• QWK Networking via Ele/RA...

    From Shurato@618:300/50 to All on Mon Feb 12 16:35:00 2024
    What software would I use? I found some options on archives.thebbs.org, but I'd like some suggestions before I start digging around... Dallas Vinson
    can't get SFNet running right, so I'm trying to see if I can work around this problem... The QWK networks aren't going 100% either, but they're working better than his BinkP option...

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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Shurato on Mon Feb 12 22:14:00 2024
    What software would I use? I found some options on archives.thebbs.org, but I'd like some suggestions before I start digging around...
    Dallas Vinson can't get SFNet running right, so I'm trying to see
    if I can work around this problem... The QWK networks aren't going
    100% either, but they're working better than his BinkP option...

    I found MKNET115 for RA. It looks like it'll work, if it's y2k compliant. I just need to wait for a response from capcity as to the directory and
    filename to download and upload to set up my IREX ftp script.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Mon Feb 12 20:42:31 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA...
    By: Shurato to All on Mon Feb 12 2024 04:35 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    What software would I use? I found some options on archives.thebbs.org, but I'd like some suggestions before I start digging around... Dallas Vinson can't get SFNet running right, so I'm trying to see if I can work around this problem... The QWK networks aren't going 100% either, but they're working better than his BinkP option...

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    you should network via ftn
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  • From Codefenix@618:200/50 to Jas Hud on Fri Feb 16 11:24:44 2024
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA...
    By: Jas Hud to Shurato on Mon Feb 12 2024 08:42 pm

    you should network via ftn

    Maybe he's trying to set up DOVE-Net and wants to find a QWK solution rather than try to go through one of the hubs that offers it via FTN.

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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Fri Feb 16 21:15:00 2024
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

    To: Shurato Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA... By: Shurato to All on
    Mon Feb 12 2024 04:35 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    What software would I use? I found some options on
    archives.thebbs.org, but
    I'd like some suggestions before I start digging around... Dallas
    Vinson
    can't get SFNet running right, so I'm trying to see if I can work
    around
    this problem... The QWK networks aren't going 100% either, but they're working better than his BinkP option...

    you should network via ftn

    I was originally, but the network is having problems with binkp. I was
    hoping switching to QWK would get around that.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Codefenix on Fri Feb 16 22:42:26 2024
    To: Codefenix
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA...
    By: Codefenix to Jas Hud on Fri Feb 16 2024 11:24 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA...
    By: Jas Hud to Shurato on Mon Feb 12 2024 08:42 pm

    you should network via ftn

    Maybe he's trying to set up DOVE-Net and wants to find a QWK solution rather than try to go through one of the hubs that offers it via FTN.


    i havent used RA in 20+ years,(and i only played a little with elebbs) but i'm pretty sure it's gonna be hard to do QWK networking with his bbs software. Maybe someone that knows RA/elebbs better can speak up. I think it's a right tool for the right job type of thing.

    In the RA docs it mentions ftn and what software you can use.
    And i've found the elebbs docs and they are total dogshit. So i will now abandon this information journey.

    I think mark lewis would be a good guy to ask about this stuff.

    With synchronet bbs, qwk networking is pretty easy (I still don't like to use it), but he's not using synchronet.

    Regardless you are going to use a hub if you're using qwk or ftn.
    ftn is just the easier more sensable way. I used to know a lot of shit about bbsing and I had tons of time to test stuff and play with stuff. It's now almost 30 years later. if you don't use it you lose it.

