Åα¿óÑΓ, All!

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

æ πóáªÑ¡¿Ñ¼ - Sergey

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Hello Sergey!

10 Nov 21 08:44, you wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

Why not to put website on Oracle Cloud? (1CPU, 1GB RAM, 47GB HDD - for free, with slightly limited network speed).

I mean I can imagine local need of FTN sw (due to local modem and phone line), but why web locally?

In general, there is plenty better HW available just for the price of pick it up. Why to go to extreme always?

Karel
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Good ${greeting_time}, Sergey!

10 Nov 21 08:44, you wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

Puppy Linux?

With best regards,
Alexander.

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Hey Sergey!

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it?

Have a look at some of the older slackwares at ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/slackware/slackware-iso/ as they have versions nobody else has, not even slackware. Offhand I'd guess something like slackware-10.0 or thereabouts should work.

I want to deploy FTN software on it, and a website (with a load
of about zero). Is it even possible?

Yes. How much do you know about installing linux distributions? Also does the laptop have a bootable CD-ROM? That will make a HUGE difference.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne mæg werig mod wyrde wiðstondan, ne se hreo hyge helpe gefremman.
A weary mind cannot withstand fate, nor a sad heart offer help.
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Hey Karel!

Why to go to extreme always?

Ale mami! V tom je ta zábava.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne do ðu nauðer: ne ðe sylfne ne here, ne ðe sylfne ne leah.
Don't do either of these things: praise yourself or criticise yourself.
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Hi! Sergey,

On 11/10/2021 03:44 PM, you wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

I would recommend an old Puppy Linux, version 4.12 (Linux ver 2.6.25). It should work in 128Mb; later versions insist on 512Mb. It can provide a full GUI as it's designed for a community of dumb users with old laptops.

I can send you the .ISO (~98Mb) if you can't find it. Netmail me.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Åα¿óÑΓ, Karel!

ÄΓóÑΓ ¡á ß««íΘÑ¡¿Ñ Karel Kral (2:423/39) ¬ Sergey Sapronov, ¡á»¿ßá¡¡«Ñ 10 ¡«∩ 21 ó 07:17:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN
software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it
even possible?

Why not to put website on Oracle Cloud? (1CPU, 1GB RAM, 47GB HDD - for free, with slightly limited network speed).

I mean I can imagine local need of FTN sw (due to local modem and
phone line), but why web locally?

In general, there is plenty better HW available just for the price of
pick it up. Why to go to extreme always?

Of course, I can host both the site and the fido node on adequate hardware. I now have a node running on VDS and this is an excellent solution without problems. But in this case, it is a process for the sake of process, a creative act.

æ πóáªÑ¡¿Ñ¼ - Sergey

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Åα¿óÑΓ, Alexander!

ÄΓóÑΓ ¡á ß««íΘÑ¡¿Ñ Alexander Kruglikov (2:5053/58) ¬ Sergey Sapronov, ¡á»¿ßá¡¡«Ñ 10 ¡«∩ 21 ó 10:19:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN
software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it
even possible?

Puppy Linux?

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If you want to try out, the minimum hardware system requirements for Puppy Linux are:
A 233MHZ processor or Pentium III processor or above.
128MB RAM (512 recommended for smoother operations)
512MB free hard drive space to create an optional save file.

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May be! On the verge, but maybe yes. I'll see, thanks.

æ πóáªÑ¡¿Ñ¼ - Sergey

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Åα¿óÑΓ, Maurice!

ÄΓóÑΓ ¡á ß««íΘÑ¡¿Ñ Maurice Kinal (2:280/464.113) ¬ Sergey Sapronov, ¡á»¿ßá¡¡«Ñ 10 ¡«∩ 21 ó 09:02:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it?

Have a look at some of the older slackwares at ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/slackware/slackware-iso/ as they have versions nobody else has, not even slackware. Offhand I'd guess
something like slackware-10.0 or thereabouts should work.

Thanks, I'll watch this.

I want to deploy FTN software on it, and a website (with a load
of about zero). Is it even possible?

Yes. How much do you know about installing linux distributions? Also does the laptop have a bootable CD-ROM? That will make a HUGE
difference.

