• Durham Report explained on TRUTH Social

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Fri May 19 10:07:51 2023
    Gregory Deyss -> Björn Felten skrev 2023-05-19 02:37:
    You may want to grab a bottle of Aquavit and may I recommend straw.
    It's 306 pages long.

    Oh, I've read it. Personally. My question to you Trump fanatics was:

    "Have you?"

    And the answer still seems to be:

    "No, but I've had it explained to me by an expert on TRUTH Social."



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Fri May 19 07:23:50 2023
    You may want to grab a bottle of Aquavit and may I recommend straw. It's 306 pages long.

    Oh, I've read it. Personally. My question to you Trump fanatics was:

    "Have you?"

    And the answer still seems to be:
    Why ask if I have read it, when you have the opportunity to do so?
    Another sarcastic lib "WHY" omit or delete the links that I provided.
    It's not smart to pretend like they no longer exist.
    The weekend is approaching, I do plan on reading the Durham Report this weekend.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Fri May 19 14:23:32 2023
    Why ask if I have read it, when you have the opportunity to do so?

    I wasn't the one with the outlandish claim that Trump was right. Or the claims that you made.

    The weekend is approaching, I do plan on reading the Durham Report this weekend.

    I told y'all so. Haven't read it, only parroted someone else's claim.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri May 19 17:22:11 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Why ask if I have read it, when you have the opportunity to do so?

    I wasn't the one with the outlandish claim that Trump was right. Or the claims that you made.

    US Senator Tommy Tubberville says the USA should not have any more
    elections. So why charge anybody with a crime? Just lock 'em up ...

    The weekend is approaching, I do plan on reading the Durham Report this
    weekend.

    I told y'all so. Haven't read it, only parroted someone else's claim.

    Relax. He's just going along with what Donald Trump and the Republican
    base expects to hear ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri May 19 17:22:23 2023
    Hello Björn,

    You may want to grab a bottle of Aquavit and may I recommend straw.
    It's 306 pages long.

    Oh, I've read it. Personally. My question to you Trump fanatics was:

    "Have you?"

    He said he's getting around to it. This weekend. If he has time.

    And the answer still seems to be:

    "No, but I've had it explained to me by an expert on TRUTH Social."

    The question is not so much did he actually read Durham's findings,
    but rather is he just going along with what Donald Trump and the
    Republican base expects to hear?

    Okay, okay. Rachel Maddow said it first, in her blog.

    And you know what that means.

    It is lesbian gospel truth.

    https://tinyurl.com/2uh97ew3


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat May 20 16:32:21 2023
    Oh, I've read it. Personally. My question to you Trump fanatics was:

    "Have you?"

    He said he's getting around to it. This weekend. If he has time.

    If he even understands what he is reading.

    Remember: most people look up to people that are smarter then they. Can you imagine a nincompoop like Trump trying to understand any document at all?

    Well, and then imagine all those millions of worshippers, that obviously are even less smart. Holy Cow! Now you have a Putin style society served on a platter. Tribute to Fox News, and its transformation of the US media. And the GOP and its decades long transformation of the US educational system.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun May 21 03:33:25 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Oh, I've read it. Personally. My question to you Trump fanatics was:

    "Have you?"

    He said he's getting around to it. This weekend. If he has time.

    If he even understands what he is reading.

    That isn't the issue. The real question is if he is just going along
    with what Donald Trump and the Republican base expects to hear. After
    all, what other reason could there be?

    Remember: most people look up to people that are smarter then they.

    Please. Tell me who Donald Trump looks up to.

    Can you imagine a nincompoop like Trump trying to understand any document at
    all?

    The Donald. You know there can be only one. God help us if another
    one comes along. In which case I really would have to move to Sweden.
    Or anyplace else but here.

    Well, and then imagine all those millions of worshippers, that obviously are
    even less smart. Holy Cow!

    There are stupids. And there are crazies. Not sure which is worse.

    Now you have a Putin style society served on a platter.

    If Trump was crazy, how would he know?
    And what about his followers? You do realize
    Trump is always right ...

    Tribute to Fox News, and its transformation of the US media. And the GOP and
    its decades long transformation of the US educational system.

    The US does not have an educational system.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun May 21 12:16:25 2023
    Remember: most people look up to people that are smarter then they.

    Please. Tell me who Donald Trump looks up to.

    That's easy, he's told us over and over again: Putin, Xi and Jong-un (whom he loves). All three of them plays him like a fiddle, while laughing behind his back.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sun May 21 10:05:41 2023
    I wasn't the one with the outlandish claim that Trump was right. Or
    the claims that you made.
    It's not outlandish if believe in a man who was speaking the truth all along. That's the very point of the Durham Report, it's a big fat I Told You So.

    The same is of course true with this statement.
    Just as I do not need to be present to see a Rotten Dead Tree fall, to know that it has in fact fallen.

    I told y'all so. Haven't read it, only parroted someone else's claim.
    Let's say I did take the time to read this massive document of 306 pages.
    What would be lesson? Would it be that I was truthful, honest and quite accurate in my previous posts here within the Politics echo in Fidonet?
    If that is the case then naturally by default the reverse would also be true that you and all the rest of you liberal nut-cases are quite quantified
    and certified as delusional.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun May 21 23:19:54 2023
    It's not outlandish if believe in a man who was speaking the truth all along.

    Please translate to English Proper. ERROR: Does not compute.

    That's the very point of the Durham Report, it's a big fat I Told
    You So.

    And, yet again, you have not even read the report! So how are you able to "big fat tell" anyone? Do you really not see how totally illogical that is?

    Oh, man, you must be one of the USAians suffering from the dismantling of the Educational System that your B-actor from Hollywood started 1980.

    I told y'all so. Haven't read it, only parroted someone else's claim.

    Let's say I did take the time to read this massive document of 306 pages.

    Ahhhh... Yeah, let's say... But you never will, right? Because you have no idea about how to even read a document like that, little own understand any of it. But still you claim to know The Trump Truth.

    What would be lesson? Would it be that I was truthful, honest and quite accurate in my previous posts here within the Politics echo in Fidonet?

    LOL! Typical megalomaniac reaction. You are superior to the rest of us, so if we fact check you, we are nothing but Euro Trash Pacifist Shit Pig Pussies (actual quote from another superior guy), right?

    If that is the case then naturally by default the reverse would also be true that you and all the rest of you liberal nut-cases are quite quantified and certified as delusional.

    BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! ERROR: Severe logical error, please recompute, with reliable input data.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon May 22 01:48:57 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Remember: most people look up to people that are smarter then they.

    Please. Tell me who Donald Trump looks up to.

    That's easy, he's told us over and over again: Putin, Xi and Jong-un (whom he loves).

    For the record -

    Trump kept Putin from invading Ukraine, kept Xi from invading
    Taiwan, and got Jong-un mixed up with his little sister. And to
    think he did all those things while sober, never touching coffee
    or tea but only diet coke.

    All three of them plays him like a fiddle, while laughing behind his back.

    And on January 20th of 2025 he will tell them all - "I'M BAAACCCKKK!"

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Mon May 22 00:42:02 2023
    And, yet again, you have not even read the report! So how are you
    able to "big fat tell" anyone? Do you really not see how totally
    illogical that is?

    Do you question the reports as well as the statements made from the liberal media (better known as lies) when it comes to Donald Trump? I think not, why should I do any different. You're acting like you have Royal Flush when you have nothing, Fold Now. Before I eat your lunch.

    LOL! Typical megalomaniac reaction. You are superior to the rest of
    us, so if we fact check you, we are nothing but Euro Trash Pacifist Shit Pig Pussies (actual quote from another superior guy), right?
    That is illogical and unwise to fact check me. I am already on top of the mountain, from my vantage point I've had a President in Mr. Trump that raised everyone up, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and all Americans, the real truth is that he was and currently still is far superior to Joe Biden.

    If that is the case then naturally by default the reverse would also b
    true that you and all the rest of you liberal nut-cases are quite quantified and certified as delusional.

    BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! ERROR: Severe logical error, please recompute, with reliable input data.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 22 19:01:08 2023
    Hello Greg,

    I wasn't the one with the outlandish claim that Trump was right. BF>Or
    the claims that you made.

    It's not outlandish if believe in a man who was speaking the truth all along. That's the very point of the Durham Report, it's a big fat I Told You So.

    Please tell me what charges were filed against Hillary Clinton,
    Hunter Biden, and whatever other Republicans' preceived enemies
    John Durham could have found.

    Couldn't find any?

    No surprise there.

    The same is of course true with this statement.

    No surprise there, either.

    Just as I do not need to be present to see a Rotten Dead Tree fall, to know
    that it has in fact fallen.

    Hillary Clinton is still standing, alive and well. So is Bill.
    Hunter Biden is still standing, alive and well. So is Joe.

    Your point (if you have one)?

    I told y'all so. Haven't read it, only parroted someone else's BF>claim.

    Let's say I did take the time to read this massive document of 306 pages. What would be lesson?

    He huffed. And he puffed. And he couldn't find a damned thing.
    No charges filed on any Republicans' preceived enemies. None at all.

    Would it be that I was truthful, honest and quite accurate in my previous posts here within the Politics echo in Fidonet?

    Durham's conclusions showed you (Gregory D) to be a fool. Aside
    from making his own self look foolish.

    If that is the case then naturally by default the reverse would also be true
    that you and all the rest of you liberal nut-cases are quite quantified and
    certified as delusional.

    I never called for anybody to lock her up (Hillary Clinton).
    I never called for anybody to lock him up (Hunter Biden).
    I never called for anybody to lock 'em all up (Republicans'
    perceived enemies). Neither has Björn or any other "liberal"
    that I know of. Both in and outside of this echo.

    Please. Tell me what charges were filed by the special counsel.
    Can't think of any? Neither can I (or anybody else).

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 22 19:01:14 2023
    Hello Greg,

    And, yet again, you have not even read the report! So how are you
    able to "big fat tell" anyone? Do you really not see how totally
    illogical that is?

    Do you question the reports as well as the statements made from the liberal
    media (better known as lies) when it comes to Donald Trump?

    He huffed. And he puffed. And none of his perceived enemies were
    charged with anything. No matter how many ways he tried to prosecute Republicans' perceived enemies, he couldn't come up with a damned
    thing. Not a god damned thing.

    I think not, why should I do any different.

    Hillary Clinton, lock her up, with no charges pending?
    Hunter Biden, lock him up, with no charges pending?
    Whatever it takes, little man, whatever floats your boat.
    Hell, might as well lock 'em all up, no charges pending.
    As long as orange man gives you his blessing.

    You're acting like you have Royal Flush when you have nothing,

    A whole lot of nothing. That is what John Durham came up with.

    Fold Now. Before I eat your lunch.

    Too late. He showed his hand for all to know.

    LOL! Typical megalomaniac reaction. You are superior to the BF>rest of
    us, so if we fact check you, we are nothing but Euro BF>Trash Pacifist Shit
    Pig Pussies (actual quote from another BF>superior guy), right?

    That is illogical and unwise to fact check me.

    The individual Björn quoted was a stock clerk at Home Depot. The
    poor guy lost his job having been too stressed out due to morbid
    obesity (among other things).

    I am already on top of the mountain, from my vantage point I've had a President in Mr. Trump that raised everyone up, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and all Americans, the real truth is that he was and currently still is far
    superior to Joe Biden.

    We only have one elected president at a time. The current elected
    president is Joe Biden, who beat the pants off the other guy by over
    seven million popular votes, and with a huge majority of electoral
    college votes. Certified by the Congress to make it official.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon May 22 20:29:25 2023
    Hillary Clinton is still standing, alive and well. So is Bill.
    Hunter Biden is still standing, alive and well. So is Joe.

    Lee Majors who played the part of Steve Austin.. a man barley alive...
    Was more "alive" then these nearly dead corpses that you mentioned above.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon May 22 21:05:13 2023
    We only have one elected president at a time. The current elected president is Joe Biden, who beat the pants off the other guy by over
    seven million popular votes, and with a huge majority of electoral
    college votes. Certified by the Congress to make it official.
    Other then winning with these numbers.
    Go ahead I am offering you a big opportunity here and now.
    What has Joe Biden done that is positive.
    Get your popcorn now, as this should prove to be interesting.


    Has Biden Unite All Americans like he said he would?

    Biden stopped nearly completely all the drilling for oil only to beg like for dog, to foreign lands for energy.

    Inflation continues to rise, and not rise but sky-rocket.

    Speaking of the sky and for that matter rockets, Biden let a Chinese Spy Balloon traverse across the United States that appeared up largely in the news over Montana and then it was it was not shot down until South Carolina.

    You should know the difference between weakness and strength. https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/09/27/bidens-promise-to-unite-us-was-false-he- hasnt-even-tried/

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue May 23 00:23:00 2023
    On 05-22-23 21:05, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Go ahead I am offering you a big opportunity here and now.
    What has Joe Biden done that is positive.
    Get your popcorn now, as this should prove to be interesting.

    Passed a large bi-partisan infrastructure bill.
    Passed another bill that will do much for the economy, for the
    environment, and also more infrastructure.

    Has Biden Unite All Americans like he said he would?

    Biden stopped nearly completely all the drilling for oil
    only to beg like for dog, to foreign lands for energy.

    Was that the drilling in places where permits should never have been
    issued, perhaps because of severe damage to the economy.

    Inflation continues to rise, and not rise but sky-rocket.

    Inflation rate has declined.
    Unemployment rate is lower than it has been for half a century.

    Speaking of the sky and for that matter rockets, Biden let
    a Chinese Spy Balloon traverse across the United States
    that appeared up largely in the news over Montana and then
    it was it was not shot down until South Carolina.

    Tell us why it was not shot down over mid-America? What might have been
    the result?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue May 23 09:59:28 2023
    What has Joe Biden done that is positive.

    What has he done that is *not* positive?

    - Biden did *not* lead an attempted coup.

    - Biden did *not* call dead soldiers 'losers'.

    - Biden was *not* found liable for sexual abuse.

    - Biden was *not* credibly accused of rape and sexual harassment by 26 women.

    - Biden did *not* add $7.8 to the debt.

    - Biden did *not* say 'There are good people on both sides' in Charlottesville.

    - Biden was *not* responsible for 1,000,000 Covid deaths.

    - Biden did *not* call for the termination of the Constitution.

    - Biden has *not* repeatedly praised Putin.

    - Biden did *not* tell 30,000 lies or falsehoods while in office.



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Tue May 23 07:08:54 2023
    On 23 May 2023, Björn Felten said the following...

    What has Joe Biden done that is positive.

    What has he done that is *not* positive?

    Biden did *not* lead an attempted coup.
    Biden did *not* call dead soldiers 'losers'.
    Biden was *not* found liable for sexual abuse.
    Biden was *not* credibly accused of rape and sexual harassment by 26 women.
    Biden did *not* add $7.8 to the debt.
    Biden did *not* say 'There are good people on both sides' in Charlottesville.
    Biden was *not* responsible for 1,000,000 Covid deaths.
    Biden did *not* call for the termination of the Constitution.
    Biden has *not* repeatedly praised Putin.
    Biden did *not* tell 30,000 lies or falsehoods while in office.

    Many of these if not every single one of them are baseless statements, without facts to support these as true.
    However, I do not have the time at this moment, to properly reply, due to my schedule w/ work, but no worries I will respond to your clown-show, when my day at the Department of State concludes.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Tue May 23 07:35:51 2023

    I never called for anybody to lock her up (Hillary Clinton).
    I never called for anybody to lock him up (Hunter Biden).
    I never called for anybody to lock 'em all up (Republicans'
    perceived enemies). Neither has Björn or any other "liberal"
    that I know of. Both in and outside of this echo.

    Please. Tell me what charges were filed by the special counsel.
    Can't think of any? Neither can I (or anybody else).


    And there won't be during this administration, DOJ is corrupt. Given what we know Hillary et al. should be on trial, just with the stuff that was made public. We should also find out why the Clinton Foundation investigation was dropped, if it was dropped inappropriately, reinstate it.

    We should have an honest review of Hunter's laptop and earnest credit to the whistle blowers in the FBI and IRS that have evidence of malfeasances they say they have on the Biden family. We heard whistle blowers on a perfect and beautiful conversation Trump had with a sketchy world leader who NOW receives billions of dollars in tax payer money... Where, now, president son was taking MILLIONS of dollars for something he wasn't qualified to do.

    I think every elected official should be investigated for insider trading, whatever party, and explain their shady transaction ... Mrs. Pelosi, worst offender.... Every-single-one of those little bitches should be exposed and shown as the frauds they are.

    I think that because no one reads the 5000000 page bills they pass someone should put in term limits on congress so we don't have the mess we have.

    If the US survives this presidency first term, with the constitution intact, we should gut these agencies that are not in the constitution... CIA, FBI, NSA, IRS... The EPA... the list goes on and on. Find out a way to have them work for the people and in no way for political purposes.

    Interesting fact, I don't have the exact numbers in front of me... in 2022 (I think)... congress passed some 130 new laws, it was more than 130 but less that 135. BUT... the unelected 4rth branch of government, AKA The Deep State, passed over 3000, this was done in regulations...., Interesting... This 4rth unconstitutional branch of government is more powerful than the 3 constitutional branches combined.

    What we learned from Elon taking over Twitter is that you can fire 80% of a workforce and the company still works fine...

    Lets pray we survive ...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tue May 23 09:51:32 2023
    And there won't be during this administration, DOJ is corrupt.

    That's a bold statement. Based on what?

    The DOJ has not acted badly at all.

    Given what we know Hillary et al. should be on trial, just with the stuff that was made public.

    Hillary was investigated inside out and no charges were made.

    We should also find out why the Clinton Foundation investigation was
    dropped, if it was dropped inappropriately, reinstate it.

    Sure, investigate.

    We should have an honest review of Hunter's laptop and earnest credit to the whistle blowers in the FBI and IRS that have evidence of malfeasances they say they have on the Biden family.

    If there ever was anything on Hunter's laptop it is lost because of the chain of custody.

    We heard whistle blowers on a perfect and beautiful conversation Trump had with a sketchy world leader who NOW receives billions of dollars in tax
    payer money...

    Beautiful conversation? It was extortion. That world leader does not recieve any taxpayer money.

    Where, now, president son was taking MILLIONS of dollars for something he wasn't qualified to do.

    President son didn't take anything. He was paid for his time/service.

    I think every elected official should be investigated for insider trading, whatever party, and explain their shady transaction ... Mrs. Pelosi, worst offender.... Every-single-one of those little bitches should be exposed and shown as the frauds they are.

    Yes, every person who commits a crime should be charged and prosecuted.