    Regardless, using the right tool for the right job is something that you shouldn't forget.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Sat Feb 17 00:07:53 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA...
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Fri Feb 16 2024 09:15 pm

    you should network via ftn

    I was originally, but the network is having problems with binkp. I was hoping switching to QWK would get around that.

    i don't have money for an right expensive tire to replace the one that just popped.

    i have a loose sawed off tree stump in my yard. it's round. but will it work well as a replacement? how about a trash can lid?

    get a feed that doesn't suck. that's why i dropped it all. too many screwballs running stuff when they can't keep it up or even run it correctly.

    is gert still around? i told that dipshit his feed wasnt working, and i had it checked by a pro too, and dude told me to just join another one of his networks instead. jfc

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to JAS HUD on Sat Feb 17 10:44:00 2024
    you should network via ftn

    I was originally, but the network is having problems with binkp. I was hoping switching to QWK would get around that.

    is gert still around? i told that dipshit his feed wasnt working, and i had it
    checked by a pro too, and dude told me to just join another one of his network
    instead. jfc

    He is not trying to join one of Gert's networks, he is trying to join
    SFnet. Geri Attricks (sp?) is having issues with his ISP possibly blocking
    the binkd port, and they are looking into it.

    In the meantime, that leave Shurato with dealing with the QWK hub instead, which is my system. The issue there is that (1) my feed for SFnet comes
    via ftn/binkd from the hub and (2) since his port is blocked I am not
    getting any mail either.

    The problem is being made worse because I currently cannot see my system
    logs. Debian 12 finally replaced rsyslog with its systemd-oriented replacement, and it is garbage. I am looking for assistance to this in the synchronet echo -- where does synchronet logging go if you turn off the 'syslog' option -- but so far am not getting much joy there. People who
    still have rsyslog distros understandably didn't understand the initial question.

    Mike

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Feb 17 12:03:18 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Sat Feb 17 2024 10:44 am

    He is not trying to join one of Gert's networks, he is trying to join
    SFnet. Geri Attricks (sp?) is having issues with his ISP possibly blocking the binkd port, and they are looking into it.


    yeah i didn't think it was gert. i'm just saying that guy and other people that run things have constant problems and shouldn't be feeding people.

    what is geri's isp? is that the furry guy? i see links online going to http://furmenservices.net/sfnet.zip i see i go on the furmen services
    and the sysop name is geri atricks.

    okay dallas is geri apparently.

    okay looks like he's got some weird isp i havent heard of.

    OrgName: Mediacom Communications Corp
    OrgId: MCC-244
    Address: 1 Mediacom Way
    City: Mediacom Park
    StateProv: NY
    PostalCode: 10918
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2008-02-05
    Updated: 2018-08-29
    Comment: For abuse issues contact abuse@mediacomcc.com
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/MCC-244

    ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.mediacomcc.com:4321

    he's on residential and they probably don't like him running this stuff.
    He should switch to a business account or rent a cheap server.

    Or his port being blocked could be operator error. I've seen everything at this point.

    I would wait until he gets his shit sorted.
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to JAS HUD on Sun Feb 18 10:29:00 2024
    okay dallas is geri apparently.

    Yeah, Dallas. Sorry I could not remember his real name at the time I
    posted that. ;)

    okay looks like he's got some weird isp i havent heard of.

    Probably his local ISP, or the ISP that feeds it.

    Or his port being blocked could be operator error. I've seen everything at thi
    point.

    I would wait until he gets his shit sorted.

    Those were my plans. ;)

    Mike

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Sun Feb 18 14:16:28 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Sun Feb 18 2024 10:29 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    okay dallas is geri apparently.

    Yeah, Dallas. Sorry I could not remember his real name at the time I
    posted that. ;)

    who knows what his real name is. maybe he doesn't even know.

    okay looks like he's got some weird isp i havent heard of.
    Probably his local ISP, or the ISP that feeds it.

    yes, that's what it is.

    I would wait until he gets his shit sorted.

    Those were my plans. ;)

    Like i said, that's why i dropped all ftn. it's not worth the headache.
    I did it for the games for datastream bbs, but I had nothing but problems from people. I work a lot and I don't want to be bothered when something out of my control breaks.

    The funny thing is, I consider myself a novice but I've actually taught+setup people that run msgnets now and I've also fixed people's bbses remotely when they had their feed come in and set it up for them incorrectly. For me it's just about getting the few settings correct and running a stable system.

