On 07-28-23 07:56, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Ron L. about Re: GARLAND IMPEACHMENT <=-

done. Moreover, his [Biden's] policies are destroying the country... Normal democrats are starting to see this...

What policies are you talking about, and why are they harmful to the
country?

Dale Shipp
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On 29 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

What policies are you talking about, and why are they harmful to the country?

Open boarder policy.
The Energy policy
The America Last policy
His Globalist Economic Policies
The fact that he doesn't recognize his 7th grandchild

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On 07-29-23 10:47, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

What policies are you talking about, and why are they harmful to the country?

Open boarder policy.

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed
enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that
some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

The Energy policy

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

The America Last policy

What does that mean to you?

His Globalist Economic Policies

We live in a globalist world. Isolationist policies went by the boards
more than 80 years ago.

The fact that he doesn't recognize his 7th grandchild

You had to stretch for the claim that that fact (if true) hurts the
American economy.


Dale Shipp
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On 30 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

Can you tell me the ones that were inhumane??

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

Helpful in what way?? Cased inflation and some people can't afford to eat. But... in that way is people not eating helpful??

The America Last policy

What does that mean to you?

Trump's America First policies, that comes from the MAGA slogan... Everything he did was for the American citizens... Here's a simple one for you to get... Trump demanded that immigration be lawful where as Biden opened the border up and made it a free for all. I was watching the news the other day and there was a city counsel meeting, south side of Chicago, the residents there were complaining about not receiving any help from the local government. They had nothing but the illegals had new IPhones and luxury hotel rooms....

If you don't get it... Trump made the American citizen his priority while allowing legal immigration.

We live in a globalist world. Isolationist policies went by the boards more than 80 years ago.

I don't know where you live... But America is a constitutional republic... The constitution limits what the government can do... and it's a country that should be run for and by the people...

I sent this video out a few messages back.... It does explain things nicely... Stephen Harper, Canada's ex-Prime Minister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFWE2jl5mwA&t=249s

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The Energy policy

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

IIRC, you all are talking economy. Once this administration is done (and
some of their plans will stretch well into other administrations), that
Energy policy will put most of us in a position where we won't be able to travel or use many/any household appliances because, if we do, we won't be
able to afford anything else.

Meahwhile, some of that policy, while making us feel good about supposedly being "green," will continue to ruin the environment in other parts of the World, and at a more accelerated pace.


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Open boarder policy.

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

But you've stopped short of saying that "some of the Biden policies are inhumane."

Aren't some of Biden's policies inhumane also? Thousands of unaccompanied migrant children swarmed the Texas border during Biden's administration. To me, it's inhumane to allow children to be taken away from their parents. I'd rather be stuck in Mexico than have to go through what those parents are/were going through.

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On 07-30-23 07:14, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

Can you tell me the ones that were inhumane??

The one that comes foremost to mind is his policy of separating families
at the border. Although there is now a concentrated effort to reunite
those families, there are still about 400 children who are not placed
with their rightful family.

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

Helpful in what way?? Cased inflation and some people can't afford to eat. But... in that way is people not eating helpful??

His energy policy is not causing inflation. It is creating a lot of
good jobs. It is helping to move towards America helping to combat the
global warming that is so obviously evident to anyone who thinks to
look at what is going on.

The America Last policy

What does that mean to you?

Trump's America First policies, that comes from the MAGA slogan... Everything he did was for the American citizens... Here's a simple

That is what he said. That is not what he did.

We live in a globalist world. Isolationist policies went by the boards more than 80 years ago.

I don't know where you live... But America is a
constitutional republic... The constitution limits what the
government can do... and it's a country that should be run
for and by the people...

True, and isolationism is not in the best interest of the American
people. Example: look at the tariffs that Trump imposed on Chinese
exports. Those tariffs cost the American people, not the Chinese.

Dale Shipp
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On 07-30-23 09:06, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

IIRC, you all are talking economy. Once this administration is done
(and some of their plans will stretch well into other administrations), that Energy policy will put most of us in a position where we won't be able to travel or use many/any household appliances because, if we do,
we won't be able to afford anything else.

