SOURCE: KVOA-TV
https://youtu.be/Clx1GYyu10g?si=j-QNKkHWnoY4S8TH
SOURCE: KVOA-TV
https://youtu.be/Clx1GYyu10g?si=j-QNKkHWnoY4S8TH
I skimmed through the video, but there's only 1 victim. Just that Myra gal. (Maybe she is suffering from hypochondria.)
I skimmed through the video, but there's only 1 victim. Just that Myra g (Maybe she is suffering from hypochondria.)
That is the only one they interviewed here. If you go back to the
article in my first post, there were others. This video also mentions
how many others and where they were all seated.
The idea of it being an issue with the lights used to illuminate that
part of the stage seems to make sense.
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The media's obsession with it though, would have people believing that they should stay away from Trump rallies.
The media's obsession with it though, would have people believing tha they should stay away from Trump rallies.
Because too many Ignorant Elitists who go to Trump rallies become MAGA supporters afterwards.
The idea of it being an issue with the lights used to illuminate that part of the stage seems to make sense.
Some of the venues are more modern than others. The venue in Indiana, PA is a brand new building, but the pa system is junk, and I had difficulty hearing Trump (and others) speak. This leads me to believe that other venues could easily have awful lighting systems that are horrible for human eyes.
The media's obsession with it though, would have people believing that they should stay away from Trump rallies.
The media's obsession with it though, would have people believing tha >RL>AT> they should stay away from Trump rallies.
Because too many Ignorant Elitists who go to Trump rallies become MAGA supporters afterwards.
Is that really happening? Or is it just their paranoia?
I wouldn't be surprised if attending a Trump rally changes people.
The media's obsession with it though, would have people believing that t should stay away from Trump rallies.
I would think the likelihood of possibly being shot at would weigh more heavily on people's minds than this.
I have run into a few Trump voters who were very passionate about him
and, come to find out, they eventually reveal that they were also very passionate about Obama *at least* before his first term, and maybe even voted for him twice. One was old enough to have been a Clinton voter in the 1990s.
I suspect these people are drawn to charisma and are looking for a "leader." I would be concerned that they might be easy prey for someone running a cult. If it was simply being drawn to a political platform, I doubt they'd find much in common between Obama and Trump so it wasn't that.
The "temporarily do before becoming disgruntled" crowd may also share
this draw to charisma and looking for a "leader" with the folks
mentioned above but, once they realize they haven't found what they are looking for, *or* get convinced that what they wanted is now "bad," they turn against (and maybe violently) whoever they've previously been following.
If you want examples of this, look at both of the would-be Trump assassins. The one in PA was supposedly a former conservative Republican who decided it was time to start donating to "blue" causes, and then it was time to shoot Trump. The FL one was supposedly a former Trump supporter who became disillusioned, may have also started supporting "blue" causes, and then also decided it might be time to shoot Trump.
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Because too many Ignorant Elitists who go to Trump rallies become MAGA supporters afterwards.
Is that really happening? Or is it just their paranoia?
I wouldn't be surprised if attending a Trump rally changes people.
I wouldn't be surprised if attending a Trump rally changes people.
Probably mostly because they get red pilled almost immediately and can
see how many lies the Elitists push.
There was a neat video that went viral where a reporter (an actual one, not a propagandist) invited a black guy to the "Trump side". He was fearful that they wouldn't accept him. Instead, he was accepted with
open arms and everyone was laughing and having fun.
Then the reporter had the black guy take her over to the "Left side" and she was met with hatred and screaming and yelling. The look on the
guy's face when he realized who the evil people actually were.
I have run into a few Trump voters who were very passionate about him and, come to find out, they eventually reveal that they were also very passionate about Obama *at least* before his first term, and maybe even voted for him twice. One was old enough to have been a Clinton voter in the 1990s.
I wanted to vote for Obama in 2012 because I really thought he was going to give me affordable health care in return. Since he lied, that's a reason right
there for me to become disgruntled with Democrats, but by now it's got very little to do with it at this point.
I suspect these people are drawn to charisma and are looking for a "leader." I would be concerned that they might be easy prey for someone running a cult. If it was simply being drawn to a political platform, I doubt they'd find much in common between Obama and Trump so it wasn't that.
You're probably right, and I realize that you've been awakened since longer ag
than I have been, and it's natural that you've noticed these consistencies.
Personally, I like the charisma factor because it helps them win. Trump has th
charisma to win. But if charisma wasn't needed for a win, then I would care less and they could be as monotone or as boring as they want, as long as they can get the job done.
