I was listening to a local radio talk show, and a guy was trashing Trump because of something that Trump's sister said about him. She called him a "psycho," so this caller thinks that's a good reason not to vote for Trump.
It's dumb to trash someone based on what they heard other people say. Do lefties have any legitimate reason to trash Trump? Trump is precisely what is best for the USA right now, and the media is the problem because they know how to manipulate dumb people.
How about the Classified documents?
The Donald claimed there was an "illegal", "unconstitutional" and "un-American"
raid on Mar-A-Lago. Of course it was a court authorized search that returned a >trove of boxes containing highly sensitive state secrets.
I could go on but I think you get the idea?
I was listening to a local radio talk show, and a guy was trashing Trump because of something that Trump's sister said about him. She called him a "psycho," so this caller thinks that's a good reason not to vote for Trump.
It's dumb to trash someone based on what they heard other people say. Do lefties have any legitimate reason to trash Trump? Trump is precisely
what is best for the USA right now, and the media is the problem because they know how to manipulate dumb people.
It's dumb to trash someone based on what they heard other people say. Do lefties have any legitimate reason to trash Trump? Trump is precisely wh best for the USA right now, and the media is the problem because they kn how to manipulate dumb people.
How about the Classified documents?
The Donald claimed there was an "illegal", "unconstitutional" and "un-American" raid on Mar-A-Lago. Of course it was a court authorized search that returned a trove of boxes containing highly sensitive state secrets.
I could go on but I think you get the idea?
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I could go on but I think you get the idea?
No, I'm sorry, but I don't get the idea. What do classified documents have to do with this?
You're doing the same thing that the caller to the radio show did;
accuse somebody of something based on what other people say.
Also, the media has reported that the classified documents case against
Trump has been dismissed (which makes this conversation even more unintelligent.)
I could go on but I think you get the idea?
No, I'm sorry, but I don't get the idea. What do classified documents ha do with this?
You asked why "lefties" would trash talk Trump. That's why "lefties" and others might trash talk Trump.
You asked why "lefties" would trash talk Trump. That's why "lefties" and
others might trash talk Trump.
But his classfied docs case was dismissed,
and the Russia collusion was debunked,
and he never trash-talked soldiers because it's been debunked by witnesses and there's no video or audio evidence of it.
So what else you got?
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No, I'm sorry, but I don't get the idea. What do classified documents
have to do with this?
You're doing the same thing that the caller to the radio show did;
accuse somebody of something based on what other people say.
Also, the
media has reported that the classified documents case against Trump has been dismissed (which makes this conversation even more unintelligent.)
How about the Classified documents?
The Donald claimed there was an "illegal", "unconstitutional" and "un-American" raid on Mar-A-Lago. Of course it was a court authorized search that returned a trove of boxes containing highly sensitive state secrets.
I could go on but I think you get the idea?Don't embarrass yourself, more than you already have.
and the Russia collusion was debunked,
Russian collution was never debunked and as you know the russians are still interfering.
So what else you got?
The Jan 6 case, and more.
Trump really didn't do anything for America generally. A tax cut for the rich,
yeah he did that and plans to do more of that but nothing for regular folks.
You're doing the same thing that the caller to the radio show did;
accuse somebody of something based on what other people say. Also, the media has reported that the classified documents case against Trump has been dismissed (which makes this conversation even more unintelligent.)
How about the Classified documents?
The Donald claimed there was an "illegal", "unconstitutional" and
"un-American" raid on Mar-A-Lago. Of course it was a court authorized
search that returned a trove of boxes containing highly sensitive state
secrets.
You don't follow "current events" - like at all do you?
Apparently not, these findings were more then two months ago.
Perhaps the anger, and or the determination to "Get Trump" at any cost, for shadows or blurs what should be the commonsense of the importance of time... Speaking to this at this point, w/something that has transpired 2 months ago? you look? like (are) a dam fool.
From NBC NEWS
07/15/2024 10:03 AM
https://tinyurl.com/3fn6dm45
The federal judge overseeing Donald Trump's classified documents trial in Florida dismissed the case against the former president Monday on the grounds that the appointment of and funding for special counsel Jack Smith were illegal.
Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Smith as special counsel in Novembe
2022, tasking him with overseeing the federal investigations into Trump's
handling and retention of classified documents after he left office, as well a
his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.
Trump's lawyers argued in court papers filed in February that the appointments
clause of the Constitution does not permit the Attorney General to appoint, without Senate confirmation, a private citizen and like-minded political ally to wield the proprietorial power of the United States. As such, Jack Smith lacks the authority to prosecutorial this action.
I could go on but I think you get the idea?Don't embarrass yourself, more than you already have.
and the Russia collusion was debunked,
Russian collution was never debunked and as you know the russians are still >> interfering.
Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was debunked.
Interesting considering Putin, and now the Iranians, have either endorsed
or attempted to assist the Harris campaign.
So what else you got?
The Jan 6 case, and more.
Trump really didn't do anything for America generally. A tax cut for therich,
yeah he did that and plans to do more of that but nothing for regular folks.
Most of us "regular folks" who have jobs and actually try to be productive did much better during his term, pre-COVID, than we had before or since.
Trump's lawyers argued in court papers filed in February that the appoint
clause of the Constitution does not permit the Attorney General to appoin
without Senate confirmation, a private citizen and like-minded political
to wield the proprietorial power of the United States. As such, Jack Smit
lacks the authority to prosecutorial this action.
The DOJ has been appointing special counsel for years decades or more. There is nothing wrong that.
Biden had a special counsel for example.From Slate.com
Trump really didn't do anything for America generally. A tax cut for thrich,
yeah he did that and plans to do more of that but nothing for regular fo
and the Russia collusion was debunked,
Russian collution was never debunked and as you know the russians are still
interfering.
Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was debunked.
Not at all. Nothing was proved or trying to be proved.
Interesting considering Putin, and now the Iranians, have either endorsed or attempted to assist the Harris campaign.
Wrong. You believe the russian propaganda.
In what way? I don't know how you are doing, but I know the American economy i
stronger now that when Trump was in office.
I could go on but I think you get the idea?Don't embarrass yourself, more than you already have.
for thTrump really didn't do anything for America generally. A tax cut
regular forich,
yeah he did that and plans to do more of that but nothing for
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
Three Ways That Jack Smith Could Resurrect the Classified Documents Case
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
Not at all. Nothing was proved or trying to be proved.
It was. Links have been provided. Just because you never accepted that "collusion" was debunked doesn't make it not so.
Wrong. You believe the russian propaganda.
Putin did come out and say he hopes she wins.
The Iranians did hack the Trump campaign servers and tried to share the information with Biden/Harris.
In what way? I don't know how you are doing, but I know the American economy >> is stronger now that when Trump was in office.