That sounds like speculation. Have you actually seen independent
studies that make that claim?

Meahwhile, some of that policy, while making us feel good about
supposedly being "green," will continue to ruin the environment in
other parts of the World, and at a more accelerated pace.

Nor do I see how that statement can be logical. How is what we are
doing going to ruin the environment elsewhere?

I can see that since some other countries don't do what they should,
then their environment and ours will suffer.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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On 07-30-23 21:11, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

But you've stopped short of saying that "some of the Biden
policies are inhumane."

Because I am not aware of any policies that come even close to what the
Trump administration did.

Dale Shipp
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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

IIRC, you all are talking economy. Once this administration is done
(and some of their plans will stretch well into other administrations), that Energy policy will put most of us in a position where we won't be able to travel or use many/any household appliances because, if we do,
we won't be able to afford anything else.

Which is the plan. The Elitists don't want the plebes to be able to move around without permission from "their betters".

Remember, "you'll own nothing and be happy".

Meahwhile, some of that policy, while making us feel good about
supposedly being "green," will continue to ruin the environment in
other parts of the World, and at a more accelerated pace.

Just like **every** socialist country. Their policies have always hurt the environment.


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IIRC, you all are talking economy. Once this administration is done (and some of their plans will stretch well into other administrations), that Energy policy will put most of us in a position where we won't be able to travel or use many/any household appliances because, if we do, we won't be able to afford anything else.

That sounds like speculation. Have you actually seen independent
studies that make that claim?

I would call it educated speculation. The appliances that meet their new standards will cost more as the low-end offerings, that those of low and
fixed income can afford, will no longer be legal. EVs do and will continue
to cost more as they require expensive batteries (with rare earth elements mined by near-slave and child labor). It does not take an economics or
finance major to figure this stuff out.

Meahwhile, some of that policy, while making us feel good about supposedly being "green," will continue to ruin the environment in
other parts of the World, and at a more accelerated pace.

Nor do I see how that statement can be logical. How is what we are
doing going to ruin the environment elsewhere?

A while back I posted an article about this. Obtaining the rare earth
elements that are used in EV batteries (and also in cell phones) is not a
clean industry.

I will repost the article with this thread subject. It was more about
the child labor, IIRC, but it also includes info on the environmental impacts.

Specifically:

The electronic vehicle discussion is "meant to be a green choice in pursuit of climate sustainability goals. Yet it's utterly destructive to the environment of the Congo. Our green energy transition -- migrating from internal combustion engines to electric vehicles -- is built, in large part, from the battery pack standpoint, on the utter destruction of the environment of the Congo. Millions of trees have been clear-cut. Foreign mining companies dump all the toxic effluence from their processing facilities into the water, into the air, the dirt. Everything is polluted."

I can see that since some other countries don't do what they should,
then their environment and ours will suffer.

If the did what they should, the cost of labor and the end product would skyrocket. I do believe they should be doing what they should, and our government should not be trying to mandate us into poverty. Such mandates
are what lead to the use of child labor and poor environmental practices elsewhere.


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REPOST: Your iPhone Was Built With Child Labor

SOURCE: The Free Press

"Congo has three-quarters of the world's cobalt, as well as monopolies on coltan and tungsten -- which are vital for batteries and circuits, and enable devices to vibrate. Without all three, there wouldn't be electric vehicles
or smartphones. Big customers include, no surprise, Tesla and Apple. The
open secret, I learned, is that mining relies on child labor. You don't
need to buy a blood diamond to exploit some of the world's poorest and
most vulnerable children -- just an iPhone."

Or an electric vehicle, which may cost you a lot more than a diamond.

"It's impossible to appreciate the steep price of the green revolution until you're there. The irony of our hunger for save-the-world renewables means destroying the fragile environments we never see -- and condemning generations of kids to this new slavery."

