not because I don't
    play the lottery (because I don't).

    :D



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 28 12:29:58 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 09:30 am


    Agreed.

    The fact so many STEM people falls for it is depresing.

    I think it's hit and miss for many people. I might buy one
    from time to time, but I don't play regularly. However, I do
    see many people checking their "scratch" tickets though; I
    don't buy those.


    i knew a guy who would win hundreds of dollars on some scratchoffs he got from gasstations each month. i don't know how much he would put in, but he was showing us his winnings each week. he was really addicted to it.
    maybe he found some trick or found the right one to buy.
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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 17:19:00 2024
    Hello Digimaus!

    Here, they play it up ad additional money for the public
    education system (which in reality is just flushing it down
    the toilet).

    Similar play-it-up here (Canada) too. The lottery corp claims
    that the majority of the unclaimed prizes goes to charities and
    public programmes.


    A lot of poor people spend a good chunk of
    their government money on lottery tickets.

    I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
    income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
    She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
    would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
    housing.

    I am not sure how she navigated that.

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 28 20:13:25 2024
    August Abolins wrote to Digimaus <=-

    Similar play-it-up here (Canada) too. The lottery corp claims
    that the majority of the unclaimed prizes goes to charities and
    public programmes.

    I think here it just goes to grease people's palms.

    I am not sure how she navigated that.

    That is an interesting choice. I'd love to not be dependent on the
    government like I am now.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 28 20:40:09 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 2024 05:19 pm

    would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
    housing.

    I am not sure how she navigated that.

    she gave it to a friend and they cashed it.
    why even buy it then?

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 29 06:54:00 2024
    August Abolins wrote to Arelor <=-

    I don't even remember the last time I bought a lottery ticket.
    I think it was over 8 months ago.


    In college, during one of my club meetings, one of the members asked
    everyone for a dollar, no questions asked. He collected around 10
    dollars. The next meeting, he brought 10 scratchers, and we won around
    30 dollars. The meeting after that, he brought 30 scratchers. We ended
    up hovering around 50-60 dollars in winning, which we spent on beer
    before losing too much.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Jan 29 13:09:47 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: Kurt Weiske to August Abolins on Mon Jan 29 2024 06:54 am

    In college, during one of my club meetings, one of the members asked
    everyone for a dollar, no questions asked. He collected around 10
    dollars. The next meeting, he brought 10 scratchers, and we won around
    30 dollars. The meeting after that, he brought 30 scratchers. We ended


    someone asked you all for money and nobody asked questions?
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 2 16:46:00 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 09:30 am

    I don't think there is much "pressure" in workplaces here in
    NA. However, I left the typical workplace back in 1996, so
    maybe I'm wrong. But there wasn't any pressure to participate
    in a lottery pool in my engineering wokplaces back then.


    I don't mean actual preassure, as when they try to coerce or foce you.

    It is just one of those things that give the tribe its identity, and if you fail to do enough of them you end up market as an outsider and a weirdo.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 2 16:55:38 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 2024 05:19 pm

    I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
    income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
    She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
    would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
    housing.


    This begs the question: why do you play if you don't plan to claim the prize?

    I assume the idea is to claim the prize if it is obscene, but realistically, most prizes you get from these things are not life-changing.

    If I got a low 6-digit prize I would invest it. ¿If you put 100 grand in the proper companies you will have a base salary of 400 bucks per month on dividends alone. That does not make a living, but makes for a log of dog and horse food.

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Mon Feb 5 19:55:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Friday 02.02.24 - 16:55, Arelor wrote:

    I know someone who was/is living on disability and in low-
    income housing, and won a lottery prize in the low 6-digits.
    She opted NOT to claim the winnings. If she did, the gov't
    would take her off disability and disqualify her for low-income
    housing.


    This begs the question: why do you play if you don't plan to claim the prize?

    Maybe because the lower payouts are more frequent than the big
    ones? ..and they want to experience more frequent wins? The
    person who told me about her 6-digit winnings was not aware
    that it would impact her existing gov't handhouts.


