• Buy my CD, but don't play it

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Wed Sep 4 10:00:48 2024
    Several elitist musicians are complaining about the Trump campaign using their music on social media posts and for playing it at his rallies.

    The estate of Isaac Hayes is suing Trump for copyright infringement because Trump's campaign played an Isaac Hayes song in a Truth Social post, and Dave Grohl got hurt feelings when "My Hero" was played at an Arizona rally.

    These "artists" care so much about who plays their songs and where, but only if it's Trump. They don't want their songs played without permission "at any venues," but what does that mean? I can't play their song at my kid's graduation party, because it will be held "at a venue?" And I have to call Dave Grohl up on the phone first, to ask him for permission?

    This is beyond TDS, this is some kind of elitism disease. Trump's not making bootleg recordings, or selling ripped CDs, he's just playing songs on a stereo
    system. If he can't do it then nobody should be able to either.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 4 09:23:56 2024
    This is beyond TDS, this is some kind of elitism disease.

    They don't want their music all stinky.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 4 12:33:54 2024
    This is beyond TDS, this is some kind of elitism disease.

    They don't want their music all stinky.

    I think I get what you mean, but their music already was stinky before Trump touched it.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 5 13:09:29 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    Several elitist musicians are complaining about the Trump campaign using their music on social media posts and for playing it at his rallies.

    Playing other people's music without their consent is copyright
    infringement, and those responsible can and should be sued once a
    cease and desist order has been sent.

    The estate of Isaac Hayes is suing Trump for copyright infringement because
    Trump's campaign played an Isaac Hayes song in a Truth Social post, and Dave Grohl got hurt feelings when "My Hero" was played at an Arizona rally.

    That is for cause. Which the courts will uphold if Trump & Co. fail
    to comply.

    These "artists" care so much about who plays their songs and where, but only
    if it's Trump. They don't want their songs played without permission "at any venues," but what does that mean?

    It means do not steal my stuff, knucklehead. Those who refuse
    to play by the rules pay for their mistakes. That is the way it
    works. At least in this country.

    I can't play their song at my kid's graduation party, because it will be held "at a venue?"

    Get permission beforehand, and all will be fine. Everybody will
    have a great time, and enjoy the party. But try to get by without
    having permission can get you in trouble - big time.

    And I have to call Dave Grohl up on the phone first, to ask him for permission?

    Oh, there are other venues available to make that possible.

    This is beyond TDS, this is some kind of elitism disease.

    Most artists want to get paid for their works. That includes
    songwriters and performers alike.

    Trump's not making bootleg recordings, or selling ripped CDs, he's just playing songs on a stereo system.

    The Trump campaign is stealing by refusing to get permissions
    and/or paying for artists works.

    If he can't do it then nobody should be able to either.

    If musicians cannot get paid for their music, they would not
    be playing music anywhere. Nor would they be making any of rheir
    recordings available to be played anywhere. That is the way the
    world works. Nobody gets a free lunch.

    You want something for nothing? Use your hand.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 5 06:25:06 2024
    Several elitist musicians are complaining about the Trump campaign us their music on social media posts and for playing it at his rallies.

    Playing other people's music without their consent is copyright infringement, and those responsible can and should be sued once a
    cease and desist order has been sent.

    Don't play it then. I know I won't.

    I can't play their song at my kid's graduation party, because it will held "at a venue?"

    Get permission beforehand, and all will be fine. Everybody will
    have a great time, and enjoy the party. But try to get by without
    having permission can get you in trouble - big time.

    I sense that you want to defend everything leftists do, but you're a big music fan. You, of all people, should realize how ridiculous it would be to ask for permission to play a CD at a free-admission venue.

    Most artists want to get paid for their works. That includes
    songwriters and performers alike.

    They got paid for it when we bought the CDs and they got paid for it when we went to their concerts.

    The Trump campaign is stealing by refusing to get permissions
    and/or paying for artists works.

    If I take my 1957 Chevy Bel Air to a free admission car show, do I need to first check with General Motors to make sure it's ok?

    If musicians cannot get paid for their music, they would not
    be playing music anywhere. Nor would they be making any of rheir recordings available to be played anywhere. That is the way the
    world works. Nobody gets a free lunch.

    When I buy CDs, they sometimes read something like "Unauthorized reproduction of the works contained herein is a violation of the law." But there's no warning that reads "Unauthorized playing of this CD at a free venue is in violation of the law."

    Maybe they should list all their wishes on a CD before selling it.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 9 21:43:07 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    Several elitist musicians are complaining about the Trump campaign us
    their music on social media posts and for playing it at his rallies.