The electronic vehicle discussion is "meant to be a green choice in pursuit of climate sustainability goals. Yet it's utterly destructive to the environment of the Congo. Our green energy transition -- migrating from internal combustion engines to electric vehicles -- is built, in large part, from the battery pack standpoint, on the utter destruction of the environment of the Congo. Millions of trees have been clear-cut. Foreign mining companies dump all the toxic effluence from their processing facilities into the water, into the air, the dirt. Everything is polluted."

The interviewee goes on to mention that many companies claim that they are
not using child-labor cobalt in their phones but, as nearly 75% of global cobalt is mined in the Congo, that is a dubious claim.

MORE AT: https://www.thefp.com/p/your-iphone-was-built-with-child


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I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not versed enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say that some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

But you've stopped short of saying that "some of the Biden
policies are inhumane."

Because I am not aware of any policies that come even close to what the
Trump administration did.

If I know I am going to be treated in a supposedly inhumane manner for my actions and yet I stay the course, whose fault is that?

If I am an American who goes into these countries to encourage people to
head North (I am related to someone who, pre-COVID, did just this) knowing
what can happen to them at the border, but I do it anyway, whose fault is
that?

IMHO, it is akin to claiming after the fact that the punishment for drunk driving is too harsh after one gets caught doing it and one knew the
punishment beforehand. One cannot blame that on the authorities.


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On 31 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

The one that comes foremost to mind is his policy of separating families at the border. Although there is now a concentrated effort to reunite those families, there are still about 400 children who are not placed
with their rightful family.

Drinking the Kool-Aide I see... The separating the "Children" thing was an Obama era thing... Here's a simple explanation.... Lets say you are committing crimes... Drinking and driving.... police pull you over and it is found you are ephin LOADED and should not be driving... The first thing the police will do is take your children away... It's not a good idea to commit crimes while you are with your babies.

When Trump separated the children he was doing DNA testing... and what they were finding was that there were sometimes no genetic ties to these young people... They were using the kids just to get into the country... later to either discard the child or later expose them into the sex trafficking world.

Under Biden there are ~89,000 children they cannot find or explain where they are... They are not lost... just out there facilitating the Elites and Democratic donors...

True, and isolationism is not in the best interest of the American
people. Example: look at the tariffs that Trump imposed on Chinese exports. Those tariffs cost the American people, not the Chinese.

Not true... he used those tariffs to help the farmers... Under Trump, the US economy was never better... for all sectors of the economy... It was a bottom up economic boom that was felt by the workers before the companies...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/american-workers-seeing-drop-in-real-wages -under-biden-administration-report/ar-AA12KlHE

https://www.manilatimes.net/2023/07/31/business/financial-times/americas-feel-b ad-biden-boom/1903163

2 seconds with google and you can fine articles that talk about the real-wage decline under Biden...

Put the Kool-Aide down... take the red pill... fight for the truth!!!!

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Hello Dale,

I am aware that Trump and Biden had different policies. I am not

versed

enough to say what all of the differences are, although I will say

that

some of the Trump policies were inhumane.

But you've stopped short of saying that "some of the Biden
policies are inhumane."

Because I am not aware of any policies that come even close to what the Trump administration did.

The Biden administration provided cluster bombs to Ukraine. The Biden administration also invited Ukrainian President Zelenskyy to address
a joint session of Congress.

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin met in Helsinki, Finland.
Stepped behind closed doors, and made a deal.

That was before hosilities broke out after Trump left office.

There you go. That is the difference.

Biden the Warmonger.
Trump the Peacemaker.

Now please tell me I am wrong.

For Life,
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Hello Dale,

Biden's Energy policy will be helpful, not harmful, to the country.

IIRC, you all are talking economy. Once this administration is done
(and some of their plans will stretch well into other

administrations),

that Energy policy will put most of us in a position where we won't

be

able to travel or use many/any household appliances because, if we

do,

we won't be able to afford anything else.

That sounds like speculation. Have you actually seen independent
studies that make that claim?

Nah. He just makes stuff up. Just like his hero, Donald Trump.

Meahwhile, some of that policy, while making us feel good about
supposedly being "green," will continue to ruin the environment in
other parts of the World, and at a more accelerated pace.

