• HVAC

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Wed Mar 16 16:32:15 2022
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    Hello Jas,

    16 Mar 22 14:33, you wrote to digimaus:

    this is another one where i'm missing the original message.

    Dunno why you're missing messages. Might want to talk to the sysop of the system you're pulling from.

    no, i dont want to get into HVAC. i dont want to crawl on my knees
    into attics and shit. i also dont want to work inside people's old
    houses and their fucked up systems.

    You do realize that there's different areas of HVAC right? It's not all residential but it seems to me you're just making excuses now.

    also there's a lot of people doing it around here, and it seems like
    they have grouped multiple jobs into one.

    I know people who are into HVAC and specialize in different areas. What you're saying is showing a lack of knowledge about the subject. I've noticed that every time someone metions another career, you pooh-pooh it and come up with excuses.

    Just become disabled like me and get free money from the government. Sounds like what you want anyway...

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Sean Dennis on Wed Mar 16 17:52:14 2022
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: HVAC
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Wed Mar 16 2022 04:32 pm

    this is another one where i'm missing the original message.

    Dunno why you're missing messages. Might want to talk to the sysop of the system you're pulling from.


    it's probably due to the system. talking to him would probably be fruitless.

    no, i dont want to get into HVAC. i dont want to crawl on my knees
    into attics and shit. i also dont want to work inside people's old houses and their fucked up systems.

    You do realize that there's different areas of HVAC right? It's not all residential but it seems to me you're just making excuses now.

    When i wrote that i looked up the HVAC jobs on indeed in my area. they appear to be starting out low(for me) and then max at 24/hr. they also appear to have other duties grouped into one job. that's been happening a lot since covid.

    I know people who are into HVAC and specialize in different areas. What you're saying is showing a lack of knowledge about the subject. I've noticed that every time someone metions another career, you pooh-pooh it and come up with excuses.

    I don't have excuses. it's not something I want to get into.
    I'm still doing well and making more money than i have in the past. I'm just looking for employment at a company that i can stay with until i retire in a first shift position.

    there's a lot of bait and switch and poor employers here that are sinking ships.

    Just become disabled like me and get free money from the government. Sounds like what you want anyway...

    yeah i've worked continuously for my entire life since i was 18 years old.
    I work hard and worked a lot. I'd rather eat a bullet than sit at home on my ass and get a little paycheck from the govt. I like having money and i like ordering from amazon multiple times a week. my last couple of years have been my biggest earning years ever. thanks covid.

    I can't sit at home longer than a weekend and i go stir crazy.
    I wouldn't know what i'd do with myself if I was sitting at home with nothing to do. Well, i just said it. i'd eat a bullet.
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Jas Hud on Thu Mar 17 18:43:28 2022
    On 16 Mar 22 17:52:14, Jas Hud said the following to Sean Dennis:

    I don't have excuses. it's not something I want to get into.
    I'm still doing well and making more money than i have in the past. I'm ju looking for employment at a company that i can stay with until i retire in first shift position.

    My friend if you'd rather "eat a bullet" as you said, then do it already.

    Sometimes in life we have to do things we don't want to do and check our egos and dignity at the door. I think you are what... 2 years older than I am, you appear to be a very smart guy but lack the humility to see that you are lucky to have a job while some others are begging to have one.

    Ever see Taxi Driver? Remember the Peter Boyle speech? "We're all fucked"...

    I get that maybe work sucks but use your brain and find something better if you're not happy. Find whatever that might be.

    I work my ass off in 2, actually 3 jobs... I'm not here complaining. Could
    sing the blues over all sorts of shit. But I can quit anytime I want. Nobody forces me into anything. There is a reason why we do what we do.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 18 04:47:38 2022
    To: Nick Andre
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Thu Mar 17 2022 06:43 pm

    I'm still doing well and making more money than i have in the past. I'm ju looking for employment at a company that i can stay with until i retire in first shift position.

    My friend if you'd rather "eat a bullet" as you said, then do it already.

    yeah but i'm not disabled and doing nothing.

    Sometimes in life we have to do things we don't want to do and check our egos and dignity at the door. I think you are what... 2 years older than I am, you appear to be a very smart guy but lack the humility to see that you are lucky to have a job while some others are begging to have one.

    I'm just looking for the right job for myself right now so i can enjoy life.
    I have a lot of experience with many differnet things and i'm a better worker than most of the people in the workforce. I've also taken tests to determine how employable i am in the workforce and i'm about 85% employable with all the different types of jobs factored in.

    So i'm not a whiner. i just don't want to work at a shit company. I'd like to have a decent job I can stay at and retire. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

    I left my job of 17+ years because i was sick of how it treated the people, i was sick of the ups and downs and the paycuts. Since then, financially I've been doing better. I don't have an office anymore, but I make decent money and keep my bills paid.

