• Dems for migrants

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Mon Oct 14 18:42:24 2024
    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Oct 15 04:02:03 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> All skrev 2024-10-15 02:42:
    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    Fox Fake News reported. LOL! Really?

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    Yeah, because all migrants in the US ever since The White Man stole the land from the natives were undocumented, right? Ahem... that includes your ancestors, no? Or are you actually a Redskin? Nah, I didn't think so.

    Who do YOU think built the USA? And now the MAGA morons think it's time to stop the build. Fuck future generations; who cares about them?

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Brainwashed MAGA morons like you here show over and over again what happens when you drop out of elementary school. The reason behind the well-known statement can be explained by elementary school maths.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Mon Oct 14 21:58:40 2024
    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    Yeah, because all migrants in the US ever since The White Man stole
    the land from the natives were undocumented, right? Ahem... that
    includes your ancestors, no? Or are you actually a Redskin? Nah, I
    didn't think so.

    The natives don't make the laws here. If they did, do you think they would appreciate how the Democrats imported 40 million more illegal immigrants?

    Think about it.

    Who do YOU think built the USA? And now the MAGA morons think it's time to stop the build. Fuck future generations; who cares about them?

    Since the 1920s, illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and illegal re-entry is a felony. My country wasn't built by criminals. It was built by people who carried proof that they weren't wanted for murder in their home country.

    Under your logic, we shouldn't have metal detectors at airports because our airports were built by people who listened to heavy metal. LOL

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Brainwashed MAGA morons like you here show over and over again what happens when you drop out of elementary school. The reason behind the well-known statement can be explained by elementary school maths.

    I've heard the explanation. "We need people to fill jobs. Without the jobs being filled, we will all die."

    But that's BS because there's nothing more valuable than safety.

    Q: What's the worst thing that colonists did to native Americans?
    A: Killed them

    Think they're gonna vote for more of that?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Oct 15 06:59:34 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-10-15 05:58:
    The natives don't make the laws here.

    Why? They are still the legal landowners.

    Oh, wait, the White Superior Man "legally" made his own laws. That sounds like a typical MAGA excuse for not returning all the way back to the original Great America. Just about circa the time when niggers and women had no voting rights. 100+ years or so?

    If they did, do you think they
    would appreciate how the Democrats imported 40 million more illegal immigrants?

    Sigh. Is there no limit to the degree that the modern-day Nazi/MAGA fanatics have brainwashed its cult members? Imported illegals? Oh, poor boy, you really have to try to catch up on your elementary school education.

    Come to think of it, maybe all citizens who have nothing but a birth certificate should be required to take a civics test to register to vote. That would certainly raise the level of democracy awareness in the USA by magnitudes.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Oct 15 07:26:30 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign
    event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    Sooo... Once again, the fix for the problem that THEY caused (i.e. low birth rates) is to let them fix the problem by creating yet another problem - that they'll need to fix.

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    The Great Replacement Plan isn't a theory.

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate
    in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    They want less people who can think for themselves.

    I've said it before: The Elitists want a return to feudal times where they are the rulers and everyone else are slaves/serfs/etc.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Tue Oct 15 06:19:44 2024
    The natives don't make the laws here.

    Why? They are still the legal landowners.

    There are natives who own some land but not all of it. "You snooze, you lose."

    Oh, wait, the White Superior Man "legally" made his own laws. That sounds like a typical MAGA excuse for not returning all the way back to the original Great America. Just about circa the time when niggers and women had no voting rights. 100+ years or so?

    The natives lost the battle, and this land was colonized by Europeans. The natives aren't fighting for their land back, and they've literally joined forces with us in our battle against Democrats and against illegal immigrants.

    If they did, do you think they
    would appreciate how the Democrats imported 40 million more illegal immigrants?

    Sigh. Is there no limit to the degree that the modern-day Nazi/MAGA fanatics have brainwashed its cult members? Imported illegals? Oh, poor boy, you really have to try to catch up on your elementary school education.

    I answer your questions but you don't answer mine. Is that how socialism works?

    Come to think of it, maybe all citizens who have nothing but a birth certificate should be required to take a civics test to register to
    vote. That would certainly raise the level of democracy awareness in the USA by magnitudes.

