Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

WTF does that have to do with what I said...

It is a deflection.

Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate
thread about that...

Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be
legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
post some links to enlighten us.


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Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate thread about that...

Sure, I just made the comment that banning books and deregulation were not solutions. If you want a separate thread then by all means go for it.

Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
post some links to enlighten us.

You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

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Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please post some links to enlighten us.

You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish, the only (not) bans I have heard
about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that
their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?


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Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric
of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

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You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

What third parties do you speak of?

the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the shelves.

Of course we both know that is not happening.

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?

Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist imagery.

Do you find that "leftist"?

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Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

Oh, I agree parents should keep up with what their children are doing/reading in school. That's normal.

Mike and I were discussing book bans. That's a little different.

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You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

What third parties do you speak of?

Project 2025, talking heads on the Internet, etc.

the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the
shelves.

Of course we both know that is not happening.

Except it was. When Dale was here, he and I had a discussion about this. Someone posted a list of books that were on a "hit list," and he and I both agreed that some of them verged on porn and didn't need to be in public schools.

A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to
read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school
library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?

Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

The books in question are no longer published and you cannot find them on
offer any more. Internet sites won't allow used copies to be sold. Unless you can find them at a rummage sale, they are no longer available -- which is what "effectively banned" means.

Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist
imagery.

Whether or not the imagery was racist was very questionable. The publisher
had previously changed some of the language to better meet today's
standards, but ultimately at least one of the books was banned for
containing a picture of a Chinese character wearing a traditional Chinese outfit.

That is where the rub really is. If China doesn't like something, it has
to go away. In China, even though he was a major character in the movie, images of actor John Boyega (who is black) had to be shrunk or completely removed from movie posters and ads for Star Wars The Force Awakens.
(Sources - The Guardian, CNN, Variety). Disney caved to the CCP and did
that so they could make money showing the movie in China.

TikTok shadowbans black creators for the same reason as TikTok is a Chinese company and therefore counts the CCP as one of its owners. Per a PBS
special a couple of years back, this shadowbanning extended to the US
TikTok platform as well (presumably to keep China happy).

Google "TikTok shadow ban black people" to read about it.

<sarcasm> Nothing racist there. </sarcasm>

Do you find that "leftist"?

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."


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A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

I don't have access to a web browser presently, but do a search for "list of banned books".

Do you find that "leftist"?

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism is a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China wants to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

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A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in
the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism i
a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China want
to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they
obviously don't have a clue.


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If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism

i

a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China

want

to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anything at all.

That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

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If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

You are hitting on the problem, thought. That is what most people think
but when parents complain they get hit with a "phobia" and "book banner" accusation when, in reality, they are trying to have things that really
have no place in a school library removed from that library.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anythin
at all.

That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

It is worth a shot, but I would not get your hopes up. ;)


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