    Regarding others begging to have a job, that's not how it is in the usa. the employeers are still working hard to find employees and increasing wages.

    At my current job i see people 30 and under and it's quite sad. they can't stay off their phones and disappear for long periods of time. they also just stop showing up. Black people in particular are real bad, but I think that's just a regional thing [i hope]. and god damn, i hate that weed stink.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 18 19:25:43 2022

    Sometimes in life we have to do things we don't want to do and check our egos and dignity at the door. I think you are what... 2 years older than
    I am, you
    appear to be a very smart guy but lack the humility to see that you are lucky to have a job while some others are begging to have one.

    Here is a strategy to apply on any bad days at work.

    "Smile, and take their money."

    Working is a mutual using relationship. We work for money to live, and the organization needs us to work for them to exist.

    I knew really early that companies could cut you and not shed even a slight tear no matter who you are. Covid was a perfect example of that. No shot, you are out the door. Doesn't matter if you are the best, smartest, hardest working, etc. No one gives a shit. That is something to learn really early on and understand.

    The minute I feel like not working anymore, I will leave and not give a shit either.

    - Mark

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Mark Hofmann on Sat Mar 19 02:17:31 2022
    To: Mark Hofmann
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Mark Hofmann to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 18 2022 07:25 pm

    Here is a strategy to apply on any bad days at work.
    "Smile, and take their money."
    Working is a mutual using relationship. We work for money to live, and the organization needs us to work for them to exist.
    I knew really early that companies could cut you and not shed even a slight tear no matter who you are. Covid was a perfect example of that. No shot, you are out the door. Doesn't matter if you are the best, smartest, hardest working, etc. No one gives a shit. That is something to learn really early on and understand.
    The minute I feel like not working anymore, I will leave and not give a shit either.

    i'm changing my outlook now that i'm middle aged. the first half of my adult life wasn't working for me. i'm going to focus on being happy.
    not happy that i have a job. fuck that.

    at the job i quit they gave us a huge paycut and fired a ton of people.
    then they said "at least you had a job" they said that. and a guy brought up how the execs gave themselves a huge raise and that guy got sent to HR and got a week off as punishment.

    each time we got a paycut, they would point out that the CEO and the COO took paycuts too. what they didnt mention is that they got the board to vote them a raise 2 months beforehand. this is a matter of public record and happened every time. i told everybody this.

    Another time which made me make a mental note is when we were at a meeting and the president of the company tells a story. he is with a distributer at his new house and the guy has his kid there. while these guys ignore the kid, he drowns in the pool.

    This president of the company said some crazy shit that we should pay the kid homage by doing well this quarter. that was the most fucked up shit i ever heard.

    So i'm going to be happy and spend time with my god daughter. I'm going to pay my bills. I have no problem finding employment because i'm a valuable person with skills and a hard worker. If I'm not at a company and it's not working out, i'm going to end that relationshit.
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  • From Tiny@618:500/32 to Mark Hofmann on Sat Mar 19 14:27:24 2022
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    I knew really early that companies could cut you and not shed even a slight tear no matter who you are. Covid was a perfect example of

    'Aint that the truth?

    that. No shot, you are out the door. Doesn't matter if you are the
    best, smartest, hardest working, etc. No one gives a shit. That is something to learn really early on and understand.

    I was let go after after I showed a new manager the debit machine he told
    me to use didn't work. <shrug> Hope he dies of cancer.

    Shawn

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Jas Hud on Sun Mar 20 07:44:26 2022

    So i'm going to be happy and spend time with my god daughter. I'm going
    to pay my bills.
    I have no problem finding employment because i'm a valuable
    person with skills and a hard worker. If I'm not at a company and it's
    not working out, i'm going to end that relationshit.

    Nothing wrong with that. We work to live, not live to work. It isn't that I don't enjoy working or what I do. It is more about the fact that corporate politics suck and the fact that no organization really gives a shit about anyone (not that I would expect them to).

    The simple fact that lots of employers were firing people for not getting a vaccine (really should be a called a "shot" because the definition of a vaccine prevents someone from getting something - which it certainly doesn't)
    is proof to what I already knew. They will toss anyone to the curb if they don't follow their BS agenda.

    I greatly escalated my nest egg plans so that I would have the freedom to make an exit whenever I want. Not that I will, but I want that ability.

    I don't blame people for not wanting to work at certain companies right now. I wouldn't either, if I were them. People need to regain control of things. We have had all that stolen from us at a political and corporate level.