    Your comrades want us to be dumb so that we can absorb their propaganda more efficiently. Smart people are less receptive to it. So, you can't have it both ways.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Oct 15 06:34:44 2024
    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA

    Sooo... Once again, the fix for the problem that THEY caused (i.e. low birth rates) is to let them fix the problem by creating yet another problem - that they'll need to fix.

    These are not "problems" for elites, but "opportunities."

    in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    They want less people who can think for themselves.

    I've said it before: The Elitists want a return to feudal times where
    they are the rulers and everyone else are slaves/serfs/etc.

    How far away from that are we? They already have their servants attending rallies for a candidate that was preselected for them by elites.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Oct 15 09:21:00 2024
    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    The birth rates are low in part because most families can no longer afford
    to have a lot of kids, especially if they want those kids to go to college.

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    At the very least an admission that they don't want to do anything about it.

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Funny thing here is that many leftists are against population growth
    because it is bad for the environment or bad for some other reason.

    Lower birth rate = fewer people for the government to have to take care of,
    but also means a smaller tax base for the government to milk.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Oct 15 15:15:58 2024
    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate in USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Funny thing here is that many leftists are against population growth because it is bad for the environment or bad for some other reason.

    That's a good point. Millions of migrants who came from around the world, who won't be vetted until 2030 or later, can not be expected to follow any of our recycling, environment, health, or safety laws. They can't even be expected to follow our murder laws. Is murder good for the environment? lol

    Lower birth rate = fewer people for the government to have to take care of, but also means a smaller tax base for the government to milk.

    Clinton the businessman is just trying to make a good business decision.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Oct 16 01:25:41 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We
    need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    Women make babies. But only if they are young enough, and capable.

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional
    importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    Women make babies. But only if they are young enough, and capable.

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Women make babies. But only if they are young enough, and capable.

    And they need our help.

    So we should give it to them.

    All the help they need.

    Free of charge.

    It is our duty, and obligation.

    Thomas Jefferson said so himself, in his Declaration of Independence.
    Telling us his own reasons why all men should do as he says - "Life,
    liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." King George did not like that.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Oct 16 01:25:47 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates RL>AT>in
    the USA

    Sooo... Once again, the fix for the problem that THEY caused RL>(i.e. low
    birth rates) is to let them fix the problem by creating RL>yet another problem - that they'll need to fix.

    These are not "problems" for elites, but "opportunities."

    Missed opportunities. So many of them.

    Like Pogo said, "I have met the enemy, and he is us."

    That's right. Guys need to fuck more women. That is the only
    way to increase our birth rate. Otherwise, the American species
    will die out and we will become extinct.

    [..]

    I've said it before: The Elitists want a return to feudal times RL>where
    they are the rulers and everyone else are slaves/serfs/etc.

    How far away from that are we?

    Ever since the end of the Roman Empire, civilization has existed
    on various forms of feudalism.

    They already have their servants attending rallies for a candidate that was
    preselected for them by elites.

    The MAGA crowd is eager to chant their slogan ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed Oct 16 01:25:53 2024
    Hello Björn,

    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign
    event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the
    USA."

    Fox Fake News reported. LOL! Really?

    Oh, come now. Fox News would never lie to you.
    And neither would Bill Clinton. So what does that
    tell you?

    "If you are a Republican, Donald Trump has made a liar of you. He
    has coaxed and intimidated tens of millions into pretending he was
    reelected in 2020, and that the election was stolen. ... Former
    President Trump is a sore loser who cannot be trusted to honor the Constitution. That is why I am voting for Kamala Harris to be our
    47th President." ~Geraldo Rivera, Fox News

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the
    intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    Yeah, because all migrants in the US ever since The White Man stole the land
    from the natives were undocumented, right? Ahem... that includes your ancestors, no? Or are you actually a Redskin? Nah, I didn't think so.

    Redskins, Braves, Indians, Chiefs, we love our Injun names.
    And what do the politically correct do? Tell us to get rid of
    them. All of them. Including Columbus Day. Imagine that. Had
    to get rid of the name of the guy who discovered America.
    Now we call it Indigenous Peoples Day. What a crock!