There is a CD-rom, but it does not read modern cd-r for some unknown reason. So far I have come to this option: I removed the HDD, connected it via an IDE-2-USB adapter to a full-fledged laptop, created a virtual machine with this physical disk through VMWare player on it, and on this disk I plan to install Linux from an iso image, and after installation, connect the hdd back to the old laptop - this is the design!

æ πóáªÑ¡¿Ñ¼ - Sergey

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Good ${greeting_time}, Sergey!

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10 Nov 21 10:15, you wrote to me:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy
FTN software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero).
Is it even possible?

Puppy Linux?

May be! On the verge, but maybe yes. I'll see, thanks.

Nothing to thank you for, I'm glad to help.

JFL, you can try installing FIDOSlax =)))

With best regards,
Alexander.

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Hey Sergey!

Ответ на сообщение Maurice Kinal (2:280/464.113) к Sergey Sapronov, написанное 10 ноя 21 в 09:02:

Easy for you to say. ;-)

There is a CD-rom, but it does not read modern cd-r for some
unknown reason.

I am betting it is too fast a burn speed. I hear 4x is the best speed for targetting older CD-ROMs. Also CDs used to be 650M so that also might be an issue since I believe CDs are now 700M? It's been awhile but I do remember that lower burn speeds made a big difference.

So far I have come to this option: I removed the HDD, connected
it via an IDE-2-USB adapter to a full-fledged laptop, created a
virtual machine with this physical disk through VMWare player on
it, and on this disk I plan to install Linux from an iso image,
and after installation, connect the hdd back to the old laptop

I used to do that without the virtual. It worked great and was way faster than CD installs. I still do it this way except with SSDs.

this is the design!

An excellent one.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Longað þonne þy læs þe him con leoþa worn.
He is less troubled by longing who knows many songs.
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Good ${greeting_time}, Sergey!

10 Nov 2021 08:44:16, you wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it?

ALT, i586 (really it's i686 and requires at least P2) architecture...

I want to deploy FTN software on it, and a website (with a load of
about zero). Is it even possible?

... JeOS build.

https://www.altlinux.org/Starterkits/Download


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gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

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Good ${greeting_time}, Paul!

10 Nov 2021 17:15:40, you wrote to Sergey Sapronov:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB
IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it?

I would recommend an old Puppy Linux, version 4.12 (Linux ver
2.6.25).

Never use old software. Even with old hardware.


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Good ${greeting_time}, Alexander!

10 Nov 2021 11:49:48, you wrote to Sergey Sapronov:

JFL, you can try installing FIDOSlax =)))

Very cruel joke :-/


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... god@universe:~ # cvs up && make world
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Good ${greeting_time}, Alexey!

*** Answering a msg posted in area CarbonArea.

10 Nov 21 12:18, you wrote to me:

JFL, you can try installing FIDOSlax =)))

Very cruel joke :-/

I tried so hard! :-P

With best regards,
Alexander.

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Hi! Alexey,

On 10 Nov 2021, Alexey Vissarionov said the following...

I would recommend an old Puppy Linux, version 4.12 (Linux ver 2.6.25).

Never use old software. Even with old hardware.

I don't disagree with you.

OTOH, I first ran that version on a P-II/512Mb (a hand-me-down from the
gardner at work), and whose image still runs now as a VirtualBox VM. It
served as our NAS for a decade, and a few other things (e.g. mini-DLNA
server).

Cheers,
Paul.
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Hello Sergey.

10 Nov 21 08:44, you wrote to All:

Åα¿óÑΓ, All!

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

Debian Jessie should work:

https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/mips/ch03s04.html.en

regards,
--
Daniel

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Re: Linux for old computer (very)
By: Sergey Sapronov to All on Wed Nov 10 2021 08:44 am

Åα¿óÑγ, All!

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!) What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

æ πóáªÑ¡¿Ñ¼ - Sergey

I have a computer with 192 Mb of RAM, and most modern Linux Distributions are tricky to run with that.

I have found NetBSD and OpenBSD to be good candidates for hardware so old. Beware you won't have many spare resources. The operating systems idling may eat 90 to 100 megs, which leaves 40 to 30 for your applications. OpenBSD comes with a very lightweight httpd server out of the box which (from the top of my head) eats around 15 megs when idling. NetBSD comes with an even simpler one I think.