    A lot of these guys aren't stable or dedicated enough.

    And when Shannon Talley wanted to call it quits he wanted to pass it off to me and I said NOPE!

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to JAS HUD on Mon Feb 19 08:40:00 2024
    And when Shannon Talley wanted to call it quits he wanted to pass it off to me
    nd I said NOPE!

    Who was Shannon Talley?


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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 18 23:19:00 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Sat Feb
    17 2024 10:44 am

    He is not trying to join one of Gert's networks, he is trying to join SFnet. Geri Attricks (sp?) is having issues with his ISP possibly
    blocking
    the binkd port, and they are looking into it.


    yeah i didn't think it was gert. i'm just saying that guy and other people that run things have constant problems and shouldn't be feeding people.

    what is geri's isp? is that the furry guy? i see links online going to http://furmenservices.net/sfnet.zip i see i go on the furmen services
    and the sysop name is geri atricks.

    okay dallas is geri apparently.

    okay looks like he's got some weird isp i havent heard of.

    OrgName: Mediacom Communications Corp OrgId: MCC-244 Address:
    1 Mediacom Way City: Mediacom Park StateProv: NY PostalCode:
    10918 Country: US RegDate: 2008-02-05 Updated: 2018-08-29
    Comment: For abuse issues contact abuse@mediacomcc.com Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/MCC-244

    ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.mediacomcc.com:4321

    he's on residential and they probably don't like him running this stuff. He should switch to a business account or rent a cheap server.

    Or his port being blocked could be operator error. I've seen everything at this point.

    I would wait until he gets his shit sorted.

    He's got one of the provider's modems and can't access it's admin interface. They won't do it for him either and have told him to buy his own modem. I've offered to chip in some. I've got QWK working with mknet (ra software) and irex's ftp tossing/scanning. I'm still not getting anything out to him
    though, only stuff coming in. I'm trying to help him (and get on his net
    which evidently did work at one point...). I also had never run QWK for a message net, so it was a learning experience.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Mon Feb 19 15:20:16 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Mon Feb 19 2024 08:40 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    And when Shannon Talley wanted to call it quits he wanted to pass it off to me
    nd I said NOPE!

    Who was Shannon Talley?


    he was a prominent fidonet guy. he ran fidotel and his own version of fidonews.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20061016132952if_/http://www.fidotel.com/public/default.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/3mb3s2e7

    he was a cool guy. i have not kept in touch because we weren't buddies, but he knew my friend well.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Mon Feb 19 18:12:43 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 18 2024 11:19 pm


    He's got one of the provider's modems and can't access it's admin interface. They won't do it for him either and have told him to buy his own modem.
    I've offered to chip in some. I've got QWK working with mknet (ra software)

    he should just buy one. they're not that expensive. i have a few rotting in my basement actually. i'm with spectrum and they dont block anything and you only have to do passthrough if you use their voip+cable+internet device.


    though, only stuff coming in. I'm trying to help him (and get on his net which evidently did work at one point...). I also had never run QWK for a message net, so it was a learning experience.

    you should do a tutorial on it. i havent really heard of people really using qwk for msg networking and not using synchronet.
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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Thu Feb 22 12:17:00 2024
    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of infozip mike powell is using. I can't change what the utility uses, but I might be able to use a different version once he sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or, I could write
    a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent out.

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Shurato on Fri Feb 23 20:22:00 2024
    Shurato wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an
    incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of
    infozip mike powell is using. I can't change what the utility
    uses, but I might be able to use a different version once he
    sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or, I could
    write a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent
    out.

    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to configure
    that on each end). No real need to compress things with modern
    technology and speeds.



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  • From Andrew Leary@618:100/2 to Gamgee on Sat Feb 24 01:47:12 2024
    Hello Gamgee!