    If the US survives this presidency first term, with the constitution intact,

    The US is doing well and the constitution holds.

    we should gut these agencies that are not in the constitution... CIA, FBI, NSA, IRS... The EPA... the list goes on and on. Find out a way to have
    them work for the people and in no way for political purposes.

    Gut the CIA, FBI, NSA, the EPA? Why? Because Donald Trump is being investigated for his crimes?

    I thought you wanted criminals to be charged and prosected?

    Interesting fact, I don't have the exact numbers in front of me... in 2022 (I think)... congress passed some 130 new laws, it was more than 130 but less that 135. BUT... the unelected 4rth branch of government, AKA The Deep State, passed over 3000, this was done in regulations...., Interesting...

    There is no deep state. That's just a QAnon conspiracy theory.

    As far as laws and regulations that's just normal. Laws and regulations are meant to make things better for everyone.

    This 4rth unconstitutional branch of government is more powerful than the 3 constitutional branches combined.

    Great talking point but nothing more.

    Lets pray we survive ...

    Yeah, thoughts and prayers.

    What we need is action, not thoughts and prayers and well wishes.

    When I say we need action, I mean we need positive actions. Not a lot of talk about useless "investigations" into things that have already been investigated and come up empty like the Durham report.

    Remember all that talk about the "crime of the century" that Durham was going to investigate?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 23 11:54:30 2023
    On 23 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    And there won't be during this administration, DOJ is corrupt.

    That's a bold statement. Based on what?

    The DOJ has not acted badly at all.


    Yes it has... It was part of the group who acted and knew about the Russia Hokes. It was part of the group who acted in and knew about Hunter's laptop. They are the same group who acted and knew about the IRS/FBI knowledge of Joe Biden taking bribes while he was a VP. Unless deep state gets tired of Joe... he'll float through this... If they do... the leaks will start and his end will come swift.


    Hillary was investigated inside out and no charges were made.


    Hillary was not fully investigated... investigation dropped... Current GOP is pushing the FBI to expand on this...


    If there ever was anything on Hunter's laptop it is lost because of the chain of custody.


    There are ways to authenticate things.... HAHAHA... they even have one of the prostitutes coming in to testify. Apparently with her testimony and bank records they can prove Joe paid her $30,000.00 to have sex with his son... and there are photos to prove it. It's also easy to authenticate the emails and whatnot... electronic finger prints on the emails and they can just talk to the recipients and ask them if they received that email from hunter.


    Beautiful conversation? It was extortion. That world leader does not recieve any taxpayer money.


    It was a beautiful conversation... I read the transcript.. If you're going to send billions of dollars to a world leader why not ask a few questions. Trump sent the money on time, no restrictions, and was found innocent of all wrong doings.


    President son didn't take anything. He was paid for his time/service.


    Funny, what was his expertise... Hunter said in an interview that he had no clue about the oil and gas industry, or anything about Ukraine... or did he even speak the language... He was just paid millions and owed the big guy 10%.


    The US is doing well and the constitution holds.


    The US is not doing well... Major recession, possible depression, is not too far away.


    Gut the CIA, FBI, NSA, the EPA? Why? Because Donald Trump is being investigated for his crimes?


    No, not because they are investigating The Donald... All are unconstitutional and all are working in someway to undermined the citizens in someway. We need to get back to our roots... Small federal government where
    the states have more power and more rights than the feds do.


    There is no deep state. That's just a QAnon conspiracy theory.


    There is a deep state... those are the ones sooooooooo worried about Trump getting in and exposing them even more than he already has.


    As far as laws and regulations that's just normal. Laws and regulations are meant to make things better for everyone.


    That may be "normal" to you... but having the deep state regulate their way of thinking and forcing people act in accordance is unconstitutional

    Article 1 Section 1., All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Nowhere does it say pull new laws out of your ass with unelected officials.


    Remember all that talk about the "crime of the century" that Durham was going to investigate?


    Durham pointed things out... let congress take things from there. Once they get rid of the partisan DOJ... let the evidence go where it takes it and throw some of these real scum bags to jail

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tue May 23 12:06:24 2023
    The DOJ has not acted badly at all.

    Yes it has... It was part of the group who acted and knew about the Russia Hokes.

    It was part of the group who acted in and knew about Hunter's laptop.

    It was not a hoax. The Mueller report did not charge Donald Trump with anything, it was never going to. It didn't exonerate him either.

    https://youtu.be/HMp9_f-jxDw

    They are the same group who acted and knew about the IRS/FBI knowledge of Joe Biden taking bribes while he was a VP. Unless deep state gets tired of Joe... he'll float through this... If they do... the leaks will start and his end will come swift.

    That is a lie.

    Hillary was investigated inside out and no charges were made.

    Hillary was not fully investigated... investigation dropped... Current GOP is pushing the FBI to expand on this...

    There is nothing to expand on. Hillary was investigated and no charges were made.

    If there ever was anything on Hunter's laptop it is lost because of the
    chain of custody.

    There are ways to authenticate things.... HAHAHA...

    Sure there are but this Hunter thing is a another nothing burger.

    they even have one of the prostitutes coming in to testify.

    A protitude is coming in to testify? ;)

    Apparently with her testimony and bank records they can prove Joe paid her $30,000.00 to have sex with his son...

    I'll believe it when I see it.

    When will I see it Joe?

    and there are photos to prove it. It's also easy to authenticate the emails and whatnot... electronic finger prints on the emails and they can just talk to the recipients and ask them if they received that email from hunter.

    I hope the "evidence" and "witnesses" doesn't turn out to be another Jim Jordan clown show like the show he put on with FBI "whistleblowers" who were really just disgruntled former (or soon to be) FBI agents who received $$$ from Kash Patel.

    Beautiful conversation? It was extortion. That world leader does not
    recieve any taxpayer money.

    It was a beautiful conversation... I read the transcript..

    It was extortion.

    If you're going to send billions of dollars to a world leader why not ask a few questions.

    Trump didn't ask any questions, he wanted a favor, dirt on Biden.

    Trump sent the money on time, no restrictions, and was found innocent of all wrong doings.

    On time for what? Trump delayed the payment.

    President son didn't take anything. He was paid for his time/service.

    Funny, what was his expertise... Hunter said in an interview that he had no clue about the oil and gas industry, or anything about Ukraine... or did he even speak the language... He was just paid millions and owed the big guy 10%

    Can you prove that?

    The US is doing well and the constitution holds.

    The US is not doing well...

    There are challenges but the US is doing quite well.

    Major recession, possible depression, is not too far away.

    Biden did not cause any of that but has done well navigating it.

    Gut the CIA, FBI, NSA, the EPA? Why? Because Donald Trump is being
    investigated for his crimes?

    No, not because they are investigating The Donald... All are unconstitutional

    How is investigating crime and bringing changes to criminals unconstitutional?

    and all are working in someway to undermined the citizens in someway. We need to get back to our roots... Small federal government where
    the states have more power and more rights than the feds do.

    How is investigating criminals undermining the citizens in someway?

    There is no deep state. That's just a QAnon conspiracy theory.

    There is a deep state... those are the ones sooooooooo worried about Trump getting in and exposing them even more than he already has.

    No one is worried about Trump getting in and exposing anything.

    If there is stuff to be exposed bring it on and lets have a look.

    As far as laws and regulations that's just normal. Laws and regulations
    are meant to make things better for everyone.

    That may be "normal" to you... but having the deep state regulate their way of thinking and forcing people act in accordance is unconstitutional

    There is no deep state and there is no one trying to regulate "their" way of thinking.

    Article 1 Section 1., All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and
    House of Representatives.

    That's all well and good.

    Nowhere does it say pull new laws out of your ass with unelected officials.

    What unelected officials do you speak of?

    Remember all that talk about the "crime of the century" that Durham was
    going to investigate?

    Durham pointed things out... let congress take things from there.

    The Durham report pointed what out?

    Once they get rid of the partisan DOJ... let the evidence go where it takes it and throw some of these real scum bags to jail

    The DOJ/FBI is not partisan, it's not even a political party.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue May 23 21:44:58 2023
    Gregory Deyss -> Björn Felten skrev 2023-05-23 13:08:
    Biden did *not* lead an attempted coup.
    Biden did *not* call dead soldiers 'losers'.
    Biden was *not* found liable for sexual abuse.
    Biden was *not* credibly accused of rape and sexual harassment by 26
    women.
    Biden did *not* add $7.8T to the debt.
    Biden did *not* say 'There are good people on both sides' in
    Charlottesville.
    Biden was *not* responsible for 1,000,000 Covid deaths.
    Biden did *not* call for the termination of the Constitution.
    Biden has *not* repeatedly praised Putin.
    Biden did *not* tell 30,000 lies or falsehoods while in office.

    Many of these if not every single one of them are baseless statements, without facts to support these as true.

    Hold on a minute now. Are you actually saying that you have proof that any of the above non-achievements are false? That Biden actually *did* a single one (even all, really?) of those.

    Holy Cow, hold your popcorn folks, this is gonna be a GR8 one...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 23 21:50:10 2023
    Durham pointed things out... let congress take things from there.

    The Durham report pointed what out?

    That Gregory guy has promised he'll actually *read* the report, and then come back to us and tell us where to find all the "facts" that he had found -- without even having read the report, yeah, well, I know, that's the GOP way nowadays...


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 23 14:12:43 2023
    On 23 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    It was not a hoax. The Mueller report did not charge Donald Trump with anything, it was never going to. It didn't exonerate him either.

    https://youtu.be/HMp9_f-jxDw


    I did not say Mueller ... The Durham report, just released, said Trump had nothing to do with Russia... It claims the whole thing was setup by Hillary, and perpetuated by the FBI, CIA, media and the power structure of the government. I watched Mueller testify and he has about the same amount of Alzheimer's as Joe has...


    They are the same group who acted and knew about the IRS/FBI knowledge o Biden taking bribes while he was a VP. Unless deep state gets tired of Joe... he'll float through this... If they do... the leaks will start an end will come swift.

    That is a lie.

    This is not a lie... they are currently trying to investigate this now... FBI whistle blowers gave document numbers to the GOP house investigators... FBI said they had those documents but aren't releasing them.

    DOJ should be the ones to in force the document request... but they are part of the problem.


    There is nothing to expand on. Hillary was investigated and no charges were made.


    Do you not watch the news?? It's been shown that Hillary's investigation was dropped suddenly without being completed. GOP are saying they'll cut the FBI's funding if they can't explain this...


    A protitude is coming in to testify? ;)


    MTG, says this lady is coming in to give sworn testimony... and has a bank account transfer of $30,000.00 from Joe Biden. Apparently she's seen the smoking gun.

    I know that I'm a bit of a news hound.... Things are happening... you have to be not looking at things purposefully in order to see what you want to see.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tue May 23 15:37:00 2023
    Passed a large bi-partisan infrastructure bill.
    Passed another bill that will do much for the economy, for the
    environment, and also more infrastructure.

    When will it start doing so, for the economy in particular?

    Was that the drilling in places where permits should never have been
    issued, perhaps because of severe damage to the economy.

    Damage whose economy? The OPEC countries? Venezuela? China? Certainly
    not ours.

    Inflation continues to rise, and not rise but sky-rocket.

    Inflation rate has declined.
    Unemployment rate is lower than it has been for half a century.

    People who get so discouraged they stop looking for work stop counting as unemployed.

    Tell us why it was not shot down over mid-America? What might have been
    the result?

    Do you mean once they waited until it was over populated mid-America, or do
    you mean if they'd done it while it was over areas that are barely populated?


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tue May 23 14:05:18 2023
    I did not say Mueller ... The Durham report, just released, said Trump had nothing to do with Russia...

    Is that what it says?

    It claims the whole thing was setup by Hillary, and perpetuated by the FBI, CIA, media and the power structure of the government.

    No, that was the claim that Durham was charged with investigating.

    After all those years at the conclusion there are still no charges.

    I watched Mueller testify and he has about the same amount of
    Alzheimer's as Joe has...

    I don't know Meuller aside from the fact that his report does not exonerate Donald Trump.

    They are the same group who acted and knew about the IRS/FBI knowledge o >> > Biden taking bribes while he was a VP. Unless deep state gets tired of
    Joe... he'll float through this... If they do... the leaks will start an >> > end will come swift.

    That is a lie.

    This is not a lie... they are currently trying to investigate this now... FBI whistle blowers gave document numbers to the GOP house investigators... FBI said they had those documents but aren't releasing them.

    I believe it is a lie. Comer and Jordan are beyond comedy but I'll have a look and see what this is about.

    DOJ should be the ones to in force the document request... but they are part of the problem.

    What "document" is requested?

    There is nothing to expand on. Hillary was investigated and no charges
    were made.

    Do you not watch the news?? It's been shown that Hillary's investigation was dropped suddenly without being completed. GOP are saying they'll cut the FBI' funding if they can't explain this...

    I'm not a news junkie but I'll definately see if I can get up to speed with these "developing stories".

    It's not published by the same folks who published the "Vets made homeless to make way for illegal immigrants" story, is it?

    A protitude is coming in to testify? ;)

    MTG, says this lady is coming in to give sworn testimony... and has a bank account transfer of $30,000.00 from Joe Biden. Apparently she's seen the smoking gun.

    MTG says there is a prostitute is coming in to give sworn testimony?

    Do you see the red lights flashing there?

    I know that I'm a bit of a news hound.... Things are happening... you have to be not looking at things purposefully in order to see what you want to see.

    I got a couple sound bites of Jim Jordan and what sounds like what you are talking about but no details yet. I'm sure I'll be able to read up on it soon.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Wed May 24 00:48:00 2023
    On 05-23-23 15:37, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Durham Report explai <=-

    Was that the drilling in places where permits should never have been
    issued, perhaps because of severe damage to the economy.

    Damage whose economy? The OPEC countries? Venezuela? China?
    Certainly not ours.

    Mea Culpa -- I meant to say "to the environment".

    Inflation continues to rise, and not rise but sky-rocket.

    Inflation rate has declined.
    Unemployment rate is lower than it has been for half a century.

    People who get so discouraged they stop looking for work stop counting
    as unemployed.

    Is there a count of such people? I really do not know.

    Tell us why it was not shot down over mid-America? What might have been
    the result?

    Do you mean once they waited until it was over populated mid-America,
    or do you mean if they'd done it while it was over areas that are
    barely populated?

    Did they know about it then?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Wed May 24 01:23:04 2023
    On 05-23-23 15:37, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-



    The US is doing well and the constitution holds.


    On the news this morning, they mentioned that US business are going bankrupt at rate not seen since the 2008 Recession, and that market analysts expect business to continue to do so, pushing the rate beyond that seen in 2008.

    News in this case = local and not FOX or any other news channel.

    I would not call that doing well.

    What were the conditions that would have caused that to happen? Perhaps
    they were talking about what will happen if the Speaker does not agree
    to pass a clean bill raising the debt ceiling as has always been done.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 24 09:14:16 2023
    On 23 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    I did not say Mueller ... The Durham report, just released, said Trump h nothing to do with Russia...

    Is that what it says?


    Yes


    No, that was the claim that Durham was charged with investigating.

    After all those years at the conclusion there are still no charges.


    Durham started his investigation to show the origins of the Russia Hokes... and they found that Trump had no connection to Russia as it was presented in the 2016 election and 2020 not so. Durham found that Hillary made up a story of Trump's connection to Russia. She in turn used the FBI, CIA and the like to perpetuate this lie. FBI & CIA sold this to a willing media who never spent any time vetting the stories. The report showed that Obama and Biden had been briefed on what Hillary was up to, yet said nothing....

    No charges laid... DOJ is corrupt... This should mean a lot to everyone... If and when the tables turn and the GOP want to use the same tactics... just STFU and don't say a word.


    I don't know Meuller aside from the fact that his report does not exonerate Donald Trump.


    Why do you keep bringing up Meuller... Knowing what we know from the Durham report Meuller should not have even investigated anything. Durham concluded it was all lies and it was Durham that concluded Trump had nothing to do with it.


    What "document" is requested?


    There are some documents, apparently not classified, that shows, and proves, that Joe Biden has been bribed from other countries and foreign players. The GOP requested these documents, constitutionally they have oversight authority, the FBI snubbed them with a 6 page letter. This may end up in court... But the GOP lead House may restrict the FBI's funding if they don't produce said documents.

    This is currently in the NEWS....


    MTG says there is a prostitute is coming in to give sworn testimony?


    Yes, she's part of the committee looking into the Biden IRS mess. The GOP was given financial information on the Biden's a few months back, these were the ones that the Feds flagged as suspicious, I think 150 transaction in total. During the preliminary part of the investigation it was found at least $10,000,000.00 from adversarial countries were paid out to the 9 Bidens... Some of these people we know... Hunter, Jim, Jill... BUT some of that even when to the Biden grandchildren.

    This is current NEWS as well, GOP held a news conference talking about it.

    Back to the hooker, they located her and she's willing to testify... So far from what has been made public... She said she was paid $30,000.00 to have sex with Hunter. She's shown the money transfer to her account and account of origins links back to Joe Biden... And of course Hunter video taped the whole session and a copy of her having coitus with her is there for everyone to see.

    WTF, 30K... The Bidens need to read Trump's book, The Art of The Deal, and negotiate a better price for Hunter's prostitutes.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Wed May 24 17:28:47 2023
    Durham started his investigation to show the origins of the Russia Hokes... and they found that Trump had no connection to Russia as it was presented in the 2016 election and 2020 not so. Durham found that
    Hillary made up a story of Trump's connection to Russia. She in turn
    used the FBI, CIA and the like to perpetuate this lie. FBI & CIA sold this to a willing media who never spent any time vetting the stories.
    The report showed that Obama and Biden had been briefed on what Hillary was up to, yet said nothing....

    So, you too obviously have *not* read the report. Just more hearsay. Why do y'all keep doing this, when it's so obvious for anyone that *has* read the report?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Wed May 24 09:45:58 2023
    On 24 May 2023, Björn Felten said the following...

    So, you too obviously have *not* read the report. Just more hearsay. Why do y'all keep doing this, when it's so obvious for anyone that *has* read the report?


    I have and all the major news outlets here are reporting all the things I have spoken about thus far.... Moreover I follow a few legal channels on Youtube that have broken it down in the same manner that it's being reported, no one thus far is deviating from what is being reported... except you... Funny... The WH press secretary runs away when asked a question on the Durham report... if there was a leg to stand on or an argument to make she would have made it already.

    Stop drinking the liberal Kool Aide...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Wed May 24 18:25:21 2023
    I have

    Liar liar, pants on fire.

    and all the major news outlets here are reporting all the things
    I have spoken about thus far.... Moreover I follow a few legal channels
    on Youtube that have broken it down in the same manner that it's being reported, no one thus far is deviating from what is being reported...