As for FNT software, I don't know the current consumption of such things.

If you want to run Linux and BSDs are not an option, Tiny Core Linux might be an ok choice. The core of the operating system gets loaded to RAM, so a lot of I/O typical of old computers is solved, but the footprint is still ridiculously small.

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On 2021-11-10 08:44:16, Sergey Sapronov (2:5020/827.1) wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

About five years ago I ran the then-latest version of 32-bit Arch Linux on a 1998 Toshiba Satellite 4000CDS with 160 MB RAM and a 40 GB HDD.

For a web server you could use nginx. Set worker_processes to 1 in nginx.conf may reduce its memory footprint.

Another alternative is lighttpd.

FreeBSD/i386 should also run fine in 128 MB RAM on an old PC.

Installing FTN stuff (binkd/hpt/etc) in Linux/BSD on an old PC is no different to a modern machine, just slower :)

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Hey andrew!

For a web server you could use nginx.

I have it here and was going to have a look at it once I have my latest ftn schtuffenputten ontrack (very soon).

Another alternative is lighttpd.

Agreed. Just from what he has posted thus far, my best guess is lighttpd.

Life is good,
Maurice

... damned if you do ... damned if you don't ... so go to hell.
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Hello Sergey!

10 Nov 2021 08:44, Sergey Sapronov wrote to All:

Privet, All!

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN software
on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

it all depends on what software you like to use, if you would have any chance of running x11 programs forget it :(

but if you stay in console, its more likely succes, you can still do the fb0 to see graphic in eq links -g http://localhost/gif-file-to-test-monitors.gif :=)

choice is then keep not using systemd, avoid any distro with is precompiled, since most precompiled needs mora ram in general, but on the other side if the host is limited on ram, then you would need another local computer to build precompiled on then install from you own binarie pkg store, doing this you can still use very old computers, non precompiled distros like freebsd / gentoo is prefered lists

sorry i am biased, since i do use windows 11 on the other computer here :=)

if you like more help write what you like to do with this computer , then i belive more usefull replys is made if i am just the one


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hello Sergey!

10 Nov 21 10:13, you wrote to me:

Of course, I can host both the site and the fido node on adequate hardware. I now have a node running on VDS and this is an excellent solution without problems. But in this case, it is a process for the
sake of process, a creative act.

In case of very specific usage, I had very good experience with

https://buildroot.org/

I guess you can even sell some memory still... ;-)

Karel

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Hello Maurice!

10 Nov 21 09:15, you wrote to me:

Ale mami! V tom je ta zábava.

Kdo chce kam, pomozme mu tam.
(Who loves to roam, may lose his home)

;-)

Karel

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Hey Karel!

@CHRS: CP895 2

Reference please. I cannot find a legitimate link to cp895.

Kdo chce kam, pomozme mu tam.
(Who loves to roam, may lose his home)

Google translate claims, "Who wants where, let's help him there."

I am sticking with, "But mama! That is where the fun is.", no matter which language or what google has to say about it.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Weorða ðe selfne godum dædum, ðenden ðin God recce.
Bring honour to yourself with good deeds, while God guides you.
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Hello Maurice!

12 Nov 21 22:52, you wrote to me:

@CHRS: CP895 2

Reference please. I cannot find a legitimate link to cp895.

OK. Czech conferences still use that (e.g. USERMAIL.42). But it was not accepted by big players that time (MS, IBM, ...)...

short version:
http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/localization/charsets/cs-encodings-faq

Google translate claims, "Who wants where, let's help him there."

Using deepl.com recently - but for proverbs, there is no (100% working) automated way.

(literally translated texts sound weird)

I am sticking with, "But mama! That is where the fun is.", no matter which language or what google has to say about it.

At least some ontopic: .chs tables I can provide, but not to utf8. Actually I am using old good luit under linux console to handle odd codings.

Karel

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Hey Karel!

http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/localization/charsets/cs-encodings-faq

I found https://www.duhoctrungquoc.vn/wiki/en/Kamenick%C3%BD_encoding since our last exchange. It has the utf8 equivalents and without being a knowledgeable person on all things cp895 I got the impression it just might be accurate.