    23 Feb 24 20:22, you wrote to Shurato:

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an
    incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of
    infozip mike powell is using. I can't change what the utility
    uses, but I might be able to use a different version once he
    sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or, I could
    write a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent
    out.

    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to
    configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with
    modern technology and speeds.

    That's true for FTN networking. However, every QWK networking solution I've ever seen expects the files to be ZIPped into the .QWK packet.

    Andrew


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Sat Feb 24 01:38:03 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Thu Feb 22 2024 12:17 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of infozip mike powell is using. I can't change what the utility uses, but I might be able to use a different version once he sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or, I could write
    a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent out.

    so this program uses pkzip 2.5 and it's hardcoded?
    i'm surprised. furthermore there's 2 different syntaxes for 2 different pkzip2.x's.

    you can actually upgrade 2.4x to 2.5 and use the same syntax.
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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Gamgee on Sat Feb 24 04:29:00 2024
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Gamgee said:

    Shurato wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of infozip mike powell
    is using. I can't change what the utility uses, but I might be able
    to use a different version once he sends a packet to me in email
    and I can unzip it. Or, I could write a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent out.

    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with modern
    technology and speeds.

    Yeah, I could unpack before sending... I'll see if that'll work. Right now
    I'm about to test sending a packet to my ftp server to see if I can unzip it afterwards to narrow down if it's my ftp server. I couldn't unzip the packet he sent me that I sent him, but before they go out I can.

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Andrew Leary on Sat Feb 24 12:03:00 2024
    Andrew Leary wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an
    incompatibility issue with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of
    infozip mike powell is using. I can't change what the utility
    uses, but I might be able to use a different version once he
    sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or, I could
    write a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets sent
    out.

    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to
    configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with
    modern technology and speeds.

    That's true for FTN networking. However, every QWK networking
    solution I've ever seen expects the files to be ZIPped into the
    .QWK packet.

    Ahhhh, yes indeed. Somehow I missed/forgot that he was talking about
    QWK instead of FTN... Thanks.



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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to GAMGEE on Sun Feb 25 10:14:00 2024
    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to
    configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with modern technology and speeds.

    That's true for FTN networking. However, every QWK networking
    solution I've ever seen expects the files to be ZIPped into the
    .QWK packet.

    Ahhhh, yes indeed. Somehow I missed/forgot that he was talking about
    QWK instead of FTN... Thanks.

    In theory, you can tell ZIP to ZIP files up without compressing them. As
    it turned out, it was not the compression method but something odd that Internet REX was doing. When he uploads the packets using filezilla or
    curl they seem to work.

    Mike


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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Mike Powell on Sun Feb 25 10:16:00 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with modern technology and speeds.

    That's true for FTN networking. However, every QWK networking
    solution I've ever seen expects the files to be ZIPped into the
    .QWK packet.

    Ahhhh, yes indeed. Somehow I missed/forgot that he was talking about
    QWK instead of FTN... Thanks.

    In theory, you can tell ZIP to ZIP files up without compressing
    them. As it turned out, it was not the compression method but
    something odd that Internet REX was doing. When he uploads the
    packets using filezilla or curl they seem to work.

    Okay, cool. Nice job figuring that out. Not too unusual to see IREX
    doing something odd... :-) Thanks for the update.



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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Sat Feb 24 13:33:00 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Thu Feb 22
    2024 12:17 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    Ok, QWK isn't quite working. There seems to be an incompatibility
    issue
    with pkzip 2.50 and whatever version of infozip mike powell is using.
    I
    can't change what the utility uses, but I might be able to use a
    different
    version once he sends a packet to me in email and I can unzip it. Or,
    I
    could write a script to pkunzip it then infozip it before it gets
    sent out.

    so this program uses pkzip 2.5 and it's hardcoded? i'm surprised. furthermore there's 2 different syntaxes for 2 different
    pkzip2.x's.

    you can actually upgrade 2.4x to 2.5 and use the same syntax. you can
    also use a version that uses the new syntax that pkzip console uses.

