• Debate Review

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Wed Sep 11 06:40:46 2024
    The 1 and only (because Kamala is a coward) presidential debate of 2024 was pretty boring, but here are the highlights:

    Trump made a small mistake and said "West Virginia" instead of "Virginia." Kamala had the opportunity to correct him, but she's too dumb, and didn't.

    Kamala was asked "Is the country better now than it was 4 years ago?" Her response was "We have record-high inflation," which equates to "No."

    Kamala didn't speak with her Foghorn Leghorn accent, proving that she was just being a fake b***h at her speech in Detroit.

    Kamala used projection by saying that "Trump divides people by race," because that is absolutely 100% what Democrats, including herself, do every day.

    Kamala said that Covid-19 was an "endemic" when it actually was a pandemic, and she blamed Trump for "leaving us with the covid-19 endemic."

    Kamala put on a very guilty face each time Trump condemned her negligence. Ever seen a little girl who got in trouble for something? That's the face.

    Kamala didn't answer a single question that was presented to her. All she did was react childishly to everything Trump said.

    Kamala said "I'll reunite this deeply divided country," but that's the same thing that Biden said when he took office, and he didn't do it!

    Trump said Kamala had a meeting with Zelensky and Putin and then the war began 3 days later. Kamala didn't even deny it!

    Trump told Kamala "If you're going to close the border, stop wasting time and go do it right now." But she refused! And the border is still open!

    Kamala tried to shield herself from blame for Biden's actions. She was right there when he did all the damage! And now she distances herself from him?

    Trump prevailed in the debate. He proved what a liar Kamala ia and he did it effortlessly. When you're chosen by God to do a task, you prevail.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Sep 11 13:38:00 2024
    Trump made a small mistake and said "West Virginia" instead of "Virginia." Kamala had the opportunity to correct him, but she's too dumb, and didn't.

    Regardless of which Virginia it was, without the proper context (sort of
    like Trump's "good people" on both sides comment), it is a misquote. That the governor of Virginia was advocating killing live birth babies had been
    debunked repeatedly.

    Was the governor stupid to talk about non-viable births during a discussion about abortion? Probably.

    Kamala was asked "Is the country better now than it was 4 years ago?" Her response was "We have record-high inflation," which equates to "No."

    Yeah she didn't answer that one. She also sidestepped the question about
    why, if the Trump tarrifs are bad, has the current administration not
    rescended them. She also never answered, yes/no, the question of whether or not she's ever met Putin.

    Kamala used projection by saying that "Trump divides people by race," because that is absolutely 100% what Democrats, including herself, do every day.

    Whatever Trump quote they were asking about, Trump should have kept his
    mouth shut and never mentioned which race she claims to be. That was
    another example of him not knowing when to shut up and it came back to bite him.

    Trump prevailed in the debate. He proved what a liar Kamala ia and he did it effortlessly. When you're chosen by God to do a task, you prevail.

    You must have watched a different debate. Both of them dodged questions, although I give Kamala a slight edge as best dodger here, and Trump allowed
    her to pull him off topic a whole lot. He should have kept his Biden game
    plan from the first debate in place and not allowed her to drag him into a mudslingfest.

    As is, it was really more like watching two people being interviewed in parallel and doing nothing but attacking each other. Trump partisians are going to think he won, Harris partisians are going to think she won, and
    most of us are going to be screwed.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 12 07:25:24 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    Trump made a small mistake and said "West Virginia" instead of
    "Virginia." Kamala had the opportunity to correct him, but she's too
    dumb, and didn't.

    That's mostly because she was 100% scripted. Her handlers wouldn't let her go off script because that would highlight what a moron she is.

    Kamala didn't speak with her Foghorn Leghorn accent, proving that she
    was just being a fake b***h at her speech in Detroit.

    Trivia: Foghorn Leghorn was based on Senator Beauregard Claghorn (fictional). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator_Claghorn

    But everything about Kamala is fake.