(literally translated texts sound weird)

For sure.

.chs tables I can provide, but not to utf8.

I've heard tales of a python script that can handle that requirement.

Actually I am using old good luit under linux console to handle
odd codings.

So far I've been using iconv from glibc. iconv currently doesn't support cp895. I don't know why that is so.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Earh mæg þæt an þæt he him ondræde.
A coward can only do one thing: what he fears.
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Hello Sergey!

10 Nov 21 08:44, Sergey Sapronov wrote to All:

There is a laptop, ancient. It only has 128MB of RAM (and a 40GB IDE drive!). What Linux can I install on it? I want to deploy FTN
software on it, and a website (with a load of about zero). Is it even possible?

FreeBSD? https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/bsdinstall/#bsdinstall-hardware

And have a look at thttpd as a simple webserver. https://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hey Karel!

Here is an interesting twist for GT;

Kdo chce kam, pomozme mu tam.

Who wants where, let's help him there.

Same as before but ...

(Who loves to roam, may lose his home)

(Kdo se rád toulá, může přijít o domov)

Definetly getting a different signal here. Stinkin' google.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Onwald mæg wel reccean se þe ægðer ge hiene habban con ge wiðwinnan.
He wields power well who can both hold and resist it.
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* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)

Hey Maurice!

Excellent ... so far.

Stinkin' google.

That requires repeating.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Gif ðu hwæt on druncen misdo, ne wit ðu hit ðam ealoþe.
If you do something wrong when drunk, don't blame it on the ale.
--- GNU bash, version 5.1.8(1)-release (x86_64-motorshed-linux-gnu)
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Hello Maurice!

20 Nov 2021 11:05, Maurice Kinal wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Hey Maurice!
Excellent ... so far.

Stinkin' google.

That requires repeating.

to agre with myself i need to reply my own msgs :=)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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* Origin: gopher://fido.junc.eu/ (2:230/0)

On 24 Nov 2021, Benny Pedersen said the following...

Hello Maurice!

20 Nov 2021 11:05, Maurice Kinal wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Hey Maurice!
Excellent ... so far.

Stinkin' google.

That requires repeating.

to agre with myself i need to reply my own msgs :=)

LOL!

... A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/09/29 (Linux/64)
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Hey Benny!

to agre with myself i need to reply my own msgs :=)

Same as it ever was.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Man byþ on myrgþe his magan leof; sceal þeah anra gehwylc oðrum swican.
Man in joy is dear to his kin; but they will have to part.
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* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hello Maurice!

24 Nov 2021 17:35, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

to agre with myself i need to reply my own msgs :=)

Same as it ever was.

Linux localhost 5.15.5-gentoo-dist #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:25:42 -00 2021 x86_64 AMD EPYC 7601 32-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

no need to have it at home :=)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.15.5-gentoo-dist (x86_64))
* Origin: gopher://fido.junc.eu/ (2:230/0)

Hey Benny!

AMD EPYC 7601 32-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Whoa! 64 bootup penguins. I am guessing ast2500 which should get intitiallized as astfb if I am not mistaken. I have a ast2400 based system that has NEVER had an issue with bootup penguins (8 on that one).

no need to have it at home :=)

Says you! Mind you all I really want is a AMD EPYC Embedded 3255 (or 3251), 8 cores, 16 threads. Is it too much to ask for?

At the moment the closest I can get is an AMD Ryzen Embedded R1505G with Radeon Vega Gfx based system. Maybe someday...

Life is good,
Maurice

... Domgeorne dreorigne oft in hyra breostcofan bindað fæste.
Those eager for glory often bind sorrowful thoughts fast within the heart. --- GNU bash, version 5.1.8(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hello Maurice!