    It's software from 1997. Ok, it wasn't pkzip that was corrupting the files,
    it was IREX. Now I'm using irex to download and curl to upload.

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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Mike Powell on Sun Feb 25 15:39:00 2024
    Even easier would be to just use uncompressed packets (have to
    configure that on each end). No real need to compress things with
    modern technology and speeds.

    That's true for FTN networking. However, every QWK networking
    solution I've ever seen expects the files to be ZIPped into the .QWK
    packet.

    Ahhhh, yes indeed. Somehow I missed/forgot that he was talking about
    QWK instead of FTN... Thanks.

    In theory, you can tell ZIP to ZIP files up without compressing them. As it turned out, it was not the compression method but something odd that Internet REX was doing. When he uploads the packets using filezilla or curl they seem to work.

    Yep, IREX downloads fine, but it was corrupting on uploads, even with binary mode enabled. I'm not sure what was wrong, I posted to the IREX fido echo.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Sun Feb 25 17:35:38 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: QWK Networking via El
    By: Shurato to Mike Powell on Sun Feb 25 2024 03:39 pm

    In theory, you can tell ZIP to ZIP files up without compressing them. As it turned out, it was not the compression method but something odd that Internet REX was doing. When he uploads the packets using filezilla or curl they seem to work.

    Yep, IREX downloads fine, but it was corrupting on uploads, even with binary mode enabled. I'm not sure what was wrong, I posted to the IREX fido echo.


    you might have some memory going bad. weird stuff like that happens when memory is bad.

    i've used irex with no corrupting issue.
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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Shurato on Sun Feb 25 21:59:18 2024
    On 24 Feb 24 13:33:00, Shurato said the following to Jas Hud:

    It's software from 1997. Ok, it wasn't pkzip that was corrupting the files, it was IREX. Now I'm using irex to download and curl to upload.

    You should seriously consider switching away from Irex if at all possible.

    It served its purpose in time but has many bugs that will never be fixed.

    Nick

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  • From Andrew Leary@618:100/2 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 26 01:02:20 2024
    Hello Nick!

    25 Feb 24 21:59, you wrote to Shurato:

    You should seriously consider switching away from Irex if at all
    possible.

    I've been recommending that to people for years.

    It served its purpose in time but has many bugs that will never be
    fixed.

    Exactly. There are alternatives that are being maintained and updated even to this day.

    Andrew

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Andrew Leary on Mon Feb 26 06:12:03 2024
    To: Andrew Leary
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Andrew Leary to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 26 2024 01:02 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    Hello Nick!

    25 Feb 24 21:59, you wrote to Shurato:

    You should seriously consider switching away from Irex if at all possible.

    I've been recommending that to people for years.


    what are these bugs? i really want to know. i ran it for like atleast 10 years on 3 systems. i set it up on 3 other people's systems too.
    is it the binkd?
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  • From Shurato@618:300/50 to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 26 11:50:00 2024
    * In a message originally to Shurato, Jas Hud said:

    To: Shurato Re: Re: QWK Networking via El By: Shurato to Mike Powell
    on Sun Feb 25 2024 03:39 pm

    In theory, you can tell ZIP to ZIP files up without compressing
    them.
    As it turned out, it was not the compression method but something
    odd
    that Internet REX was doing. When he uploads the packets using filezilla or curl they seem to work.

    Yep, IREX downloads fine, but it was corrupting on uploads, even with
    binary
    mode enabled. I'm not sure what was wrong, I posted to the IREX fido
    echo.


    you might have some memory going bad. weird stuff like that happens when memory is bad.

    i've used irex with no corrupting issue.

    I recently ran the MS Windows memory test on my guest and host. Have you
    used irex for ftp uploads with zip files?