    Who do YOU think built the USA?

    Indentured servants!

    And now the MAGA morons think it's time to stop the build.

    FDR put an end to the practice of indentured servants.
    He also put an end to the Great Depression.

    Fuck future generations; who cares about them?

    Face the facts. The world is running out of white people. If it
    was not for brown people, and black people, and yellow people, we
    would be losing population here in the USA. Not so much red people,
    but they have their own place on reservations so they're fine. The
    rest of the world's population of white folks is in the same boat.
    Russia is desperate, with the number of widows trying to find a
    new mate. And Ukraine is almost as desperate. And it is not just
    Russia and Ukraine, but every country in Europe.

    Yes, the world is running out of white people.

    Rather than mass deportation, Trump should be looking at
    creating a new government program - paying women to make babies.
    It worked out great for Benito Mussolini.

    Democrats had a similar program years ago called AFDC (Aid for
    Families with Dependent Children). The way that worked, women
    got paid for every kid they made. But first they had to make
    the kid. The guys who got them preggers did not qualify, but
    could be sued for costs if ever found.

    Are brainwashed leftists on-board with this statement? We need more
    undocumented migrants? And we need them because of the low birth rate
    in the USA? We need more migrants because of statistics?

    Brainwashed MAGA morons like you here show over and over again what happens
    when you drop out of elementary school. The reason behind the well-known statement can be explained by elementary school maths.

    What the MAGA crowd fears most is white people no longer being the
    majority of the population. The only way to prevent that is to get
    rid of folks who are non-white. Sooner, rather than later. Hence
    Project 2025 - the blueprint on how to do it.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Oct 15 17:57:40 2024
    Like Pogo said, "I have met the enemy, and he is us."

    That's right. Guys need to fuck more women. That is the only
    way to increase our birth rate. Otherwise, the American species
    will die out and we will become extinct.

    It's not gonna work if you keep aborting them.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Oct 16 11:11:27 2024
    Lee Lofaso -> Aaron Thomas skrev 2024-10-16 01:25:
    That's right. Guys need to fuck more women. That is the only
    way to increase our birth rate. Otherwise, the American species
    will die out and we will become extinct.

    Unfortunately for the MAGA Cult Members, that means there will no longer be any new contributions to the DNA.

    If they only fuck their relatives, they get the monoculture that a long time ago destroyed the Neanderthals like every other monoculture in Mother Nature's creation.

    The USA evolved into one of the best experiments in human history simply by allowing and assisting the most brilliant people on Earth to come and help out with their diluted DNA gene pool.

    And now? CLOSE THE BORDERS! NO MORE SMART PEOPLE! WE ARE NOW THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET! THE BEST DNA IN HUMAN HISTORY! THANK YOU GOD FOR DOING THIS! AMEN!



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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Oct 16 07:48:57 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    These are not "problems" for elites, but "opportunities."

    Exactly. They create problems, then "fix" them to create more problems. All the while molding the world into what **they** want.

    How far away from that are we? They already have their servants
    attending rallies for a candidate that was preselected for them by
    elites.

    Probably as close to fuedal times than since... well, feudal times.

    We already have gov't that can step in seize your property without charging you with anything. We already have people in prison for speaking out against the election cheating in 2020. We already have Elitists in power who commit blatent crimes and don't get charged. And the most egregious crimes are covered up and buried - by the people who are supposed to be invetigating them.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Oct 16 06:05:08 2024
    How far away from that are we? They already have their servants attending rallies for a candidate that was preselected for them by elites.

    Probably as close to fuedal times than since... well, feudal times.

    We already have gov't that can step in seize your property without charging you with anything. We already have people in prison for
    speaking out against the election cheating in 2020. We already have Elitists in power who commit blatent crimes and don't get charged. And the most egregious crimes are covered up and buried - by the people who are supposed to be invetigating them.

    They already have everything they want except for unlimited puppetry in the white house. Once they get Trump out of the way, it will be all downhill from there.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wed Oct 16 09:45:00 2024
    We already have gov't that can step in seize your property without charging yo

    Yep.

    We already have people in prison for speaking out against the
    election cheating in 2020.