Stronger than when he was in office, pre-COVID, no.
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stronger now that when Trump was in office.
Stronger than when he was in office, pre-COVID, no.
You asked why "lefties" would trash talk Trump. That's why "lefties" an >> others might trash talk Trump.
But his classfied docs case was dismissed,
Yes. Aileen dismissed it on the doubious grounds Jack Smith was
unlawfully appointed. Jack Smith has appealed that silly ruling and the case will be back up and running once the 11th circuit has dealt with it.
and the Russia collusion was debunked,
Russian collution was never debunked and as you know the russians are still interfering.
So what else you got?
The Jan 6 case, and more.
Trump really didn't do anything for America generally. A tax cut for the rich, yeah he did that and plans to do more of that but nothing for regular folks.
You're doing the same thing that the caller to the radio show did; accuse somebody of something based on what other people say.
Standard tactic of the Ignorant Elitists.
"It's bad enough that so many people believe things without any
evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else's opinion." -- Thomas Sowell
Also, the
media has reported that the classified documents case against Trump h been dismissed (which makes this conversation even more unintelligent
Don't use facts and logic with Alan. He can't handle them and it just triggers him.
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
He made America hate again. He and JD Vance lie about immigrants eating peoples pets.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I don't know what Trump did to deserve blame for the January 6
Vandalism. I don't think he's the one who sh!t on Nancy's desk and I
don't think he is the one who broke a window either.
If you feel like Trump did nothing for regular folks, then it probably depends on your definitions of "regular" and "folks."
If you feel like Trump did nothing for regular folks, then it probabl depends on your definitions of "regular" and "folks."
Remember that Alan imagines himself in the Elite category. He thinks
that by supporting the Elitists that he will be welcomed into their
ranks. He doesn't realize that they are playing him.
Wrong. You believe the russian propaganda.
Putin did come out and say he hopes she wins.
Putin is as believable as DJT.
The Iranians did hack the Trump campaign servers and tried to share the information with Biden/Harris.
Biden/Harris had no interest.
In what way? I don't know how you are doing, but I know the American econom
is stronger now that when Trump was in office.
Stronger than when he was in office, pre-COVID, no.
Yes, I am talking pre-covid. Look at the data.
Stronger than when he was in office, pre-COVID, no.
It is much stronger now. Here's a comparison written in March.
https://tinyurl.com/3hbx9cfj
Cost of living is another thing. Monthly bills, rent, groceries, gas and the like.
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
He made America hate again.
I don't know what Trump did to deserve blame for the January 6 Vandalism. I don't think he's the one who sh!t on Nancy's desk and I don't think he is the one who broke a window either.
Russian collution was never debunked and as you know the russians are
still interfering.
I understand. It depends on your definition of "debunked." Some would argue that it's when 2 bunk beds are separated.
Yes, I am talking pre-covid. Look at the data.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
He made America hate again.
The fault in this logic is believing the divide between Americans started with Trump. It actually started before he even decided to run for
President.
The loser in an election does not normally throw a rally for his now disgruntled supporters in DC on Electoral Vote Day. The fact that he requested that police security be beefed up that day shows that he knew things might get out of hand.
Did he know that they would ignore his requests to be "peaceful" and
cause the level of damage they did? That is unknown but, IMHO, an individual as smart as Trump (and his most ardent supporters) claim he
is should have known better.
He made America hate again.
The fault in this logic is believing the divide between Americans starte with Trump. It actually started before he even decided to run for President.
He's taken it to a whole new level.
The loser in an election does not normally throw a rally for his now disgruntled supporters in DC on Electoral Vote Day. The fact that he requested that police security be beefed up that day shows that he knew things might get out of hand.
Did he know that they would ignore his requests to be "peaceful" and
cause the level of damage they did? That is unknown but, IMHO, an individual as smart as Trump (and his most ardent supporters) claim he
is should have known better.
Yup I kinda knew he would, but I offered an opportunity to post a list of the Biden / Harris accomplishments, and this is not my first time making a request for such a list. I continue to wait.Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I think you need a refresher of the Trump Accomplishments.
It won't make a difference. He'll just ignore them.
He's taken it to a whole new level.
I have to agree here. Asterisk.
The shift in culture has gone to the point of allowing giant F-bomb FJB flags to be flown on the back of pick-up trucks, and that somehow not really being considered offensive.
He's leveraging and popularizing that hate, for sure. I won't go so far as to say he's the source, but he's certainly been a catalyst for a surge in vitriol and an unwillingness to have open-minded civil discourse.
When I was in my 30s, I took a few courses at a local community college. On occasion, I (as a then hardcore Libertarian) would sit for some incredible discussions with a liberal sociology professor and a conservative technology instructor over lunch. And somehow we easily managed to maintain positive interpersonal relationships.
Interactions like that now seem to have gone the way of the Woolly Mammoth.
Remember that Alan imagines himself in the Elite category. He thinks that by supporting the Elitists that he will be welcomed into their ranks. He doesn't realize that they are playing him.
This applies to most leftists. They never tell us what they gain from electing
Democrats, and because of that, we have every right to draw our own conclusions.
The fault in this logic is believing the divide between Americans started with Trump. It actually started before he even decided to run for President.
He's taken it to a whole new level.
The lies around Hatians eating dogs/cats/pets is just the latest example.
The loser in an election does not normally throw a rally for his now disgruntled supporters in DC on Electoral Vote Day. The fact that he requested that police security be beefed up that day shows that he knew things might get out of hand.
Did he know that they would ignore his requests to be "peaceful" and cause the level of damage they did? That is unknown but, IMHO, an individual as smart as Trump (and his most ardent supporters) claim he is should have known better.
This whole bit drives me bat-crap crazy.
He was still the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. If he wanted beefed u
security, he would have ordered it, and there would have been National Guard a
far as the eye could see.
Playing the "poor little ol' me asked for policeymens" card is bonkers, and I can't for the life of me figure out why he wasn't pummeled over the head with that.
The loser in an election does not normally throw a rally for his now disgruntled supporters in DC on Electoral Vote Day. The fact that he requested that police security be beefed up that day shows that he knew things might get out of hand.
Did he know that they would ignore his requests to be "peaceful" and cause the level of damage they did? That is unknown but, IMHO, an individual as smart as Trump (and his most ardent supporters) claim he is should have known better.
But based on all the info that's been released to the media, I don't think there's any proof that Trump is responsible for what happened.
The loser in an election does not normally throw a rally for his now disgruntled supporters in DC on Electoral Vote Day. The fact that he requested that police security be beefed up that day shows that he knew things might get out of hand.
It's ridiculous for leftists to cling to that event when someone asks them why
they don't like Trump. They can't pin it on him, and they can't honestly say that they were personally affected by it.
