SEAN DENNIS wrote to T.J. MCMILLEN <=-

I admit I am not the best when it comes to backups though I have gotten better at it. Right now, I simply do not have enough physical space

Same here, but I have improved as well. I know some people don't like
cloud backups, but that is where all of my stuff is now. I do have 2
USB drives that I copy important files/folders to weekly. One is stored
in a fireproof safe, the other is always in the computer for quick
access.

I also have a 2TB dropbox account. "My Documents" is all stored there,
along with jpg'd photos, some videos and my music.

BBS Backups and other config files from various machines are copied daily/weekly and then moved to a "backup" folder in dropbox, which I
purge often.

Sure beats floppy disks and tape drives :P (or even burning CDs/DVDs).

Kev


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Hello Kevin,

15 Apr 22 12:59, you wrote to me:

Sure beats floppy disks and tape drives :P (or even burning CDs/DVDs).

I still like tapes--what happens when one of your first jobs was a backup operator--but I like hot, warm, and cold backups. Right now I really don't have a full backup of the BBS though I could just clone it if need be. When I can afford it, I'll use an AWS S3 instance (s3cmd is great to use; even works under ArcaOS!) along with local backups.

s3cmd is available in Arca's update manager as "s3cmd". You can read more about it at https://s3tools.org/s3cmd -- I recommend it. Yes, it costs a little money but the peace of mind is nice to have.

-- Sean

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Re: Backups
By: Sean Dennis to Kevin Nunn on Fri Apr 15 2022 04:55 pm

s3cmd is available in Arca's update manager as "s3cmd". You can read more about it at https://s3tools.org/s3cmd -- I recommend it. Yes, it costs a little money but the peace of mind is nice to have.

AWSCLI might support copying to S3 buckets; it's free, too.
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SEAN DENNIS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I still like tapes--what happens when one of your first jobs was a

I used tapes a lot back in the day. Backmaster for OS/2 was great. And
I recommended them to all my customers back then. Nothing against them
at all.

s3cmd is available in Arca's update manager as "s3cmd". You can read
more about it at https://s3tools.org/s3cmd -- I recommend it. Yes, it costs a little money but the peace of mind is nice to have.

I will look at that. Dropbox fits me perfectly right now, but I don't
backup my movies/videos on it. So maybe I'll use S3 to keep a copy of
videos and stuff that I have accumulated over the years.

And I could use to to automate my OS/2 backups to the cloud. Currently
I FTP the backup zips from OS/2 to my windows Dropbox folder.

Dropbox is so seamless, Whatever I put in the dropbox folder is saved
to the cloud, with 30 days worth of versioning. And it has selective
sync for my laptops so I am not storing data I don't need on my
laptops.

Kev

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Hello Kurt,

15 Apr 22 14:41, you wrote to me:

AWSCLI might support copying to S3 buckets; it's free, too.

s3cmd is free. I was speaking of the charge for the S3 bucket.

-- Sean

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Hello Kevin,

15 Apr 22 20:02, you wrote to me:

Dropbox is so seamless, Whatever I put in the dropbox folder is saved
to the cloud, with 30 days worth of versioning. And it has selective
sync for my laptops so I am not storing data I don't need on my
laptops.

I cannot use Dropbox directly using the actual Dropbox program on my BBS server since it does not have X installed. I could use Duplicati to use Dropbox if one wanted to but I have 250GB to backup and I don't think Dropbox will work. <G>

s3cmd is free, BTW. Someone took s3cmd and turned it into a Windows-only program that they charge for...don't need it.

-- Sean

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Re: Backups
By: Kevin Nunn to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 15 2022 12:59 pm

SEAN DENNIS wrote to T.J. MCMILLEN <=-

I admit I am not the best when it comes to backups though I have gotten better at it. Right now, I simply do not have enough physical space

Same here, but I have improved as well. I know some people don't like
cloud backups, but that is where all of my stuff is now. I do have 2
USB drives that I copy important files/folders to weekly. One is stored
in a fireproof safe, the other is always in the computer for quick
access.