    And you don't realize that all the above equates to hearsay? What was first, the chicken or the egg?

    except you... Funny...

    What have I reported? All I'm saying is that you really should read the report before you start presenting other people's interpretation of it, as facts.

    The WH press secretary runs away when asked a
    question on the Durham report...

    Says who? TRUTH Social?

    if there was a leg to stand on or an
    argument to make she would have made it already.

    Why? How is it her job to debunk all the crazy talk, based on hearsay?


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Björn Felten on Wed May 24 10:50:09 2023
    On 24 May 2023, Björn Felten said the following...

    if there was a leg to stand on or an
    argument to make she would have made it already.

    Why? How is it her job to debunk all the crazy talk, based on hearsay?


    That is her job... She's the press secretary... Hello ...

    Sine you claim, or have implied you've read the Durham report... Do me a favor... Site the page... cut and paste the argument that Durham used that counters the current narrative that's being pushed by the News and anyone out there ... something that doesn't say Trump had nothing to do with Russia... It was a lie that Hillary started ... It was propagated by the FBI & CIA working with the willing media and that the highest levels of the US government knew it was a lie.

    I have the Durham report ready, it's search it to verify your position...

    Now waiting to hear facts... please help me understand your point of view.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Wed May 24 10:46:04 2023
    I don't know Meuller aside from the fact that his report does not
    exonerate Donald Trump.


    Why do you keep bringing up Meuller... Knowing what we know from the Durham report Meuller should not have even investigated anything. Durham concluded it was all lies and it was Durham that concluded Trump had nothing to do with it.

    You were talking about hokes. It's the Mueller that the right keeps calling a hoax. The Durham "investigation" was going to blow it all up. It didn't.

    What "document" is requested?

    There are some documents, apparently not classified, that shows, and proves, that Joe Biden has been bribed from other countries and foreign players. The
    GOP requested these documents, constitutionally they have oversight authority, >the FBI snubbed them with a 6 page letter. This may end up in court... But th
    GOP lead House may restrict the FBI's funding if they don't produce said documents.

    This is currently in the NEWS....

    It's not in my news. I saw some headlines on forbes talking about Jim Jordan's current witch hunt but I don't know what document you speak of.

    MTG says there is a prostitute is coming in to give sworn testimony?

    Yes, she's part of the committee looking into the Biden IRS mess. The GOP was
    given financial information on the Biden's a few months back, these were the ones that the Feds flagged as suspicious, I think 150 transaction in total. During the preliminary part of the investigation it was found at least
    $10,000,000.00 from adversarial countries were paid out to the 9 Bidens... Som
    of these people we know... Hunter, Jim, Jill... BUT some of that even when to the Biden grandchildren.

    I wouldn't look to MTG for anything at all.

    WTF, 30K... The Bidens need to read Trump's book, The Art of The Deal, and negotiate a better price for Hunter's prostitutes.

    I dunno. Trump paid Ms. Stormy 130K.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 24 12:41:44 2023
    On 24 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...


    You were talking about hokes. It's the Mueller that the right keeps calling a hoax. The Durham "investigation" was going to blow it all up.
    It didn't.


    Durham set out to investigate the origins of the Russia issue. What Durham had found out that it was ALL BS....

    NewsMax wrote...

    Not only did the Durham Report find fault with the FBIs investigation into allegations of ties between Russia and Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, it also debunked various claims made by leading Democrats in the first two years of Trump's presidency.

    You'd have to be willfully ignoring the news to not see what the Durham showed.

    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being removed because of what did during the Russia Hokes and what the Durham report said specifically about him, and his staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    At some point you might want to look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Wed May 24 12:31:46 2023
    Not only did the Durham Report find fault with the FBIs investigation into allegations of ties between Russia and Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, it also debunked various claims made by leading Democrats in the first two years of Trump's presidency.

    What claims were debunked?

    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being removed because of what did during the Russia Hokes and what the Durham report said specifically about him, and his staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    That would be news, if there is any truth in it.

    At some point you might want to look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion.

    I'll gladly look at the facts/evidence if you can show it to me.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 24 13:54:04 2023

    What claims were debunked?


    Pretty much everything was debunked... Trump had no involvement in the Russia scam, as per Durham... Durham stated that this was all a lie created buy Hillary, the FBI & CIA... and propagated buy a willing media. This was also known By Obama and Biden, as they were briefed on this and chose not to speak out on it.


    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being removed becau what did during the Russia Hokes and what the Durham report said specifi about him, and his staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    That would be news, if there is any truth in it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKmo_B6j9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gEV-u32ec

    Just a few...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Wed May 24 13:18:40 2023
    That would be news, if there is any truth in it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKmo_B6j9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gEV-u32ec

    That would be news, if there was any truth to it.

    Just a few...

    Just a few more MAGA morons. It's a continuation of the same old thing.

    Adam schiff is held in much higher esteem than Keven McCarthy ever will.

    Adam schiff never held the economy hostage. If Keven McCarthy doesn't change course he (and his GOP supporters) are going to tank the economy.

    It'll be an American first.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Wed May 24 15:52:00 2023
    Was that the drilling in places where permits should never have been issued, perhaps because of severe damage to the economy.

    Damage whose economy? The OPEC countries? Venezuela? China?
    Certainly not ours.

    Mea Culpa -- I meant to say "to the environment".

    That would make more sense. ;)

    Inflation continues to rise, and not rise but sky-rocket.

    Inflation rate has declined.
    Unemployment rate is lower than it has been for half a century.

    People who get so discouraged they stop looking for work stop counting as unemployed.

    Is there a count of such people? I really do not know.

    Sometimes I hear the news people refer to "the jobless rate." I am not
    certain but I think the people who are trying to find jobs but whose unemployment runs out are also not counted in the unemployment rate because, as you point out, they are more difficult to count if they are no longer on the roles.

    Tell us why it was not shot down over mid-America? What might have been the result?

    Do you mean once they waited until it was over populated mid-America,
    or do you mean if they'd done it while it was over areas that are
    barely populated?

    Did they know about it then?

    I think they the government did, as did the folks who spotted it early on
    due to the clear weather. IIRC, Canada knew about it before it got here
    and told our authorities, and we may have known about it while it was over Alaska.

    I don't necessarily think Biden was informed about it until those public sightings started showing up.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Wed May 24 15:23:00 2023
    On the news this morning, they mentioned that US business are going bankrupt at rate not seen since the 2008 Recession, and that market analysts expect business to continue to do so, pushing the rate beyond that seen in 2008.

    What were the conditions that would have caused that to happen? Perhaps
    they were talking about what will happen if the Speaker does not agree
    to pass a clean bill raising the debt ceiling as has always been done.

    I understood it to be the current economic trends, but I am sure the
    discussion about allowing the government to spend even more money they
    don't have, even if that is how they did it in the past won't help if it
    comes true.

    That takes two sides, though... like "we will do it if you agree to some spending cuts" and the other side saying "NO!"

    One of our senators was on TV this morning and says that he believes there
    will be a bipartisan deal and it will be signed.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Wed May 24 21:17:48 2023
    On 23 May 2023, Björn Felten said the following...

    What has Joe Biden done that is positive.
    What has he done that is *not* positive?
    Biden did *not* lead an attempted coup.
    But he has supported several coup d'état from all over the world and has been influential in other countries affairs with the clearest quid pro quo ever seen.

    In a video from a Council on Foreign Relations event in 2018, Biden is heard bragging about using his influence to get Shokin fired, including threatening to call back a $1 billion loan from the U.S. government to Ukraine if the firing didn't happen.

    "I said, You're not getting the billion. I'm going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money, Biden says in the video, referring to a conversation with then-Ukraine President Petro
    Poroshenko., son of a bitch, he got fired," Biden adds.

    Video of Proof
    https://tinyurl.com/2fyaayw6
    By the way it's not up to any American democrat to say who is better as a prosecutor in a foreign land. Additionally, Hunter Biden had no business serving on the board for gas company in Ukraine, when he knows nothing about the subject.

    Trump was right Joe and Hunter are crooked, as we are now seeing within the Biden Crime Syndicate.

    Subpoenaed financial records now show that from 2015 to 2017, Biden family members Hunter Biden, James Biden, Hallie Biden, and an unknown Biden and their companies collectively received $1.3 million in payments from accounts related to Rob Walker, a Biden family associate.
    Source of Truth: https://tinyurl.com/hyjfpt97

    - Biden did *not* call dead soldiers 'losers'.
    Biden did use the term Dog-faced pony soldier to a female American voter. Source of Truth: https://tinyurl.com/bdd3pb9y
    Notably Biden left the State of New Hampshire in disgrace to head to S.C.

    - Biden was *not* found liable for sexual abuse.
    A former neighbor of Reade's named Lynda LaCasse told NPR a conversation the two had approximately 25 years ago regarding the alleged assault.

    LaCasse said she remembers stepping outside her home in California to sneak a cigarette away from her kids sometime in 1995 or early 1996, when she was joined by Reade on her front stoop. They were emotional, discussing custody issues and violence, and she recalls Reade then mentioning Biden, a man LaCasse was not particularly familiar with at the time.

    "I do remember her telling me that Joe Biden had put her up against a wall and had put his hands up her skirt and had put his fingers inside her."
    Sure does sound like a Sexual Assault to me.
    Source of Truth: https://tinyurl.com/yh9w6kfb

    - Biden was *not* credibly accused of rape and sexual harassment by 26 women.
    same story as above and if that is not damming enough Biden stole another man's women. When Jill had affair with Joe Biden while she was still married.
    Source of Truth: https://tinyurl.com/cd9856r4

    - Biden did *not* add $7.8 to the debt.
    Facts: Biden Brags About Deficit Reduction While Adding Nearly $10 Trillion Source of Truth : https://tinyurl.com/yz3p79wd
    of which is directly from budget.house.gov/press-release

    - Biden did *not* say 'There are good people on both sides' in Charlottesville.
    Joe Biden Says "Poor Kids Are Just as Bright as White Kids."

    On Charlamagne Tha God's popular morning radio show in May 2020, Biden infamously asserted to the largely black audience that if they were unsure of whether to vote for him or Trump, then you ain't black!

    Meanwhile moments from the very same interview he went on to say the following....
    responding to a question on whether he had taken a cognitive test,
    Biden angrily fired back with the suggestion that the black reporter was a drug addict. " That's like saying you . . . before you got in this program, you're take [sic] a test whether you're taking cocaine or not, Biden said. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?

    - Biden was *not* responsible for 1,000,000 Covid deaths.
    Covid-19 Deaths under Biden Surpass Deaths during Trump Administration
    Source of Truth: https://tinyurl.com/38uyvbm9

    - Biden did *not* call for the termination of the Constitution.
    You are deliberately twisting this.. You can't get your facts straight..

    In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to terminate the Constitution.

    Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. https://truthsocial.com/ Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse's mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to terminate the Constitution which Trump says he didn't do.

    - Biden has *not* repeatedly praised Putin.

    Trump has frequently suggested that Russia would never have invaded Ukraine if he were still president as he and Putin had an understanding.

    - Biden did *not* tell 30,000 lies or falsehoods while in office.
    Who can tell what Biden is saying half the time with him mumbling with questionable words and slaughtering and stammering attempting to speak.
    Biden is a complete disgrace.
    As for you Test me again B!tch.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Thu May 25 01:48:00 2023
    On 05-24-23 12:41, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being
    removed because of what did during the Russia Hokes and
    what the Durham report said specifically about him, and his
    staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    Where does the Duram report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page
    number please.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu May 25 07:27:39 2023
    On 25 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 05-24-23 12:41, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being
    removed because of what did during the Russia Hokes and
    what the Durham report said specifically about him, and his
    staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    Where does the Duram report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page number please.
    Pages 96, 233 and page 291

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 25 14:48:33 2023
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    Durham pointed things out... let congress take things from there.

    The Durham report pointed what out?

    No charges filed against any Republicans' perceived enemies.

    Once they get rid of the partisan DOJ... let the evidence go where it takes
    it and throw some of these real scum bags to jail

    The DOJ/FBI is not partisan, it's not even a political party.

    Lock her up. No charges necessary.
    Lock him up. No charges necessary.
    Lock 'em all up. No charges necessary.

    That is what MAGA nutjobs want.
    Even after John Durham failed to deliver.

    What is going to happen when they finally realize they will never
    get what they want? Will they again go on the warpath (such as what
    happened on January 6)? Or will they even bother having an election?
    After all, their orange god still maintains the last one was rigged.
    Regardless of what the courts have said.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Thu May 25 14:48:45 2023
    IB Joe -> Alan Ianson pretended :
    On 23 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    It was not a hoax. The Mueller report did not charge Donald Trump
    with
    anything, it was never going to. It didn't exonerate him either.

    https://youtu.be/HMp9_f-jxDw


    I did not say Mueller ... The Durham report, just released, said Trump had nothing to do with Russia... It claims the whole thing was setup by Hillary, and perpetuated by the FBI, CIA, media and the power structure of the government. I watched Mueller testify and he has about the same amount
    of Alzheimer's as Joe has...

    What charges were filed? He huffed, and he puffed. But could find
    none to file against any of Republicans' perceived enemies. Amazing
    how much time he could manage to waste - coming up with plenty of
    notning. Absolutely nothing.

    [..]

    This is not a lie... they are currently trying to investigate this now... FBI whistle blowers gave document numbers to the GOP house investigators...
    FBI said they had those documents but aren't releasing them.

    Nothing. Plenty of nothing. Abstolutely nothing. That is the
    conclusion of what John Durham found. Remember that.

    DOJ should be the ones to in force the document request... but they are part
    of the problem.

    The John Durham Report is available for all to read. Please feel
    free to do so. If you can find time.

    There is nothing to expand on. Hillary was investigated and no charges
    were made.

    Do you not watch the news?? It's been shown that Hillary's investigation was dropped suddenly without being completed. GOP are saying they'll cut the FBI's funding if they can't explain this...

    He huffed. And he puffed. And he came up with nothing.
    One does not even have to imagine it, as it is all in his
    report, available for all to read (assuming they can find
    the time). And you are now saying that John Durham was
    incompetent, trying to put the blame on the FBI? My, my.
    You are delusional. Even moreso than MAGA nutjobs.

    No charged filed on Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, or any other
    Republican's perceived enemies. But hey. Keep trying. Even after
    they are dead, that is what MAGA nutjobs will do. The monster is
    always under the bed even if no monsters exist ..

    A protitude is coming in to testify? ;)

    MTG, says this lady is coming in to give sworn testimony... and has a bank account transfer of $30,000.00 from Joe Biden. Apparently she's seen the smoking gun.

    Keep looking for monsters, old man. I'm rejoining reality.

    I know that I'm a bit of a news hound.... Things are happening... you have
    to be not looking at things purposefully in order to see what you want to see.

    "There's a monster ... under my bed." ~Carlos Santana

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 25 14:48:56 2023
    Hello Alan,

    I did not say Mueller ... The Durham report, just released, said Trump had
    nothing to do with Russia...

    Is that what it says?

    He never bothered to read it. So how would he know?

    It claims the whole thing was setup by Hillary, and perpetuated by the FBI,
    CIA, media and the power structure of the government.

    No, that was the claim that Durham was charged with investigating.

    He huffed. And he puffed. And he blew his own house down.

    After all those years at the conclusion there are still no charges.

    All those Republicans' received enemies. Still standing after all
    these years. Doesn't really matter which names come up. Might as well
    lock 'em all up, no charges necessary ...

    I watched Mueller testify and he has about the same amount of
    Alzheimer's as Joe has...

    I don't know Meuller aside from the fact that his report does not exonerate
    Donald Trump.

    The twice-impeached former president was acquitted, but never
    exonerated. And a jury did find hims liable for some very bad things.
    So please. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    For Life,
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 25 09:43:13 2023

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKmo_B6j9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gEV-u32ec

    That would be news, if there was any truth to it.


    Congress is, or has, tabled a $16,000.000.00 sanction against Schift... Even
    if he does get booted out be said he's running for senate in 2024... He'll more than likely get the seat because of his loyalty the Deep State.


    Adam schiff never held the economy hostage. If Keven McCarthy doesn't change course he (and his GOP supporters) are going to tank the economy.

    It'll be an American first.

    It's not an American first... There's a thing called the constitution... Constitution says ....

    Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 contains two clauses: The Appropriations Clause and the Statement and Accounts Clause: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

    Every single time the debt celling was raised it was done by congress and was negotiated with the WH, every time. GOP is simply saying, we'll raise the debt celling but you'll have to cut back a little on your discretionary spending.... like... stop leaving $80 BILLION dollars in military equipment to our enemy, ISIS.

    The US can't just print money forever willy nilly... Congress needs to pass a budget and the WH needs to suck it up...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Thu May 25 10:04:59 2023
    On 25 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 05-24-23 12:41, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Where does the Duram report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page number please.


    Dale, I am not going to get drug into your delusion...

    Adam Schift maybe in the process of being removed, I personally don't support this, none the less it may have traction. The same congress woman who started, requested, his removal has also requested a $16,000,000.00 sanction be levied to Mr. Schift his involvement with this Russia Russia business...

    Schift, well his staff, was sited in the report for intimidating the investigators...

    This is public knowledge and has been widely reported.

    And... it's okay.... looks like Schift will get a Senate seat soon...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Thu May 25 10:45:29 2023
    On 25 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 05-24-23 12:41, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Where does the Duram report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page number please.

    Page 227

    GP:
    No-Even the guy the Congressman who's like focusing the Committee today.... Adam Schiff 'cuz I was watching him after breakfast and he's like if people met with them or are doing business in Russia that's not a crime. The crime that we are looking into is ifthere was like collusion. Which like I said that would be [expletive] nuts. But, I don't believe it.

    CHS-2
    You think anyone involved would have been dumb enough to leave a paper trail?

    GP:
    Well, like I said, I don't. ... I think it would just be insane. Ijust don't think anybody would be that psychotic unless they have like medical problems. 1336

    Page 281

    University-I Researcher-3 said he responded by saying that it would be inappropriate for a public university to do that, and he suggested they contact DARPA. University-I Researcher-3 told investigators that Reed Staffer-2 then said, "We are now in charge," and one of the HPSCI staffers said that their boss (Congressman Adam Schiff) would soon take over leadership of HPSCI. 1627 University-I Researcher-3 took the comment as a mild threat. University-I Researcher-3 said he then "dragged" University-I Researcher-2 out of the meeting. University-I Researcher-2 similarly recalled that University-I Researcher-3 had quickly ended the meeting. 1628 University-! Researcher-3
    told investigators that he told University-! Researcher-2, "Don't touch this with a ten foot pole, stay away from this." 1629 University-I Researcher-3 said he had no recollection of
    1622 OSC

    Adam Schiff was mentioned a few times in the report. The report said that there was no there their for the Russia collusion scandal... AND Schiff knew this and was running around news stations claiming that there was... He personally saw the evidence.