He's taken it to a whole new level.
The lies around Hatians eating dogs/cats/pets is just the latest example.
Dale and I had a conversation once, when that Chinese "weather balloon" was transitioning the USA, about whether or not a lie is a lie if it is based on bad info received from others.
We concluded that, in this instance, the person who believes it to be true
is not lying, they are merely misinformed.
At the time Trump brought up pet eating in the debate, there was footage (shared here!) of townspeople complaining about these very things, including a couple who claimed to have witnessed these issues. These claims have since either been debunked or claimed to be "uncomfirmable" by authorities.
No rally in DC = no reason for a big group of disgruntled supporters to
be collected together in DC = no ignoring calls to be "Peaceful" and storming the Capitol.
That math checks.
If he hadn't been dumb enough to hold a rally for his disgruntled supporters, and there had still been a storming of the Capitol, there'd
be no culpability here. The media and D's might try to pin it on him,
but there'd be no logical way for it to stick. As is, he hosted a large gathering, that he still brags about the size of to this day, and chaos was the result.
We concluded that, in this instance, the person who believes it to be true is not lying, they are merely misinformed.
That is true. A person can be misinformded and then spread that disinformation
This story is a lie on the face of it.
Trump is still talking about this at his rallies. He says these people will be
deported when he gets elected.
The Hatian immingants in Springfield are there leagally. Springfield had jobs that needed to be filled so they invited the Hatians there to fill those jobs and they did.
Now schools and businesses in springfield have been closed because of bomb threats.
That doesn't explain the continuing saga that DJT keeps talking about.
No rally in DC = no reason for a big group of disgruntled supporters to be collected together in DC = no ignoring calls to be "Peaceful" and storming the Capitol.
That math checks.
Trump could have handled things differently, and if he had done things differently, it's possible that the riot would have never happened..
But under that logic, nobody should do anything because all the things that people do have consequences.
If he hadn't been dumb enough to hold a rally for his disgruntled supporters, and there had still been a storming of the Capitol, there'd be no culpability here. The media and D's might try to pin it on him, but there'd be no logical way for it to stick. As is, he hosted a large gathering, that he still brags about the size of to this day, and chaos was the result.
A "loser's rally" isn't necessarily a bad idea. I get more annoyed by candidates who walk away quietly.
Trump is still my leader and that won't
change until a capable person takes his place.
That doesn't explain the continuing saga that DJT keeps talking about.
I have not seen him bring up pet eating in more recent public
engagements, but it could be that my local press is ignoring it. Maybe Aaron, who has recently attended a rally, can confirm. I will take your word for it, though.
A "loser's rally" isn't necessarily a bad idea. I get more annoyed by candidates who walk away quietly.
Getting a bunch of disgruntled people together is most certainly a bad idea and a recipe for disaster. He should have seen trouble coming and, seeing as how he asked for a larger law enforcement presence, apparently he did see the issue with holding such a rally.
Maybe I am just missing it but it seems like, this time, he is pointing out a lot of what is broken but not really giving us any idea about his plans to fix it. "You liked me before" isn't really good enough now
that the many of the issues facing us have changed. I would feel more confident of his capability if he'd start addressing potential solutions to issues more and less time simply pointing them out. I feel this way about the Republicans in general lately.
Going back to "capable," Harris hit me as the incapable type until very recently. I am not sure how they've done it, but they coached her well
to keep a straight face and not resort to cackling during the debate. I was actually surprised at how different she seemed, but the past 4 years still leave me with plenty of questions regarding her capability.
If you go to a bank with a friend and your friend decides to rob the bank while you're there, how guilty are you?
I realize that we have a long to-do list for a great leader, but the media has
a lot of people stirred up about the border. Trump has been somewhat clear about how he wants to handle that. He hasn't been clear about how he will "cut
your utility bills in half." I believe what he's saying, but I can't expect certain moderates to just take his word for it the same way I do.
Going back to "capable," Harris hit me as the incapable type until very recently. I am not sure how they've done it, but they coached her well to keep a straight face and not resort to cackling during the debate. I was actually surprised at how different she seemed, but the past 4 years still leave me with plenty of questions regarding her capability.
These are good observations, and I see it this way also. She can act smart suddenly, but what's smart about the past 4 years?
Going back to "capable," Harris hit me as the incapable type until ve recently. I am not sure how they've done it, but they coached her we to keep a straight face and not resort to cackling during the debate. was actually surprised at how different she seemed, but the past 4 ye still leave me with plenty of questions regarding her capability.
These are good observations, and I see it this way also. She can act
smart suddenly, but what's smart about the past 4 years?
If you go to a bank with a friend and your friend decides to rob the ban while you're there, how guilty are you?
Did I drive him there, and did I drive him away afterwards? Was I coerced? Did I have any prior knowledge of his plans or reasons to
suspect what he was up to?
He has been clear about the border. Most other issues, as you have noticed, he has not been so. I don't think you can take a politician's word when it comes to promises like cutting a utility bill in half. They need to give us an idea about how they plan to do it.
I agree about the past four years. I also am very much aware that she
has served up plenty of word salad over those four years. However, some news outlets (FOX News in particular) continue to "point out" more
recent alleged salads where, for the most part, she is making sense *despite* the horrible video editing done by whoever it is trying to
prove she makes no sense.
Now I don't agree with what she is saying but, just as we might tell a "never-Trumper," just because I don't agree with what is said doesn't
make it "word salad" or "crazy talk."
These are good observations, and I see it this way also. She can act smart suddenly, but what's smart about the past 4 years?
This angle confuses me. I can't think of a time since I've been voting where people tried so hard to make believe the VP was the incumbent.
These are good observations, and I see it this way also. She can smart suddenly, but what's smart about the past 4 years?
This angle confuses me. I can't think of a time since I've been votin where people tried so hard to make believe the VP was the incumbent.
Just being part of the administration that did so much harm makes people blame her for it all.
Just being part of the administration that did so much harm makes peo blame her for it all.
That's not what I hear, though. I hear "she should have done all the things already that she's promising to do now."
Not at all. Trump speaks to crowds of 10,000+ supporters all the time, day after day, and he NEVER had any trouble like the January 6 troublemakers. He's
told millions of people to "fight fight fight" and there hasn't been any fight
at any Trump rallies.
He has been clear about the border. Most other issues, as you have noticed, he has not been so. I don't think you can take a politician's word when it comes to promises like cutting a utility bill in half. They
need to give us an idea about how they plan to do it.
He's also been clear about abortion in that he was president when abortions were put under control of the states. Clearly he wants to let the states decide, although he's worried about what that means for late term abortions.