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Shurato on Mon Feb 26 17:03:28 2024
    To: Shurato
    Re: Re: QWK Networking via El
    By: Shurato to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 26 2024 11:50 am


    i've used irex with no corrupting issue.

    I recently ran the MS Windows memory test on my guest and host. Have you

    i never used that but i've used a linux live cd to accurately test
    for bad memory. i was getting bad archives.

    Have you
    used irex for ftp uploads with zip files?

    that is exactly what i used it for with all my bbses.
    i would have noticed if i had corruption.
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  • From Andrew Leary@618:100/2 to Jas Hud on Wed Feb 28 00:35:50 2024
    Hello Jas!

    26 Feb 24 06:12, you wrote to me:

    what are these bugs? i really want to know. i ran it for like atleast
    10 years on 3 systems. i set it up on 3 other people's systems too. is
    it the binkd?

    The Linux version can't resolve domain names on kernels newer than 2.4. The BinkP/1.1 implementation is buggy, to the point where other software authors needed to implement work arounds to reduce session failures. The FTP server tends to crash, and apparently corrupts files (the problem Marty is having). The email support doesn't support newer email systems that require SMTPAUTH or SSL/TLS.

    I'm sure there are more also, but these are the major ones.

    Andrew

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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to Andrew Leary on Wed Feb 28 02:18:16 2024
    On 28 Feb 24 00:35:50, Andrew Leary said the following to Jas Hud:

    The Linux version can't resolve domain names on kernels newer than 2.4. Th BinkP/1.1 implementation is buggy, to the point where other software author needed to implement work arounds to reduce session failures. The FTP serve tends to crash, and apparently corrupts files (the problem Marty is having) The email support doesn't support newer email systems that require SMTPAUTH SSL/TLS.

    I'm sure there are more also, but these are the major ones.

    You can instantly make some versions crash by initiating a file transfer of something just beyond 2 gigabyte in size.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Andrew Leary on Wed Feb 28 09:32:36 2024
    To: Andrew Leary
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Andrew Leary to Jas Hud on Wed Feb 28 2024 12:35 am

    The Linux version can't resolve domain names on kernels newer than 2.4. The BinkP/1.1 implementation is buggy, to the point where other software authors needed to implement work arounds to reduce session failures. The FTP server tends to crash, and apparently corrupts files (the problem Marty is having). The email support doesn't support newer email systems that require SMTPAUTH or SSL/TLS.

    I'm sure there are more also, but these are the major ones.

    oh, i'm not surprised about the linux version being buggy.
    my hosts ran the ftp server and i think things were decent.
    The email support i wouldn't even use.

    Sometimes i dont believe complaints about things, with my experience with PIBKAC infected sysops over the decades.
    i think people should examine the archives to see whats happening to them.

    irex was a great workhorse for me, though.
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  • From Shawn Highfield@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Mon Jul 15 06:48:34 2024
    oh, i'm not surprised about the linux version being buggy. my hosts ran
    the ftp server and i think things were decent. The email support i
    wouldn't even use.

    Back when irex was still supported and the world was young... LOL I ran
    pretty much every feature it had. Mailing lists, email, ftp, bink, etc.
    It was a great program.

    This is 25 years later and without the author keeping things updated it's essentially a buggy binkp program now. It's a shame really, but I get it having wrote a few BBS>Internet programs back in the late 90s. My POP
    email client as a BBS door for one... It worked with irex, but nothing
    new. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to SHAWN HIGHFIELD on Mon Jul 15 09:16:00 2024
    Back when irex was still supported and the world was young... LOL I ran pretty much every feature it had. Mailing lists, email, ftp, bink, etc.
    It was a great program.

    I was even able to figure out how to use it to exchange QWK mail with VERT
    so I could carry Dovenet on my DOS BBS. It was a really neat program back
    in the day.

    Mike


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  • From Nick Mackechnie@618:510/10 to Shawn Highfield on Tue Jul 16 07:52:00 2024
    Back when irex was still supported and the world was young... LOL I ran
    pretty much every feature it had. Mailing lists, email, ftp, bink, etc.
    It was a great program.