30 Nov 2021 16:20, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

AMD EPYC 7601 32-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Whoa! 64 bootup penguins. I am guessing ast2500 which should get intitiallized as astfb if I am not mistaken. I have a ast2400 based system that has NEVER had an issue with bootup penguins (8 on that
one).

i dont have it, but its nice to work with on remote ssh shells even

no need to have it at home :=)

Says you! Mind you all I really want is a AMD EPYC Embedded 3255 (or 3251), 8 cores, 16 threads. Is it too much to ask for?

yes linode.com is 5 us $ each mounth, it cant be cheaper without consequences

At the moment the closest I can get is an AMD Ryzen Embedded R1505G
with Radeon Vega Gfx based system. Maybe someday...

yep, its snowing now in danmark, so need more graphics cards to hold me warm :)

both my ryzen 7 is below 65 watt, but still high performance

high powwer and high performance is not me


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.15.6-gentoo-dist (x86_64))
* Origin: gopher://fido.junc.eu/ (2:230/0)

Hey Benny!

yep, its snowing now in danmark, so need more graphics cards to
hold me warm :)

Is that what those are for?

high powwer and high performance is not me

Same here but it can be a fun distraction on those cold winter nights. I guesstimate 16 bootup penguins to be the sweet spot.

Life is good,
Maurice

... A mæg God wyrcan wunder æfter wundre, wuldres hyrde.
God may ever work wonder after wonder, the Guardian of glory.
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Hello Maurice!

02 Dec 2021 05:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Hey Benny!

yep, its snowing now in danmark, so need more graphics cards to
hold me warm :)

Is that what those are for?

if one does not have a cat aswell :=)

high powwer and high performance is not me

Same here but it can be a fun distraction on those cold winter nights.
I guesstimate 16 bootup penguins to be the sweet spot.

i does not see them on my asus pn50 yet, maybe i need a displayport 1.4 8k monitor first :=)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

I guesstimate 16 bootup penguins to be the sweet spot.

i does not see them on my asus pn50 yet,

Same here on both amdgpu and i915 based. Mind you none of them are capable of 16 bootup penguins ... yet.

maybe i need a displayport 1.4 8k monitor first :=)

I doubt that will help given you system is only capable of 8 bootup penguins at best (R7-4700U). 8 is good but 16 would be better ... as well as an epyc instead of a ryzen. I don't ask for much.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ælc mann þe wisdom lufaþ biþ gesælig.
Everyone who loves wisdom is blessed.
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Hello Maurice!

06 Dec 2021 22:37, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

I guesstimate 16 bootup penguins to be the sweet spot.

i does not see them on my asus pn50 yet,

Same here on both amdgpu and i915 based. Mind you none of them are capable of 16 bootup penguins ... yet.

no freebsd devils either :=)

maybe i need a displayport 1.4 8k monitor first :=)

I doubt that will help given you system is only capable of 8 bootup penguins at best (R7-4700U). 8 is good but 16 would be better ... as well as an epyc instead of a ryzen. I don't ask for much.

if you had a 8k monitor ?, or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)


Regards Benny

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Hey Benny!

no freebsd devils either :=)

I like that little guy. I believe it is the best logo ever no matter what distribution.

if you had a 8k monitor ?,

Not yet.

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

I saw an asrock one like that except on a 4"x4" motherboard installed in a cube not much bigger than the motherboard. Tiny ones like that would free up some much needed space. As for 4 monitors, I doubt they'd see much use. 2 maybe and if so then I'd go for the gold and buy the best I could find.

That is highly unlikely to happen in the near future. In the meantime I'll be happy with what I have ... unless of course Santa decides to show me some love for a change and then the sky is the limit.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Lofdædum sceal in mægþa gehwære man geþeon.
By praiseworthy deeds shall one prosper among peoples everywhere.
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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 21 02:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet, but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hey Gerrit!

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production
yet, but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver
solution.

I'll have to check that out. Currently the micro-workstation that has my attention is the ASRock 4X4-4800U. As for microserver that is definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent ethernet chipsets and the like. Thus if I bought one it would be used as a workstation and probably with at least one top of the line monitors although two just might be the sweet spot for my usage of a mini-workstation. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 21 13:56, Maurice Kinal wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I'll have to check that out. Currently the micro-workstation that
has my attention is the ASRock 4X4-4800U. As for microserver that is definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent
ethernet chipsets and the like.

Depends on your definition of "decent". Yes, graphics is probably overkill for a pure home server application. PN41 would be enough to have "something".