    I think this had a lot more to do with how they "spoke out" and not that
    they just spoke out. While they "spoke out" in a similar manner to those
    that "spoke out" during the prior summer, they made a goof and did so at
    the Capitol.

    We already have Elitists in power who commit
    blatent crimes and don't get charged.

    I think that has been going on for most of our lifetimes at least.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Oct 17 07:16:31 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They already have everything they want except for unlimited puppetry in the white house. Once they get Trump out of the way, it will be all downhill from there.

    Which is why this election is critical.


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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Oct 17 11:40:09 2024
    On 14 Oct 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign event "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    If he said it, from an economic standpoint, he's not necessarily wrong.

    Even Trump darling Elon Musk has been very, very vocal about the need for increased birth rates to support capitalist growth. Heck, Vance has been pushing this agenda for longer than he's been the nominee. It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That's a cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    RS

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Randall Schad on Thu Oct 17 15:25:34 2024
    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    If he said it, from an economic standpoint, he's not necessarily wrong.

    There are things that supersede the economy, like being protected from undocumented illegal migrants who have no background check and won't until 2030 or later. Things like that are what expose Bill Clinton's reptilian skin.

    Even Trump darling Elon Musk has been very, very vocal about the need for increased birth rates to support capitalist growth. Heck, Vance has been pushing this agenda for longer than he's been the nominee. It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    I don't follow JD Vance closely. Did he say that we need undocumented illegal migrants without background checks?

    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That's a cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    But the way the Democrats want to do it are NOT cornerstone for us.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Oct 18 07:15:47 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Randall Schad <=-

    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That's a cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    But the way the Democrats want to do it are NOT cornerstone for us.

    It never is. They
    1. Create a problem - i.e. low birth rate due to abortion on demand, fear mongering, the jabs, etc.
    then
    2. Implement a fix - i.e. import a bunch of illegals who don't want to become Americans.

    But the end result is bad for the U.S. But the Elitists get the sheeple population that they want to rule over, instead of the thinking population that doesn't believe their B.S.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Oct 18 06:17:02 2024
    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    But the way the Democrats want to do it are NOT cornerstone for us.

    It never is. They
    1. Create a problem - i.e. low birth rate due to abortion on demand, fear mongering, the jabs, etc.
    then
    2. Implement a fix - i.e. import a bunch of illegals who don't want to become Americans.

    But the end result is bad for the U.S. But the Elitists get the sheeple population that they want to rule over, instead of the thinking
    population that doesn't believe their B.S.

    Imagine the worst case scenario of low birth rate: Grocery stores close because there's not enough groceries or there's not enough employees, and we're forced to grow our own food, and food becomes scarce and expensive.

    Horrible, right? But not as horrible as being forced to defend ourselves against millions of murderous migrants. I'd rather starve than be stabbed.

    But Jimmy Kimmel's studio audience doesn't see things my way :(

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RANDALL SCHAD on Fri Oct 18 09:22:00 2024
    It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    My problem with this component is that I do not understand any assumption
    that the "saved" baby is going to grow up and be a contributing part of the economy.

    Most pro-life folks want to paint those who want/get abortions as being irresponsible and possibly evil. I think that is wrong but, since that is their viewpoint, I am not sure how they believe someone raised by such
    an irresponsible parent (who was forced to have the child) is going to grow up to be anything but the same.

    I also find it very contradictory that they want to force these folks to
    have their kids, yet most of them don't want to have to pay any extra taxes to support said kids, and most of them are not out there adopting these kids
    left and right.

    If they were practicing what they preached, they should have a whole house
    full of "saved from abortion" adopted kids... 10 or 20 at least.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Oct 18 09:23:00 2024
    Even Trump darling Elon Musk has been very, very vocal about the need for
    increased birth rates to support capitalist growth. Heck, Vance has been pushing this agenda for longer than he's been the nominee. It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    I don't follow JD Vance closely. Did he say that we need undocumented illegal migrants without background checks?

    I don't think that is even what Bill Clinton said.

    Vance is apparently an increased birth rate supporter but likely wants it
    done in a different manner (i.e. bigger families).