    In the above quoted sections of the report Adam Schiff's staff were intimidating researchers into the topic ... This was one of the things mention in the letters to have him removed.

    BTW, this is in the NEWS...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Gregory Deyss on Thu May 25 10:46:12 2023
    On 25 May 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Pages 96, 233 and page 291

    I didn't see page 96

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Thu May 25 11:21:06 2023
    Congress is, or has, tabled a $16,000.000.00 sanction against Schift... Even if he does get booted out be said he's running for senate in 2024... He'll more than likely get the seat because of his loyalty the Deep State.

    Who tabled that? I haven't heard of this though it sounds like a MTG stunt.

    Good luck with that!

    Adam schiff never held the economy hostage. If Keven McCarthy doesn't
    change course he (and his GOP supporters) are going to tank the economy.

    It'll be an American first.

    It's not an American first...

    It would be an American first, the US have never (for very good reasons) defaulted.


    There's a thing called the constitution...
    Constitution says ....

    Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 contains two clauses: The Appropriations Clause
    and the Statement and Accounts Clause: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

    I am not sure what you are quoting there but the constitution also says this.

    "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

    The above is simple and clear.

    Every single time the debt celling was raised it was done by congress and was negotiated with the WH, every time. GOP is simply saying, we'll raise the debt celling but you'll have to cut back a little on your discretionary spending...

    The debt ceiling is about paying debts that the US government owes.

    It is not about new debt or spending. Congress does and is welcome to consider spending at all times and adjust as needed. That is not what is happening here. Congress needs to pay this debt as it always has, or ...

    The GOP is holding the economy hostage.

    like... stop leaving $80 BILLION dollars in military equipment to our enemy, ISIS.

    This is another lie. The military did not leave 80 billion dollars in military equipment to your enemy, ISIS. I don't care what Steve Bannon or MTG said.

    The US can't just print money forever willy nilly... Congress needs to pass a budget and the WH needs to suck it up...

    This is not about printing money, it is about paying the debt that congress has already spent.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 25 14:35:53 2023
    On 25 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Congress is, or has, tabled a $16,000.000.00 sanction against Schift... if he does get booted out be said he's running for senate in 2024... He' more than likely get the seat because of his loyalty the Deep State.

    Who tabled that? I haven't heard of this though it sounds like a MTG stunt.

    Good luck with that!


    Anna Paulina Luna, from my home state of Florida... This is getting traction...


    There's a thing called the constitution...
    Constitution says ....

    Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 contains two clauses: The Appropriations C
    and the Statement and Accounts Clause: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regula Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Mon shall be published from time to time."

    I am not sure what you are quoting there but the constitution also says this.


    The constitution is clear who sets the bar on debt and budget...


    "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
    services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

    The above is simple and clear.

    As mud, the 14th amendment is one of the civil war amendments 13,14 & 15. This was added in during reconstruction.... and it had in mind that. I was listening to Alan Dershowitz speak on the left thinking of using this and I didn't think it was possible that the left was thinking of using this...

    Interesting... If this is done... this would be so un-American ... The constitution was made to restrict the federal government, not enable a president to do whatever he wants...

    Recent history... recall back in the day when the Democrats lowered the threshold for 60 to simple majority to cram through some Obama appointees... remember?? and what did we say then... don't do it because someday you won't be in power and you might regret it.... and then you changed the rules to appoint federal Judges from a 60 vote to simple majority... and we said don't do that because someday you won't be in power and you may regret it...

    Well then the GOP changed the rules, as per the Democrats prior actions, we lowered the threshold for Justices and we crammed in 3 conservative justices... remember how pissed y'all were...

    Keep it up!!!! Someday you won't be in power...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri May 26 01:12:05 2023
    Hello Björn,

    I have

    Liar liar, pants on fire.

    He's a speed reader. Once it is downloaded to his computer,
    it is read and processed becoming part of his memory.

    and all the major news outlets here are reporting all the things
    I have spoken about thus far.... Moreover I follow a few legal channels
    on Youtube that have broken it down in the same manner that it's being
    reported, no one thus far is deviating from what is being reported...

    And you don't realize that all the above equates to hearsay?

    Hearsay is not evidence. But since it is in the report, he can
    claim it is whatever he says it is. News by YouTube could never
    have been so accurate, having all the facts that can be facts.

    What was first, the chicken or the egg?

    Mork arrived inside an egg, before it cracked on impact. Then
    again, Mork was already cracked before he arrived. Not quite sure
    about Mindy ...

    except you... Funny...

    What have I reported? All I'm saying is that you really should read the report before you start presenting other people's interpretation of it, as facts.

    The WH press secretary runs away when asked a
    question on the Durham report...

    Says who? TRUTH Social?

    Elon Musk is making an appearance with Ron DeSantis on Twitter ...

    if there was a leg to stand on or an
    argument to make she would have made it already.

    Why? How is it her job to debunk all the crazy talk, based on hearsay?

    Hearsay is not evidence.

    The Fox Propaganda Channel knows this.
    And so does the president's press secretary.

    For Life,
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 01:12:20 2023
    Hello Joe,

    [..]

    I have the Durham report ready, it's search it to verify your position...

    Now waiting to hear facts... please help me understand your point of view.

    What charges have been filed against Hillary Clinton?
    What charges have been filed against Hunter Biden?
    What charges have been filed against other Republicans'
    perceived enemies?

    You're all wet, Joe. Regardless of what or how many initials
    you might pretend to have.

    For Life,
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thu May 25 17:40:59 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    What charges have been filed against Hillary Clinton?
    What charges have been filed against Hunter Biden?
    What charges have been filed against other Republicans'
    perceived enemies?


    I don't think you get it... no charges will be brought... The Deep State will protect the ruling class.

    I did say... if they don't find Joe useful any more he'll go down pretty hard.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Fri May 26 02:26:23 2023
    Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp skrev 2023-05-25 13:27:
    Pages 96, 233 and page 291

    WOW! He does know how to make a global search on a PDF file!

    But does he know how to read any of the three (3) hits of the name? Of course not, if you read and understand it, it's all -- as usual -- just hearsay.

    You know, this reminds me of the difference between cooking a meal all by yourself, as opposed to just micro that frozen dinner at 750W for six minutes.

    The first cook knows exactly what goes into the dish, the second one has no idea -- even in the unlikely scenario that he read past the 750W/6 minutes, and come down to the ingredients, he still has no idea what he is stuffing his body with.

    The same goes with getting your facts right. Either you do your own search and evaluation, or you settle for ready made shite from a favourite "news" outlet, like TRUTH Social.

    The Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell, this is how some people try to appear smarter than they'll ever be.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Thu May 25 23:20:27 2023
    The Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell, this is how some people try
    to appear smarter than they'll ever be.

    You have referenced this previously, as I do recall.
    Look, without jumping onto the web to find lots of documents and articles that would prove this cognitive bias theory to be a whole lot of nothing.
    I will simply point out the obvious truth, although there is a calculated risk that you will not understand.

    First I am not like you, the only thing that we share is that we both have been in Fidonet for long time, you longer then I respectively speaking.
    Outside of this we couldn't be more different.

    You have gone on and on about the Durham Report. It's not good news for your liberal friends generalities or their supporting cast of political villains that exist within the legion of doom in the swamp of Washington D.C. and elsewhere.

    It is a disgrace that the FBI allowed itself to be infected with political bias and to be intertwined with a darker evil within the DOJ.
    Joe Biden is the real cancer, perhaps that is why his approval rating is low and it will go lower still.
    Meritless Garland is still pissed off that he is not on the Supreme Court.

    As a American citizen it is embarrassing to see the FBI and the DOJ act like
    a Banana Republic, We can and will do better in the future.
    From Light comes Darkness, and from Darkness.. Light

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri May 26 02:04:00 2023
    On 05-25-23 07:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Durham Report explai <=-

    BTW, Congressman Adam Schift maybe in the process of being
    removed because of what did during the Russia Hokes and
    what the Durham report said specifically about him, and his
    staffers were trying to intimidate the investigators.

    Where does the Durham report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page number please.

    Pages 96, 233 and page 291

    Perhaps you have a different version of the report. The only mention of
    Adam Schiff's name that I found were on pages 93, 227 and 281. I quote
    the paragraphs that included his name below. I do not see where there
    is any thing other than another person mentioning his name. If you see something encriminating there, please enlighten us.

    page 93
    That same day, Solomon responded, "Page is neither confirming nor
    denying." Fritsch replied "call adam schiff or difi [in context, Sen.
    Diane Feinstein] for that matter. i bet they are concerned about what
    page was doing other than giving a speech over 3 days in moscow.

    page 227
    GP = George Papadopoulos
    GP:
    No-Even the guy the Congressman who's like focusing the Committee
    today.... Adam Schiff 'cuz I was watching him after breakfast and he's
    like if people met with them or are doing business in Russia that's not
    a crime. The crime that we are looking into is ifthere was like
    collusion. Which like I said that would be [expletive] nuts. But, I
    don't believe it.

    page 281
    University-I Researcher-3 said he responded by saying that it would be inappropriate for a public university to do that, and he suggested they
    contact DARPA. University-I Researcher-3 told investigators that Reed
    Staffer-2 then said, "We are now in charge," and one of the HPSCI
    staffers said that their boss (Congressman Adam Schiff) would soon take
    over leadership of HPSCI. 1627 University-I Researcher-3 took the
    comment as a mild threat. University-I Researcher-3 said he then
    "dragged" University-I Researcher-2 out of the meeting. University-I Researcher-2 similarly recalled that University-I Researcher-3 had
    quickly ended the meeting. 1628 University-! Researcher-3 told
    investigators that he told University-! Researcher-2, "Don't touch this
    with a ten foot pole, stay away from this." 1629 University-I
    Researcher-3 said he had no recollection of University-I Researcher-2 mentioning the work and research he (University-I Researcher-2) already
    had done at University-I regarding the Alfa Bank-related allegations.
    1630
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Fri May 26 02:21:02 2023
    On 05-25-23 10:04, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Durham Report explai <=-

    Adam Schift maybe in the process of being removed, I personally don't support this, none the less it may have traction. The same
    congress woman who started, requested, his removal has also
    requested a $16,000,000.00 sanction be levied to Mr. Schift
    his involvement with this Russia Russia business...

    Was that a motion filed by Luna (R-FL)? Did it get any traction?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Fri May 26 02:32:04 2023
    On 05-25-23 10:45, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Durham Report explai <=-

    Where does the Duram report show any involvement by Adam Schiff? Page number please.

    Page 227

    You seem to have the same page numbers that I do -- but we do not agree
    on their meaning. I quoted the same paragraphs in another message.

    Adam Schiff was mentioned a few times in the report. The report said

    Exactly -- he was mentioned as another person -- full stop.

    In the above quoted sections of the report Adam Schiff's
    staff were intimidating researchers into the topic ... This
    was one of the things mention in the letters to have him
    removed.

    Two points -- first, the researchers felt as they were intimidated, but
    I don't see that there is much justification for their feeling, and
    second it was not Adam Shiff who was involved.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Fri May 26 02:40:06 2023
    On 05-25-23 14:35, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Recent history... recall back in the day when the Democrats lowered
    the threshold for 60 to simple majority to cram through some
    Obama appointees... remember?? and what did we say then...
    don't do it because someday you won't be in power and you
    might regret it.... and then you changed the rules to
    appoint federal Judges from a 60 vote to simple majority...
    and we said don't do that because someday you won't be in
    power and you may regret it...

    Well then the GOP changed the rules, as per the Democrats
    prior actions, we lowered the threshold for Justices and we
    crammed in 3 conservative justices... remember how pissed
    y'all were...

    Think more about the reasons for that displeasure. The Senate (i.e.
    Mitch McConnell) denied Obama to even bring a nominee to a vote for
    almost a year. But then Trump rammed through a nominee only several
    weeks before his term expired.

    Had normal procedure would have been followed, Obama would have gotten a nominee, Trump would have gotten only one nominee and the Biden would
    have gotten the third one.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 02:46:00 2023
    Who tabled that? I haven't heard of this though it sounds like a MTG
    stunt.

    Good luck with that!

    Anna Paulina Luna, from my home state of Florida... This is getting traction...

    Is it? I still haven't seen it. I haven't gone looking for it either.

    Is this what's happening in your right wing bubble?

    Recent history... recall back in the day when the Democrats lowered the threshold for 60 to simple majority to cram through some Obama appointees... remember?? and what did we say then... don't do it because someday you won't be in power and you might regret it.... and then you changed the rules to appoint federal Judges from a 60 vote to simple majority... and we said don't do that because someday you won't be in power and you may regret it...

    I thought we were talking about the debt ceiling?

    Well then the GOP changed the rules, as per the Democrats prior actions, we lowered the threshold for Justices and we crammed in 3 conservative justices.. remember how pissed y'all were...

    We know that you don't like Joe Biden and/or the democrats but we are talking about the paying the debt.

    Keep it up!!!! Someday you won't be in power...

    I am not in power, never was and never will be.

    The bill has arrived for your debt. Pay it.

    This is not some surprise that arrived in the mail. Pay your bills or your credit rating flops.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 14:33:56 2023
    Hello Joe,

    [..]

    Every single time the debt celling was raised it was done by congress and was negotiated with the WH, every time.

    That must have been some negotiating - three times - between
    the Congress and Donald Trump - each time raising the debt ceiling
    rather than rescinding Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy program.

    GOP is simply saying, we'll raise the debt celling but you'll have to cut back a little on your discretionary spending.... like... stop leaving $80 BILLION dollars in military equipment to our enemy, ISIS.

    "We'll give you everything you want, Mr. President. Including your
    wish to continue your tax cuts for the wealthy program forever and
    ever ..."

    The US can't just print money forever willy nilly... Congress needs to pass
    a budget and the WH needs to suck it up...

    Amendment XIV, Section 4

    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized
    by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bouties
    for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion shall not be
    questioned.

    My, my. Just think of what would happen if and when President Biden
    decides to cite the 14th Amendment ...

    For Life,
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 26 14:34:03 2023
    Hello Alan,

    Congress is, or has, tabled a $16,000.000.00 sanction against Schift...
    Even if he does get booted out be said he's running for senate in 2024...
    He'll more than likely get the seat because of his loyalty the Deep State.

    Who tabled that? I haven't heard of this though it sounds like a MTG stunt.

    US Rep. Shiff announced his candidacy for US Senate quite some time
    ago. Not long afterward, US Senator Feinstein announced her decision
    not to run for re-election.

    Good luck with that!

    I am sure 89 year-old Feinstein ia looking forward to spending more
    time with her great-great-grandchildren upon her retirement from the
    US Senate.

    Adam schiff never held the economy hostage. If Keven McCarthy doesn't
    change course he (and his GOP supporters) are going to tank the economy.

    It'll be an American first.

    It's not an American first...

    It would be an American first, the US have never (for very good reasons) defaulted.

    The full faith and credit of the US Treasury will never be the same
    once it defaults. Which seems more and more likely with each passing
    day.

    There's a thing called the constitution...
    Constitution says ....

    Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 contains two clauses: The Appropriations
    Clause
    and the Statement and Accounts Clause: "No Money shall be drawn from the
    Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular
    Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money
    shall be published from time to time."

    I am not sure what you are quoting there but the constitution also says this.

    "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

    The above is simple and clear.

    Jesus H. Christ! Do you realize what that means? President Biden
    can cite the 14th Amendment, reminding the entire Congress as to who
    is really boss! Specifically Section 4 of said amendment. Speaker
    McCarthy will not like that one bit! And neither will MAGA nutjobs!

    Every single time the debt celling was raised it was done by congress and
    was
    negotiated with the WH, every time. GOP is simply saying, we'll raise the
    debt celling but you'll have to cut back a little on your discretionary
    spending...

    The debt ceiling is about paying debts that the US government owes.

    Oh, relax. The Congress kicked the can for another day, three times,
    when Donald Trump was pretending to be POTUS. Never even giving it a
    thought to rescind his tax cuts for the wealthy program. How much
    debt was incurred as a result of that massive blunder?

    It is not about new debt or spending. Congress does and is welcome to consider spending at all times and adjust as needed. That is not what is happening here. Congress needs to pay this debt as it always has, or ...

    The GOP is holding the economy hostage.

    The Congress does not spend money. It appropriates funds.
    The President can call them on the error of their ways anytime
    he wants by citing Amendment XIV. Specifically Section 4.

    [..]

    The US can't just print money forever willy nilly... Congress needs to pass
    a budget and the WH needs to suck it up...

    This is not about printing money, it is about paying the debt that congress
    has already spent.

    Please. Let's not confuse the poor guy. At least not yet.

    For Life,
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Fri May 26 08:13:50 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Was that a motion filed by Luna (R-FL)? Did it get any traction?


    Yes sir... Looks like it may.. I just think they should wait for his term to be up and let the voters decide... I'm okay with the proposed $16,000,000.00 sanction though.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Fri May 26 08:36:50 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Two points -- first, the researchers felt as they were intimidated, but
    I don't see that there is much justification for their feeling, and
    second it was not Adam Shiff who was involved.


    It's simple.... you weren't there... They felt intimidated they felt intimidated... Schiff was on the news daily propagating a lie... He told the views of the news stations that he saw the evidence that Trump was involved with Russia... and it was found out to be a hokes and that there was no evidence.

    If California voted this idiot in, let him stay... Let a bipartisan investigation got forward on the sanction side and if something materializes then it does.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Fri May 26 08:43:06 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Think more about the reasons for that displeasure. The Senate (i.e.
    Mitch McConnell) denied Obama to even bring a nominee to a vote for
    almost a year. But then Trump rammed through a nominee only several
    weeks before his term expired.

    Had normal procedure would have been followed, Obama would have gotten a nominee, Trump would have gotten only one nominee and the Biden would
    have gotten the third one.


    That's true... and it started with the Democrats changing rules to cram Obama's appointees and federal judges.... They were told not to do it because someday they won't be in power and they may regret it. And there was a day they weren't in power and the GOP played the democrats rules and won the day...

    You seriously cannot stand by and watch the democrats play dirty and have nothing to say... and when the GOP play by their, the democrats rules, you call foul.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 26 08:51:33 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Is it? I still haven't seen it. I haven't gone looking for it either.