    If I got a low 6-digit prize I would invest it. ┬┐If you
    put 100 grand in the proper companies you will have a base
    salary of 400 bucks per month on dividends alone. That does
    not make a living, but makes for a log of dog and horse
    food.

    So.. you got ANY $s in such investments? They say even a low
    $100 every now and then is enough to get started.




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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 6 12:01:47 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 05 2024 07:55 pm

    So.. you got ANY $s in such investments? They say even a low
    $100 every now and then is enough to get started.


    Well, I am a young man who has three sources of income, nearly no expenses, and lives in a country in which saving money is frowned upon and penalized, so... yeah, I am currently pumping all the money I don't have immediate use for into investments.

    Basically, I am buying:

    * Things that I will use to save money by producing things I use. For example, equipment for preserving food, equipment for growing food. You get the idea.

    * Stocks from established companies with no bullshit business plans. A company with no meaningful growth prospects that has a good payout and healthy accounting is a better buy for me than a company that grows taking money from investors in exchange of developing vaporware products. I have enough friends in IT to know most vaporware products won't materialize and the ones who do won't pay their money back to investors.

    * Things I am going to use, are going to become more expensive in the future, and I can keep in storage for a reasonable length of time (such as alcohol, solid fuels, tools).

    Ideally I will have a supplementary income big enough when I turn 40 that I could get by just on dividends from my investments and a single non-stressful job - since I don't have meaningful debts anyway - plus I will keep the capability of producing so much stuff for self-consumption if need be.

    I guess the advantage of not having a girl is you can find better uses for your money (lol)

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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Arelor on Thu Feb 22 17:27:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 06.02.24 - 12:01, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    Basically, I am buying: [...]

    * Stocks from established companies with no bullshit
    business plans. A company with no meaningful growth
    prospects that has a good payout and healthy accounting is
    a better buy for me than a company that grows taking money
    from investors in exchange of developing vaporware
    products. I have enough friends in IT to know most
    vaporware products won't materialize and the ones who do
    won't pay their money back to investors.

    Does that include NVIDIA? Its stock seems to have doubled since
    January 1, and almost went 500% since 12 months ago.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 22 18:02:30 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Feb 22 2024 05:27 pm

    Does that include NVIDIA? Its stock seems to have doubled since
    January 1, and almost went 500% since 12 months ago.

    NVIDIA is an overheated value.

    Its Price to Earnings stat isn't great - ie. each stock does not represent enough productive power from the company to be considered a great deal for the buck.

    NVIDIA has a low dividend, to the point of being non-existent.

    Generally, I regard hyped-tech companies as gambling investments. Sure, they can spike high and fix your day, but since most of them lack productive power enough to sustain their absurd prices, you can find yourself in the other end of the spectrum.

    Compare NVIDIA to an average Spanish utility company. Sure, they won't spike and make you rich, but they are cheap to buy and will pay a very good dividend for their entry price for decades to come. Consider that Spanish companies tend to pay higher dividends than American ones, by miles.

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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Arelor on Sun Feb 25 08:56:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 22.02.24 - 18:02, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    NVIDIA is an overheated value.

    Its Price to Earnings stat isn't great - ie. each stock
    does not represent enough productive power from the company
    to be considered a great deal for the buck.

    But for the last year it has produced pretty good value. a
    simple $1000 investment a year ago would be $6000 now. That's
    pretty good in my book.

    NVIDIA has a low dividend, to the point of being non-
    existent.

    Yes.. I recall your dividend approach.


    Generally, I regard hyped-tech companies as gambling
    investments. Sure, they can spike high and fix your day,
    but since most of them lack productive power enough to
    sustain their absurd prices, you can find yourself in the
    other end of the spectrum.

    But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. It's their tech that is
    behind all that is driving the AI boom.


    Compare NVIDIA to an average Spanish utility company. Sure,
    they won't spike and make you rich, but they are cheap to
    buy and will pay a very good dividend for their entry price
    for decades to come. Consider that Spanish companies tend
    to pay higher dividends than American ones, by miles.

    Ah.. and you are remaining domestic. That's probably a prudent
    approach.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 25 16:59:36 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Sun Feb 25 2024 08:56 am

    But for the last year it has produced pretty good value. a
    simple $1000 investment a year ago would be $6000 now. That's
    pretty good in my book.