Shuttle might be another option, they also make mini systems from low-power fanless to workstation-capable. The last ones I bought were DS10U models, as far as I can remember.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hey Gerrit!

definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent
ethernet chipsets and the like.

Depends on your definition of "decent".

Definetly *NOT* realtek. I've been burned far too often using them with the 8169 kernel driver for microservers. It's one thing if they are flakey on a workstation but NEVER on a server. That is my number one hesitation when considering parting with cash.

Shuttle might be another option,

I haven't looked lately but would definetly have a looksee at their latest lineup if I were serious about making a purchase.

As for graphics, the latest amdgpu based chipsets are looking to have surpassed the i915 from what I see here. Thus the attraction of the asrock 4x4 series for workstations. The onboard realtek(s) is what make me hesitate when considering a purchase.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Se þe micele welan hæfþ, he him ondræt monigne feond.
He who has great riches dreads many an enemy.
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Hey Benny!

if you had a 8k monitor ?, or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram
and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

How about an ASRock 4X4 BOX-4800U instead? On the minus side the two realteks are a bother but since the target is a desktop this is less of an issue given that on the plus side it is capable of producing 16 penguins on bootup. From my perspective the 16 penguins trumps the realteks and perhaps will convince the realteks to behave themselves.

Also it is quad monitor capable and is reasonably priced. If I had to decide today this one would be the winner.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne mæg werig mod wyrde wiðstondan, ne se hreo hyge helpe gefremman.
A weary mind cannot withstand fate, nor a sad heart offer help.
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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 2021 02:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

no freebsd devils either :=)

I like that little guy. I believe it is the best logo ever no matter what distribution.

maybe gentoo framebuffering works still, with gentoo themes border :)

if you had a 8k monitor ?,

Not yet.

wiz

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

pn51 is limited to 32, but imho better to windows then pn50

and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

I saw an asrock one like that except on a 4"x4" motherboard installed
in a cube not much bigger than the motherboard. Tiny ones like that would free up some much needed space. As for 4 monitors, I doubt
they'd see much use. 2 maybe and if so then I'd go for the gold and
buy the best I could find.

only problem with this is that pn50 is still under 65 watt, while above is over

That is highly unlikely to happen in the near future. In the meantime I'll be happy with what I have ... unless of course Santa decides to
show me some love for a change and then the sky is the limit.

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times with
15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the whole
danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from
danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hello Gerrit!

23 Dec 2021 12:15, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet,
but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.

will freebsd run well on them ?

using gentoo-kernel-bin here with full uefi support, still will redo it
with a m.2 drive, current is a 2.5" ssd, only choiced this to be
more easy to recovery it


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hi Benny,

On 2021-12-26 12:29:38, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times
with 15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the
whole danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

We in the Netherlands didn't notice a thing...?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hey Benny!

only problem with this is that pn50 is still under 65 watt,
while above is over

Says the guy who wants four 8k monitors. ;-)

You are right though. The AC/DC brick it comes with can handle up to 90 watts. I am sure the 16 penguins are going to want their fair share when they require it. The same situation would exist on the pn50 if it would have supported the 4800u, which it doesn't.

Given the target you specified, the additional wattage would be well spent methinks. As for 4 8k monitors I doubt that is doable (at this writing) no matter which system is to be deployed. 4 4k monitors, although I'd be happy with 1 ... I think ... 2 at most.

most was limited to the connected cable to holland from danmark,
while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

You have a weird sense of humour.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Treow sceal on eorle, wisdom on were.
Loyalty belongs in a warrior, wisdom in a man.
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Hello Benny!

26 Dec 21 12:37, Benny Pedersen wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet,
but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.

will freebsd run well on them ?

Havn't tried. Intended for use with MX.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Wilfred!

26 Dec 2021 13:54, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Hi Benny,

On 2021-12-26 12:29:38, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times
with 15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the
whole danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from
danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

We in the Netherlands didn't notice a thing...?

good backup from danmark then :=)

it happende 22:00 and 22:15 danish time

i seldom have seen it happen, but i could see it was low voltage
problem, nearly all things here shuts down as it was wanted, when
the power was back my android tv turned back on as it was a
planeed power on, hmm

its dokumented on http energinet.dk search for power outtages


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)
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