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Randall Schad on Fri Oct 18 18:08:39 2024
    Hello Randall,

    Fox News reported that Bill Clinton said at a Harris-Walz campaign
    event
    "We need the migrants because of the low birth rates in the USA."

    I wasn't at the event, but this sounds like an admission of the
    intentional importation of millions of undocumented migrants.

    If he said it, from an economic standpoint, he's not necessarily wrong.

    Doesn't matter whether he said it or not. The fact of the matter is,
    guys in this country need more women to fuck. Without enough women to
    make babies, the population of this country will continue to decline.

    Even Trump darling Elon Musk has been very, very vocal about the need for increased birth rates to support capitalist growth.

    He's a fascist. His robotaxi company (to be unveiled in 2027) needs
    no drivers, and will pick up customers anywhere and everywhere. For
    a cost, all of it profit for Elon Musk himself. And what will this
    fleet of robotaxis use for fuel? Air. A bunch of hot air.

    Heck, Vance has been pushing this agenda for longer than he's been the nominee. It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    You eat beans, don't you? Of course you do. Beans are aborted plants.
    That makes not just you, but all vegetarians, and vegans, abortionists.
    As well as everybody else. No beans about it.

    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That's a cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    It is about time conservatives come to their senses. A new government
    program, promoting women and childbirth. Later expanding that program
    to another new government childcare program - for women who rejoin
    the workforce - thus subsidizing women for giving men what they want.

    What a wonderful idea!

    If only conservatives can find somebody to pay for it ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 18 10:39:52 2024
    component to the anti-abortion movement.

    I don't follow JD Vance closely. Did he say that we need undocumented il migrants without background checks?

    I don't think that is even what Bill Clinton said.

    I don't believe that Bill Clinton is allowed to be against illegal immigration, and I'm quite sure it was a slip of the tongue when he said "the ones who killed that girl weren't vetted properly."

    Vance is apparently an increased birth rate supporter but likely wants it done in a different manner (i.e. bigger families).

    Yea there are at least a dozen things worth trying first before we resort to importing millions of migrants without background checks.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Oct 18 10:42:18 2024
    If he said it, from an economic standpoint, he's not necessarily wron

    Doesn't matter whether he said it or not. The fact of the matter is,
    guys in this country need more women to fuck. Without enough women to
    make babies, the population of this country will continue to decline.

    The Democrats are importing men who will do that to you, and that's why you need to vote for the guy with the small penis. He will hurt us a lot less.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Sat Oct 19 16:31:05 2024
    It must be penis envy that drives the MAGA crowd wild -

    "The Democrats are importing men who will do that to you,
    and that's why you need to vote for the guy with the small penis.
    He will hurt us a lot less." ~Aaron Thomas, 10/18/2024

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Oct 19 14:14:01 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Imagine the worst case scenario of low birth rate: Grocery stores close because there's not enough groceries or there's not enough employees,
    and we're forced to grow our own food, and food becomes scarce and expensive.

    Like I said, the Elitists want a return to feudal times.

    Horrible, right? But not as horrible as being forced to defend
    ourselves against millions of murderous migrants. I'd rather starve
    than be stabbed.

    There's a reason they are bussing them only into Left-run areas.

    But Jimmy Kimmel's studio audience doesn't see things my way :(

    Who? :) I haven't watched that drivel since his "I told my kids I ate all their Halloween candy" videos.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Oct 21 09:57:00 2024
    I don't believe that Bill Clinton is allowed to be against illegal immigration
    and I'm quite sure it was a slip of the tongue when he said "the ones who killed that girl weren't vetted properly."

    Illegal migrants never are vetted properly. During at least the last
    four years I doubt that all legal migrants are vetter properly, either.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 21 11:01:22 2024
    I don't believe that Bill Clinton is allowed to be against illegal immigration
    and I'm quite sure it was a slip of the tongue when he said "the ones wh killed that girl weren't vetted properly."

    Illegal migrants never are vetted properly. During at least the last
    four years I doubt that all legal migrants are vetter properly, either.

    It would be dangerous for the flight crew if the Democrats are flying in unvetted migrants, and it could also be dangerous for people on the ground.

    But danger is the name of the game for all those thrill-seeking voters.