    But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. It's their tech that is
    behind all that is driving the AI boom.



    Ah.. and you are remaining domestic. That's probably a prudent
    approach.


    First things first:

    The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a raise, that's great, because you can pump and dump and be done with it.

    What often happens is investors start overrating or underrating mediatic stocks based on speculation regarding what might happen to the firm next. You can make great gains jumping in with them, but the point is at that time you are gambling rather than investing.

    When you buy a stock at a higher price than the current state of the company grants, because you "know" they will control the next hyped cool thing (ie. AI) in a couple of years, you are not buying the productive value of the company as much as you are buying a hope.

    Most tech companies would take half a century or more to pay their investors back from their benefits because so many people is investing in hope rather than productive value. These investors are banking on the fact the firm will multiply its productivity so wildly and in such a short term that I think they are either bonkers or willingly playing Tulipmania.

    I don't remain domestic in my investments. I have purchased all the Spanish stock I wanted for my portfolio and now I am investing outside, because Spain sucks.

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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Arelor on Mon Feb 26 21:32:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 25.02.24 - 16:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the
    company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a
    raise, that's great, because you can pump and dump and be
    done with it.

    What often happens is investors start overrating or
    underrating mediatic stocks based on speculation regarding
    [...]

    Sounds like you have a fine grip on picking the right
    investments. You will be all set for your retirement years. :D

    I registered with an investment newsletter a log while ago, and
    NVIDIA was a recommend at least a year ago. That 500% return
    would be a nice thing right about now. There have been some
    other fine recommends when to buy and when to sell. All of
    those were good opportunities. I'm just observing their
    success rate.


    Most tech companies would take half a century or more to
    pay their investors back from their benefits because so
    many people is investing in hope rather than productive
    value. These investors are banking on the fact the firm
    will multiply its productivity so wildly and in such a
    short term that I think they are either bonkers or
    willingly playing Tulipmania.

    I think they count on the massive % increases afforded by penny
    stock. 5cents to 1dollar is a huge increase!


    I don't remain domestic in my investments. I have purchased
    all the Spanish stock I wanted for my portfolio and now I
    am investing outside, because Spain sucks.

    "Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
    some suitable foreign stock.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 27 14:10:05 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 26 2024 09:32 pm

    "Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
    some suitable foreign stock.


    I found some UK company that has operations all over Africa. It managed to get a nice spike of value right after I bought it. If I was trading and I had sold I would have made 9% in three months or so.

    The real bummer is that, according to their docs, they "respect
    the human rights of their niggers," which is a bummer because I am sure that makes the company less profitable.

    Ok ok, stop throwing tomatoes at me.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Tue Feb 27 14:19:14 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 26 2024 09:32 pm

    "Spain sucks" seems to be your mantra. Noted. Hope you find
    some suitable foreign stock.

    By the way, my real mantras are:

    "People sucks and deserves to die"

    and

    "They lits this fire, let them burn in it!"

    I like the latter because people always ignores my wise advice, does something stupid, and get bitten in the ass while I watch from afar :-P

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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Arelor on Mon Mar 4 07:36:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 25.02.24 - 16:59, Arelor wrote to August Abolins:

    But NVIDIA is supposed to be different. [...]

    First things first:

    The stock price multiplying itself by 6 does not mean the company is producing value. Obviously, if you pick such a raise, that's great,
    because you can pump and dump and be done with it.

    It's still seems to be doing quite well. Even for someone
    picking the stock since about a month ago, the price has
    climbed quite a bit.

    What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
    nice climb right now.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 4 10:48:40 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

    What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
    nice climb right now.

    i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

    I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done a little more than break even.
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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Tue Mar 5 07:59:00 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to August Abolins <=-

    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

    What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
    nice climb right now.

    i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

    I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally
    done a little more than break even.

    Investing is a marathon, not a sprint.



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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Tue Mar 5 13:42:41 2024
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Mar 04 2024 07:36 am

    What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
    nice climb right now.


    I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by the government is a great idea.