I agree about the past four years. I also am very much aware that she has served up plenty of word salad over those four years. However, some news outlets (FOX News in particular) continue to "point out" more recent alleged salads where, for the most part, she is making sense *despite* the horrible video editing done by whoever it is trying to prove she makes no sense.
I'll take your word for it that Kamala made sense one day, but that was a day like no other. Lies can be coherent, but they can never truly "make sense."
Now I don't agree with what she is saying but, just as we might tell a "never-Trumper," just because I don't agree with what is said doesn't make it "word salad" or "crazy talk."
Until Kamala starts telling us why her administration let in more than 20 million migrants without visas, everything she says is technically the definition of "world salad."
These are good observations, and I see it this way also. She can act smart suddenly, but what's smart about the past 4 years?
This angle confuses me. I can't think of a time since I've been voting where people tried so hard to make believe the VP was the incumbent. These are two very different offices with very different roles.
(This ignores the fact that
the President shouldn't be the one in charge of super-all-policy-and-power- everything in the first place, and I wish we could collectively get this offic
off THAT pedestal...)
I didn't hear anyone talking about Pence or Biden or Cheney or Gore or whomeve
in anywhere near the same realm of imaginary control as they have Harris.
Again, she's not my favorite person for the role, just making an observation o
the political tactic (which seems to have taken quite the solid hold).
That's not what I hear, though. I hear "she should have done all the things already that she's promising to do now."
It's just an odd take.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
This angle confuses me. I can't think of a time since I've been voting
where people tried so hard to make believe the VP was the incumbent.
Just being part of the administration that did so much harm makes people blame her for it all.
If Mike Pence was running for president, you wouldn't see liberals forgiving
him for his involvement with Trump.
None of his other rallies were down the street from where the Electoral Votes were being counted, either, and I doubt he suggests at any other rallies that the crowd should march down to somewhere else after he is done.
That is an issue that has already been decided. I want to hear more
about some of the plans for what sound like potential pie-in-the-sky promises.
Kamala is making some of those, too. The "$25,000 for first time home buyers" apparently has some fine print where "first time" means "first generation." So if your parents or grandparents owned a home in the US you won't qualify.
I'll take your word for it that Kamala made sense one day, but that was like no other. Lies can be coherent, but they can never truly "make sens
It isn't just one day. Her debate performance was not all word salad, either. Like I said before, she seemed like a different person there.
Until Kamala starts telling us why her administration let in more than 2 million migrants without visas, everything she says is technically the definition of "world salad."
No, it really isn't. That was the point I am trying to make. If you are "listening" to her and not listening because you've already decided she isn't for you, that doesn't make what she is saying "word salad" any more than when a never-Trumper "listens" to Trump and says he is babbling.
"Word salad" is when someone is speaking incoherently or throwing out a bunch of unrelated buzz phrases. Coherently saying something you just don't like doesn't not equal "word salad."
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
He has sure excercised a lot of control over Johnson and other MAGA members on certain issues. Don't vote the way I want you to and suffer the consequences of being labeled a RINO and being hounded by my most ardent supporters.
If Mike Pence was running for president, you wouldn't see liberals forgiving
him for his involvement with Trump.
Mike Pence ran for president in this election cycle.
He never made it to the first primary or caucus.
As such, liberals are excused for not having had time to forgive
him for all his mistakes.
None of his other rallies were down the street from where the Electoral Votes were being counted, either, and I doubt he suggests at any other rallies that the crowd should march down to somewhere else after he is done.
Being chosen by God puts pressure on a guy. :)
That is an issue that has already been decided. I want to hear more about some of the plans for what sound like potential pie-in-the-sky promises.
I don't think Trump needs many of those, it's just good vs evil and save the country vs trash the country. But Trump has mentioned no tax on tips, no tax o
overtime, and no tax on social security.
Kamala is making some of those, too. The "$25,000 for first time home >MP> buyers" apparently has some fine print where "first time" means "first >MP> generation." So if your parents or grandparents owned a home in the US >MP> you won't qualify.
I haven't heard about it but that's very snakey behavior. People who rent awful
apartments will walk right into that trap.
When Trump improperly referenced West Virginia (when he meant to say Virginia)
that was an opportunity for Harris to correct him and look smart, but she was too dumb to even do that.
Which part of the debate did she make sense on?
"Word salad" is when someone is speaking incoherently or throwing out a bunch of unrelated buzz phrases. Coherently saying something you just don't like doesn't not equal "word salad."
It's just that the things she talks about, that I heard, are extremely unimportant because I'm fixated on the border issue. Maybe that's how the leftists felt in 2020; they were fixated on covid-19, and it looked to them like Trump did it and he was refusing to fix it. Unless Trump would say "I fixed covid," the leftists didn't want to hear what he had to say.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
He has sure excercised a lot of control over Johnson and other MAGA members on certain issues. Don't vote the way I want you to and suffer the consequences of being labeled a RINO and being hounded by my most ardent supporters.
Did you see proof of Trump making those demands? I have not.
I'm a MAGA guy, but I don't need Trump to tell me that the border bill was no good. I would have sent an angry letter to my rep had he voted for that bill.
I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God." Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics will get you in a lot of trouble.
You brought up cutting power bills in half. That sounds pretty pie in
the sky that, I am guessing, could become true for some. I don't think
he can promise that to everyone and have it work out, though, without a really good plan.
I am on the fence about taxing OT. I think that should depend on how
much money you make overall. I have worked places where people are not making much and are working their tails off. I have also worked places where people are making plenty but are intentionally pissing about
during their alloted 40 hours so they winding up earning OT (and causing others who don't want it to get some, too). They should be taxed as
they are now.
I suspect that all of these things he is suggesting regarding "no tax on" will not really pan out the way people think, though. The President
won't have any control over what states do, and I am sure most of them will continue taxing whatever they are taxing now.
When Trump improperly referenced West Virginia (when he meant to say Virginia)
that was an opportunity for Harris to correct him and look smart, but sh too dumb to even do that.
She probably knew what he was saying, regardless of which state, has been debunked and that only die-hard never-gonna-vote-Harris people would
Most of it. She wasn't word-salading for the most part. Now, she completely ignored some questions for sure, but she was coherent.
It's just that the things she talks about, that I heard, are extremely unimportant because I'm fixated on the border issue. Maybe that's how th leftists felt in 2020; they were fixated on covid-19, and it looked to t like Trump did it and he was refusing to fix it. Unless Trump would say fixed covid," the leftists didn't want to hear what he had to say.
Back when the Republicans chose to vote against giving the President the power to close the border, weren't you one of the ones that said the border "wasn't important"?
If Mike Pence was running for president, you wouldn't see liberals
forgiving
him for his involvement with Trump.
Mike Pence ran for president in this election cycle.
He never made it to the first primary or caucus.
As such, liberals are excused for not having had time to forgive
him for all his mistakes.