    Is this what's happening in your right wing bubble?


    I think you might be retarded... This is going on in the house as we speak.. The Speaker of the House may be putting it to a full vote.


    We know that you don't like Joe Biden and/or the democrats but we are talking about the paying the debt.

    And it'll get paid... The GOP has said they'll raise the celling but there will have to be a review of the discretionary spending... That's it... Democrats want to spend like a drunken sailor... GOP says spend money like a sailor who's just had a few...


    This is not some surprise that arrived in the mail. Pay your bills or
    your credit rating flops.


    I don't recall your outrage on debt celling talks that happen with every-other president... Democrats busted Trump's balls. The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump actively negotiated with the Democrats, where as Biden has no clue he's in Washington DC.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 26 09:19:14 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    That must have been some negotiating - three times - between
    the Congress and Donald Trump - each time raising the debt ceiling
    rather than rescinding Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy program.


    That's a lie... Here's a snipped from an article from The Hill...

    "Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law, with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued."

    Trump cut everyone's taxes and the Trump economic boom was considered a bottom up one where the the lower class felt it more than the upper class did.
    This is why he has a loyal following. There has been no-one ever come out and say... I love my country, I love the citizens of this wonderful nation and I'll fight for you and protect you.... And he started... renegotiated trade deals... questioned nonstop wars... questioned payments to other countries and started shaping the country back to a its roots, a constitutional republic.

    Amendment XIV, Section 4

    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized
    by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bouties
    for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion shall not be questioned.

    My, my. Just think of what would happen if and when President Biden decides to cite the 14th Amendment ...


    I was trying to recall who it was that I listen to on this topic and I figured it out... You are quoting one of the amendments that happened after the Civil war... During reconstruction... where the president needed some discretion as to how to rebuild and unify the country. It had nothing to do with what EVERY president has done since the beginning of country... they worked with congress, where the power of the purse lays and make a deal.

    Here is a video from Mark Levin... a constitutional expert who talks on this exact topic.
    https://youtu.be/Dd6l-Hj5wj4

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Fri May 26 10:33:00 2023
    Perhaps you have a different version of the report. The only mention of
    Adam Schiff's name that I found were on pages 93, 227 and 281. I quote
    the paragraphs that included his name below. I do not see where there
    is any thing other than another person mentioning his name. If you see something encriminating there, please enlighten us.

    Good grief, what you quoted is difficult to read. At first, I thought the first person to post it butchered it, but you have confirmed that those sections are indeed difficult to follow.

    A+ to you both for even finding Schiff's name in that jumbled mess,
    regardless of what it does or does not prove.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 12:13:58 2023
    Is it? I still haven't seen it. I haven't gone looking for it either.

    Is this what's happening in your right wing bubble?

    I think you might be retarded... This is going on in the house as we speak.. The Speaker of the House may be putting it to a full vote.

    I still doen't see it although I still haven't gone looking for it.

    I did see a shout out to the MAGA base from the leader of the Russian Federation but nothing about this.

    It's a good thing I have you to point these things out to me!

    We know that you don't like Joe Biden and/or the democrats but we are
    talking about the paying the debt.

    And it'll get paid... The GOP has said they'll raise the celling but there wilL have to be a review of the discretionary spending... That's it... Democrats want to spend like a drunken sailor... GOP says spend money like a sailor who's just had a few...

    Oh, I see, there are looking it!

    This is not some surprise that arrived in the mail. Pay your bills or
    your credit rating flops.

    I don't recall your outrage on debt celling talks that happen with every-other president... Democrats busted Trump's balls. The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump actively negotiated with the Democrats, where as Biden has no clue he's in Washington DC.

    Trump doesn't negotiate, he's a dictator.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 26 16:18:19 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    I still doen't see it although I still haven't gone looking for it.


    Here's a post from today I think... Next News Network Pointing out Schiff's troubles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyKM9WMQiw&list=WL&index=2&t=293s

    Highlights his lies for years... He saw the evidence himself, there was no evidence and it it was all a lie.

    It talks about Anna Lunu setting the stage for a vote, talks on the floor of the house and I guess there is a pending vote against Mr. Schiff.


    Trump doesn't negotiate, he's a dictator.


    The Art of The Deal...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Fri May 26 16:23:28 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    A+ to you both for even finding Schiff's name in that jumbled mess, regardless of what it does or does not prove.


    Thank you for the A+. The original question was what page was Adam Schiff referred in the Durham report, and there were 3 locations... It's a public document... like no one could search it and find his name.

    Currently the news is talking about him being mention in the report as well... But they still claim he wasn't mentioned.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat May 27 02:33:50 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Pages 96, 233 and page 291

    WOW! He does know how to make a global search on a PDF file!

    But does he know how to read any of the three (3) hits of the name? Of course not, if you read and understand it, it's all -- as usual -- just hearsay.

    Hearsay is not evidence.

    You know, this reminds me of the difference between cooking a meal all by yourself, as opposed to just micro that frozen dinner at 750W for six minutes.

    I microwaved a live crawfish one time. It actually survived for
    quite awhile. But was still inedible, and so I had to smash it and
    throw it away. Don't tell PETA.

    The first cook knows exactly what goes into the dish, the second one has no idea -- even in the unlikely scenario that he read past the 750W/6 minutes, and come down to the ingredients, he still has no idea what he is stuffing his body with.

    This cooking method is not limited to MAGA nutjobs.

    The same goes with getting your facts right. Either you do your own search and evaluation, or you settle for ready made shite from a favourite "news" outlet, like TRUTH Social.

    Facts? What are facts? They are whatever one wants to make them
    out to be. Don't believe me? Just listen to Donald Trump. He is
    the master.

    The Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell, this is how some people try to
    appear smarter than they'll ever be.

    Please. Björn. You're making my head hurt. Just think of what
    you are doing to the brains of MAGA nutjobs. So please. Have mercy
    on them. Remember, I can handle it, keeping myself in shape, by
    swimming with alligators. Not sure if there are any alligators in
    NYC - even in the sewers and waterways. Or Mar-a-Lago, where the
    biggest alligator of them all resides.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 27 02:35:06 2023
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    I am not in power, never was and never will be.

    Well, it has been a while since Canadians invaded the USA ...

    The bill has arrived for your debt. Pay it.

    The "validity of the public debt" of the US "authorized by law ...
    shall not be questioned." ~XIV Amendment, Section 4

    Canadians reading the US Constitution are dangerous ...

    This is not some surprise that arrived in the mail. Pay your bills or your credit rating flops.

    Trump goaded the Congress to raise the debt ceiling - three times.
    Without ever even thinking about having them rescind his tax cuts for
    the wealthy program.

    And now he has his MAGA nutjobs wanting to tank the economy.
    Through Speaker McCarthy's leadership, as he has other things
    to do at the moment.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sat May 27 02:35:14 2023
    Hello Joe,

    What charges have been filed against Hillary Clinton?
    What charges have been filed against Hunter Biden?
    What charges have been filed against other Republicans'
    perceived enemies?

    I don't think you get it... no charges will be brought...

    Whatever gave you that clue? Could it be John Durham's inability
    to have done so? No matter how hard he tried, how hard he huffed and
    puffed, he just couldn't do it.

    The Deep State will protect the ruling class.

    Keep drinking your Kool-Aid.

    I did say... if they don't find Joe useful any more he'll go down pretty hard.

    Nobody cares what you and your loony tune MAGA nutjobs say or think.
    The fact remains that NONE of your perceived enemies have been charged
    with a damned thing. That is a FACT - whether you like it, or not.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 20:39:00 2023
    On 26 May 2023, IB Joe said the following...

    On 26 May 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    A+ to you both for even finding Schiff's name in that jumbled mess, regardless of what it does or does not prove.


    Thank you for the A+. The original question was what page was Adam
    Schiff referred in the Durham report, and there were 3 locations...
    It's a public document... like no one could search it and find his name.
    I had the same issue with pdf viewer within the browser and even download adobe pdf viewer the find option would not function.
    I do have Microsoft Office I had to have word convert the document and then I was able find references of Adam Schiff.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri May 26 18:02:18 2023
    Here's a post from today I think... Next News Network Pointing out Schiff's troubles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyKM9WMQiw&list=WL&index=2&t=293s

    Sponsored by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    That explains why it's not in the news!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Sat May 27 00:48:02 2023
    On 05-26-23 10:33, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Durham Report explai <=-

    Good grief, what you quoted is difficult to read. At first, I thought
    the first person to post it butchered it, but you have confirmed that those sections are indeed difficult to follow.

    Very true.

    A+ to you both for even finding Schiff's name in that jumbled mess, regardless of what it does or does not prove.

    CTRL-F helps a lot.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sat May 27 09:09:52 2023
    On 27 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    I don't think you get it... no charges will be brought...

    Whatever gave you that clue? Could it be John Durham's inability
    to have done so? No matter how hard he tried, how hard he huffed and puffed, he just couldn't do it.


    No, I just see the system and being rigged... There is something sinister afoot and there is nothing a can do to change things.
    Just because charges are brought, or not brought, doesn't change the bad thing the US went through because of this Russia Hokes.

    BTW, Durham is going to testify soon in front of congress...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Gregory Deyss on Sat May 27 09:13:10 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    I had the same issue with pdf viewer within the browser and even
    download adobe pdf viewer the find option would not function.
    I do have Microsoft Office I had to have word convert the document and then I was able find references of Adam Schiff.


    Looks like Durham is going in front of congress soon... and it looks like there may be a vote to expel Schiff and sanction him the $16,000.000.00. This would be a start at finding some accountability.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 27 09:17:38 2023
    On 26 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyKM9WMQiw&list=WL&index=2&t=293s

    Sponsored by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    That explains why it's not in the news!


    They showed evidence and facts that could be supported by even CNN...

    Who cares about a sponsor... BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a big discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout the continental US as well.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sat May 27 10:08:26 2023
    That explains why it's not in the news!

    They showed evidence and facts that could be supported by even CNN...

    Mike Lindell has been showing his evidence and facts for years.

    Who cares about a sponsor...

    It's important to know that this is not news, it's sponsored (engineered) by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a big discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout the continental US as well.

    I have no issue with his pillows. They could be great, I don't know.

    I have an issue with the fake news and fake issues.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to IB Joe on Sat May 27 19:37:48 2023
    On 27 May 2023, IB Joe said the following...

    On 26 May 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    I had the same issue with pdf viewer within the browser and even download adobe pdf viewer the find option would not function.
    I do have Microsoft Office I had to have word convert the document and
    then I was able find references of Adam Schiff.


    Looks like Durham is going in front of congress soon... and it looks
    like there may be a vote to expel Schiff and sanction him the $16,000.000.00. This would be a start at finding some accountability.

    That would be amazing, and this reprobate Adam pencil-neck Schiff gets what he has coming to him for the smug and arrogant behavior, not to mention for lying to the American people. This weasel almost made me buy a new TV, as I almost put my fist through it when this smug S.O.B. was on.

    I hope Florida Rep Anna Paulina Luna gets the 218 votes that is needed.

    "Extremely Troublesome "Severe Reputational Harm"
    "Failed to uphold...Strict Fidelity of Law"
    "Rushed to Investigate Trump"
    "Should not have gone as far as opening a full probe"
    "Un-vetted Hearsay"
    "Did not have [any actual evidence of collusion]"

    Did not do basics
    1 Did not review U.S. Intel database before launch
    2 Wiretapped Trump Aide Cater Page based on Dem-funded Steele Dossier"
    3 FBI Official Peter Strzok pronounced hostile feelings toward Trump"
    4 FBI more deferential to Clinton then to Trump by opening a preliminary probe"

    These people need to be swiftly and absolutely CRUSHED, without any apology.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to IB Joe on Sat May 27 20:14:05 2023
    On 27 May 2023, IB Joe said the following...

    On 26 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyKM9WMQiw&list=WL&index=2&t=293s

    Sponsored by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    That explains why it's not in the news!


    They showed evidence and facts that could be supported by even CNN...
    Alan, won't tell us how CNN was pushing the Trump-Russia narrative which turned out to be Fake News.. Now it's the FBI and the DOJ and CNN and pMSNBC including that smug witch on CBS nightly news and others will cover for these demons too. There ain't a side of the tracks more wrong than under 'em.
    The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 27 20:18:22 2023
    On 27 May 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    That explains why it's not in the news!
    They showed evidence and facts that could be supported by even CNN...
    Mike Lindell has been showing his evidence and facts for years.
    Who cares about a sponsor...

    It's important to know that this is not news, it's sponsored
    (engineered) by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a big discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout the continental US as well.
    No No, Alan pays twice the retail price. Liberals spend other peoples money,
    so its fine. Right Alan?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sun May 28 03:32:37 2023
    Hello Joe,

    I don't think you get it... no charges will be brought...

    Whatever gave you that clue? Could it be John Durham's inability
    to have done so? No matter how hard he tried, how hard he huffed and
    puffed, he just couldn't do it.


    No, I just see the system and being rigged... There is something sinister afoot and there is nothing a can do to change things.

    Speaker McCarthy can do many things.

    Just because charges are brought, or not brought, doesn't change the bad thing the US went through because of this Russia Hokes.

    So when is Speaker McCarthy and his Republican majority House
    going to expel George Santos?

    BTW, Durham is going to testify soon in front of congress...

    Speaker McCarthy can do many things ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sun May 28 03:32:56 2023
    Hello Joe,

    I had the same issue with pdf viewer within the browser and even
    download adobe pdf viewer the find option would not function.
    I do have Microsoft Office I had to have word convert the document and
    then I was able find references of Adam Schiff.

    Here's a hint - Highlight a word and choose Look Up.

    Looks like Durham is going in front of congress soon... and it looks like there may be a vote to expel Schiff and sanction him the $16,000.000.00. This would be a start at finding some accountability.

    Please tell us when the Congress will expel George Santos, who
    is facing criminal charges and will be carted off to the pen in
    the near future.

    No charges filed against Republicans' perceived enemies. That is the
    summation of the Durham Report.

    But plenty of charges filed against George Santos. Not even Speaker
    McCarthy can protect him from being convicted and sentenced to spend
    years (or decades) in the pen.

    Now what are those charges against Hillary Clinton?
    What are those charges against Hunter Biden?
    What are those charges against other perceived enemies?

    Oh. Just lock her up. And lock him up. And lock everybody else up.
    No charges necessary. That is The Republican Way.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Sat May 27 19:49:58 2023
    BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a big
    discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout the
    continental US as well.

    No No, Alan pays twice the retail price.

    I never bought and pillows from the pillow guy.

    Liberals spend other peoples money, so its fine. Right Alan?

    No, that is a false right wing talking point.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun May 28 10:40:16 2023
    Liberals spend other peoples money, so its fine.

    So, how do you classify the TCJC $1.9T that the GOP spent in 2017, if not spending other peoples money to enrich the already mega-rich?

    When did the GOP ever spend any of the $7.8T that they raised the US debt with during the four Trump years, on other people than themselves and their donors?


    --
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    ..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun May 28 16:42:10 2023
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    I hope Florida Rep Anna Paulina Luna gets the 218 votes that is needed.

    Speaker McCarthy was not able to come up with the 218 votes that he
    needs to get rid of George Santos, who has been charged with multiple
    criminal acts that will have him sent to prison for a very long time.

    What charges were filed against Adam Schiff? Must have been the
    same charges filed against Hillary Clinton. And Hunter Biden. And
    so many other Republicans' perceived enemies.

    [..]

    These people need to be swiftly and absolutely CRUSHED, without any apology.

    You are sounding like a broken record. Or maybe it is your record
    player that is broken? In any event, Durham found nothing. And nobody
    else has, either.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun May 28 16:42:23 2023
    Hello Greg,

    That explains why it's not in the news!
    They showed evidence and facts that could be supported by even
    CNN...
    Mike Lindell has been showing his evidence and facts for years.
    Who cares about a sponsor...

    It's important to know that this is not news, it's sponsored
    (engineered) by Mike (the pillow guy) Lindell.

    BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a
    big
    discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout
    the
    continental US as well.

    No No, Alan pays twice the retail price. Liberals spend other peoples money,
    so its fine. Right Alan?

    I have said this many times. In this very forum. And I promise you,
    this is not my original idea. Somebody else said it first (I think it
    was Jesus).

    So I will tell you again, as you (and others) have forgotten -

    If you want to make money, you have to spend money. Preferably
    other people's money.

    With that idea in mind, you can become a very wealthy man/woman/trans.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sun May 28 10:46:55 2023
    On 28 May 2023, Björn Felten said the following...

    Liberals spend other peoples money, so its fine.

    So, how do you classify the TCJC $1.9T that the GOP spent in 2017, if not spending other peoples money to enrich the already mega-rich?

    Are you referring to the TCJA?

    Source of Truth: Yahoo! Finance one of the most liberal bias sites on the net. but hey the truth is the truth that [even they] can not deny.
    Website: https://tinyurl.com/2p88zcrf

    At the time where Biden was still considered to be the Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden often talks about repealing President Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, claiming in a recent town hall that about $1.3 trillion of the $2 trillion of the tax cuts went to the top 1/10th of 1 percent of earners. But did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) disproportionately benefit high earners? Comparing the income tax data for 2017 (the year before the TCJA became law) with 2018, clearly demonstrates that it did not.

    According to the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, the TCJA reduced effective tax rates for all income groups in 2018. Because we have a progressive tax system, high earners pay the highest rates and received the largest rate reductions. However, lowering rates for a group of taxpayers does not necessarily reduce their share of the tax burden.

    When did the GOP ever spend any of the $7.8T that they raised the US
    debt with during the four Trump years, on other people than themselves
    and their donors?

    You're asking the wrong question, because your purposefully making this about a system that does not exist. There is no classification or differential treatment towards those who have the ability to donate to a political campaign v.s. those who do not have the ability or those who wish not to donate.
    You're on the outside looking into a something you can not possibly
    understand and therefore can not in anyway appreciate.

    Conservatives do not see groups or victims. We want everyone to succeed.
    The tired charge that WE Conservatives are racist, sexist, bigot, homophob does not exist within us, again we want everyone to succeed.

    Why?
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    That's why.
    Everyone is given the same opportunity to be the best he or she can be.

    Why is it then, there are so many downtrodden in urban cities?
    The answer to this question can be found in several segments of explanation.

    1. Take a look at these urban centers and who is in power. Democrats.
    They tell people, we will take care of you, just vote for us, and nothing ever changes.

    2. Take at look at broken families. No Dad is found within many of these households or the the family unit, he is too busy splashing his seed into as many women as he can find, in some kind of personal conquest.
    Planned Parenthood is where many end up to have an abortion, and the cycle just keeps repeating.