    Ahem, I'm still running irex, bink and nntp gateway work fine :-)

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 15 19:00:51 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Mike Powell to SHAWN HIGHFIELD on Mon Jul 15 2024 09:16 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.bbs

    Back when irex was still supported and the world was young... LOL I ran pretty much every feature it had. Mailing lists, email, ftp, bink, etc. It was a great program.

    I was even able to figure out how to use it to exchange QWK mail with VERT so I could carry Dovenet on my DOS BBS. It was a really neat program back in the day.


    Maybe certain protocols were busted but i used it on several of my bbses and i set it up on other bbses using binkp and it worked well.

    people say it's buggy and they have problems but I'm not sure what exactly is going on and couldn't really get a clear answer other than the linux version isn't great.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Shawn Highfield on Mon Jul 15 06:33:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Back when irex was still supported and the world was young... LOL I
    ran pretty much every feature it had. Mailing lists, email, ftp, bink, etc. It was a great program.

    It was a quantum leap, going from a DOS BBS to running the BBS and iRex
    in Windows. I got my first internet fido feed around '97 and went from
    polling once a night to once an hour...

    Good times.

    This is 25 years later and without the author keeping things updated
    it's essentially a buggy binkp program now. It's a shame really


    What drew me to Synchronet was being able to run a telnettable BBS,
    SMTP/POP3/IMAP servers, NNTP, FTP and a web server, all in one package.
    All this ran, back in the early 2000s, on a Celeron 533 with 512 MB of
    RAM.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Jul 15 21:39:20 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: QWK Networking via Ele/RA
    By: Kurt Weiske to Shawn Highfield on Mon Jul 15 2024 06:33 am


    This is 25 years later and without the author keeping things updated it's essentially a buggy binkp program now. It's a shame really


    What drew me to Synchronet was being able to run a telnettable BBS,
    SMTP/POP3/IMAP servers, NNTP, FTP and a web server, all in one package.
    All this ran, back in the early 2000s, on a Celeron 533 with 512 MB of
    RAM.



    what drew me to synchronet is the stability. i was running the old netmodem and other junk with iniquity or renegade in the late 90s-2000.

    BBS software wise, everything was a mess in the new telnet age. I had to run my bbs across town at my friends house because i couldnt get cable internet in my area. Stupid netmodem would always crash or say 'busy' when it wasn't.

    I saw all these synchronet bbses and decided to give it a try. elebbs was a close 2nd. for me, synchronet was a huge learning curve and there wasn't much i could learn from in regards to scripting; I had to figure a lot of it out myself. Eventually I mastered it, but i'm pretty sure right now my BBS-peen is 1/4 the size it used to be due to forgetting and not exercising my skills.
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to JAS HUD on Tue Jul 16 07:36:00 2024
    people say it's buggy and they have problems but I'm not sure what exactly is going on and couldn't really get a clear answer other than the linux version isn't great.

    Yeah, I could never get the linux version to run. The DOS version was
    pretty good but would sometimes get hung up or crash. The OS/2 version
    seemed to work quite well.


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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Nick Mackechnie on Thu Jul 18 22:07:51 2024
    Nick Mackechnie wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Ahem, I'm still running irex, bink and nntp gateway work fine :-)

    I have it running on my OS/2 box for now...been using it since 1998. IRex's BinkP 1.1 is very buggy and it is a security risk to run it. Rex's FTP, POP3, and SMTP servers are buggy too.

    Charles had come up with a litany of excuses why he hasn't fixed it and it boils down to the minute he graduated college and made money, he wrote off the BBS world completely, much like how Tim Strike has lied about the Telegard BBS source code for decades.

    MBSE BBS has a special switch to toggle when you are connecting to a IRex user; it forces the connection to drop to BinkP 1.0.

    -- Sean

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