Liberals actually started to like him when he began trashing Trump.
And I know that you guys would like having Pence for president because the world elite is also down with Pence.
Anything but Trump, because Trump refuses bribes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats-i ation-border-bill
It is better than what we have. Funny how the same people who complain about executive orders one minute are the same ones saying "he can
already do that (with an executive order)" the next.
It all started with the fly. Live and on camera, President Obama
showed the world what to do when a fly lands on your arm. Use your
hand on your other arm and swat it. One swat and that fly was dead.
With Pence it was an entirely different matter. We all watched
the debate, when a fly landed on top of Pence's head. The fly was
the star of the show, dancing around for all to see. And what did
Pence do? He just stood there. Staring at the camera. Without a
single thought in his head as to what to do.
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While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "Do Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because
it sure seems like it.
So, one year, the water fee went up a great deal. When the announcement was made (and it was made a few months BEFORE the fee went up), we were told that the city was charging us more and the association was passing
on those increases to us. They even included the calculations to show
how each unit went up, announcement from the city, etc.
It was amazing how many people were mad at the association because
someone else raised the cost of water.
I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God." Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics will get you in a lot of trouble.
Relying on a candidate being chosen by God would be a mistake, because we've got to do a lot more than just chant slogans.
Praying for Trump's victory is the way to go. I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.
You brought up cutting power bills in half. That sounds pretty pie in the sky that, I am guessing, could become true for some. I don't think he can promise that to everyone and have it work out, though, without a really good plan.
Has your bill gone up drastically since Biden became president? I've been watching mine climb, and I just paid a very ridiculous bill of $267 for August
which is more than double what it was last year. I used to only get bills this
high in the winter, and only in the coldest months like January and February.
While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems like it.
I am on the fence about taxing OT. I think that should depend on how much money you make overall. I have worked places where people are not making much and are working their tails off. I have also worked places where people are making plenty but are intentionally pissing about during their alloted 40 hours so they winding up earning OT (and causing others who don't want it to get some, too). They should be taxed as they are now.
It's kind of a gimmick, but not necessarily a bad one. And definitely not a gimmick that causes division.
I suspect that all of these things he is suggesting regarding "no tax on"
will not really pan out the way people think, though. The President won't have any control over what states do, and I am sure most of them will continue taxing whatever they are taxing now.
He's got to be talking just about Federal income tax. That will be a bigger amount than the state tax anyway (in most states at least.) So having that extra income not subject to Federal income tax sounds like something we could all probably live with.
She probably knew what he was saying, regardless of which state, has been
debunked and that only die-hard never-gonna-vote-Harris people would
Right - she probably knew that he was referring to Virginia, but I think she would have looked (kinda) smart if she corrected him on that. Then she could have went on to correct him for inaccurately describing the abortion law itself, but she failed. She doesn't actually know that facts any better than Trump does.
Stuff like that is why I don't get what anyone means when they say "Kamala did
good."
Most of it. She wasn't word-salading for the most part. Now, she completely ignored some questions for sure, but she was coherent.
That's more like it. She evaded questions. ("Is the USA better now than it was
4 years ago?") But how can you call that "coherent?" Because she evaded the questions in a coherent way?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats-
ation-border-bill
I'm sorry, but even after reading this article, I still don't see any proof that Trump had anything to do with the bill being killed.
"At the behest of Trump.." <- That doesn't mean anything to me. Is there any video evidence? The article doesn't say "Trump was in the room" or "Trump gave
a big thumbs-down to house members."
It is better than what we have. Funny how the same people who complain about executive orders one minute are the same ones saying "he can already do that (with an executive order)" the next.
Yea, all we can expect and hope for is for Trump to get elected so he can protect us from illegal immigrants for 4 more years. The senate doesn't want the mess cleaned up - just look at what's in that bill. That bill was going to
legitimize thousands of illegal crossings per day, which would make things difficult for a president who wants to "deport all illegals."
The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, what cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then that's the president's fault.
If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.
We need our president to act like our manager, and our
stuff is not being managed well.
I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God."
Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics MP>will get you ina lot of trouble.
Relying on a candidate being chosen by God would be a mistake, because we've
got to do a lot more than just chant slogans.
Praying for Trump's victory is the way to go.
I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.
While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wonde "D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems it.
No, but they do other things that make the cost of electricity for the companies higher. Also, some of the big companies (who sell to the smaller ones like we have here) probably are donating to one side or the other.
She got him off on tangents where he ranted about already-debunked or now-debunked situations at least twice, which played well to her supporters.
The fact that she did better than Biden probably made a lot of her supporters think she did "good."
I'm sorry, but even after reading this article, I still don't see any pr that Trump had anything to do with the bill being killed.
"At the behest of Trump.." <- That doesn't mean anything to me. Is there video evidence? The article doesn't say "Trump was in the room" or "Trum gave
a big thumbs-down to house members."
Him bad mouthing and suggesting the GOP vote against the bill was all
over the news. It is not my fault if you don't watch it.
It didn't legitimize illegal crossings. It allowed for a cap on
crossings at legal border crossings. The bill would have been a lot better than what we have now and didn't do anything to stop Republicans from passing something even more strict once Trump got into office.
Seeing how liberal Democrats voted against it because it was "too strict" tells me it was not a bad bill.
Since February, when the bill was killed, every single illegal that has got into the country is equally on the heads of Trump, Johnson, and all
of their cronnies as is is on the head of Biden. It stopped being the "Biden border crisis" at that point.
The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, what cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then t the president's fault.
It is only the President's fault if his/her policies caused the price to go up.
If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.
No in most cases it is not.
I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.
All the prayers in the world will come to naught as the
American people have the last and final say.
That's not what I hear, though. I hear "she should have done all the things already that she's promising to do now."
That's what Trump said about her. I'm just saying that she's guilty by association.
There are answers to certain questions that can be inferred:
Q: Why did Joe let in more than 20 million migrants without visas?
A: Because it will create more house seats that only Democrats can fill.
Q: Is Kamala a Democrat, like Joe?
A: Yes.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
Q: If Trump IS controlling congress, what are Democrats doing about it? A: Nothing.
I do remember a lot of non-supporters blaming Cheney for things that happened while Bush was President, and IIRC Gore also tried taking credit for some things that happened while Clinton was President.
Harris has most certainly been trying to take credit for things she
thinks are good, while distancing herself from things she thinks have
not turned out good, that resulted from Biden's Presidency.
(2) we now have his VP (who is the new candidate) showing up at places and events where you would normally expect to be seeing the President.
If you accept credit, even if it is something you didn't really accomplish yourself, you open yourself up for blame, too.