    Kamala used projection by saying that "Trump divides people by race," because that is absolutely 100% what Democrats, including herself, do every day.

    Projection is the norm of the Elitists.

    Kamala didn't answer a single question that was presented to her. All
    she did was react childishly to everything Trump said.

    Again, her handlers wouldn't let her go off script for anything.

    Kamala said "I'll reunite this deeply divided country," but that's the same thing that Biden said when he took office, and he didn't do it!

    And it give us even more evidence (as if we needed it), that these people are pathological liars.

    Trump told Kamala "If you're going to close the border, stop wasting
    time and go do it right now." But she refused! And the border is still open!

    Bernie Sanders admitted on camera that she will say anything to get elected.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 12 08:22:12 2024
    Kamala said "I'll reunite this deeply divided country," but that's th same thing that Biden said when he took office, and he didn't do it!

    And it give us even more evidence (as if we needed it), that these
    people are pathological liars.

    In reality, there's no way to "unite the country" because we have the freedom to support one party or the other. We can "unite the states," but that's already been done. I think Harris/Biden are trying to use flowery words to attract idiots, which has always been their best policy.

    Trump told Kamala "If you're going to close the border, stop wasting time and go do it right now." But she refused! And the border is stil open!

    Bernie Sanders admitted on camera that she will say anything to get elected.

    He's right, and he's also right to be bitter. He's the one who should be on the ballot (not her.) It's safe to assume that the world's elite would rather bank on gender and skin color than on democracy and primary results.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 13 07:15:15 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    In reality, there's no way to "unite the country" because we have the freedom to support one party or the other. We can "unite the states,"
    but that's already been done. I think Harris/Biden are trying to use flowery words to attract idiots, which has always been their best
    policy.

    We used to be united in that we all (pretty much) wanted the same thing. The big difference in parties was how to accomplish it.

    Today you have the Leftists who want to destroy the country and everyone else wanting to preserve it. So, ya, there's no way to "unite the country" because the Left doesn't want to unite. Everything else is just a symptom of that.

    He's right, and he's also right to be bitter. He's the one who should
    be on the ballot (not her.)

    But he would lose. Bernie's a useless, stupid Communist. But he's at least honest about it.

    It's safe to assume that the world's elite
    would rather bank on gender and skin color than on democracy and
    primary results.

    Well, class warfare didn't work out. Even Marx was disappointed that the workers didn't rise up. He didn't understand that a "rising tide lifts all boats". But that was mostly because Marx never worked in his life.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Sep 13 09:04:00 2024
    In reality, there's no way to "unite the country" because we have the freedom

    Maybe not, but we used to be a lot more united than we are now. IMHO, it
    is another symptom of the internet/social media age.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Sep 13 18:00:04 2024
    In reality, there's no way to "unite the country" because we have the freedom to support one party or the other. We can "unite the states," but that's already been done. I think Harris/Biden are trying to use flowery words to attract idiots, which has always been their best policy.

    We used to be united in that we all (pretty much) wanted the same thing. The big difference in parties was how to accomplish it.

    Today you have the Leftists who want to destroy the country and everyone else wanting to preserve it. So, ya, there's no way to "unite the country" because the Left doesn't want to unite. Everything else is
    just a symptom of that.

    That's a good point. But they were too dumb to ask Biden "How you gonna do that?" It's actually a really good question. Trump has shown an interest in uniting us with the left in some ways, for example, he's bending on abortion, which is good because we need to compromise on that, and he's willing to help Ukraine "before inauguration day" which sounds a lot better than Harris-Biden's idea of "endless cash for years and years."

    We have to bend on some stuff to unite with the left because the left never will. They're still demanding a magic wand that promises to "fix everything."

    But will this be enough? It should be. The only talking point any leftists have had in the past few years is abortion (they are a bunch of Mr Garrisons.)

