• Subaru/AWD

    From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to GAMGEE on Sat Apr 23 13:15:00 2022
    My current car would be an Outback if they were not so expensive.
    Even a used one with 100K miles cost more than the car I
    currently have.

    Expensive? Subaru provides a lot of bang for the buck, in my opinion. Even a
    loaded Outback wouldn't be more than $40K, would it? I'd call that cheap, these days. You better not go looking at full size pickup trucks if you think
    that's expensive... ;-)

    It does provide bang for the buck, but those are bucks I don't have. :) I would not even bother looking at full size trucks!

    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to SEAN DENNIS on Sat Apr 23 13:15:00 2022
    subarus are for hipsters!

    Out here in East Tennessee, Subarus are popular for their AWD.

    That is why I was looking at them. Don't need it much here, but the places
    I go for vacation often involve driving on roads that are not made for sedans with low ground clearance.

    Now, some of my older RWD cars I had back several years ago that had
    adequate ground clearance could have handled them just fine but not today's.

    Mike

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 23 17:39:38 2022
    Hello Mike,

    23 Apr 22 13:15, you wrote to GAMGEE:

    It does provide bang for the buck, but those are bucks I don't have.
    :) I would not even bother looking at full size trucks!

    I discovered, much to my surprise, that my '95 Nissan Pathfinder XE 4WD SUV is rated by my scooter manufacturer to carry my scooter and a lift (class III hitch). So the next vehicle I get I want to be able to carry the scooter too though the 2022 Nissan Versa S (I had a 2016 that got totaled in Feburary 2019) is nice for an in-town and short-trip car.

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 23 20:39:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    My current car would be an Outback if they were not so expensive.
    Even a used one with 100K miles cost more than the car I
    currently have.

    Expensive? Subaru provides a lot of bang for the buck, in my opinion. Even
    a
    loaded Outback wouldn't be more than $40K, would it? I'd call that cheap, these days. You better not go looking at full size pickup trucks if you
    think
    that's expensive... ;-)

    It does provide bang for the buck, but those are bucks I don't
    have. :) I would not even bother looking at full size trucks!

    Yes, although everything has gone up of course, trucks in particular
    have just gotten ridiculous in recent years. And yet.... the dealers
    can't keep 'em on the lot. Even with their crappy gas mileage. :-)



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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to SEAN DENNIS on Sun Apr 24 11:00:00 2022
    It does provide bang for the buck, but those are bucks I don't have.
    :) I would not even bother looking at full size trucks!

    I discovered, much to my surprise, that my '95 Nissan Pathfinder XE 4WD SUV is
    rated by my scooter manufacturer to carry my scooter and a lift (class III hitch). So the next vehicle I get I want to be able to carry the scooter too though the 2022 Nissan Versa S (I had a 2016 that got totaled in Feburary 2019) is nice for an in-town and short-trip car.

    That is a good discovery!

    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to GAMGEE on Sun Apr 24 11:02:00 2022
    Yes, although everything has gone up of course, trucks in particular
    have just gotten ridiculous in recent years. And yet.... the dealers
    can't keep 'em on the lot. Even with their crappy gas mileage. :-)

    And even with the chip shortage. Back in early 2000, I bought a 2000
    Mustang. One of the dealers I went to, the saleman that I was talking to
    said he usually sold trucks, and that he preferred to sell them because the markup on the trucks was a lot more that on cars.

    I was not too surprised.

    Mike


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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 24 14:16:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Yes, although everything has gone up of course, trucks in particular
    have just gotten ridiculous in recent years. And yet.... the dealers
    can't keep 'em on the lot. Even with their crappy gas mileage. :-)

    And even with the chip shortage. Back in early 2000, I bought a
    2000 Mustang. One of the dealers I went to, the saleman that I
    was talking to said he usually sold trucks, and that he preferred
    to sell them because the markup on the trucks was a lot more that
    on cars.

    I was not too surprised.

    Yeah, I believe that's very true (the markup is higher). I think in the
    last 6-8 years the margin has grown even bigger. To get a nice/loaded standard duty 4x4 pickup these days, you're in the $70K neighborhood.


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  • From digimaus@618:618/1 to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 24 22:28:34 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to SEAN DENNIS <=-

    That is a good discovery!

    It is. I'll probably install air shocks in the back of the Pathfinder to
    help with the extra weight. I can bolt on a Clase III hitch really easily
    as there's bolt holes pre-drilled in Pathy's frame.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to digimaus on Sun Apr 24 23:17:04 2022
    To: digimaus
    Re: Re: Subaru/AWD
    By: digimaus to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 24 2022 10:28 pm

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    Mike Powell wrote to SEAN DENNIS <=-

    That is a good discovery!

    It is. I'll probably install air shocks in the back of the Pathfinder to help with the extra weight. I can bolt on a Clase III hitch really easily as there's bolt holes pre-drilled in Pathy's frame.

    -- Sean

    you can probably just buy another pathfinder that is newer and better shape for a few thousand.
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Mon Apr 25 11:30:55 2022
    Hello Jas,

    24 Apr 22 23:17, you wrote to me:

    you can probably just buy another pathfinder that is newer and better shape for a few thousand.

    Oh no. Pathfinders are in demand and expensive. Besides, I own this one and I've already fixed so much on it that investing a little more to get it going is a good thing. My Pathfinder is a first generation model which means it's body-and-frame, so I can easily fix things rather than dealing with a unibody construction.