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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 21 15:24:34 2024
    On 17 Oct 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    If he said it, from an economic standpoint, he's not necessarily wron

    There are things that supersede the economy, like being protected from undocumented illegal migrants who have no background check and won't
    until 2030 or later. Things like that are what expose Bill Clinton's reptilian skin.

    Oh, there certainly are things that should be placed at a higher priority than the economy. A person's dermis isn't one of them.

    More on the other bit later.

    Even Trump darling Elon Musk has been very, very vocal about the need increased birth rates to support capitalist growth. Heck, Vance has b pushing this agenda for longer than he's been the nominee. It's a fai component to the anti-abortion movement.

    I don't follow JD Vance closely. Did he say that we need undocumented illegal migrants without background checks?

    To summarize, he said the country needs more humans. In the debate, he boiled it down to something akin to "grooming" or "manipulation," but his words were that we need to build trust in him and his party to take action against their nature.

    The reference was regarding Ohio's abortion ballot issue, where the state elected to keep abortion (aka women's rights) legal.

    The idea behind it was the same -- we need more people to grow the economy.

    A steadily increasing population is crucial for economic growth. That cornerstone of the conservative economic agenda.

    But the way the Democrats want to do it are NOT cornerstone for us.

    What doesn't make sense here is that there's some hidden conspiracy to keep undocumented immigrants flowing into the country by the millions. Meanwhile, the process to enter the country in any "legal/acceptable" way requires some rather Olympic quality jumping through bureaucratic hoops and paperwork.

    The days of hopping off the boat at Ellis Island, showing some form of ID, signing your name to a book, and going about your business don't exist anymore. The narrative coming from the "close the border" people is they just want immigrants to do that, and they're refusing such a simple request, so they must be out to deal fentanyl and rape babies or some other unspeakably nefarious thing.

    Look, I'm with you. I want people to come through legally, and I want to see some form of legitimate documentation. But we don't need some form of Iron Curtain operation to get there.

    RS

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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 21 16:06:58 2024
    On 18 Oct 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    My problem with this component is that I do not understand any assumption that the "saved" baby is going to grow up and be a contributing part of the economy.

    I suppose there are statistics that validate the idea. We always need more general laborers we can undervalue and push to overperform.

    Most pro-life folks want to paint those who want/get abortions as being irresponsible and possibly evil. I think that is wrong but, since that
    is their viewpoint, I am not sure how they believe someone raised by such an irresponsible parent (who was forced to have the child) is going to grow up to be anything but the same.

    This is perhaps the most well-worded take to similar viewpoints I've ever read. The next time my wife and I get into this particular discussion (which will certainly be within the next couple days), I fully intend to adopt (pardon the pun) and share it.

    I also find it very contradictory that they want to force these folks to have their kids, yet most of them don't want to have to pay any extra taxes to support said kids, and most of them are not out there adopting these kids left and right.

    If they were practicing what they preached, they should have a whole
    house full of "saved from abortion" adopted kids... 10 or 20 at least.

    I couldn't agree more. I appreciate your thoughts, as always.

    RS

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Randall Schad on Mon Oct 21 15:09:52 2024
    The idea behind it was the same -- we need more people to grow the economy.

    I'll take your word for it, but I'm surprised that JD Vance said something like that. It seems like bad logic to me.

    What doesn't make sense here is that there's some hidden conspiracy to keep undocumented immigrants flowing into the country by the millions. Meanwhile, the process to enter the country in any "legal/acceptable"
    way requires some rather Olympic quality jumping through bureaucratic hoops and paperwork.

    Yes. I have the same complaint.

    Look, I'm with you. I want people to come through legally, and I want to see some form of legitimate documentation. But we don't need some form
    of Iron Curtain operation to get there.

    The ones here illegally need to go. Trump said that his "mass deportations" would begin with the ones who are fugitives. That sounds fair to me.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RANDALL SCHAD on Tue Oct 22 09:04:00 2024
    It's a fair component to the anti-abortion movement.

    My problem with this component is that I do not understand any assumption that the "saved" baby is going to grow up and be a contributing part of the economy.

    I suppose there are statistics that validate the idea. We always need more general laborers we can undervalue and push to overperform.