    He's right, and he's also right to be bitter. He's the one who should be on the ballot (not her.)

    But he would lose. Bernie's a useless, stupid Communist. But he's at least honest about it.

    Don't you think he would stand a better chance of winning than Kamala? I believe he got 2nd place in the decennial Democrats' primary.

    It's safe to assume that the world's elite
    would rather bank on gender and skin color than on democracy and primary results.

    Well, class warfare didn't work out. Even Marx was disappointed that the workers didn't rise up. He didn't understand that a "rising tide lifts all boats". But that was mostly because Marx never worked in his life.

    This explains why so many leftists admire him so much.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 13 18:07:46 2024
    In reality, there's no way to "unite the country" because we have the fr

    Maybe not, but we used to be a lot more united than we are now. IMHO, it is another symptom of the internet/social media age.

    I think you're right, but another big divider is abortion. The ones that are too dumb to think of anything smarter than that are all defaulting to "abortion" when asked why they endorse Kamala. Even dudes. They want to keep their options open in case they ever decide to cut it off (and that's yet another divider, but to a lesser extent.) In reality, I'm sure they just say it to impress some chick.

    Taylor Swift has inferred that she'd rather be murdered by illegals than have Trump tell her that she can't have an abortion, although she said it in different words. ("A woman's right to choose," or something like that.)

    (Trade-offs.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 14 14:02:20 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's a good point. But they were too dumb to ask Biden "How you gonna
    do that?"

    But here's the problem with the Leftists: They can't think for themselves. So the idea of asking "How you gonna do that?" doesn't even enter their heads.

    We have to bend on some stuff to unite with the left because the left never will. They're still demanding a magic wand that promises to "fix everything."

    Bending is how we ended up in this situation. We, as a country, need to decide what we will not bend on. Anyone who doesn't like that is free to leave. This isn't North Korea.

    But will this be enough? It should be. The only talking point any
    leftists have had in the past few years is abortion (they are a bunch
    of Mr Garrisons.)

    It won't. The current crop of Leftists are simply NPCs controlled by the Elitists.

    But he would lose. Bernie's a useless, stupid Communist. But he's at least honest about it.

    Don't you think he would stand a better chance of winning than Kamala?
    I believe he got 2nd place in the decennial Democrats' primary.

    Yes, Bernie has a better chance than Kamala, but no chance against Trump. People do not want socialism.

    Well, class warfare didn't work out. Even Marx was disappointed that the workers didn't rise up. He didn't understand that a "rising tide lifts all boats". But that was mostly because Marx never worked in his life.

    This explains why so many leftists admire him so much.

    Yup. I've seen this among many groups time and time again. They don't want the socialist-type leaders pushed out because they will have to actually work and certainly won't make the money that their inflated egos think they should.

    I first recognized this way back in the 1990's when Perot Systems (remember Ross Perot) was looking at taking over the Post Office. The postal workers paniced and protested something horrible. Because under Perot, most would be fired and the rest would have to actually put in a full day's work every day. They can't have that.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Sep 14 13:28:12 2024
    We have to bend on some stuff to unite with the left because the left never will. They're still demanding a magic wand that promises to "fi everything."

    Bending is how we ended up in this situation. We, as a country, need to decide what we will not bend on. Anyone who doesn't like that is free
    to leave. This isn't North Korea.

    We don't have to bend, but we may need our candidate to bend a little in order to get some needed votes.

    We can try to convince leftists (and moderates) to help us but that's hard to accomplish. It would be easier if our candidate bends a little for them now on something(s) that are less of a big deal. (Anything to save the country even if it can only be saved for 4 years.)

    Yes, Bernie has a better chance than Kamala, but no chance against
    Trump. People do not want socialism.

    Based on what I've seen, Kamala is just as big of a socialist as Bernie. All the Democrats are down with Socialism.