    3. Take a look at education.
    to my point
    https://tinyurl.com/mr2nfxzs

    3. The culture is one of the most poisonous characteristics within these urban areas they are real disgusting cess pools filled with filth at every corner. Trash in the streets, including broken glass on the streets and sidewalks. You simply do not see this kind of disregarding piggish behavior in the country rural areas. This is from a personal account of what is.

    4 Black on Black crime is very real, visit the South Side of Chicago. **
    Warning ** Take a good hard look at your homeland, it is quite possible that you will never see it again if you visit this gang banger - do what you wanna do, free from law and order place called South Side of Chicago.

    4A The music (or the so called music) is filled with profanity, anger, rage
    and aggression, it's no wonder these people are so screwed up.

    Btw, it in no way makes me a bigot, if I am simply pointing out facts.

    ** Warning ** Take a good hard look at your homeland, it is quite possible
    that you will never see it again if you visit this gang banger do what you wanna do, free from law and order place called the South Side of Chicago.

    People who think that democratic elections are all about picking the
    right winner, are in dire need of re-education.

    What would you know about democratic elections?
    Sweden uses open lists and utilizes apparentment between lists of the same party and constituency to form a cartel, a group of lists that are legally allied for purposes of seat allocation. A single preference vote may be indicated as well. Swedish voters can choose between three different types of
    ballot papers.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Gregory Deyss on Sun May 28 12:52:14 2023
    The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

    Q: What's the difference between a consipiracy theory and the truth?
    A: Three months.

    Alan is not worth discussing anything with. He doesn't have critical
    thinking or reasoning skills and believes everything he's told by his government and Canadian media completely and without question. Even his
    fellow Canadians in Fidonet have told me this.

    Alan is so obtuse that he left my FTN network, Micronet, with no notice or explanation because he was offended by my politics. He simply didn't have
    the testicular fortitude to tell me this. I found out later though and ever since that incident, Alan's just been a communist mouthpiece. He is much
    like his country's prime minister: he runs his mouth constantly but nothing
    of substance comes out.

    I mean Pierre Trudeau was worthless but his son brings new meaning to the
    word and even then, there's debate that Justin isn't actually Fidel Castro's son, LOL.

    I put Alan into my twit filter in here so I can concentrate on real
    discussion instead of his constant pious bloviating.

    -- Sean

    ... When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sun May 28 21:26:52 2023
    Hello Alan,

    BTW, my pillow is an extremely good product and can be gotten for a big
    discount if you use their discount codes, free shipping throughout the
    continental US as well.

    No No, Alan pays twice the retail price.

    I never bought and pillows from the pillow guy.

    Me neither. A sack filled with feathers is fine by me.

    Liberals spend other peoples money, so its fine. Right Alan?

    No, that is a false right wing talking point.

    If you want to make money, you have to spend money. Preferably
    other people's money.

    There are many other ways of saying this. But it all amounts to
    the same thing. Nothing like what Greg attempted to say.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun May 28 21:27:08 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Liberals spend other peoples money, so its fine.

    So, how do you classify the TCJC $1.9T that the GOP spent in 2017, if not spending other peoples money to enrich the already mega-rich?

    You've got it all wrong, mate. The Congress (GOP) does not spend
    money, it appropriates funds. And we all know who gets those funds.

    When did the GOP ever spend any of the $7.8T that they raised the US debt with during the four Trump years, on other people than themselves and their
    donors?

    Lobbyists. You forgot all about lobbyists. How else would the GOP
    know where to send those funds?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Sean Dennis on Sun May 28 21:01:11 2023
    On 28 May 2023, Sean Dennis said the following...

    The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

    Q: What's the difference between a consipiracy theory and the truth?
    A: Three months.

    Alan is not worth discussing anything with. He doesn't have critical thinking or reasoning skills and believes everything he's told by his government and Canadian media completely and without question. Even his fellow Canadians in Fidonet have told me this.

    Yes I have gathered this for sometime now, the light is on but no one has been home for decades. Alan is not alone, there are others who are just as dense. People who think that Biden is just wonderful. They all seem to be wearing those special glasses that show the optic nerve only the positive feel good stories and yes they seem to also have hearing devices from the same manufacture; that does the same thing for the ears. I would get my money back because these people are living in a dreamworld that is completely disconnected from reality.

    I put Alan into my twit filter in here so I can concentrate on real discussion instead of his constant pious bloviating.

    It's good to hear from you Sean, Be Well.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Mon May 29 05:28:41 2023
    Hello Sean,

    The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

    Q: What's the difference between a consipiracy theory and the truth?
    A: Three months.

    Alan is not worth discussing anything with.

    The FLAME echo is no longer available in this universe.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 00:11:00 2023
    On 05-28-23 10:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Björn Felten about Re: Durham Report explain <=-

    Conservatives do not see groups or victims. We want everyone to
    succeed. The tired charge that WE Conservatives are racist, sexist, bigot, homophob does not exist within us, again we want everyone to succeed.

    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the
    ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education that
    even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich old
    white men.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon May 29 01:03:02 2023
    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education that even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich old
    white men.

    The devil is in the details. You're being very generalistic.
    Show me the bills of which you speak of. It's a kinder way of saying PUSU.

    Alternative Genders other then Boy or Girl should have no place within any house of education.
    These books that you say are being banned...
    Do you have any idea what is in these books, these are not text books from the good folks at McGraw-Hill Education in many cases these pornographic and explicit in nature, which is why they should be banned for minors.

    Here is another list of banned books https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=banned+books+in+schools+

    Banning "To Kill a Mockingbird" is ridiculous, but why, is it on the banned list because these good for nothing liberal colleges are indoctrinating students as they are making them intolerant to a book written from earlier time in history, editing existing works is now underway as well.
    Why? So they will not offend the easily offended or overly sensitive.
    Other works being modified Isaac Asimov and even Ian Fleming 007 Dumb as Fu*k

    This nation needs more testosterone, to which may I recommend https://choq.com/product-category/testosterone/

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 12:21:20 2023
    Hello Greg,

    The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

    Q: What's the difference between a consipiracy theory and the truth?
    A: Three months.

    Alan is not worth discussing anything with. He doesn't have critical
    thinking or reasoning skills and believes everything he's told by his
    government and Canadian media completely and without question. Even
    his
    fellow Canadians in Fidonet have told me this.

    Yes I have gathered this for sometime now, the light is on but no one has been home for decades. Alan is not alone, there are others who are just as
    dense.

    This is an international echo, where folks from around the world
    are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice. Maybe
    you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have to
    say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

    People who think that Biden is just wonderful.

    Dr. Jill does. As well as his dogs (who are also very loyal).
    And everybody knows he trounced the orange one by over 7 million
    votes in the last election ...

    They all seem to be wearing those special glasses that show the optic nerve
    only the positive feel good stories and yes they seem to also have hearing devices from the same manufacture; that does
    ?the same thing for the ears. I would get my money back because
    these people are living in a dreamworld that is completely disconnected from
    reality.

    Joe Cool is who he is. And people love him for it.

    I put Alan into my twit filter in here so I can concentrate on real
    discussion instead of his constant pious bloviating.

    It's good to hear from you Sean, Be Well.

    He thinks this is the FLAME echo. And maybe it is, come to think
    of it. After all, there is no real moderator. And there are no real
    rules ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon May 29 15:25:50 2023
    Hello Dale,

    Conservatives do not see groups or victims. We want everyone to
    succeed. The tired charge that WE Conservatives are racist, sexist,
    bigot, homophob does not exist within us, again we want everyone to
    succeed.

    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education that even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich old
    white men.

    While your statement is basically correct, there are exceptions.
    Such as this one glaring example -

    In Louisiana, a Senate GOP-controlled panel killed a bill banning
    trans youth health care. The GOP Senator (Fred Mills) who killed it
    is proud of what he did, casting the decisive vote - saying he has
    no regrets - "I think these guys are just trying to practice medicine
    as legislators."

    He went on to say "We're going to legislate (a few dozen) people who
    need this medication? This is ridiculous. The statistics show this is
    not a problem."

    source: The Advocate, May 26, 2023

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 15:25:55 2023
    Hello Greg,

    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP
    controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the
    ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education that
    even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich old
    white men.

    The devil is in the details. You're being very generalistic.
    Show me the bills of which you speak of. It's a kinder way of saying PUSU.

    What Dale S is saying is essentially correct. In almost all cases.

    Alternative Genders other then Boy or Girl should have no place within any house of education.

    In Louisiana, a GOP-controlled Senate panel failed to ban
    gender-affirming health care for transgender youth. Such attempts
    to limit access to transgender health care had been filed in
    Louisiana before, but this latest attempt got more traction because
    the national Republican Party was insisting its lackeys in Louisiana
    get on board by passing such discriminatory acts.

    But hey. Thanks for showing your true colors. Now we can do away
    with the Boy Scouts and Girl Scounts by calling everybody Scouts -
    regardless of gender.

    These books that you say are being banned...

    The GOP wants to become our "morality police" - the same as
    what the ayatollahs have placed in Iran.

    Do you have any idea what is in these books, these are not text books from the good folks at McGraw-Hill Education in many cases these pornographic and explicit in nature, which is why they should be banned for minors.

    Fahrenheit 451 is a fiction novel written by Ray Bradbury.
    It was banned in many places. And still is, in some parts, due
    to GOP censorship.

    Here is another list of banned books https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=banned+books+in+schools+


    What do you want to do? Send in firefighters to burn them all?

    Banning "To Kill a Mockingbird" is ridiculous, but why, is it on the banned
    list because these good for nothing liberal colleges are indoctrinating students as they are making them intolerant to a book written from earlier time in history, editing existing works is now underway as well.
    Why? So they will not offend the easily offended or overly sensitive. Other works being modified Isaac Asimov and even Ian Fleming 007 Dumb as Fu*k

    Public libraries are owned by the public, and library boards screen
    books before adding them to the collection, placing them in appropriate categories. You will not find girlie magazines in any public library.
    At least none that I know of.

    But the GOP wants to decide which books people should be allowed
    to read, and which books should not. Those libraries or library systems
    that refuse to comply would then be denied public funds. And then
    claim that people have the right to choose.

    This nation needs more testosterone, to which may I recommend

    Marjorie Greene looks bad enough on steroids ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon May 29 10:04:04 2023
    This is an international echo, where folks from around the world
    are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice. Maybe
    you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have to
    say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

    "You ain't nothin' but a couyon!"
    This coming from someone (you) who is not even nodelisted. Bless your heart. Maybe you should head over yonder and take a gander look-see at Policy 4
    https://www.fidonet.org/policy4.txt
    as per Policy 4.07 document of June 9th 1989

    1.0 Language

    The official language of FidoNet is English. All documents must exist in English. Translation into other languages is encouraged.

    Dr. Jill does. As well as his dogs (who are also very loyal).
    And everybody knows he trounced the orange one by over 7 million
    votes in the last election ...
    'Jill baby' might be into Joe for the $money$ and definitely not for the ride. I can see it now, Joe punching himself in his own crotch,
    gasping "wake up dam it, c'mon man." Then as he bends down a slow and creepy whisper escapes his lips "for real, stop being a dog-faced pony soldier."

    I would wager w/ his dogs there is plenty tilting of the heads w /confusion.

    He thinks this is the FLAME echo. And maybe it is, come to think
    of it. After all, there is no real moderator. And there are no real
    rules ...
    As I said before your not even nodelisted.
    So Don't be worrying your gumbo head about Sean.
    You're so far down from his level of greatness, just fuggedaboutit.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 09:44:10 2023
    On 27 May 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    I hope Florida Rep Anna Paulina Luna gets the 218 votes that is needed.


    They may have the votes... and it maybe going forward. Durham is suppose to be in front of congress soon to testify... I'd like to hear what he has to say!!

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon May 29 10:36:00 2023
    This is not about sides. This money has already been spent, the bills have >> arrived and it's due now.

    Again, why did they spend money they didn't have?

    That's what govt's do. The collect revenue and they spend it on the nations in
    rests.

    Governments should spend money they don't have, and don't have the revenue streams to cover.

    US STATE governments cannot do this. They have to cover the debts.

    At the end of the month the bills arrive and they need to be paid.

    With money from where? Not revenue streams, since it is DEBT that they
    have BORROWED.

    When you go deeply into debt, does the bank allow you to keep borrowing and spending?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Mon May 29 10:35:00 2023
    I think you might be retarded...

    At the very least, not very attentive for someone who spouts off so many opinions as facts.

    And it'll get paid... The GOP has said they'll raise the celling but there wil
    have to be a review of the discretionary spending... That's it... Democrats w
    t to spend like a drunken sailor... GOP says spend money like a sailor who's j
    t had a few...

    He does not seem to understand the negotiation process that is going on...
    "we will pay this debt if you stop spending so much and putting us in
    (more) debt..." He is not able to make the connection between the two.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Mon May 29 10:35:00 2023
    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the
    ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education that
    even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich old
    white men. ^^^^^^^^^^

    I am generally against this, but I have also seen illustrations from some
    of the books in question. I see this as "every action has an opposite reaction." If dumbasses on the left were not so dead-set on having books
    in school libraries that, for example, graphically depict oral sex between two underaged males, this wouldn't be happening. Graphically, in this case, means illustrated.

    But since they decided to stupidly push an unrealistic envelope, an equally stupid reaction is taking place.

    If they want their own kids to have access to such books, that is what book stores and online retailers are for. I am sure that Target or several
    other retailers, would be glad to sell them (and the kids) such books.
    Instead, they had to have them in schools where any underaged kids could
    find and read them. So now we have dangerous precidents being set with book banning.

    If you try to explain that to a leftist moron who wanted such things in the schools, they won't understand. If it was oral sex between an underaged
    male and underaged female, most of them would call it out for being the pornography that it is.

    They also won't understand that, thanks to them, there are several more harmless books that are gone from schools and that even "used" retailers
    like eBay won't allow to be sold.

    So, IMHO, they asked for it. :(


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 09:47:32 2023
    On 27 May 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

    than under 'em. The truth will find its way to the surface, always does.

    I agree... if it wasn't for the slow methodical drip drip drip of the truth we wouldn't know some of the evil that is being perpetrated on us...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Mon May 29 09:48:56 2023
    On 28 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    Speaker McCarthy can do many things.


    Yes, like lead us out of a crisis and to a resolution...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon May 29 10:01:54 2023
    On 29 May 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    He does not seem to understand the negotiation process that is going
    on... "we will pay this debt if you stop spending so much and putting us in (more) debt..." He is not able to make the connection between the
    two.


    What did we learn from the Twitter buyout ... we learned that you can fire ~80% of your staff and still run a company ... Washington should take note...

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon May 29 11:41:36 2023
    That's what govt's do. The collect revenue and they spend it on the nations >> in rests.

    Governments should spend money they don't have, and don't have the revenue streams to cover.

    Is that so?

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Gregory Deyss on Mon May 29 19:19:00 2023
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I would get my money back because these people are
    living in a dreamworld that is completely disconnected from
    reality.

    I just think that these people have their heads so far up their rectums that they've cut off all oxygen to their brains.

    I chuckle at the fact that a lot of non-Americans in here think they can pontificate about American politics believing what their mainstream media
    tells them which is normally wholesale fabrications. Especially with the Canadians who evidently don't realize their country is not only dependent on the US but, from what I can see here and talking to other non-woke, non-communist Canadians who tell me their country is in worse shape. I'd
    say so since Canada is being run by a tinpot dictator who likes to run
    around in blackface bloviating and virtue signaling to the world.

    It's good to hear from you Sean, Be Well.

    Thanks, it's good to be back.

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Powell on Mon May 29 19:31:06 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to IB JOE <=-

    He does not seem to understand the negotiation process that is going
    on... "we will pay this debt if you stop spending so much and putting
    us in (more) debt..." He is not able to make the connection between
    the two.

    Alan is Canadian. No matter how he pretends to know US politics, he has no clue. I don't pretend to know everything about Canadian politics (to me, an insider, it looks pretty much like a dictatorship, just like the US right
    now). That is why I twitted him. Ignorance is no excuse for an arguement.

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to IB Joe on Mon May 29 19:36:08 2023
    IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    What did we learn from the Twitter buyout ... we learned
    that you can fire ~80% of your staff and still run a
    company ... Washington should take note...

    Congress is a voter-endorsed prison. So many career criminals like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer (sp?), Mitch McConnell (and his Chinese wife)...I could
    go on and on. Let's not forget the Biden crime family. Heck, even the
    Dimmies don't want Biden anymore. He needs to be in a nursing home enjoying ice cream and not being an empty vessel for Obama's third term.

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Powell on Mon May 29 19:58:12 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    If dumbasses on the left were not so dead-set on
    having books in school libraries that, for example, graphically depict oral sex between two underaged males, this wouldn't be happening.

    How dare you make sense.

    If you try to explain that to a leftist moron who wanted such things in the schools, they won't understand. If it was oral sex between an underaged male and underaged female, most of them would call it out for being the pornography that it is.

    The left, in general, only apply the rules if it applies to them, much like Fidonet's Zone 2 administration

    They also won't understand that, thanks to them, there are several more harmless books that are gone from schools and that even "used"
    retailers like eBay won't allow to be sold.

    The ALA needs to be destroyed along with the teachers' unions and the
    so-called "Department of Education" and much of the federal government.

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dale Shipp on Mon May 29 20:06:18 2023
    Dale Shipp wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    You say that, but the GOP record of what they do is far from it. GOP controlled states are busy passing laws that effectively restrict the ability to vote of minorities, passing laws that restrict education
    that even mentions gender, bans books, and is seen as a party of rich
    old white men.

    Funny since an old white man is ruining the country now.

    So passing laws that effectively restrict the ability to vote of minorities, you need an ID to open a bank account, you need an ID to buy booze or
    tobacco, you need an ID to register a car, but no ID to prove you're a
    citizen of this country to affect its future? So you're okay with illegal aliens (who make up a majority of the minorities according to the feds) deciding the future of the country you were born in?

    Banning books that have sexual perversion to push it on children is bad?
    What kind of pervert are you?

    What kind of parent were you, Dale, with your kids? Did you allow them to
    look at porn at eight years old? I think you spent too much time being a
    spook and lost your common sense along the way. Like it or not, you're
    giving a helping hand with this country's destruction. You like spending
    your sunset years watching this country you helped build to greatness going
    to hell?

    Also, if you haven't looked, the Democrat party is also a party of rich
    white old men. Look who's president.

    You believe too much of the MSM. I know you were brought up at a time when
    it was taught to always believe everything that the government tells you.
    I'd think you'd be a wiser person than that but with your boilerplate responses, I'm gathering I was wrong.