    - Mark

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Tiny on Sun Mar 20 07:47:45 2022

    I was let go after after I showed a new manager the debit machine he told
    me to use didn't work. <shrug> Hope he dies of cancer.

    I have learned to just "Smile and take the money". I don't complain, I don't make suggestions unless asked, and I certainly don't say how I really feel about things. All those things just end up biting you in the ass, so I keep quiet.

    I just work hard, do what I can, and that is it. Nothing more or less.

    - Mark

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Mark Hofmann on Sun Mar 20 10:39:33 2022
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Mark Hofmann to Jas Hud on Sun Mar 20 2022 07:44 am

    I don't blame people for not wanting to work at certain companies right now. wouldn't either, if I were them. People need to regain control of things. have had all that stolen from us at a political and corporate level.


    This is the reason why I think the only reasonable option for moving forward is being self-employed or working for third parties under a Merchantile Agreement. You are your own boss and the only bullshit you have to take is from customers, but customers pay for the privilege so who cares. The only problem with the plan is that pulling it off is far from trivial.

    I have a regular wage part-time job in addition to my store and my freelance IT writer for Linux News Media, and the reason why it does not suck is because
    the boss knows he saves so much money with me (and also there is not much people wanting to deal with our deployments, because I am the only guy who knows how the guts of our systems work).

    I would not pick a job at a big corporation right now unless the conditions were completely amazing or I was very desperate. Corporations right now are indoctrination centers which make you put up with so much bullshit which is unrelated to the task at hand that it makes me puke. THe training materials delivered by international hopitalary corporations are outright dystopian.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Arelor on Mon Mar 21 06:40:43 2022
    To: Arelor
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Arelor to Mark Hofmann on Sun Mar 20 2022 10:39 am

    This is the reason why I think the only reasonable option for moving forward is being self-employed or working for third parties under a Merchantile Agreement. You are your own boss and the only bullshit you have to take is from customers, but customers pay for the privilege so who cares. The only problem with the plan is that pulling it off is far from trivial.


    well we all can't be our own bosses. we have to work for someone else and also it helps with insurance.

    right now i have a job with zero bullshit and good insurance and okay pay.
    i'm not taking my work home with me or putting up with bullshit or getting blamed for shit i didn't do like my old job.

    infact, after i quit they contacted me asking me about my last day and where i dropped off stuff for that shipment. i knew that was going to happen. there is literally ONE place for me to drop things off and that is where i always put it. like always, some dipshit moved it.

    regarding part time jobs, i always recommend cleaning. it's easy and about half the time you arent working if you are good at it. i would do that as a pt job and lock myself in an office. at one place we found a nice conference room and lower the temp real cold [it was a hot summer] and i'd put a usb stick in with movies and tv shows and we'd hide in there and watch them.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Mark Hofmann on Sat Mar 19 09:54:00 2022
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    Here is a strategy to apply on any bad days at work.

    "Smile, and take their money."

    "The company is not your friend -- or your family"

    "Your obligation to your employer ends with each pay check. So does theirs."

    Working is a mutual using relationship. We work for money to live, and the organization needs us to work for them to exist.

    Bingo.

    I knew really early that companies could cut you and not shed even a slight tear no matter who you are. Covid was a perfect example of that.
    No shot, you are out the door. Doesn't matter if you are the best, smartest, hardest working, etc. No one gives a shit. That is
    something to learn really early on and understand.

    I've worked on and off as a consultant, and to do that successfully, you
    need to be always looking for the next gig, the next client, the next opportunity. I figured I'd spend a good third of my time looking for new clients and opportunities, so when my engagement ended with one client, I wasn't back to square one.

    Friends of mine who have spent their careers as fulltime employees have a harder time with job insecurity, especially those of us who grew up with Waiters on Wheels delivering food every night, donuts on Fridays, bagel mondays, company outings, evangelist company leaders who owned majority
    stakes in the company, and so on. I used to be one of those people.

    I suppose my LinkedIn profile status should read "It's Complicated..."



    mondays





    The minute I feel like not working anymore, I will leave and not give a shit either.

    - Mark

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/1 to Jas Hud on Sat Mar 19 09:56:00 2022
    Jas Hud wrote to Mark Hofmann <=-

    each time we got a paycut, they would point out that the CEO and the
    COO took paycuts too. what they didnt mention is that they got the
    board to vote them a raise 2 months beforehand. this is a matter of public record and happened every time. i told everybody this.

    Better yet, give them a stock bump when the price has dipped, so they can
    buy low, sell high and do it under the umbrella of "showing faith in the direction and leadership of the company..."


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 21 10:39:40 2022
    Hello Kurt,

    19 Mar 22 09:54, you wrote to Mark Hofmann:

    ... Everyone's an atheist until it's time for a BIOS update.