    Yup. I've seen this among many groups time and time again. They don't want the socialist-type leaders pushed out because they will have to actually work and certainly won't make the money that their inflated
    egos think they should.

    Good point. Too many people want to live a low budget lifestyle because they think that's better than working for a better life, and Democrats are threatening to force it on all of us.

    I first recognized this way back in the 1990's when Perot Systems (remember Ross Perot) was looking at taking over the Post Office. The postal workers paniced and protested something horrible. Because under Perot, most would be fired and the rest would have to actually put in a full day's work every day. They can't have that.

    He should have kept it quiet until after the election. We would have been better off with him instead of George HW.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 15 09:26:00 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    We don't have to bend, but we may need our candidate to bend a little
    in order to get some needed votes.

    If we are above 50% paracites, we're already done for.

    We can try to convince leftists (and moderates) to help us but that's
    hard to accomplish.

    You can't convince leftists. They already think that they are right and no amount of facts can change that. Hence why I don't bother responding to the Leftists here anymore.

    The moderates have already been convinced to vote against Socialism.

    It would be easier if our candidate bends a little
    for them now on something(s) that are less of a big deal. (Anything to save the country even if it can only be saved for 4 years.)

    But bend on what? The Left has already pushed their side so far left that there
    is no longer common ground.

    Back before the late 1960's, the parties had plenty of common ground. Today that is no longer the case. Hence why so many life-long Liberals have turned Republican because "the Democrat party left me".

    Based on what I've seen, Kamala is just as big of a socialist as
    Bernie. All the Democrats are down with Socialism.

    The Democrat party no longer exists. It's the Communist party with a different name.

    Good point. Too many people want to live a low budget lifestyle because they think that's better than working for a better life, and Democrats
    are threatening to force it on all of us.

    The "force it on all of us" is the problem. Even going back to my grandparent's day, there were people who wanted to live that "low budget lifestyle". And they were free to do so.

    But we don't have people who want to live "low budget". They want to live off handouts from the gov't - which ultimately come from those of us who actually work. With the Elitists taking their cut of what they take from us.

    He should have kept it quiet until after the election. We would have
    been better off with him instead of George HW.

    Arguably yes. But really, Ross wasn't a politician and shouldn't have tried to run in the first place. He would have made a good administrator, though.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Sep 15 19:40:32 2024
    It would be easier if our candidate bends a little
    for them now on something(s) that are less of a big deal. (Anything t save the country even if it can only be saved for 4 years.)

    But bend on what? The Left has already pushed their side so far left
    that there
    is no longer common ground.

    You're right. I was thinking that we could bend on abortion, like reinstate roe v wade, but what would we ask them to do in exchange for that?

    There's dozens of things that we need them to bend on, and they only want 1 thing from us (for us to allow infanticide.) And because of this ratio, we can't expect to cut a deal that would justify what we're bending on, unless they're willing to bend on a multitude of things for us in exchange for their 1 and only request.

    That's why Joe was full of it when he said it and that's why Kamala is full of it when she says it. We have the right to be divided on issues and there's no shame in it. Nobody's gonna "unite the country" unless they impose socialism on us and make it illegal for us to be divided on issues.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 16 07:10:41 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You're right. I was thinking that we could bend on abortion, like reinstate roe v wade, but what would we ask them to do in exchange for that?

    But all Roe vs. Wade did was make abortion legal at the federal level. It was nothing more than a ploy for the Elitists to have the Federal Gov't control everything. And it should never have been allowed to stand in the first place.

    Striking down Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than push the decision down to the states where it belonged in the first place.

    The whole "Roe vs. Wade" smoke that the Elitists are blowing is nothing more than to complain that the Fed can't force everyone to do something.

    There's dozens of things that we need them to bend on,

    But they'll never do it.

    Remember what I said about the Ignorant Elitists here: They can't discuss anything because while you come into the discussion with an attitude of "I believe I'm right, but I'm willing to listen to your arguments and you might change my mind", they come into the discussion with an attitude of "I'm right and I need to explain why you are wrong."