That's nutty, but it could happen. I think it makes logical sense for recently
awakened people to strongly reject the left, even in a vicious way.
If you want examples of this, look at both of the would-be Trump assassins. The one in PA was supposedly a former conservative Republican who decided it was time to start donating to "blue" causes, and then it was time to shoot Trump. The FL one was supposedly a former Trump supporter who became disillusioned, may have also started supporting "blue" causes, and then also decided it might be time to shoot Trump.
When looking at it that way, it seems like a pattern that disgruntled follower
are following, but that sounds too convenient to me. The media and the government want us to see that pattern so that they can convince us that they're not the ones trying to kill Trump.
I wanted to vote for Obama in 2012 because I really thought he was
going to give me affordable health care in return.
"Affordable health care" actually meant "gov't controlled, taxpayer funded health care". And, ya, their ponzi scheme didn't really work.
That could be another factor for others, too. I am probably a little cynical my thinking that, platformwise, Obama would have little to offer
a potential Trump voter, and vise-versa. There are issues that could be very important and draw a voter to someone they might not otherwise consider.
I am going to take "awakened" here to mean "born" and not "WOKE!" :D
That could be another factor for others, too. I am probably a little cynical my thinking that, platformwise, Obama would have little to offer
a potential Trump voter, and vise-versa. There are issues that could be very important and draw a voter to someone they might not otherwise consider.
While boring people are not likely to win (never have been), when I mentioned charisma I was thinking in terms of above and beyond the level that other politicians have. Someone who is seen not only as a potential leader of the country, but as a potential cultural and moral leader also.
I don't think they are trying to kill Trump. That said, I also don't think they are doing much to discourage anyone who might be motivated to do so from doing so. The press seemed to very briefly realize and
Tulsi Gabbard cited a poll where supposedly 1/4 of Democrats surveyed stated that they hoped, or would not care, if Trump was assassinated. While I am not sure of her source, it is a little concerning that people might hope that. People who do must not realize, or don't care about,
the potential chaos that event could cause.
There have been many politicians over the years that I have not liked, including some I may have even hated, but I never found myself wishing that on any of them. Murder is wrong, yes, but I also see where whatever happens next could be even worse than whatever supposed bad that politician was causing.
That could be another factor for others, too. I am probably a little cynical my thinking that, platformwise, Obama would have little to offer a potential Trump voter, and vise-versa. There are issues that could be very important and draw a voter to someone they might not otherwise consider.
But the media won't ask the right questions, the ones that could
potentially unite us, and they always let the media handle the debates. It's not fair.
That could be another factor for others, too. I am probably a little cynical my thinking that, platformwise, Obama would have little to offer a potential Trump voter, and vise-versa. There are issues that could be very important and draw a voter to someone they might not otherwise consider.
It would be helpful to know who the delegates are and to know what appeases them.
While boring people are not likely to win (never have been), when I mentioned charisma I was thinking in terms of above and beyond the level that other politicians have. Someone who is seen not only as a potential
leader of the country, but as a potential cultural and moral leader also.
That's so Trump! He's all of that to a lot of people. Where do we find more candidates like him?
Tulsi Gabbard cited a poll where supposedly 1/4 of Democrats surveyed stated that they hoped, or would not care, if Trump was assassinated. While I am not sure of her source, it is a little concerning that people might hope that. People who do must not realize, or don't care about, the potential chaos that event could cause.
What kind of chaos would it cause? The left would have what they want, then they can pay some guy like Romney to be our Republican president.
Yea I don't wish death or violence on anybody either, but people who depend on
the squandering of billions of US taxpayer dollars will resort to it if they have to.
Then the reporter had the black guy take her over to the "Left side"and
she was met with hatred and screaming and yelling. The look on the
guy's face when he realized who the evil people actually were.
A nice thing about a Trump rally is that you're surrounded by nothing but Trump supporters. When I went to the Indiana, PA, my son said "Dad I think I saw someone wearing a Kamala Harris shirt," and I told him "No, there are
nothing but Trump supporters all around us and nothing but Trump supporters
for miles and miles."
Trump supporters value each other because we're all working together
But the media won't ask the right questions, the ones that could potentially unite us, and they always let the media handle the debates. not fair.
They've tried televising town halls in the past but it turns out that someone feeds the attendees the questions beforehand so it is all fake, too.
What questions do you think they should ask candidates that would "unite us" while not pandering to one candidate or the other that they are not asking?