    It's honestly not in that bad of shape for its age. It was just neglected by my sister who ran it partially into the ground and I've rebuilt/repaired about 80% of the damage.

    I have too much money invested in it to just dump it and get something else.

    -- Sean

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Gamgee on Mon Apr 25 09:36:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Yeah, I believe that's very true (the markup is higher). I think in
    the last 6-8 years the margin has grown even bigger. To get a
    nice/loaded standard duty 4x4 pickup these days, you're in the $70K neighborhood.

    I bet the prices on post-1976 trucks that run on unleaded gas but don't have frills/computers must be going up in price, too.




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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Apr 25 14:25:00 2022
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yeah, I believe that's very true (the markup is higher). I think in
    the last 6-8 years the margin has grown even bigger. To get a
    nice/loaded standard duty 4x4 pickup these days, you're in the $70K neighborhood.

    I bet the prices on post-1976 trucks that run on unleaded gas but
    don't have frills/computers must be going up in price, too.

    Heh. Not many of them left nowadays.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 25 16:09:11 2022
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Subaru/AWD
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Mon Apr 25 2022 11:30 am

    Oh no. Pathfinders are in demand and expensive. Besides, I own this one and I've already fixed so much on it that investing a little more to get it going is a good thing. My Pathfinder is a first generation model which means it's body-and-frame, so I can easily fix things rather than dealing with a unibody construction.

    It's honestly not in that bad of shape for its age. It was just neglected by my sister who ran it partially into the ground and I've rebuilt/repaired about 80% of the damage.

    I have too much money invested in it to just dump it and get something else.


    well it's 1995. how many miles are on it?

    putting too much money into it is part of the problem, too. have to cut your losses. and they probably started unabody after the the mid 2000's so you could still get a newer suv.
    not worth it.
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Mon Apr 25 20:04:01 2022
    Hello Jas,

    25 Apr 22 16:09, you wrote to me:

    well it's 1995. how many miles are on it?

    Around 250K. Low mileage for a Pathfinder.

    putting too much money into it is part of the problem, too. have to
    cut your losses. and they probably started unabody after the the mid 2000's so you could still get a newer suv. not worth it.

    I have to put in less than $2000 to fix it. Around here, $2000 would get you a jalopy. It's much better to work with a known quantity than unknown.

    Besides, I like my Pathfinder. It's a good vehicle.

    Now I will be getting another vehicle, more than likely something full-size, such as a pickup or an older work van.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 25 23:02:38 2022
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Subaru/AWD
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Mon Apr 25 2022 08:04 pm

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    Hello Jas,

    25 Apr 22 16:09, you wrote to me:

    well it's 1995. how many miles are on it?

    Around 250K. Low mileage for a Pathfinder.

    come on, that's a lot, dude. plus it's been sitting.
    no way is 250k low mileage. that car is done.

    putting too much money into it is part of the problem, too. have to cut your losses. and they probably started unabody after the the mid 2000's so you could still get a newer suv. not worth it.

    I have to put in less than $2000 to fix it. Around here, $2000 would get you
    a jalopy. It's much better to work with a known quantity than unknown.

    Besides, I like my Pathfinder. It's a good vehicle.

    Now I will be getting another vehicle, more than likely something

    full-size,
    such as a pickup or an older work van.

    you need to watch that show hoarders. this is exactly how hoarders think and talk.
    you haven't driven that car in a long time and it's been sitting.
    it's been sitting there for years and that's no good. cars have to be driven on a regular basis or they go to shit.

    it's best to just get rid of it, but it's your vehicle. but it looks like a hoarder thing to me. you think it's going to be useful, it isnt. it's just been sitting there for years. anything you have like that you should toss or give it to someone else that can really use it
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Tue Apr 26 00:54:01 2022
    Hello Jas,

    25 Apr 22 23:02, you wrote to me:

    it's best to just get rid of it, but it's your vehicle. but it looks
    like a hoarder thing to me. you think it's going to be useful, it
    isnt. it's just been sitting there for years. anything you have
    like that you should toss or give it to someone else that can really
    use it .

    I can really use it. Why the hell are you telling me to toss it then?

    I'm going to drop this conversation now.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Sean Dennis on Tue Apr 26 05:46:57 2022
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Subaru/AWD
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Tue Apr 26 2022 12:54 am

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    Hello Jas,

    25 Apr 22 23:02, you wrote to me:

    it's best to just get rid of it, but it's your vehicle. but it looks like a hoarder thing to me. you think it's going to be useful, it isnt. it's just been sitting there for years. anything you have
    like that you should toss or give it to someone else that can really use it .

    I can really use it. Why the hell are you telling me to toss it then?

    I'm going to drop this conversation now.

    i looked up your facebook and typed in pathfinder. you've had tons of problems with that thing. now it's been sitting for years.

    you may love it, but it's time to let it go. it's not worth it.
    it's a 1995 hunk of junk with a lot of miles on it. when something has 250k on it and it has issues, it's time to replace it.

    i even had my suv sitting for under a year because i only drive it during the winter. it was in perfect shape and i had all kinds of problems with sounds and other physical issues. the mechanic told me it's because i stopped driving it on a regular basis. since i got the problems fixed, i take it out on the highway a few times a week.

    don't get mad, but step outside your frame of mind and look at it logically. try not to let your mind fool you.
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