    There's no middle ground here. There's no compromise with these people.

    That's why Joe was full of it when he said it and that's why Kamala is full of it when she says it. We have the right to be divided on issues
    and there's no shame in it. Nobody's gonna "unite the country" unless
    they impose socialism on us and make it illegal for us to be divided on issues.

    Exactly.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Sep 16 07:30:44 2024
    But all Roe vs. Wade did was make abortion legal at the federal level.
    It was nothing more than a ploy for the Elitists to have the Federal
    Gov't control everything. And it should never have been allowed to
    stand in the first place.

    You know that, and I know that. But the dummies are hypnotized by the narrative that they need federal approval for abortion. Since properly educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them back their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them because our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    Striking down Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than push the decision down
    to the states where it belonged in the first place.

    Exactly. The more stuff that gets handled by the states, the more freedom we all have in general.

    There's no middle ground here. There's no compromise with these people.

    This is true and I didn't realize it until we had this discussion. If we give them their federal rights to infanticide back, then they'll start crying about something else stupid. There's no such thing as a productive conversation with a leftist because they don't recognize their own ignorance, even when it's explained to them politely.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Sep 16 08:55:00 2024
    You're right. I was thinking that we could bend on abortion, like reinstate roe
    v wade, but what would we ask them to do in exchange for that?

    Close the border?


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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 16 14:02:36 2024
    You know that, and I know that. But the dummies are hypnotized by the narrative that they need federal approval for ______. Since properly educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them back their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our
    candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them because our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    A funny thought occurred to me that one could fill in the blank with anything to do with guns, and it reads pretty much the same from the other side of the aisle.

    RS

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Sep 16 14:42:14 2024
    You're right. I was thinking that we could bend on abortion, like reinsta >roe
    v wade, but what would we ask them to do in exchange for that?

    Close the border?

    Yea but we have lots of needs, not just to close the border. We also need the existing illegals to be detected, located, and deported. We also need tons of other things. But notice how the only thing those lunatics want is just the right to abortion. That's all they care about, because that's how they've been trained.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Randall Schad on Mon Sep 16 14:57:46 2024
    You know that, and I know that. But the dummies are hypnotized by the narrative that they need federal approval for ______. Since properly educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them back their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them beca our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    A funny thought occurred to me that one could fill in the blank with anything to do with guns, and it reads pretty much the same from the
    other side of the aisle.

    I wouldn't mind if guns weren't federally protected and were left for the states to decide. Then if I didn't like my state's gun laws then I could just move to a different state. Lots of people are leaving my state already because they don't like the laws.

    The lefties should see it the same way with abortion. If your state don't allow it, and you need one, then go to another state to get it. Just like with fireworks and with cheap smokes.

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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 17 01:18:18 2024
    You know that, and I know that. But the dummies are hypnotized b narrative that they need federal approval for ______. Since prop educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    A funny thought occurred to me that one could fill in the blank with anything to do with guns, and it reads pretty much the same from the other side of the aisle.

    I wouldn't mind if guns weren't federally protected and were left for the states to decide. Then if I didn't like my state's gun laws then I could just move to a different state. Lots of people are leaving my state already because they don't like the laws.

    You would be in the very distinct minority, I believe. If that's your position, and you would accept an amendment or repeal of 2A, I have to respect that.

    RS

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 17 07:08:30 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You know that, and I know that. But the dummies are hypnotized by the narrative that they need federal approval for abortion.

    It's more accurate to say that they are unable to think for themselves and only think what their masters tell them.

    Since properly
    educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them back their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our
    candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them
    because our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    I think a more humane thing to do is simply let the meritocracy loose. Then these people will be spending their time hard at work at their minimum-wage job (since that's the only kind they can do). No more free time to blocks roads "protesting" and no more money to funnel to socialist candidates.