The delegates are supposed to vote based on the outcome of the election
in their state. It has been a long while since there have been any rogue delegates in large numbers who actually were able to cast votes that counted.
We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us
down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.
What kind of chaos would it cause? The left would have what they want, t they can pay some guy like Romney to be our Republican president.
So you think that someone can just shoot a President, or candidate, and nothing bad happens? There are posters in this very echo that have mentioned the violence they expect should Trump be killed. That is
chaos.
A nice thing about a Trump rally is that you're surrounded by nothing Trump supporters. When I went to the Indiana, PA, my son said "Dad I I saw someone wearing a Kamala Harris shirt," and I told him "No, the are
nothing but Trump supporters all around us and nothing but Trump supporters
for miles and miles."
I hate to bust your bubble, but he lied.
An elderly lady needed a ride to one of his rallies.
And she really gave me no choice in the matter.
So I had to do it.
Not only that, but I had to also buy her a hat.
You know, one of those silly red hats.
Problem was, they ran out of those red hats and she was left out.
She was so disappointed. Sorely disappointed.
So I had to buy her a giant red banner - with Trump's name on it.
Then came Insurrection Day.
You know what I am talking about.
January 6, 2021.
The day Trump gave a pep talk to his goon squad.
What questions do you think they should ask candidates that would "unite us" while not pandering to one candidate or the other that they are not asking?
The media could start asking the real questions at hand, to unite us. Everyone
wants to know what's with all the migrants, what's with all the money wasting,
what's up with the corrupt Republican committees? What's up with the US military exit from Afghanistan? Why doesn't the house of reps do anything abou
any of our problems? What's our status with nuclear safety? Is our military being forced to do unsafe things for the sake of being woke? Is the USA still colluding in the intentional mutation of SARS viruses?
How safely is China storing the GX_P2V virus?
Those questions being answered by the media, would unite a lot of us I bet.
The delegates are supposed to vote based on the outcome of the election in their state. It has been a long while since there have been any rogue
delegates in large numbers who actually were able to cast votes that counted.
Are you sure? The delegate is required to vote for the winner of the popular vote?
We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.
I don't know what you mean by this?
So you think that someone can just shoot a President, or candidate, and nothing bad happens? There are posters in this very echo that have mentioned the violence they expect should Trump be killed. That is chaos.
What violence are they talking about though? How do they know that?
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A nice thing about a Trump rally is that you're surrounded by nothing
but Trump supporters.
Trump supporters value each other because we're all working together to break the chains that Kamala Harris has bound us with.
Democrats think they can afford to alienate
white people, but Trump supporters are smart enough to realize that we can't afford to alienate anybody.
Everyone
wants to know what's with all the migrants, what's with all the money wasting,
what's up with the corrupt Republican committees? What's up with the US military exit from Afghanistan? Why doesn't the house of reps do anythin abou
any of our problems? What's our status with nuclear safety? Is our milit being forced to do unsafe things for the sake of being woke? Is the USA colluding in the intentional mutation of SARS viruses?
How safely is China storing the GX_P2V virus?
Many questions on many (but not all) of the above topics were asked
during the debate. In most all cases, both candidates danced around or ignored them. You cannot blame the hosts if they ask the questions and the candidates refuse to give straight answers.
Those questions being answered by the media, would unite a lot of us I b
But how many people believe the media, especially on the Trump side? We have at least two posters here who have come right out and said they
don't trust the media -- I think one has even said they don't watch the news at all. How would that unite us when at least one whole side
either doesn't believe, or doesn't even pay attention, to anything the media says?
There have been some rogue individual delegates who do ultimately try to vote for someone else but their votes are not always counted.
Some states were playing around with the idea of basically giving up
their own voice and requiring their state delegates to vote for the
winner of the *national* popular vote. It was mostly blue states and I don't know whether or not any state decided that.
This pertains to the Presidential general election electoral votes. I have no idea how each state's Democrat and Republican parties select
their delegates/superdelegates for the primaries and, obviously, they don't always vote for who the people in their state choose. Up until
very recent times, IIRC the Democrats in particular were not at all required to necessarily pick whoever won the most state delegates.
Their conventions were always "open."
Do you honestly expect that nothing at all would happen if Trump was
shot, someone that you and apparently many others believe is "Chosen by God"? Just look at 2020. A man who wasn't even known outside of his
local area died and people rioted all over.
nothingA nice thing about a Trump rally is that you're surrounded by
"Dad ITrump supporters. When I went to the Indiana, PA, my son said
"No, theI saw someone wearing a Kamala Harris shirt," and I told him
are
nothing but Trump supporters all around us and nothing but Trump
supporters
for miles and miles."