    I guess there is that, assuming the mother (who didn't want the kid)
    actually took care of herself and didn't drink or do lots of drugs while
    she was pregnant. Otherwise, I have doubts they could even contribute at
    that level.

    Most pro-life folks want to paint those who want/get abortions as being irresponsible and possibly evil. I think that is wrong but, since that is their viewpoint, I am not sure how they believe someone raised by such
    an irresponsible parent (who was forced to have the child) is going to grow up to be anything but the same.

    This is perhaps the most well-worded take to similar viewpoints I've ever read
    The next time my wife and I get into this particular discussion (which will certainly be within the next couple days), I fully intend to adopt (pardon the
    pun) and share it.

    Be my guest! ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RANDALL SCHAD on Tue Oct 22 09:43:00 2024
    The days of hopping off the boat at Ellis Island, showing some form of ID, >signing your name to a book, and going about your business don't exist anymore.

    IIRC, they also screened them for diseases. There was an
    infirmary/sanitarium they were kept in until they got better. Also, at
    some point during the 1930s or 1940s they were turning some people away if
    they had certain potentially contageous diseases.

    I may be under the false impression that they could also control the number
    of immigrants allowed in. During at least WWII (maybe or maybe not
    before), they could and did decline entry to persons who didn't have papers
    to prove who they were and where they were from.

    The narrative coming from the "close the border" people is they just want >immigrants to do that, and they're refusing such a simple request, so they must
    be out to deal fentanyl and rape babies or some other unspeakably nefarious >thing.

    I would like to see them go back to something similar to the "Ellis Island days" described above... you need ID, you need to be vetted for diseases,
    the numbers can be controlled... but anything more organized than now would
    be an improvement.

    Look, I'm with you. I want people to come through legally, and I want to see >some form of legitimate documentation. But we don't need some form of Iron >Curtain operation to get there.

    I have friends who have immigrated legally. I don't know if it bothers
    them that much, but it bothers me to no end that they have so many hoops to jump through doing it the legal way, while others seem to be able to do it
    much easier by just showing up at the southern border and saying "asylum"
    with little proof of who they are or where they came from.


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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Oct 23 17:19:26 2024
    On 21 Oct 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    The ones here illegally need to go. Trump said that his "mass deportations" would begin with the ones who are fugitives. That sounds fair to me.

    I just worry about the execution here. I can see a number of ways that goes sideways.

    Just thinking out loud here: rather than immediate deportation, what if there's some window of time where identified persons have the opportunity to provide the requisite documentation to be here legally.

    If documentation and vetting is the issue, that saves a lot of money and military activity (and "What? We really have uniformed military going door to door?")

    RS

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Randall Schad on Wed Oct 23 20:21:20 2024
    The ones here illegally need to go. Trump said that his "mass deportations" would begin with the ones who are fugitives. That sound fair to me.

    I just worry about the execution here. I can see a number of ways that goes sideways.

    Yea, it seems like a lot of things can go wrong with the "round-up," but it's got to be done because even more things can go wrong with the letting them hang around.

    Just thinking out loud here: rather than immediate deportation, what if there's some window of time where identified persons have the
    opportunity to provide the requisite documentation to be here legally.

    That sounds like a better-than-nothing idea.

    If documentation and vetting is the issue, that saves a lot of money and military activity (and "What? We really have uniformed military going
    door to door?")

    Some people are extremely irritated by unvetted migrants roaming freely, irritated enough to want the military to go door-to-door, nazi style. But if Kamala wins, then those irritated people will have to suck it up, and we'll just keep them all.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Oct 24 09:43:00 2024
    But if
    Kamala wins, then those irritated people will have to suck it up, and we'll just keep them all.

    Someone will probably contradict you on this so I will give you a quick
    tip... google Kamala Harris Telemundo Interview. It should give you plenty
    of ammo.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Oct 24 10:00:04 2024
    But if
    Kamala wins, then those irritated people will have to suck it up, and we just keep them all.

    Someone will probably contradict you on this so I will give you a quick tip... google Kamala Harris Telemundo Interview. It should give you plenty of ammo.

    Thanks! But let's hope that I never need to use it.

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