    So very, very true.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 21 10:08:29 2022
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Sat Mar 19 2022 09:56 am

    each time we got a paycut, they would point out that the CEO and the COO took paycuts too. what they didnt mention is that they got the board to vote them a raise 2 months beforehand. this is a matter of public record and happened every time. i told everybody this.

    Better yet, give them a stock bump when the price has dipped, so they can buy low, sell high and do it under the umbrella of "showing faith in the direction and leadership of the company..."

    oh yeah, we made good money on stocks. we knew the ups and downs.
    the oil industry is a broken record.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 21 17:09:06 2022
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Kurt Weiske to Mark Hofmann on Sat Mar 19 2022 09:54 am

    "The company is not your friend -- or your family"

    "Your obligation to your employer ends with each pay check. So does theirs."


    Corect, and this is the reason why it creeps me out when Human Resources goes full "We are a family" and "We want to be like a big group of friends!"

    Freaking hypocrites.

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Arelor on Mon Mar 21 20:26:19 2022

    I would not pick a job at a big corporation right now unless the
    conditions were completely amazing or I was very desperate. Corporations right now are indoctrination centers which make you put up with so much bullshit which is unrelated to the task at hand that it makes me puke. THe training materials delivered by international hopitalary corporations are outright dystopian.

    100% true. Everything is ass backwards these days.

    - Mark

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 21 20:39:21 2022

    "Smile, and take their money."

    "The company is not your friend -- or your family"

    "Your obligation to your employer ends with each pay check. So does theirs."

    You could even substitute the words "company/employer" with "government" there and they would still be true statements.

    Starting your own business is not easy, but at least you can avoid all the big corporate indocturing crap. I could actually enjoy my entire day like the good old days.

    - Mark

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Mark Hofmann on Tue Mar 22 05:01:05 2022
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Mark Hofmann to Kurt Weiske on Mon Mar 21 2022 08:39 pm


    "Smile, and take their money."

    "The company is not your friend -- or your family"

    "Your obligation to your employer ends with each pay check. So does theirs."

    You could even substitute the words "company/employer" with "government" the and they would still be true statements.

    Starting your own business is not easy, but at least you can avoid all the b corporate indocturing crap. I could actually enjoy my entire day like the g old days.

    - Mark

    I am still trying to decide whether corporations are an extension of the government, or the government is just a big corporation itself. Or a bit of both.

    A lot of private industry in Spain has the government as their sole customer. It is hard to argue that a private infrastructure firm is independent when they get all their money from the government and do what the government says when the government says.

    I remember talking to a worker and asking him who was his employer. He told me: "The government. Well, actually ACS, but that is the government, right?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS_Group

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Arelor on Thu Mar 24 20:25:38 2022

    A lot of private industry in Spain has the government as their sole customer. It is hard to argue that a private infrastructure firm is independent when they get all their money from the government and do what the government says when the government says.

    Same thing here. I live in Maryland and can drive to Washington DC in under 2 hours (not that I would want to).

    Almost all the companies that exist in that general area exist 100% of the government. We call them the beltway bandits. That also explains why they are for big government because that is how they exist getting paid lots of money to do very little.

    - Mark

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Mar 25 05:32:43 2022
    To: Mark Hofmann
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Mark Hofmann to Arelor on Thu Mar 24 2022 08:25 pm


    Same thing here. I live in Maryland and can drive to Washington DC in under 2 hours (not that I would want to).



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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Jas Hud on Sat Mar 26 20:20:03 2022

    thank you for not driving outside of maryland. you guys are whacko
    drivers. --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113

    I agree, most around here can't drive. I need my own lane to avoid all the slow pokes and people screwing around with their phones.

    - Mark

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  • From Jas Hud@618:300/12 to Mark Hofmann on Sun Mar 27 07:43:07 2022
    To: Mark Hofmann
    Re: Re: HVAC
    By: Mark Hofmann to Jas Hud on Sat Mar 26 2022 08:20 pm

    From Newsgroup: Micronet.MIN_CHAT


    thank you for not driving outside of maryland. you guys are whacko drivers. --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113

    I agree, most around here can't drive. I need my own lane to avoid all the slow pokes and people screwing around with their phones.


    maryland drivers are well known on the east coast for their bad driving.
    they remind me of those youtube videos of chinese drivers.
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  • From Kevin Nunn@618:200/1 to Mark Hofmann on Sun Mar 27 11:06:15 2022
    MARK HOFMANN wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    I agree, most around here can't drive. I need my own lane to avoid all the slow pokes and people screwing around with their phones.

    They are everywhere, on every road, anytime of the day. :(

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