    And some of them may actually gain some level of self-awareness and break out of their programming. I know. But stranger things have happened.

    This is true and I didn't realize it until we had this discussion. If
    we give them their federal rights to infanticide back, then they'll
    start crying about something else stupid. There's no such thing as a productive conversation with a leftist because they don't recognize
    their own ignorance, even when it's explained to them politely.

    Exactly.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Randall Schad on Tue Sep 17 07:08:30 2024
    Randall Schad wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    You would be in the very distinct minority, I believe. If that's your position, and you would accept an amendment or repeal of 2A, I have to respect that.

    The first 10 Amendments can't be repealed. They are not items granting us rights. They are statements of the rights that we have as human beings.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Sep 17 07:48:00 2024
    You're right. I was thinking that we could bend on abortion, like reinst
    roe
    v wade, but what would we ask them to do in exchange for that?

    Close the border?

    Yea but we have lots of needs, not just to close the border. We also need the existing illegals to be detected, located, and deported. We also need tons of other things. But notice how the only thing those lunatics want is just the right to abortion. That's all they care about, because that's how they've been
    trained.

    I don't think that is all they want but, even assuming it is, I am sure
    there is a laundry list of things we could counter with. Pick the most important one and go with that one.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Sep 17 07:50:00 2024
    Striking down Roe vs. Wade did nothing more than push the decision down to the states where it belonged in the first place.

    Exactly. The more stuff that gets handled by the states, the more freedom we all have in general.

    That depends on what state you live in, and what freedoms are most
    important to you.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Sep 17 08:01:00 2024
    The lefties should see it the same way with abortion. If your state don't allo
    it, and you need one, then go to another state to get it. Just like with fireworks and with cheap smokes.

    Fireworks and cheap smokes are not medical procedures. You don't have to necessarily worry about overnight accomodations, who will drive you back,
    or any physical complications...

    ... unless you light one of your cheap smokes and accidentally set off the fireworks.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Sep 17 08:37:14 2024
    Since properly
    educating them is futile, my thought was that we could give them back their rights to infanticide in exchange for them supporting our candidate (but of course there's not enough in the deal for them because our list of demands is much higher than theirs.)

    I think a more humane thing to do is simply let the meritocracy loose. Then these people will be spending their time hard at work at their minimum-wage job (since that's the only kind they can do). No more free time to blocks roads "protesting" and no more money to funnel to
    socialist candidates.

    What do you mean by let meritocracy loose? That's another thing that we have to fight the Democrats on; they aren't into meritocracy.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 17 08:45:10 2024
    Close the border?

    Yea but we have lots of needs, not just to close the border. We also nee existing illegals to be detected, located, and deported. We also need to other things. But notice how the only thing those lunatics want is just right to abortion. That's all they care about, because that's how they'v been
    trained.

    I don't think that is all they want but, even assuming it is, I am sure there is a laundry list of things we could counter with. Pick the most important one and go with that one.

    Yes, I wish for that also, however, a closed border isn't good enough. Not a fair trade for abortion. I think we'd settle for closed border plus mass deportations. That would appease me, for now, but for some reason I never see such a deal being floated.

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  • From Randall Schad@1:226/44 to Ron L. on Tue Sep 17 11:25:49 2024
    Randall Schad wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    You would be in the very distinct minority, I believe. If that's your position, and you would accept an amendment or repeal of 2A, I have t respect that.

    The first 10 Amendments can't be repealed. They are not items granting
    us rights. They are statements of the rights that we have as human beings.

    That wasn't the conversation, false as that claim may be.

    RS

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 17 13:52:38 2024
    Exactly. The more stuff that gets handled by the states, the more freedo all have in general.

    That depends on what state you live in, and what freedoms are most important to you.