I hate to bust your bubble, but he lied.
Who lied?
An elderly lady needed a ride to one of his rallies.
And she really gave me no choice in the matter.
So I had to do it.
Not only that, but I had to also buy her a hat.
You know, one of those silly red hats.
Problem was, they ran out of those red hats and she was left out.
She was so disappointed. Sorely disappointed.
So I had to buy her a giant red banner - with Trump's name on it.
Will you buy me a banner? I'm old too.
That's funny that you drove to a Trump rally! I wish you would have joined the lady at the rally. You would have had fun!
Then came Insurrection Day.
You know what I am talking about.
January 6, 2021.
The day Trump gave a pep talk to his goon squad.
The real insurrection day is the day that The NIAID unleashed COVID-19 on President Trump.
They seem to not understand that even though you can take a group and
make general statements about the group as a whole, but you can't an individual from the group and expect that individual to match all the general attributes of the group.
But when you remember that these Elitists want to control everything, it becomes clear as to why they do this: Groups are easier to control than individuals.
Who lied?
You lied to your son about "Trump supporters all around us and
nothing but Trump supporters for miles and miles" - which means
at least a few confederates of the opposition were present.
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That's a good way to sum it up. They don't want anyone thinking outside
of the box because the box is their ticket to our money.
I don't remember them asking ANY of these questions. I remember them asking about Project 2025, Trump tariffs, abortion, Haitian recipes, and that's about
it.
If the media asked questions that the middle class cared about, then I think a
lot more of us (left/right) would be united. When they ask questions like "Isn't Project 2025 a cool thing?" they are obviously just trying to hurt Trum
and to score points for Harris.
There have been some rogue individual delegates who do ultimately try to vote for someone else but their votes are not always counted.
I haven't payed much attention to the contrast between popular vote and electoral vote of the years, but I will pay close attention this time because this election is so important.
Some states were playing around with the idea of basically giving up their own voice and requiring their state delegates to vote for the winner of the *national* popular vote. It was mostly blue states and I don't know whether or not any state decided that.
So the states can individually make rules for the delegates? That's messed up.
There's too many hands in the pot.
The stuff you're telling me is setting off multiple alarms in my head. Each state's party selects the delegates? That sounds like a very bad problem. The New York GOP is incredibly corrupt. And those villains have the power to selec
delegates for the presidential election? That's not good at all. I don't trust
em! Nobody should ever trust their state's party officials. Not for a second.
I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.
I don't expect that the MAGA people would riot. It's just not what we do. We have jobs, we're not on a quest for free stuff, and we don't have time for jail. I assure you that I'm a major MAGA guy and I promise you that I'm not gonna protest if something doesn't go my way.
As some one who is in the middle class, I am a little concerned about Project 2025 and do want reassurance that both candidates see that
overall it is not a good plan. Trump said it had some good things and some bad things, which is correct.
I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.
The fewer times the national anything tells your state what to do, the better.
I don't expect that the MAGA people would riot. It's just not what we do have jobs, we're not on a quest for free stuff, and we don't have time f jail. I assure you that I'm a major MAGA guy and I promise you that I'm gonna protest if something doesn't go my way.
This could be said with a straight face until January 6, 2021. No one
can say that about their side any more.
That is a problem to me, IMHO. The President isn't supposed to be the cultural and moral leader of the country. That is how Obama got elected. We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us
down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.
As some one who is in the middle class, I am a little concerned about Project 2025 and do want reassurance that both candidates see that overall it is not a good plan. Trump said it had some good things and some bad things, which is correct.
Why are you concerned about it though?
I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.
The fewer times the national anything tells your state what to do, the better.
I don't trust any of the party, but I trust the RNC more than I trust the NY GOP. The RNC gave us Trump, while the NY GOP hands elections to Democrats ever
year. That's a big difference.
I will do a lot for Trump but I won't protest for him. If the Democrats cheat, >there's nothing I can do about it. They cheated before, they'll cheat again, I >won't walk out my front door because of it.
I'm critical of people who overreact to things and I try to not do it myself.
That is a problem to me, IMHO. The President isn't supposed to be the cultural and moral leader of the country. That is how Obama got elected.
We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.
This.
It's more akin to a European prime minister role, perhaps? General fiscal policy, foreign relations, military command, and pushing legislative priorities.
I abhor the amount of power that particular office has (and/or is perceived to
have), and I'm frustrated that the general attitude continues to appear to wan
to elevate it.
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