Nor do I see how that statement can be logical. How is what we are
doing going to ruin the environment elsewhere?

Why does it matter, as it is both unsupported and unsubstantiated?

I can see that since some other countries don't do what they should,
then their environment and ours will suffer.

Some countries are not able to do what this country is capable
of doing. So how or why should they be blamed? Whose fault is it
that the world is in this predicament? Which countries use the
most coal, and why are they forced to do so rather than use
cleaner alternatives? At some point fossil fuels are not going
to be able to fuel the needs of this planet, assuming enough
of the population still exists to keep civilization going.

For Life,
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The one that comes foremost to mind is his policy of separating families at the border. Although there is now a concentrated effort to reunite those families, there are still about 400 children who are not placed
with their rightful family.

Only 400 out of 89,000? That's not great news. How do you know that there's a "concentrated effort" to reunite them? How do you know that when police officers "reunite them with their families," that they're not inadvertantly "reuniting" them with sex traffickers? Are DNA tests being conducted? If so, then ok, that sounds like a "concentrated effort." But anything short of that seems unconcentrated.

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But you've stopped short of saying that "some of the Biden
policies are inhumane."

Because I am not aware of any policies that come even close to what the Trump administration did.

No offense, but that sounds like backwards and careless information to me.

Shortly after Biden took office, the news began reporting caravan after
caravan of "unaccompanied migrant children arriving in Texas," until eventually there were more than 4000 children there.

It's inhumane to ignore these facts.

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You don't need to buy a blood diamond to exploit some of the world's poorest and most vulnerable children -- just an iPhone."

I just hope this doesn't make anyone think that Google's Android phones are a more ethical choice, because although Google might not be putting
children in mines, Google does other, more subtle evil things to children.

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On 07-31-23 08:20, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

Drinking the Kool-Aide I see... The separating the "Children" thing
was an Obama era thing... Here's a simple explanation.... Lets say
you are committing crimes... Drinking and driving....
police pull you over and it is found you are ephin LOADED
and should not be driving... The first thing the police
will do is take your children away... It's not a good idea
to commit crimes while you are with your babies.

Except the thing wrong with your analogy is that the migrants are not
guilty of a crime like what you suggest. They are looking for asylum,
which is not a crime. According to his own words, Trump did the
separation thing as a scare tactic.

Under Biden there are ~89,000 children they cannot find or
explain where they are... They are not lost... just out
there facilitating the Elites and Democratic donors...

I doubt that number. The numbers that I have seen are less than 1000.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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On 07-31-23 08:05, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to All about Re: Joe's policies <=-

REPOST: Your iPhone Was Built With Child Labor

"Congo has three-quarters of the world's cobalt, as well as monopolies
on coltan and tungsten -- which are vital for batteries and circuits,
and enable devices to vibrate. Without all three, there wouldn't be electric vehicles or smartphones. Big customers include, no surprise, Tesla and Apple. The open secret, I learned, is that mining relies on child labor. You don't need to buy a blood diamond to exploit some of
the world's poorest and most vulnerable children -- just an iPhone."

That is something that needs to be considered. Thanks for bringing that
to our attention.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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You don't need to buy a blood diamond to exploit some of the world's poorest and most vulnerable children -- just an iPhone."

I just hope this doesn't make anyone think that Google's Android phones are a re ethical choice, because although Google might not be putting
children in mines, Google does other, more subtle evil things to children.

Chances are android phones use the same elements in their batteries, too.


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Except the thing wrong with your analogy is that the migrants are not
guilty of a crime like what you suggest. They are looking for asylum,
which is not a crime. According to his own words, Trump did the
separation thing as a scare tactic.

If they are crossing at recognized border checkpoints, this is true that
they are not criminals. If they are sneaking across and only claiming
"asylum" if/when they get caught, they are criminals and their parental abilities should be questioned.


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On 01 Aug 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

Except the thing wrong with your analogy is that the migrants are not guilty of a crime like what you suggest. They are looking for asylum, which is not a crime. According to his own words, Trump did the
separation thing as a scare tactic.