    Yes it does, but at the same time, state laws can change overnight, and ruin a state for all the people who live there. I bought a home in New York, went to sleep one night, and woke up with California's bail laws and Texas' illegal
    alien problem. This is how I've come to realize that there's no sense in trying to move to a better state. The Democrats will eventually hurt people no matter which state they live in, so it's better to just adapt to it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 17 14:09:38 2024
    The lefties should see it the same way with abortion. If your state don' allo
    it, and you need one, then go to another state to get it. Just like with fireworks and with cheap smokes.

    Fireworks and cheap smokes are not medical procedures. You don't have to necessarily worry about overnight accomodations, who will drive you back, or any physical complications...

    But those are issues that everyone faces when they need a lifesaving procedure. For example, anyone having a brain aneurysm in Binghamton faces the possibility of death while being helicopter-flown to Albany for the surgery. This is because we don't have that kind of surgeon here in Binghamton.

    But who am I to demand that the state recruit a brain aneurysm surgeon for every region? I have just as much to complain about as the abortion protesters do.

    But since there are so many other threats looming, I won't get fixated on this issue. Instead, I'll join the plight of the people who want to live in a country that requires id for entry, for the greater good.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 18 07:17:05 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    What do you mean by let meritocracy loose? That's another thing that we have to fight the Democrats on; they aren't into meritocracy.

    The Elitists have been pushing against meritocracy for decades.

    Unions - since they do not promote the best.
    The concept of "seniority" instead of choosing the best person.
    Minimum wage.
    And lately, DEI.

    All those things have to do with blunting the meritocracy since they promote "something" above performance.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Sep 18 06:32:00 2024
    What do you mean by let meritocracy loose? That's another thing that have to fight the Democrats on; they aren't into meritocracy.

    The Elitists have been pushing against meritocracy for decades.

    Unions - since they do not promote the best.
    The concept of "seniority" instead of choosing the best person.
    Minimum wage.
    And lately, DEI.

    That would be a good deal: We give them abortion, and in exchange they give us a closed border, deportation of all illegals, and equality the Martin Luther King way.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Sep 18 09:27:00 2024
    Fireworks and cheap smokes are not medical procedures. You don't have
    o
    necessarily worry about overnight accomodations, who will drive you
    ack,
    or any physical complications...

    But those are issues that everyone faces when they need a lifesaving
    rocedure
    For example, anyone having a brain aneurysm in Binghamton faces the
    ossibilit
    of death while being helicopter-flown to Albany for the surgery. This is because we don't have that kind of surgeon here in Binghamton.

    Are people going to judge you for needing aneurysm surgery? Will you need
    to travel possibly multiple states away to get the surgery?

    OTOH, will you get a helicopter ride if you want/need an abortion?

    But since there are so many other threats looming, I won't get fixated on
    his
    issue. Instead, I'll join the plight of the people who want to live in a country that requires id for entry, for the greater good.

    Sounds like a better plan.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 18 14:21:52 2024
    Are people going to judge you for needing aneurysm surgery? Will you
    need to travel possibly multiple states away to get the surgery?

    No judgement, yes maybe travel through multiple states depending on shortages of providers.

    OTOH, will you get a helicopter ride if you want/need an abortion?

    If it's to protect the mother's life, then they better give her a helicopter ride if she needs one.

    But since there are so many other threats looming, I won't get fixated o
    his
    issue. Instead, I'll join the plight of the people who want to live in a country that requires id for entry, for the greater good.

    Sounds like a better plan.

    Time is running short. If we want to pull this off, we need Trump to tell everyone that this is what we're doing. That seems like it would seal the deal for 2024, but good ol' Trump isn't backing down on his abortion stance and I don't blame him. (Of course he's changed his tone but leaving it to the states still stands.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 19 07:26:47 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That would be a good deal: We give them abortion, and in exchange they give us a closed border, deportation of all illegals, and equality the Martin Luther King way.

    They already have abortion. And even if we made a deal, we can't trust them to keep it.

    Remember, the Elitsts don't believe that lying is wrong.


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