    -- Sean

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Tue May 30 02:18:41 2023
    Hello Joe,

    I hope Florida Rep Anna Paulina Luna gets the 218 votes that is needed.

    They may have the votes...

    There are enough Republicans alone to expel George Santos
    from the House. Yet, they have chosen not to do so. Why?
    Because Speaker McCarthy needs his vote in order to remain
    Speaker.

    and it maybe going forward.

    Not a chance. Speaker McCarthy needs Soros' vote.

    Durham is suppose to be in front of congress soon to testify...

    Durham was not able to find evidence to file charges against
    any Republicans' perceived enemies. But the Repuclican-majority
    House can subpoena him anytime it wants to testify ...

    I'd like to hear what he has to say!!

    And what would he reveal, except what is already in his report?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue May 30 02:18:46 2023
    Hello Greg,

    This is an international echo, where folks from around the world
    are welcome to participate, in the language of their choice. Maybe
    you should expand your horizons by listening to what they have to
    say. Even if you don't like it, you might learn a thing or two.

    "You ain't nothin' but a couyon!"

    You don't even know the meaning of the word.

    This coming from someone (you) who is not even nodelisted.

    Fidonet is not limited to sysops only. All are welcome to participate
    in the echo(s) of their choice.

    Bless your heart.

    Bless us all, sysops and probationary sysops alike.

    Maybe you should head over yonder and take a gander look-see at Policy 4

    I have. Many times. And have found it extremely limited.
    To put things kindly.

    https://www.fidonet.org/policy4.txt
    as per Policy 4.07 document of June 9th 1989

    It has never been updated since then, although several sysops have
    noted its shortcomings, and some have even tried to update or change
    it.

    But as you know, it is not an official document of anything.
    Nobody knows who signed it. Or who wrote it. Or how many took
    part in writing it. It was also never ratified. In any zone.

    The only vote that ever took place in regards to P4 was at
    a con in Zone 2, where sysops UNANIMOUSLY REJECTED P4.

    No other vote was ever taken, in any zone, in regards to ratification.

    What do you say to that, Big Boy?

    P4 could not get a single vote, from any sysop, anywhere in the world,
    in favor of ratification.

    1.0 Language

    The official language of FidoNet is English. All documents must exist in English. Translation into other languages is encouraged.

    The official language for those who wrote it might be English, but
    there is nothing mandating English for anybody else.

    Dr. Jill does. As well as his dogs (who are also very loyal).
    And everybody knows he trounced the orange one by over 7 million
    votes in the last election ...

    'Jill baby' might be into Joe for the $money$ and definitely not for the ride. I can see it now, Joe punching himself in his own crotch,
    gasping "wake up dam it, c'mon man." Then as he bends down a slow and creepy
    whisper escapes his lips "for real, stop being a dog-faced pony soldier."

    I do not see Dr. Jill and her husband splitting up any time soon.
    Both are very loyal to each other, and do not sleep around with others.
    Unlike your orange clown, who has cheated on several of his wives, and
    grabs women by their pussies. Joe would put his dogs on him. As well
    as Dr. Jill.

    I would wager w/ his dogs there is plenty tilting of the heads w /confusion.

    On primary election night in South Carolina, Dr. Jill took out
    a protester who tried to attack Joe. All it took was one karate
    chop from her to put him down. No secret service needed. That
    is one woman you do not want to mess with.

    He thinks this is the FLAME echo. And maybe it is, come to think
    of it. After all, there is no real moderator. And there are no real
    rules ...

    As I said before your not even nodelisted.

    Who the fuck cares? Everybody is welcome to participate.
    Sysops and probationary sysops alike. So what is your problem?

    So Don't be worrying your gumbo head about Sean.

    Politicians have the skin of an elephant and the memory of a gnat.
    They know today's adversary might become tomorrow's ally. So that is
    how they play their game. Except for Ron DeSantis, who cannot take
    the heat and always loses his cool.

    You're so far down from his level of greatness, just fuggedaboutit.

    I have no plans to ever become a MAGA nutjob.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Tue May 30 02:19:03 2023
    Hello Joe,

    Speaker McCarthy can do many things.

    Yes, like lead us out of a crisis and to a resolution...

    President Biden has shown him the way ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Sean Dennis on Mon May 29 21:11:35 2023
    On 29 May 2023, Sean Dennis said the following...

    Banning books that have sexual perversion to push it on children is bad? What kind of pervert are you?

    this one is funny. they make it sound like the books are unavailable. they can be purchased on amazon, checked out from the library, etc. we just don't want them in school libraries or in the children's section of public libraries. in fact to avoid problems i'm sure many libraries specifically keep them in the general library and not the children's/young adults part.

    the problem is they HATE that they don't have direct access to children. it's not good enough that it's easily available. it has to also be easily happened upon by a young child. it doesn't work if children can't accidentally look through it and see pictures of sexual acts. in the 70s the authors of these books probably would have spent a good portion of their time walking the streets naked covered only by a trenchcoat.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Grotewohl on Mon May 29 19:02:42 2023
    this one is funny. they make it sound like the books are unavailable. they can
    be purchased on amazon, checked out from the library, etc. we just don't want them in school libraries or in the children's section of public libraries. in fact to avoid problems i'm sure many libraries specifically keep them in the general library and not the children's/young adults part.

    Why do you want to ban books?

    Libraries are not giving pornography to children.

    the problem is they HATE that they don't have direct access to children. it's not good enough that it's easily available. it has to also be easily happened upon by a young child. it doesn't work if children can't accidentally look through it and see pictures of sexual acts. in the 70s the authors of these books probably would have spent a good portion of their time walking the streets naked covered only by a trenchcoat.

    Do you have any evidence of any of that? No? I didn't think so.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tue May 30 11:15:24 2023
    He does not seem to understand the negotiation process that is going on...

    What some people obviously fail to understand, is the huge difference between raising the debt ceiling (yes or no) and discussing the budget.

    Someone really should tell them that the budgetary debate comes later this year.

    --
    People who think that democratic elections are all about picking the right winner, are in dire need of re-education.

    ..

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue May 30 07:44:39 2023
    IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    What did we learn from the Twitter buyout ... we learned that you can
    fire ~80% of your staff and still run a company ... Washington should
    take note...

    This has been well known for decades.

    I had a book on careers about 20 years ago. One of the things they talk about is the danger of going into management. Because when a company purges, it's middle management that goes first because they often do nothing - and in many cases, the company works great without them.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue May 30 07:44:39 2023
    IB Joe wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    They may have the votes... and it maybe going forward. Durham is
    suppose to be in front of congress soon to testify... I'd like to hear what he has to say!!

    It's all just a circus until we start seeing big-wigs go to jail.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Sean Dennis on Tue May 30 07:44:39 2023
    Sean Dennis wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    I just think that these people have their heads so far up their rectums that they've cut off all oxygen to their brains.

    But that assumes that they had brains to begin with and that's very much unproven.

    I chuckle at the fact that a lot of non-Americans in here think they
    can pontificate about American politics believing what their mainstream media tells them which is normally wholesale fabrications. Especially

    The Ignorant Elitists think that if they are an expert in a certain area, they are automatically an expert in completely unrelated areas.

    ex: A linquist can pontificate on foreign policy.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Sean Dennis on Tue May 30 09:48:37 2023
    On 29 May 2023, Sean Dennis said the following...


    Congress is a voter-endorsed prison. So many career criminals like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer (sp?), Mitch McConnell (and his Chinese wife)...I could go on and on. Let's not forget the Biden crime family. Heck,
    even the Dimmies don't want Biden anymore. He needs to be in a nursing home enjoying ice cream and not being an empty vessel for Obama's third term.


    This is why Trump was hated... because he wouldn't tow the line of the Uni-Party.

    Country is so divided after Barry & Michael came to be known.

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Tue May 30 09:54:38 2023
    On 30 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    There are enough Republicans alone to expel George Santos
    from the House. Yet, they have chosen not to do so. Why?
    Because Speaker McCarthy needs his vote in order to remain
    Speaker.


    The problem with kicking a representative, politician, out for being a lier you'll have to get rid of them all. Let the electorate vote him in or out. George Santos even said he lied.


    Durham was not able to find evidence to file charges against
    any Republicans' perceived enemies. But the Repuclican-majority
    House can subpoena him anytime it wants to testify ...


    You don't know... he'll be testifying soon, wait like anyone else to see what he says.

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
    AKA Joe Schweier
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue May 30 15:25:00 2023
    Governments should spend money they don't have, and don't have the revenue streams to cover.

    Is that so?

    Sorry that should say:

    Governments should NOT spend money they don't have, and don't have the
    revenue streams to cover.

    I left the NOT out.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SEAN DENNIS on Tue May 30 16:32:00 2023
    So passing laws that effectively restrict the ability to vote of minorities, you need an ID to open a bank account, you need an ID to buy booze or tobacco, you need an ID to register a car, but no ID to prove you're a citizen of this country to affect its future? So you're okay with illegal aliens (who make up a majority of the minorities according to the feds) deciding the future of the country you were born in?

    Here in Kentucky, until they were available at pharmacies, you also needed an ID to get the COVID shot at the clinics the state/local health departments had set up.

    Banning books that have sexual perversion to push it on children is bad?
    What kind of pervert are you?

    Let's give him credit, Dale did respond here that he is also found the
    examples I mentioned objectionable. He is worried about other books on the list, many of which I would not be surprised that I am also not excited about seeing removed.

    If too many books get removed, it could make it too easy to remove
    literature that provides a desenting opinion and make it even easier for manipulators to brainwash kids into no telling what.

    Unfortunately, I do believe it is an overreation to an overaction from the
    left side. If the extremists had not pushed things they well knew were objectionable and were never going to be allowed, we'd not have the same overreaction in return.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SEAN DENNIS on Tue May 30 16:35:00 2023
    Alan is Canadian. No matter how he pretends to know US politics, he has no clue. I don't pretend to know everything about Canadian politics (to me, an insider, it looks pretty much like a dictatorship, just like the US right now). That is why I twitted him. Ignorance is no excuse for an arguement.

    I don't mind hearing from folks outside of the USA so long as they are
    making an effort to keep up with what is going on, and are also willing to honestly discuss what might be going on in their own countries.

    If they are not willing to do either, it makes it a lot more difficult to
    have a conversation with them that will ever amount to anything.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed May 31 03:07:48 2023
    Hello Björn,

    He does not seem to understand the negotiation process that is going
    on...

    What some people obviously fail to understand, is the huge difference between raising the debt ceiling (yes or no) and discussing the budget.

    Someone really should tell them that the budgetary debate comes later this year.

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Just in time for Christmas!

    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Right down Santa Claus Lane!

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Wed May 31 03:08:07 2023
    Hello Joe,

    There are enough Republicans alone to expel George Santos
    from the House. Yet, they have chosen not to do so. Why?
    Because Speaker McCarthy needs his vote in order to remain
    Speaker.

    The problem with kicking a representative, politician, out for being a lier
    you'll have to get rid of them all.

    Politicians never lie. They are just more expedient with the truth.
    So that is not the issue. At least not in this case. The real issue
    is that George Santos has been indicted, on multiple counts, and is
    likely to be convicted on most, if not all, of those charges, and
    sent to prison.

    The House has the ways, and the means, to kick him out of Congress.
    And should do so, with no delay, as his continued presence gives all
    members of the Republican Party a bad name.

    You know what Santos did, was alleged to have done, given news
    media accounts. You also know what his own constituents have said
    about him (nothing good).

    So why would anyone want to defend such a scumbag?

    Let the electorate vote him in or out.

    The people in that congressional district deserve better than
    what they have. Much better. So why force them to wait, when the
    House has the ability to rid its chamber of the scumbag long
    before the next scheduled election day?

    George Santos even said he lied.

    If he had any honor or respect for himself and the people he
    serves he would resign immediately. But he won't. Because Speaker
    McCarthy needs his vote. And Santos doesn't give a rats cocktail
    about the people in his own district, or the American people as
    a whole.

    Durham was not able to find evidence to file charges against
    any Republicans' perceived enemies. But the Repuclican-majority
    House can subpoena him anytime it wants to testify ...

    You don't know...

    What charges were filed against Republicans' perceived enemies?
    Did they lock Hillary Clinton up? What about Hunter Biden? Did the
    House impeach Joe Biden? Please. The entire world wants to know.

    he'll be testifying soon, wait like anyone else to see what
    he says.

    This could be fun. When will the House subpoena Barack Obama?
    Will he be forced to turn over his real birth certicate to the
    DOJ for inspection? Or would he simply be turned over to ICE
    for deportation - without a trial?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 31 11:17:12 2023
    Lee Lofaso -> Björn Felten skrev 2023-05-31 03:07:
    Someone really should tell them that the budgetary debate comes later
    this year.

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Just in time for Christmas!

    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Right down Santa Claus Lane!

    Sorry Lee. Here's a secret: this lefty Euro Trash Pacifist Shit Pig Pussy actually knows, that the budgetary debate must be ended on October 1st.

    Yeah, if not the MAGA idiots come up with another stunt to try to make the Dems look bad. After all, that's the only card they've had for five decades now. I think that eventually someone is able to call their bluff.

    Not to say that all the brainwashed idiots will ever understand what hit them.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed May 31 09:27:40 2023
    On 31 May 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 05-30-23 11:47, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: See what they do, no <=-


    The news of any kind rarely gives the number of a bill, but rather jus
    what the effect is. Texas and Georgia passed laws that have the effec
    of making it harder for minorities to vote. Some of the tools are reducing the days for voting, reducing the number of ballot boxes, and
    even things that make it harder to wait in line at a polling place -- e.g. a crime to give water to those in line.

    Again show me the bills or current laws that exist.

    You can stand behind that mantra all you like, but you know your request is not possible.
    Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to vote remains unproven. Besides what are we really talking about here Democrats - and how they are being treated unfairly, clearly if that was the case people would have revolted or don't you remember the riots of 2020 chaos, and no the majority of those events were far from peaceful protests.
    It was Thomas Jefferson himself who said
    "We do not have government by the majority.
    We have government by the majority who participate."

    I believe what is happening here is the use of a liberal
    lens to find fault when in reality there is really nothing
    to gripe about.
    You believe. I state facts. Big difference.
    Right, such as Steele Dossier hoax?

    I think when the facts are known it
    will turn out to be a whole lot of nothing.

    There have been all sorts of things done. One example was South Dakota removing all voters from the roles who did not have a valid street address, knowing full well that such a requirement hit the native Americans hard since many of them live on reservations that had no
    street addresses. I have named other things. If you have not heard of such things, then you need to expand your sources of knowledge.
    The burden of proof is yours to prove, facts do this nicely.
    Here are some facts
    1. "Indians getting paid to vote" is likely a reference to get out the vote efforts in Native American communities. The organizers of the efforts said they were intended to encourage voting generally, not an attempt to influence election outcomes. Still, such efforts can be considered at odds with election law, depending on the specifics of each case.

    2. The Nevada Indian Commission, a state agency, also posted announcements on Facebook about Native American tribes or colonies offering a Visa gift card raffle or other giveaways on Election Day. "After voting, grab some food and Natives Voting swag. Plus raffles+ giveaways!" stated some of the posts.

    Being blunt as it refers to biology.
    If you have a penis then you're a boy, if you have a vagina
    then you're a girl. What is so complex about that?

    Perhaps that is your simplistic explanation -- but it is not always that simple. You are automatically excluding all who are part of the LBGTQ+ spectrum.
    These people exist, they are always in your face propagating filth.
    Did you know Disney has a male Cinderella, seriously? Do they really need a Cinderfella? Do we need to smacked in the face with merchandise as soon as you walk into a Target. People are revolting over this and as a result Target is losing Millions of Dollars. The Tale of Bud Light is another very clear indicator as to why I am automatically excluding these types of people.

    You are confusing drag queens with cross dressers. As to drag queen
    story hour for elementary school children, I have only recently heard of this, nor heard why it is being done. I'll leave judgement until I hear information as to why the educators are allowing it.

    You need not reserve judgment, to know it is wrong. For me there no explanation on earth or any other sector of the cosmos that would make me say now I understand, it is not going to happen.

    You removed what I was responding to. Here it is:
    It was not intentional, but yes you are welcome for that of which is below.

    banned list because these good for nothing liberal colleges are indoctrinating students as they are making them intolerant
    to a book written from earlier time in history, editing
    existing works is now underway as well.

    I don't understand where you are getting such a statement. What do book bans have to do with "liberal colleges"? How are they indoctrinating students? Or the rest of your statements in that paragraph, none of
    which make sense to me.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vofiOCIWnCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaByNEPBeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkgU0ZtKUxg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1gSsEHu4UZ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vofiOCIWnCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLKs1PoIEc

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 31 09:38:16 2023
    On 31 May 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    Politicians never lie. They are just more expedient with the truth.
    So that is not the issue. At least not in this case. The real issue
    is that George Santos has been indicted, on multiple counts, and is
    likely to be convicted on most, if not all, of those charges, and
    sent to prison.


    So then when Trump says that the 2020 election was stolen then it's the truth.

    IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed May 31 18:47:21 2023
    Hello Björn,

    Someone really should tell them that the budgetary debate comes
    later
    this year.

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Just in time for Christmas!

    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Here comes Santa Claus!
    Right down Santa Claus Lane!

    Sorry Lee. Here's a secret: this lefty Euro Trash Pacifist Shit Pig Pussy actually knows, that the budgetary debate must be ended on October 1st.

    Say wha'? You mean to tell me I won't see Mommy kissing Santa Claus?
    Please tell me that ain't so!

    Yeah, if not the MAGA idiots come up with another stunt to try to make the Dems look bad. After all, that's the only card they've had for five decades
    now. I think that eventually someone is able to call their bluff.

    Joe Biden beat the pants off their orange god by over 7 million
    votes in 2020, with the Dems gaining control of the House and the
    Senate. Imagine that. Their orange god lost control of all three
    branches of government in one evening.

    Could be a redux next year, with the Dems retaining control of the
    Senate, retaking control of the House, and Joe Cool winning a second
    term.

    Not to say that all the brainwashed idiots will ever understand what hit them.

    The Grinch who stole Christmas? Only in this case, an orange one?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Wed May 31 22:43:22 2023
    Hello Joe,

    Politicians never lie. They are just more expedient with the truth.
    So that is not the issue. At least not in this case. The real issue
    is that George Santos has been indicted, on multiple counts, and is
    likely to be convicted on most, if not all, of those charges, and
    sent to prison.

    So then when Trump says that the 2020 election was stolen then it's the truth.

    Trump is making himself look silly.