I also have a 2TB dropbox account. "My Documents" is all stored there,
along with jpg'd photos, some videos and my music.

BBS Backups and other config files from various machines are copied daily/weekly and then moved to a "backup" folder in dropbox, which I
purge often.

Sure beats floppy disks and tape drives :P (or even burning CDs/DVDs).

Kev

Cloud backups are OK for small quantities of non-dangerous information.

I run a cost-efficency analysis regarding cloud backups every now and then when it comes to manage personal data. Long story short: cloud backups are cheaper than storing your data in your own premises but they are worse as a solution.

For example, a Business plan with a REAL **BACKUP** vendor will cost you around 1 100 USD in 4 years, which is the time I expect to be able to use a local NAS worth 1 800 before a big update is required. A real backup vendor also gives you manageability advantages (such as the ability to track old versions of your files) which you would have to hack yourself with your own solution. *

But then there is the problem that if you have a total crash, you may spend a month recovering your data from a backup vendor, whereas with a local backup you will be up around and running in a matter of hours.

* Estimated for managing 6 TB of data. The NAS is supposed to be high-end consumer hardware or a low-end enterprise server. Think an HPE MIniserver Gen 10.


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Re: Re: Backups
By: Kevin Nunn to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 15 2022 08:02 pm

I will look at that. Dropbox fits me perfectly right now, but I don't
backup my movies/videos on it. So maybe I'll use S3 to keep a copy of
videos and stuff that I have accumulated over the years.

For vast amounts of static data you can have a look at Backblaze's B2 offerings. THey are more reasonable than Amazon when it comes to pricing, and afaik they don't hate white heterosexual men like Amazon does.


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Re: Backups
By: Sean Dennis to Kevin Nunn on Fri Apr 15 2022 08:39 pm

I cannot use Dropbox directly using the actual Dropbox program on my BBS server since it does not have X installed. I could use Duplicati to use Dropbox if one wanted to but I have 250GB to backup and I don't think Dropbo will work. <G>

If you can run Go programs, you may use something such as rclone, which has Dropbox support I think. It is like an rsync-like tool for cloud storage. I use it to script backups to Nextcloud instances.

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To: Kevin Nunn
Re: Backups
By: Kevin Nunn to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 15 2022 12:59 pm

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SEAN DENNIS wrote to T.J. MCMILLEN <=-

I admit I am not the best when it comes to backups though I have gotten better at it. Right now, I simply do not have enough physical space

Same here, but I have improved as well. I know some people don't like
cloud backups, but that is where all of my stuff is now. I do have 2
USB drives that I copy important files/folders to weekly. One is stored
in a fireproof safe, the other is always in the computer for quick
access.

I also have a 2TB dropbox account. "My Documents" is all stored there,
along with jpg'd photos, some videos and my music.

BBS Backups and other config files from various machines are copied daily/weekly and then moved to a "backup" folder in dropbox, which I
purge often.

make sure you encrypt if you use dropbox. they have been compromised before. encrypt your stuff when it's in the cloud, no matter what service.
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Hello Arelor,

16 Apr 22 08:40, you wrote to Kevin Nunn:

For example, a Business plan with a REAL **BACKUP** vendor will cost
you around 1 100 USD in 4 years, which is the time I expect to be able
to use a local NAS worth 1 800 before a big update is required. A real backup vendor also gives you manageability advantages (such as the
ability to track old versions of your files) which you would have to
hack yourself with your own solution. *

I like the busines continuinty (sp?) plan: hot, warm, and cold backups.

From me:

- Hot backups: backups on a local NAS, AWS S3
- Warm backups: backup to a USB stick stored in a media safe in my closet
- Cold backups: tape backups stored in a storage room in town using the grandfather/father/son incremental backup method

-- Sean

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Hello Arelor,

16 Apr 22 08:44, you wrote to me:

If you can run Go programs, you may use something such as rclone,
which has Dropbox support I think. It is like an rsync-like tool for
cloud storage. I use it to script backups to Nextcloud instances.

I forgot about rclone...thank you for reminding me and yes, I can run Go programs (I use a Go-based program for amateur radio).

-- Sean

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