    Playing other people's music without their consent is copyright
    infringement, and those responsible can and should be sued once a
    cease and desist order has been sent.

    Don't play it then. I know I won't.

    I play other people's music all the time. As well as my own.
    Maybe one of these days you will learn how to do the same.

    https://tinyurl.com/4phhjzaw


    I can't play their song at my kid's graduation party, because it will
    held "at a venue?"

    Get permission beforehand, and all will be fine. Everybody will
    have a great time, and enjoy the party. But try to get by without
    having permission can get you in trouble - big time.

    I sense that you want to defend everything leftists do, but you're a big music fan. You, of all people, should realize how ridiculous it would be to
    ask for permission to play a CD at a free-admission venue.

    Copyright law is not "leftist" or "socialist" or whatever the fuck
    you want to call it. It is a violation of copyright laws to play a
    copyrighted song in any kind of "public perfornance" without having
    previously obtained the proper performance licensing.

    Most artists want to get paid for their works. That includes
    songwriters and performers alike.

    They got paid for it when we bought the CDs and they got paid for it when we
    went to their concerts.

    Musicians also get paid for their recorded works in other ways -
    such as when their works are played in clubs and restaurants and
    other public places.

    While you can play the CDs that you bought in the privacy of your
    own home, without having to pay anything more than the cost you paid
    for the CD, you do not have the legal right to play those recorded
    works in any public place without having the proper licenses and
    permissions.

    The Trump campaign is stealing by refusing to get permissions
    and/or paying for artists works.

    If I take my 1957 Chevy Bel Air to a free admission car show, do I need to first check with General Motors to make sure it's ok?

    Copyright infringement is an act of breaking the law. It is punishable
    by hefty fines. Up to $30,000 for each work infringed (US law), which
    can be increased too $150,000 (per work) if shown to be willful.

    If musicians cannot get paid for their music, they would not
    be playing music anywhere. Nor would they be making any of rheir
    recordings available to be played anywhere. That is the way the
    world works. Nobody gets a free lunch.

    When I buy CDs, they sometimes read something like "Unauthorized reproduction of the works contained herein is a violation of the law." But there's no warning that reads "Unauthorized playing of this CD at a free venue is in violation of the law."

    Playing music in public places is legal if you have the proper
    licenses and permissions from the copyright holder or performance
    rights organizations. Do you have permissions to play any of those
    songs that are on your CDs in public places? I thought not.

    Maybe they should list all their wishes on a CD before selling it.

    Buying and selling CDs is legal. Playing CDs is also legal.
    But try playing those CDs in public places without permissions
    will land you in deep doo-doo.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 9 15:16:34 2024
    you want to call it. It is a violation of copyright laws to play a copyrighted song in any kind of "public perfornance" without having previously obtained the proper performance licensing.

    Trump wasn't performing anything, he was just speaking to his friends. When you have a lot of friends, you need a place like the Desert Diamond Arena to speak to them all at the same time.

    Trump rallies are free; Trump didn't make 1 cent off their sh!tty music.

    When you don't have very many friends, then you need to fill a bus with paid actors to nod their heads on camera at a restaurant in a Pittsburgh suburb.

    Musicians also get paid for their recorded works in other ways -
    such as when their works are played in clubs and restaurants and
    other public places.

    How much are they being paid? How much does Red Lobster have to pay Dave Grohl so that they can play "My Hero" inside their restaurant?

    I used to take my stereo to the beach and I'd play Cinderella and Warrant tapes for all to hear, whether they were into glam rock or not. I never paid a cent to Tom Kieffer and I never asked for Jani Lane's permission. Do I owe them some back pay then?

    While you can play the CDs that you bought in the privacy of your
    own home, without having to pay anything more than the cost you paid
    for the CD, you do not have the legal right to play those recorded
    works in any public place without having the proper licenses and permissions.

    Then there are millions of law breakers out there who all need to be arrested then. And most of them have been doing it since long before Trump ever became a household name.

    Copyright infringement is an act of breaking the law. It is punishable
    by hefty fines. Up to $30,000 for each work infringed (US law), which
    can be increased too $150,000 (per work) if shown to be willful.

    Right. This is why I don't make copies of my tapes and sell them at the flea market. It's also why I don't charge people money to listen to them with me either.

    Playing music in public places is legal if you have the proper
    licenses and permissions from the copyright holder or performance
    rights organizations. Do you have permissions to play any of those
    songs that are on your CDs in public places? I thought not.

    In this case, I've been breaking the law since I was in elementary school. How do I turn myself in? I'm not the kind of guy who runs from the law.

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