As per international law asylum seekers must seek asylum in the first country they reach... U don't hop on a plane, fly 1/2 way around the world.. stop off somewhere in central America... walk through 3 or 4 other countries for a few thousand mines...to declare asylum in the US. International law says declare asylum in the first country you reach.

The cartel, and other evil doers were collecting children who weren't theirs because they thought it was easier to enter with children. Once Trump requested DNA testing it because apparent that these adults were gaming the system and or were the groomers that were going to traffic these children.

The cages and child separation started under Obama... Trump almost destroyed this child trafficking issue with the remain in Mexico and setting up access points in central America where people could apply for asylum there.

I doubt that number. The numbers that I have seen are less than 1000.

https://www.newsweek.com/under-joe-biden-undocumented-children-missing-1812728

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-pressed-85000-unaccounted-migrant- children-released-us-forced-labor-allegations

There are ~85K kids running around the US and the government has NO clue where they are...

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On 08-01-23 08:57, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

Except the thing wrong with your analogy is that the migrants are not
guilty of a crime like what you suggest. They are looking for asylum,
which is not a crime. According to his own words, Trump did the
separation thing as a scare tactic.

If they are crossing at recognized border checkpoints, this is true
that they are not criminals. If they are sneaking across and only claiming "asylum" if/when they get caught, they are criminals and their parental abilities should be questioned.

You have a point *if* they are sneaking and then hiding from
authorities. However, I believe that reports are that some/many of them
are crossing in full view of authorities and/or reporting to authorities
with a claim of asylum. There is a difference between those two types
of people.

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Under Biden there are ~89,000 children they cannot find or
explain where they are... They are not lost... just out
there facilitating the Elites and Democratic donors...

I doubt that number. The numbers that I have seen are less than 1000.

How many hundreds of children abandoned at the border are an acceptable number?

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If they are crossing at recognized border checkpoints, this is true
that they are not criminals. If they are sneaking across and only claiming "asylum" if/when they get caught, they are criminals and their parental abilities should be questioned.

You have a point *if* they are sneaking and then hiding from
authorities. However, I believe that reports are that some/many of them
are crossing in full view of authorities and/or reporting to authorities
with a claim of asylum. There is a difference between those two types
of people.

They are only reported on if they are seen, which means if they are
sneaking in and not getting caught we probably don't have a good idea how
many of those there really are.


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On 02 Aug 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

How many hundreds of children abandoned at the border are an acceptable number?

Great question...

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On 01 Aug 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

I doubt that number. The numbers that I have seen are less than 1000.

To which IB Joe replied...

https://www.newsweek.com/under-joe-biden-undocumented-children-missing-1812728

This is an interesting article. It fact checks the 85k number using, in
part, an article from the NY Times (*not* the Post, and *not* the Washingon Times):

"The Times report also included figures attributed to the Department of Health
& Human Services (HHS) about monitoring checks carried out on all unaccompanied minors who'd been homed after entering the U.S.

"This is where the 85,000 'missing' figure appears to have come from.

"'While H.H.S. checks on all minors by calling them a month after they begin living with their sponsors, data obtained by The Times showed that over the last two years, the agency could not reach more than 85,000 children,' the article read.

"'Overall, the agency lost immediate contact with a third of migrant children.'"

The Newsweek article goes on to point out that the HHS appears to
contradict this number, claiming to keep track of 80% of 235,093
unaccompanied children that entered during a 2 year period.

20% of 235,093 is just over 47k unaccounted for. Less than 85k but still
not impressive.

The article also points out that HHS "custodial authority" ends when the
child is handed over to a sponsor, which makes keeping exact numbers
difficult. It also points out that the word "missing" is misleading as the agency has only lost contact with the 20%.

The conclusion I drew from the article is that both numbers (85k and 47k)
could be correct, and the number could be higher. The children, while not technically "missing," are certainly unaccounted for by any government
agency.


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On 02 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

The conclusion I drew from the article is that both numbers (85k and 47k) could be correct, and the number could be higher. The children, while
not technically "missing," are certainly unaccounted for by any
government agency.