Has your bill gone up drastically since Biden became president? I've been watching mine climb, and I just paid a very ridiculous bill of $267 for August, which is more than double what it was last year. I used to only get bills this high in the winter, and only in the coldest months like January and February.
While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "Do Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because
it sure seems like it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democr ation-border-bill
I'm sorry, but even after reading this article, I still don't see any proof that Trump had anything to do with the bill being killed.
"At the behest of Trump.." <- That doesn't mean anything to me. Is there any video evidence? The article doesn't say "Trump was in the room" or "Trump gave a big thumbs-down to house members."
Q: Why did Joe let in more than 20 million migrants without visas?
A: Because it will create more house seats that only Democrats can fi
I still don't know where that 20 million number comes from. It certainly isn't an accurate representation of the immigrant population. The total immigrant population (all nationalities, including illegals) is
somewhere around 47-48 million, and it was 45 million under Trump.
That's a net gain of 3 million people over 4 years.
I did see a Pew research number somewhere that said the total illegal population was something like 11 million. That did not happen in 4 years.
Q: Is Kamala a Democrat, like Joe?
A: Yes.
Do you also have two arms and two legs, just like Joe?
Certainly that's a source of unending consternation.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
Interestingly enough, he did have enough pull to get congress to vote
down an immigration bill that both sides liked, seemingly because he needed the immigration platform for his campaign. So maybe that's not as true as we'd like.
Q: If Trump IS controlling congress, what are Democrats doing about i A: Nothing.
On THIS point, I'm in 100% agreement. Democrats have done embarrassingly little to solve much of anything in quite a while.
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The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However,
what causes electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then that's the president's fault. If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the president's fault too. We need our president
to act like our manager, and our stuff is not being managed well.
"At the behest of Trump.." <- That doesn't mean anything to me. Is th any video evidence? The article doesn't say "Trump was in the room" o "Trump gave a big thumbs-down to house members."
Trump, at the time, was very vocal about taking credit for the bill failing. I do recall reading an article then where it named specific people and phone calls made, but my Google-fu is weak today.
While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wond
"D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems
it.
No, but they do other things that make the cost of electricity for the companies higher. Also, some of the big companies (who sell to the smaller ones like we have here) probably are donating to one side or the other.
That was also part of my fear, that the extra money was being used against me. Apparently my fears aren't as irrational as I thought.
She got him off on tangents where he ranted about already-debunked or now-debunked situations at least twice, which played well to her supporters.
I don't remember Trump repeating debunked claims, but debunking is a word that
means a lot of different things to lots of different people. For example, my friend Alan thinks that debunking means reading typed words on websites. Do yo
remember when nobody ever used the word "debunk?" It was like 9 years ago.
The fact that she did better than Biden probably made a lot of her supporters think she did "good."
That's probably true. They are told what to believe, and the media has been telling everyone that she did good.
Him bad mouthing and suggesting the GOP vote against the bill was all over the news. It is not my fault if you don't watch it.
The news isn't a communications device for the president and congress. I don't
believe that Trump forced his opinion on anybody. And if he did, then there would have to be more to that story, like what violent thing did he threaten t
do to Mike Johnson if the legislation had passed? "You better listen to me boy." lol
It didn't legitimize illegal crossings. It allowed for a cap on crossings at legal border crossings. The bill would have been a lot better than what we have now and didn't do anything to stop Republicans from passing something even more strict once Trump got into office.
The way I remember reading it was "a cap on ILLEGAL border crossings."
Seeing how liberal Democrats voted against it because it was "too strict"
tells me it was not a bad bill.
Not bad for us but bad for them, and that's ultimately bad for us too because we need a few of their votes.
Since February, when the bill was killed, every single illegal that has got into the country is equally on the heads of Trump, Johnson, and all of their cronnies as is is on the head of Biden. It stopped being the "Biden border crisis" at that point.
I just don't see the Trump pressure.
The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, wha
cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then the president's fault.
It is only the President's fault if his/her policies caused the price to go up.
What about us needing a president who will be our rock?
If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.
No in most cases it is not.
He or she needs to be on top of those things instead of taking a beach vacation. They need to solve problems before they become problems - that's effective management.
I do remember a lot of non-supporters blaming Cheney for things that happened while Bush was President, and IIRC Gore also tried taking credit
for some things that happened while Clinton was President.
To a far lesser degree, I agree. I think my original statement (or intent, at least) was to say that I've never seen it this pronounced.
Harris has most certainly been trying to take credit for things she thinks are good, while distancing herself from things she thinks have not turned out good, that resulted from Biden's Presidency.
I admittedly have not been paying very close attention to her campaign, so I don't recall what those wins are that she's sharing credit for. (That's also partly because I don't think the administration really had any big wins in the
first place.)
If you accept credit, even if it is something you didn't really accomplish yourself, you open yourself up for blame, too.
Very fair assessment. After this conversation, I'll definitely be paying more attention to things like that.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
Interestingly enough, he did have enough pull to get congress to vote down an immigration bill that both sides liked, seemingly because he needed the immigration platform for his campaign. So maybe that's not as true as we'd like.
Q: If Trump IS controlling congress, what are Democrats doing about it? A: Nothing.
On THIS point, I'm in 100% agreement. Democrats have done embarrassingly littl
to solve much of anything in quite a while.
Again, not defending Harris. I'm saying on a lot of this stuff, there's nothin
to defend. The primary role of the VP is not to pass legislation.
Part of this is inflation as well, which is an issue that infuriates me to no end to hear being tossed at the feet of the current administration. Quantitative Easing was Trump's big play in 2019 and 2020.
The result was pumping out something along the lines of a 40% increase of pape
money in circulation. That, combined with the already escalating GLOBAL inflation issue, means that Trump and the Fed should be holding the bag on the
current inflation issue. That this isn't a major point of discussion is disgusting.
Interestingly enough, he did have enough pull to get congress to vote down an immigration bill that both sides liked, seemingly because he needed the immigration platform for his campaign. So maybe that's not as true as we'd like.
Mike tried to make that same argument but I guess I'll have to say this: it's been debunked.
Ex presidents don't control anything. Trump doesn't control
congress. He doesn't have "pull." If ex presidents controlled congress, which they don't, then what would the purpose of having a congress be?
That was also part of my fear, that the extra money was being used again me. Apparently my fears aren't as irrational as I thought.
Note that I said "probably" as I have no proof. There is a big gas and electric company on the West Coast that gets in trouble a lot but then seems to wiggle out of it, and it is a common belief that they are doing so by above-or-under-the-table donations.
If a company is really smart, they probably "butter both sides of the bread" and donate to both parties.
I'm talking about undocumented migrants; people without background
checks. Not "immigrants." I don't know where the numbers come from
either, but they are often reported by the media and they range from 7
to 20 million, while Trump has suggested that Biden may have let in
closer to 40 million undocumented migrants.