    As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Arelor on Tue Mar 5 16:56:24 2024
    To: Arelor
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: Arelor to August Abolins on Tue Mar 05 2024 01:42 pm


    I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by the government is a great idea.

    As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.


    it's not really money. it's pseudo money. it's the same as if we started using leaves as money. it's money because some people treat it like money.

    i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then cash it out into
    my govt's fake money.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Jas Hud on Tue Mar 5 20:22:00 2024
    Hello Jas Hud!

    it's not really money. it's pseudo money. it's the same as
    if we started using leaves as money. it's money because
    some people treat it like money.

    Bitcoin is not like banking with leaves. Leaves are infinite,
    bitcoin is finite. And as more and more bitcoin is mined, the
    less remains.

    But I get your meaning of pseudo money in the sense that
    practically anything could be treated as money as long as
    people agree it has value. The more people actually use a
    particular crypto for buying/selling then that is the metric
    for accepted value.

    i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then
    cash it out into my govt's fake money.

    Excellent. Sounds like you will have a nice chunk of change
    after that.

    I've been leary of the exchanges. Many have been hacked and
    people's holdings have gone missing or are nolonger accessible.
    The key would be to keep ones crypto in ones own wallet. I
    could never settle with a particular wallet program - even that
    could go tits-up if the device it's used on breaks down.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Tue Mar 5 20:53:32 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Tue Mar 05 2024 08:22 pm

    i'm going to wait until it goes up a bit more and then
    cash it out into my govt's fake money.

    Excellent. Sounds like you will have a nice chunk of change
    after that.


    i'm just looking to break even. and have extra money for the 3 years.

    I've been leary of the exchanges. Many have been hacked and
    people's holdings have gone missing or are nolonger accessible.
    The key would be to keep ones crypto in ones own wallet. I
    could never settle with a particular wallet program - even that
    could go tits-up if the device it's used on breaks down.

    i used coinbase and that's the first time my creditcard number was stolen. someone bought sports equipment from all over the country.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Jas Hud on Wed Mar 6 08:24:00 2024
    Hello Jas Hud!

    i used coinbase and that's the first time my creditcard number was
    stolen. someone bought sports equipment from all over the country.

    I take it you're using another exchange and not coinbase now? I
    fear the period of uncertainty when transferring crypto to the
    esxchange and waiting for the conversion to happen.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Arelor on Wed Mar 6 06:38:00 2024
    Arelor wrote to August Abolins <=-

    I like Cryptocurrencies as a concept. Money that is not controlled by
    the government is a great idea.

    As an investment, I am not a fan. I don't like storing my savings as "money", which includes both regular and non-regular versions of money.

    As a means of transfer, it's got some potential and you don't run into
    issues with volatility.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 6 14:39:10 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Wed Mar 06 2024 08:24 am


    I take it you're using another exchange and not coinbase now? I
    fear the period of uncertainty when transferring crypto to the
    esxchange and waiting for the conversion to happen.

    yeah i junked my data in my account and then abandoned coinbase.
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  • From August Abolins@618:400/23.10 to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 8 20:43:00 2024
    Hello Jas Hud!

    ** On Monday 04.03.24 - 10:48, Jas Hud wrote to August Abolins:

    What's your stake on cryptos? Bitcoin seems to be on another
    nice climb right now.

    i wouldn't really call it 'nice'. it's not total shit.

    I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done a little more than break even.

    Break even? That means you bought in around Nov '21 when it was
    listing around 65K$? I kinda tanked after that point and only
    started to rebound in Jan '23.

    Hang on to it. It's poised to climb much higher this year.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 8 23:14:26 2024
    To: August Abolins
    Re: the lottery is a tax
    By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 08 2024 08:43 pm


    I invested money 3 years ago and it tanked. now it's finally done

    a
    little more than break even.

    Break even? That means you bought in around Nov '21 when it was
    listing around 65K$? I kinda tanked after that point and only
    started to rebound in Jan '23.

    i last bought it in 2021. it quickly dropped to half that.
    only recently has it jumped up.

    the woman i live with lost more money, but she bought several kinds of crypto. i never really invest in crypto. i buy it and spend it.

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