The Elites need a steady feed of children to molest... sick bitches... Prince Andrew, an Epstein buddy... His mother wasn't buying his story and stripped him of some of his Royal rights... Apparently his brother, the new King, wants to kick him out of 30 room living quarters... All because of Andre's association with Epstein.

Fun Fact... when I was a pup Prince Andrew went to a private school in a town I lived in... Lakefield College... I never met him, and if I had and we became friends... I would have told him not to exploit young girls like he did. I would have said that in a stern voice.

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On 08-02-23 08:18, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's policies <=-

Under Biden there are ~89,000 children they cannot find or
explain where they are... They are not lost... just out
there facilitating the Elites and Democratic donors...

I doubt that number. The numbers that I have seen are less than 1000.

How many hundreds of children abandoned at the border are
an acceptable number?

None. And the Biden administration is working on connecting the
children with their parents. There will be some that who are impossible
to reconnect due to lack of data when they were separated.

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The Elites need a steady feed of children to molest...

I don't know about that, but they do certainly need a steady stream to indoctrinate.


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The conclusion I drew from the article is that both numbers (85k and 47k) could be correct, and the number could be higher. The children, while
not technically "missing," are certainly unaccounted for by any
government agency.

It's all very disgusting. It makes me wonder "what if this happened to American children?" Would Biden care? Would congress care? Doesn't seem like it.

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On 03 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

The Elites need a steady feed of children to molest...

I don't know about that, but they do certainly need a steady stream to indoctrinate.

The US is the highest consumers of child trafficking... Someone is doing it... it's not normal people.... must be the Elites... Oprah.... Hollywood... and a few others...

Not normal people...

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How many hundreds of children abandoned at the border are
an acceptable number?

None. And the Biden administration is working on connecting the
children with their parents. There will be some that who are impossible to reconnect due to lack of data when they were separated.

There's a lack of data on where the kids came from, why they came, and why they're at the border without their parents, and why so many of them. It's also baffling why law enforcement doesn't seem to be punishing any of the "parents" for this.

What is Biden doing to reconnect the children with their parents? Is he doing DNA checks or is he just handing those "good lookin kids" over to whomever claims them? Why doesn't he deter more of this from happening? Does he lick all their faces, or just the babies?

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The conclusion I drew from the article is that both numbers (85k and 47k)
could be correct, and the number could be higher. The children, while not technically "missing," are certainly unaccounted for by any government agency.

It's all very disgusting. It makes me wonder "what if this happened to America
children?" Would Biden care? Would congress care? Doesn't seem like it.

The article did point out that the agency is not tasked with keeping up
with the children once they are placed, but they like to do so anyway.
That made me feel like they are trying, but also made me wonder why 20% of
the ones they do check up on they are not able to make contact with.


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The US is the highest consumers of child trafficking... Someone is doing it...
t's not normal people.... must be the Elites... Oprah.... Hollywood... and a f
others...

Not normal people...

I wonder how much of that is the underground adoption racket. Either way,
that is sad.


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On 04 Aug 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

I wonder how much of that is the underground adoption racket. Either
way, that is sad.

Wouldn't that be a nice story... Kids taken against their will so that they can be the children of childless liberal parents...

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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Wouldn't that be a nice story... Kids taken against their will so that they can be the children of childless liberal parents...

And turned into future socialists.


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I wonder how much of that is the underground adoption racket. Either way, that is sad.

Wouldn't that be a nice story... Kids taken against their will so that they ca
be the children of childless liberal parents...

It happens. Usually those children are not necessarily taken, but could
also be surrendered or purchased in their home countries. Then they wind
up here being adopted. You sometimes see that on the news... people who
adopt that route because there is less of a wait and/or it is less
expensive.

Because not all of these adoptions are above board, I would consider the children to be trafficked, even if they are not necessarily for criminal
ends.

On rare occassion, you will also see a story about a couple who adopts a "child" from one of these areas only to find out they are actually a small
(and sometimes violent) young adult who gamed the system to get into the states.


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