Also, this isn't about an "immigrant population," this is about the
number of foreigners who entered the USA without a visa while Biden was president.
I appreciate that but listen to yourself: illegal population? That is ridiculous. Think about it: 1) there hasn't been a census count since years before Biden opened the border 2) even if we did a census count yesterday, how many people are going to report it on paper that they are illegal immigrants? 3) there's no way to accurately measure the number
of illegal immigrants.
This means: Joe wants the border open, he has the same handlers as
Kamala, so therefore Kamala wants the border open too.
Q: Does Trump control congress?
A: No.
Interestingly enough, he did have enough pull to get congress to vote down an immigration bill that both sides liked, seemingly because he needed the immigration platform for his campaign. So maybe that's not true as we'd like.
Mike tried to make that same argument but I guess I'll have to say this: it's been debunked. Ex presidents don't control anything. Trump doesn't control congress. He doesn't have "pull." If ex presidents controlled congress, which they don't, then what would the purpose of having a congress be?
Q: If Trump IS controlling congress, what are Democrats doing ab A: Nothing.
On THIS point, I'm in 100% agreement. Democrats have done embarrassin little to solve much of anything in quite a while.
It's not just Democrats, there are no useful Republicans either. Not in congress at least.
I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.
All the prayers in the world will come to naught as the
American people have the last and final say.
Maybe some people need 4 more years of destruction. Maybe the Democrats are
doing that good of a job hiding everything from them.
It's hard to remember all that stuff, but it's easier to remember a narrative about Trump killing the bill as a campaign strategy. (Trying
to help you!)
Again, not defending Harris. I'm saying on a lot of this stuff, there's nothing to defend. The primary role of the VP is not to pass legislation.
One place where the VP does have responsibility and that could be used against them is in instances where they cast the Senate tie-breaker
vote. I am not aware of what, if any, bills that VP Harris has voted on.
Part of this is inflation as well, which is an issue that infuriates me end to hear being tossed at the feet of the current administration. Quantitative Easing was Trump's big play in 2019 and 2020.
The result was pumping out something along the lines of a 40% increase o pape
money in circulation. That, combined with the already escalating GLOBAL inflation issue, means that Trump and the Fed should be holding the bag the
current inflation issue. That this isn't a major point of discussion is disgusting.
My understanding is that the current administration did continue printing money, when they could have reversed the policy, so they are not
innocent in this.
Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.
Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.
That begs the question, then: if nobody can provide valid data, how can
we attribute anything to anyone? Either we're back to just making things up (which isn't above anyone, especially lately), or someone, somewhere, is gathering data and extrapolating numbers based on a combination of historical context, statistical processes, and a light dusting of conjecture.
Okay, I'm listening to myself. My self says that there is a valid, rough approximation of the entire population of the country, including people who aren't here legally. My self also says that political statements
that include numbers meant to incite fear and anger are grossly inaccurate.
The latest DHS report that I could quickly pull up lists "unauthorized immigrant population" (which, again, are the people we're both talking about) from 2018 to 2022.
That report also lists an approximate number of 11 million in 2022, with an annual entry estimate of just over 2 million. They do list the methodology for coming to those figures if you're interested.
All that aside, if, by your statement, we can't accurately measure it,
how can anyone blame the current administration for not improving it?
I did address this in another post. At some point I would really like to find the article that quoted someone as receiving a phone call from
Trump where he "asked" the congressman to shoot down the bill.
Are you willing to die for Trump? One person in Butler, Pennsylvania
did. And I am *not* talking about the bonafide nutcase who took out a piece of Trump's ear.
You see, this was a renewal of Moses being called at the Burning
Bush on Mt. Sinai, in Exodus 3:5. I'll let you and Björn read the
passage so y'all will know what I am talking about. Anyway, this
is when Moses goes down before the Lord, and the Lord says, "Take
off your shoes, for the place you are on is holy ground."
Now who is that poor soul who lost his life on Trump's account?
And who are the kids he left behind? And also his wife who is now
a widow?
The core of the issue on my side is that I don't think immigration is a problem in the first place. Not for Obama, nor for Trump, nor for Biden. It's a completely fabricated issue, and I didn't place much importance
on committing the specifics of that to memory.
Here's my direct question to you: if I go to the trouble of locating the article (which I'm quite sure I read), and it says that Trump asked any congressional member directly to kill the bill, will you then concede
that Trump holds some influential control over congress?
My interpretation of your prior statements leads me to think the answer
to that question is "no," which tells me I should spend my time doing something more enjoyable than scouring the internet for an article I really don't care about.
PS: I care less about narratives. Especially the immigration one in the first place.
[...]That begs the question, then: if nobody can provide valid data, how c we attribute anything to anyone? Either we're back to just making thi
historical context, statistical processes, and a light dusting of conjecture.
We can't take anyone's word for it that there are illegals lurking
around, but just look at the clear evidence. For example, police
recently arrested an illegal in my county who was wanted for 29 murders
in Peru. I can't confirm that he really is an illegal immigrant, I can't confirm that he killed anybody in Peru, but the fact that a story about
an illegal immigrant fugitive being found in my county ALMOST serves as proof that we really do have some illegals roaming around, and it ALMOST serves as proof that some of them are foreign fugitives.
I don't trust anyone's statistics or their news reports. I just lean one way or another when I start to see correlations.
What's more important is how to deport them all.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Randall Schad <=-
It's hard to remember all that stuff, but it's easier to remember a narrative about Trump killing the bill as a campaign strategy. (Trying
to help you!)
[...]That begs the question, then: if nobody can provide valid data, we attribute anything to anyone? Either we're back to just makin
historical context, statistical processes, and a light dusting o conjecture.
We can't take anyone's word for it that there are illegals lurking around, but just look at the clear evidence. For example, police recently arrested an illegal in my county who was wanted for 29 murde in Peru. I can't confirm that he really is an illegal immigrant, I ca confirm that he killed anybody in Peru, but the fact that a story abo an illegal immigrant fugitive being found in my county ALMOST serves proof that we really do have some illegals roaming around, and it ALM serves as proof that some of them are foreign fugitives.
I don't trust anyone's statistics or their news reports. I just lean way or another when I start to see correlations.
I can't tell at this point if you're being sardonic or serious, and I'd rather not have to spend energy working that out.
My understanding is that the current administration did continue printing money, when they could have reversed the policy, so they are not
innocent in this.
The current administration's print order was primarily for the bank bailout, which might even be worse from a policy standpoint.
Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.
How is it debunked? Didn't they agree that they were not going to
perform lifesaving treatment on abortion survivors, but that they would keep it comfortable until it died? Technically that's not infanticide,
but it's still neglect, abuse, and homicide. And if that's what Trump is talking about, then I agree with him.
Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.
Debunked how? There were also reports of migrants killing livestock back in 2021 when Biden first ripped the border open. This doesn't mean that all the migrants are doing it, but it could mean that it's happened before.
I did address this in another post. At some point I would really like to find the article that quoted someone as receiving a phone call from Trump where he "asked" the congressman to shoot down the bill.
An article can't prove what's being alleged. Unless it has text message death threats from Trump to the house GOP.
How is it debunked? Didn't they agree that they were not going to perform lifesaving treatment on abortion survivors, but that they would it comfortable until it died? Technically that's not infanticide,
but it's still neglect, abuse, and homicide. And if that's what Trump is talking about, then I agree with him.
No, he was talking about babies who are not born viable there. That
I asked this before but, if a birth is not viable (i.e. the kid will not live no matter what you do), I am not sure what people who are supposedly all about babies get so upset about wanting to keep a dying infant comfortable.
The alleged examples used in Internet memes... the cat eater who is actually a US citizen who doesn't live in Springfield, and the goose killer which also didn't happen in Springfield... have been debunked by local newspapers. I posted such a link to an article from the Canton newspaper that said straight up the person who killed the cat was a
known citizen with mental issues, and the incident happened in their
town, not Springfield.
An article can't prove what's being alleged. Unless it has text message threats from Trump to the house GOP.
When Trump brags about being responsbile at a rally, that is proof enough for me. Certainly, our rock who is chosen by God wouldn't lie to us!
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Oh! I didn't know it was at a Trump rally. But Trump is allowed to talk
to members of congress. Where is the proof that Trump demanded congress members to vote nay on the bill? Did he threaten them with violence or
did he threaten to ruin their career?
That report also lists an approximate number of 11 million in 2022,
with an annual entry estimate of just over 2 million. They do list
the methodology for coming to those figures if you're interested.
What's more important is how to deport them all.
Are you willing to die for Trump? One person in Butler, Pennsylvania
did. And I am *not* talking about the bonafide nutcase who took out a
piece of Trump's ear.
He didn't die for Trump.
He died because of Democrat rhetoric.
You see, this was a renewal of Moses being called at the Burning
Bush on Mt. Sinai, in Exodus 3:5. I'll let you and Björn read the
passage so y'all will know what I am talking about. Anyway, this
is when Moses goes down before the Lord, and the Lord says, "Take
off your shoes, for the place you are on is holy ground."
I'm glad you agree with me about Trump being chosen by God.
Now who is that poor soul who lost his life on Trump's account?
And who are the kids he left behind? And also his wife who is now
a widow?
If Democrats weren't such a big, big, big failure, then the shooting victim
wouldn't have been at the Trump rally.
Nobody would care who who's president.
Babies that are not viable are babies that are not expected to survive, so they're not going to provide lifesaving treatment to them. To me, that's homicide. That's not what they were discussing, but I'm glad it was brought
We want more to be done to help the infant instead of just giving up. When a patient or their family feels that the doctor at one hospital isn't trying har
enough to save their loved one, many people seek a 2nd opinion and/or a transfer to a different hospital. Also, if the abortion method performed was the cause of the live birth of a non viable fetus, then that method of abortio
needs to be banned.
The alleged examples used in Internet memes... the cat eater who is actually a US citizen who doesn't live in Springfield, and the goose killer which also didn't happen in Springfield... have been debunked by local newspapers. I posted such a link to an article from the Canton newspaper that said straight up the person who killed the cat was a known citizen with mental issues, and the incident happened in their town, not Springfield.
Trump might have chose a bad example to relate to dealing with migrants, but like you said, there are a lot of other migrant-related issues that can be tackled by bringing back Trump's border policies.
An article can't prove what's being alleged. Unless it has text message
threats from Trump to the house GOP.
When Trump brags about being responsbile at a rally, that is proof enough
for me. Certainly, our rock who is chosen by God wouldn't lie to us!
Oh! I didn't know it was at a Trump rally. But Trump is allowed to talk to members of congress. Where is the proof that Trump demanded congress members t
vote nay on the bill? Did he threaten them with violence or did he threaten to
ruin their career?
He didn't die for Trump.
Yes, he did. Trump said it himself, calling it "Divine intervention."
The term "Divine Intervention" means somebody had to die for Trump.
Had nobody been stricken dead, Trump would no longer be with us.
So a good man had to die, leaving behind a wife and two daughters,
for you to get your jollies watching an orange clown on stage.
Earth calling Aaron. Earth calling Aaron. Trump did not blame
Democrats or Republicans or even Reptilians for what happenened.
He called it "Divine Intervention" - thus making God a killer.
God is a cold-blooded killer, so you gotta believe. Or else.
Is that the Trump mantra?
Do you think taking a dying adult off life support is also murder,
because that is what this is, just with a baby instead of an adult.
I tire of this discussion as it is obvious it is going to either
continue down the same path of no matter what evidence is provided, or
get resolved only to pop back up the next time Trump or Vance or some other MAGA mouthpiece re-presents it as something that really happened.
When Trump brags about being responsbile at a rally, that is proof enough
for me. Certainly, our rock who is chosen by God wouldn't lie to u
Oh! I didn't know it was at a Trump rally. But Trump is allowed to talk members of congress. Where is the proof that Trump demanded congress mem t
vote nay on the bill? Did he threaten them with violence or did he threa to
ruin their career?
Trump bragged at a rally that he was the one responsible for killing the bill. I posted links to that the other day.
Still sounds like you are calling Trump a liar.
He didn't die for Trump.
Yes, he did. Trump said it himself, calling it "Divine LL>intervention."
It's not Trump's choice to make.
The term "Divine Intervention" means somebody had to die for Trump.
Had nobody been stricken dead, Trump would no longer be with us.
So a good man had to die, leaving behind a wife and two daughters,
for you to get your jollies watching an orange clown on stage.
Is this going to stop you from going to concerts?
Earth calling Aaron. Earth calling Aaron. Trump did not blame
Democrats or Republicans or even Reptilians for what happenened.
He called it "Divine Intervention" - thus making God a killer.
I get what you're saying now. Trump says God saved him, but under that logic, God didn't save the other man. However, that other man is a hero who
saved
his family and Trump, and he's also a hero for attending Trump rallies.
God is a cold-blooded killer, so you gotta believe. Or else.
Is that the Trump mantra?
But I don't think you understand that the awaken don't adhere strictly to anyone's guidelines.
We love Trump, but we'll disagree with him on certain things.
But I don't think you understand that the awaken don't adhere strictl anyone's guidelines.
A God that has no guidelines as to what to believe? My, my.
That's a new one. Tell me, please, what exactly does Trump believe
in? A God that let's you do whatever you want? With no concept of
good or wrong?
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