    To date, Trump is batting zero for sixty (0-60).
    Not sure there are any courts left that will hear his case.
    If he has one. After all, they have heard so many already.
    Withing nothing of any substance to support any of his
    outlandish claims.

    Santos was arrested and is facing real charges.
    While he does have the presumption of being innocent
    until proven guilty, based on news media accounts as
    to what he has done (some of which he has already
    admitted), he is guilty as sin.

    But let us have the courts decide. After all, that
    is the American way. Meanwhile, the House should expel
    him for who and what he is - a self-admitted LIAR.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jun 1 01:26:04 2023
    On 05-31-23 09:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: A window provides cle <=-

    The news of any kind rarely gives the number of a
    bill, but rather jus
    what the effect is. Texas and Georgia passed
    laws that have the effec
    of making it harder for minorities to vote. Some of the tools are reducing the days for voting, reducing the number
    of ballot boxes, and
    even things that make it harder to wait in line
    at a polling place --
    e.g. a crime to give water to those in line.

    Again show me the bills or current laws that exist.

    You can stand behind that mantra all you like, but you know your request is not possible.

    Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to
    vote remains unproven.

    It is proven by the recurring presence in multiple legitimate news sources.

    As an example, this week the Republican legislatation in Texas passed a
    law which allows them to replace the (Democratic) election supervisor in
    Harris county. Harris county happens to be strongly Democratic in a
    mostly Republican state. The law *only* applies to Harris county.
    Google will show you multiple reporting on these facts. Here is one
    such:

    AUSTIN, Texas -- Shaking up elections in Texas' largest county, the GOP-controlled Legislature on Tuesday approved abolishing a position in
    Harris County that oversees more than 2 million voters around Houston
    months before the city chooses a new mayor.

    At the same time, Republicans advanced a separate plan that would also
    have a singular impact on Harris County, a growing Democratic
    stronghold: allowing the state to take greater control over elections
    there if it is determined there is a ôpattern of problems.ö

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-governor-bill-abolishing-position-harris-county-elections-99555761

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jun 3 12:53:08 2023
    Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to vote remains unproven.

    It is proven by the recurring presence in multiple legitimate news sources.
    That is the problem, as you have no issue with calling these legitimate and that there are multiple examples.

    The real truth is that there is no such thing as legitimate news source as these are corporations who have a left leaning agenda and not only this but they craft this as a production that has a intentional purpose, orchestrated and executed and are built in a way to make you sit on the edge of your seat as you digest what they are suggesting. You don't seem to understand that they have built this for your mind to make you believe their narrative as they hope that it becomes yours.

    The truth as it relates to Harris County is that
    March 8, 2022
    The elections administrator Isabel Longoria in Harris County, Texas, announced Tuesday that she had submitted her resignation, amid a mail-in ballot counting discrepancy in election night results.

    This comes just days after she said that about 10,000 mail-in ballots approximately 6,000 Democratic and 4,000 Republican had not been included in the final unofficial primary election results. On Saturday, Longoria said in a statement that the Central Count Committee, the body that oversees the tallying of ballots in Harris County, had scanned the votes but didn't transfer them to the unofficial results. Longoria added that the slip-up had occurred between 1 and 4 a.m. Wednesday, hours after the polls had closed in Texas. Overall, more than 358,000 ballots were cast in Harris County for the primary election, of which more than 327,000 were cast in person, according to unofficial totals.

    As an example, this week the Republican legislatation in Texas passed a law which allows them to replace the (Democratic) election supervisor in Harris county. Harris county happens to be strongly Democratic in a mostly Republican state. The law *only* applies to Harris county.
    Google will show you multiple reporting on these facts. Here is one
    such:

    Incorrect, she resigned in disgrace.

    Google can not trusted as they lean left.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jun 4 00:20:00 2023
    On 06-03-23 12:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Voting <=-


    Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to
    vote remains unproven.

    It is proven by the recurring presence in multiple legitimate news sources.

    That is the problem, as you have no issue with calling
    these legitimate and that there are multiple examples.

    The news sources I refer to report news backed up by facts.

    The real truth is that there is no such thing as legitimate news
    source as these are corporations who have a left leaning agenda and
    not only this but they craft this as a production that has
    a intentional purpose, orchestrated and executed and are
    built in a way to make you sit on the edge of your seat as
    you digest what they are suggesting. You don't seem to
    understand that they have built this for your mind to make
    you believe their narrative as they hope that it becomes
    yours.

    Your opinion, not mine.

    The truth as it relates to Harris County is that
    March 8, 2022
    The elections administrator Isabel Longoria in Harris County, Texas, announced Tuesday that she had submitted her resignation,
    amid a mail-in ballot counting discrepancy in election
    night results.

    That and the paragraph of data that I snipped are as reported word for
    word by CNN, one of several legitimate news sources I look at.

    As an example, this week the Republican legislatation in Texas passed a law which allows them to replace the (Democratic) election supervisor in Harris county. Harris county happens to be strongly Democratic in a mostly Republican state. The law *only* applies to Harris county.
    Google will show you multiple reporting on these facts. Here is one
    such:

    Is election supervisor the same thing as elections administrator? I do
    not really know, but maybe they are the same.

    Incorrect, she resigned in disgrace.

    Not incorrect -- two different things. Don't confuse them. Longoria
    resigned because of errors made. The Republican legislation passed a
    law that lets them decide to replace a election supervisor in Harris
    county. It only applies to Harris county and not to the Repulican
    countys.

    Google can not trusted as they lean left.

    Google is a search engine, full stop.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 5 07:24:00 2023
    The real truth is that there is no such thing as legitimate news source as these are corporations who have a left leaning agenda and not only this but they craft this as a production that has
    a intentional purpose, orchestrated and executed and are
    built in a way to make you sit on the edge of your seat as
    you digest what they are suggesting. You don't seem to
    understand that they have built this for your mind to make
    you believe their narrative as they hope that it becomes
    yours.

    Your opinion, not mine.

    True it is my opinion and it is also beyond obvious it is not yours.
    That was the whole point that I was making.
    If CNN -- your trusted source says something, says anything there is no filter or process where you pause and think about what your being told.
    There should be.

    Incorrect, she resigned in disgrace.

    Not incorrect. Longoria resigned because of errors
    So how is this different or incorrect, from what I said. She resigned.
    How she did so is in the matter of opinion, but holding such an office and then leaving it I do believe my description of "disgrace" was appropriate.

    Google can not trusted as they lean left.
    Google is a search engine, full stop.
    What I'm saying is that there is liberal bias within Media especially CNN. This left leaning bias does not just exist within the media, it exists in periodicals, newspapers and it is prevalent on the Internet too.
    with search engines as they have an agenda as well.

    The CNN example can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
    Oh and no worries there is a full write up (link) on Fox News as well, which would surprise you is not my favorite. Not since the election night of 2020. The last straw is when they fired Tucker Carlson.
    This is when I joined Millions of others as I waived goodbye to Fox News.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sun Nov 26 11:10:00 2023
    I am not sure how to fix that, either.

    Paper only. In person, except for absentee voting with all the restrictions around it. Voting only 1 day and all votes counted in each precinct that day.

    They were stuffing paper ballots, so how does that help? There are areas
    where they cheated long before COVID and multiple day voting.

    I agree, none of the electronic touch-screen machines, but those old
    tabulating machines we used to use (pull lever) worked here great, and were a lot faster than the touch-screens.

    Also, some folks seem to think "paper only and hand counting only" will fix
    it. There is no way they'd get them all counted "that day" that way, and
    there is no way you'd convince someone like me that someone hand-counting
    it will somehow be less biased than a machine. After all, the machine is biased because of how a *person* programmed it.

    I don't want Florida 2000 every four years. That'd be even worse than what
    we have now.

    In person is good. One vote per person is good. Each ballot only able to
    be counted once is good. The only way you can enforce those last two, especially the last one, is if a machine counts them. If a code on the
    ballot has already been scanned and successfully counted once, throw an
    error that requires someone to actually confront the person right then who's trying to stuff the ballot back in again.

    I would go as far as to say the ballot should expire after X amount of
    time. That way it cannot easily leave the polling location and come back later, and it cannot be pulled back out from under a table and rescanned
    later. Where we poll, the line is before the ballot is printed. Once it
    is printed, you are able to start voting right them so there should be very little wait. Give someone X time to fill it out and put it in the scanner, from the time it is printed and handed to them, or force them to start over.

    Part of the reason I like the idea of multiple days is that it keeps places like Leftistexcrementholeville from claiming that people don't have enough
    time to vote and trying to keep the polls open past 6pm on Election night.
    They used to complain all the time. The procedures we have now prevent
    them from doing so, so no keeping the polls open until they get the numbers they want.

    I would be very leary of some national-level requirements

    Those requirements are unconstutional on their face.

    Agreed, which means it would be difficult to get certain states (see below)
    or even certain regions of certain states (Chicago, NYC) to agree to
    anything that would prevent tampering.

    because we both know the current
    administration would have all the states allowing all sorts of stupid stuff.

    As well as Blue states.

    That is the "see below" from above. ;)

    You should be able to sort the little cards from 0-X and see if someone's missing or duplicated. You should be able to sort the ballots from 0-(Y+Z) an
    see if a ballot is missing. And, of course X should equal Y.

    Oh, but math is racist.

    That'd never fly in Oregon, for example, for that reason.

    Our paper ballots go into a locked machine. I don't know if it tabulates
    it or not at that moment, but it tells us that our ballot has been accepted.

    I would rather them not tabulate, or at least not be able to tell anyone
    what was tabulated, until after 6pm Election night. On the other hand, it could be handy if it gave the voter a receipt that told them what their
    ballot was counted as... although I see a lot of confusion and people
    claiming it was wrong when it really wasn't if it could do that.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 27 08:12:08 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They were stuffing paper ballots, so how does that help? There are
    areas where they cheated long before COVID and multiple day voting.

    It's harder to stuff real paper, that's been filled out, than to flip bits.

    It won't fix the problem, but it will reduce the impact of cheating. Look at the amount of cheating that needed to be done in 2020 to pull Sleepy Joe across the finish line. From a logistics point of view, if you constrain voting enough, you can't stuff enough paper ballots to get your candidate to win.

    I agree, none of the electronic touch-screen machines, but those old tabulating machines we used to use (pull lever) worked here great, and were a lot faster than the touch-screens.

    Yup. But they can also be "programmed" to cheat as well.

    Also, some folks seem to think "paper only and hand counting only" will fix it. There is no way they'd get them all counted "that day" that
    way,

    Sure there is. They don't bring all the ballots to a central place and count them. They count them at every precinct. Parallel processing at its finest. If a precinct is too large to count, they need to break it up.

    and there is no way you'd convince someone like me that someone hand-counting it will somehow be less biased than a machine. After
    all, the machine is biased because of how a *person* programmed it.

    The problem is that it's easy to produce a bunch of machines to cheat. It's much harder to produce a bunch of people who will cheat.

    In person is good. One vote per person is good. Each ballot only able
    to be counted once is good. The only way you can enforce those last
    two, especially the last one, is if a machine counts them.

    Only if the code is open source, vetted as correct, and the machines are completely disconnected from any ability to change after loaded with the software. Hm.... I just realized that we do almost all of this with electronic payment devices that stores use to read your credit card.

    I would go as far as to say the ballot should expire after X amount of time. That way it cannot easily leave the polling location and come
    back later, and it cannot be pulled back out from under a table and rescanned later.

    But this is how the machines were designed. They were designed to allow for cheating.

    Currently, I do not trust **any** current machine to tabulate ballots.

    Part of the reason I like the idea of multiple days is that it keeps places like Leftistexcrementholeville from claiming that people don't
    have enough time to vote and trying to keep the polls open past 6pm on Election night. They used to complain all the time.

    Does anyone listen to those ignorants? They are the same ones who keep pushing the false Narrative that "Blacks can't get IDs to vote."

    Polls are open long enough for nearly everyone to be able to vote in person. For the outliars, we have mail in voting.

    Our paper ballots go into a locked machine. I don't know if it
    tabulates it or not at that moment, but it tells us that our ballot has been accepted.

    In my area, it's a locked box. About the only thing it does it verify that the ballot is not spoiled (i.e. you voted for 2 candidates when you were only allowed to vote for 1).

    I would rather them not tabulate, or at least not be able to tell
    anyone what was tabulated, until after 6pm Election night. On the
    other hand, it could be handy if it gave the voter a receipt that told them what their ballot was counted as... although I see a lot of
    confusion and people claiming it was wrong when it really wasn't if it could do that.

    I thought about that. Sort of like getting a paper receipt at the store. But instead of giving it to the voter, it goes in to a separate locked box to be used only if they needed to audit the vote.

    But now we are back to all the problem surrounding paper ballots.

    There's no perfect solution to this. About all we can do is make voter fraud not worth the effort.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Mon Nov 27 11:14:00 2023
    and there is no way you'd convince someone like me that someone hand-counting it will somehow be less biased than a machine. After
    all, the machine is biased because of how a *person* programmed it.

    The problem is that it's easy to produce a bunch of machines to cheat. It's much harder to produce a bunch of people who will cheat.

    I don't think so. For local elections, yes, but you honestly don't think
    they could find plenty of Never-Trumpers in electoral-vote rich states?

    Just here locally I think they could find enough Never-Republicans in Leftyexcrementholeville to fix state-level election results here, especially
    if their dead start voting again. There, it might be harder to find
    someone who could program the machine to do it for them as most of those
    types there are probably not smart enough.

    In person is good. One vote per person is good. Each ballot only able to be counted once is good. The only way you can enforce those last two, especially the last one, is if a machine counts them.

    Only if the code is open source, vetted as correct, and the machines are completely disconnected from any ability to change after loaded with the software. Hm.... I just realized that we do almost all of this with electronic payment devices that stores use to read your credit card.

    Yep. Now you see some of what I am thinking.

    I would go as far as to say the ballot should expire after X amount of time. That way it cannot easily leave the polling location and come back later, and it cannot be pulled back out from under a table and rescanned later.

    But this is how the machines were designed. They were designed to allow for cheating.

    Currently, I do not trust **any** current machine to tabulate ballots.

    I don't know that they were designed to allow for it specifically, but if I
    can program the machine to tabulate a choice of X as a vote for Y, on
    purpose or by accident, it is not designed to NOT allow it, which it should be.

    You can honestly mis-map a screen, but I would expect then that all choices
    of Y would also turn into votes for X. I have never heard of that
    happening. Have you?

    Part of the reason I like the idea of multiple days is that it keeps places like Leftistexcrementholeville from claiming that people don't have enough time to vote and trying to keep the polls open past 6pm on Election night. They used to complain all the time.

    Does anyone listen to those ignorants? They are the same ones who keep pushin
    the false Narrative that "Blacks can't get IDs to vote."

    Yes. Some major cities nationally, pre COVID, had extended hours beyond
    the rest of their state (which makes it special treatment). I don't know
    if Leftyexcrementholeville was ever successful in convincing Kentucky to
    allow them to do so, though.

    Polls are open long enough for nearly everyone to be able to vote in person. For the outliars, we have mail in voting.

    I like mail-in even less than multilple day in-person. Although illegal, I could have received and mailed-in three ballots during the 2020 primary as,
    at the time, there were somehow two extra people registered at this address (one dead, one long moved out of state) who were offered a chance to
    receive a ballot.

    I could not have voted three times in person, even with multiple days to do
    it, because I only have one ID and ID is required here.

    Expiring ballots, proper identification, and "one person, one vote" verifications would fix most issues.

    Our paper ballots go into a locked machine. I don't know if it tabulates it or not at that moment, but it tells us that our ballot has been accepted.

    In my area, it's a locked box. About the only thing it does it verify that th
    ballot is not spoiled (i.e. you voted for 2 candidates when you were only allowed to vote for 1).

    That is probably all it does here also. I have never spoiled one and have never asked so I am not certain.

    There's no perfect solution to this. About all we can do is make voter fraud not worth the effort.

    Yes indeed.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 28 08:09:32 2023
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't think so. For local elections, yes, but you honestly don't
    think they could find plenty of Never-Trumpers in electoral-vote rich states?

    Like I said, it's not 100%. It's simply harder.

    Case in point: in the last election in Detroit, the Elitists committed crimes to push Republican Observers away from the process so that they couldn't see the cheating.

    So even in an Elitist run precinct, there are good people who can, and will, blow the whistle.

    Sadly, our AG is an Elitist and refused to do anything about it even though there is piles of evidence.

    I don't know that they were designed to allow for it specifically,

    Yes. That was the basis of the lawsuits against the MyPillow guy. The manufacturers of the machines didn't like him saying the truth, so they sued him. And now that the research is done, we have proof that the machines were designed to facilitate cheating.

    Of course that's not a surprise. Venesuela uses the same machines.

    You can honestly mis-map a screen, but I would expect then that all choices of Y would also turn into votes for X. I have never heard of
    that happening. Have you?

    No. The cheating was more subtle. If every X vote was Y and Y vote was X that would be really, really obvious. They need to make the election process seem like we have a choice.

    What the machines did was flip some votes. Ex: If Biden was winning in that area, the machine did nothing. But if Biden was losing, the machine would flip **some** votes to keep Biden in the lead.

    BTW: This is why they closed the tabulation process early (or made up "emergencies" to close down for the night). The algorithm in the machines couldn't keep Biden in the lead.

    An analysis of the votes in some places here in Michigan showed that this was the case.

    I like mail-in even less than multilple day in-person.

    When I say "mail in voting", I'm talking about the process that's been in place for a long time. I show up at the city office and explain my need (i.e. I will be out of state that day), then show my ID, and I am given a ballot that I can fill out and mail in.

    Yes, there are problems with that process. Like I said, nothing's 100%. But 1. There is a record that I have a mail in vote.
    2. If I attempt to vote on election day, that will be flagged, since they know I asked for a mail in vote.

    Again, much harder to cheat. And if you have an Elitist run state (like Michigan), the Sec of State will ignore the law and set her own election rules, and the AG will not prosecute the people who broke the laws.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tue Nov 28 09:32:00 2023
    I like mail-in even less than multilple day in-person.

    When I say "mail in voting", I'm talking about the process that's been in plac
    for a long time. I show up at the city office and explain my need (i.e. I wil
    be out of state that day), then show my ID, and I am given a ballot that I can
    fill out and mail in.

    Yes, the absentee process. Gotcha.

    Again, much harder to cheat. And if you have an Elitist run state (like Michigan), the Sec of State will ignore the law and set her own election rules
    and the AG will not prosecute the people who broke the laws.

    Our SOS race was the only one I really cared much about this time around,
    and we retained ours. He is very good at what he does.


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