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Alexander Koryagin
Hi, All!
Bye, All!
Alexander Koryagin
Welcome back.... :-)
Can see your message.
as I see now, the gate news.dewy.ru has eaten my
messages for some time
Tommi's gate is working well.
BTW, have you seen my messages about barrels of apples
and Cinderella's ashes? ;-)
BTW, have you seen my messages about barrels of apples and Cinderella's ashes?
;-)
BTW, have you seen my messages about barrels of apples and
Cinderella's ashes? ;-)
No, but they sound quite intriguing. Can you repost them?
At first Bender decided to upset the Koreyko's balance
and make him nervous. And he sent him some telegrams,
like this:
"LOAD ORANGES IN BARRELS"
It sounds confusing and crazy in Russian, and I have
thought for a long time it is crazy in English too.
But all of a sudden I heard on American TV like this:
"Bad apple spoils barrel".
Aha, I thought, now I know where they load apples in
barrels, not baskets, and probably they load oranges
in the same way, too. So, Bender probably knew some
English. ;-)
At first Bender decided to upset the Koreyko's balance and make
him nervous. And he sent him some telegrams, like this:
"LOAD ORANGES IN BARRELS"
It sounds confusing and crazy in Russian, and I have thought for a
long time it is crazy in English too.
Perhaps Bender meant this stuff to come across as a riddle, a
secret code, and/or the ravings of a madman in order to upset
Koreyko? :-)
But all of a sudden I heard on American TV like this:
"Bad apple spoils barrel".
Aha, I thought, now I know where they load apples in barrels, not
baskets, and probably they load oranges in the same way, too. So,
Bender probably knew some English. ;-)
... even if he did the expression may simply not translate well. I
first heard it as a teenager when it was clearly being used in a metaphorical sense to refer to one of my fellow students. The way I
heard it was "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel [i.e. the whole
kit & kaboodle]".
Years ago hand-picked fruits & vegetables were loaded into baskets,
then transferred to wooden crates or barrels for shipping
elsewhere. Grocery stores often displayed their wares in such containers... whereas nowadays you would be more likely to eee
cardboard cartons used for this purpose. But the principle is the
same: a rotten piece of fruit can easily infect others.: - Q
Years ago hand-picked fruits & vegetables were loaded into
baskets, then transferred to wooden crates or barrels for
shipping elsewhere. Grocery stores often displayed their
wares in such containers... whereas nowadays you would be
more likely to see cardboard cartons used for this purpose.
But the principle is the same: a rotten piece of fruit can
easily infect others. :-Q
Although it is strange a bit when you put next| a bit strange
"wooden crates/barrels". Crates have gaps between planks and
fruits feel better in such condition. But if we put apples
(or oranges) into a barrel... IMHO it is a bad idea. ;)
Hello,
just testing the area.
I don't se the messages poosted from my fidonet AKA
in some recent days .
I don't se the messages poosted from my fidonet AKAI see you.
in some recent days .
I don't see the messages posted from my fidonet
AKA in some recent days .
Hi & welcome (back), Gleb! Recently you wrote in a message to All:
I don't see the messages posted from my fidonetI don't see them either, but I do see this one.... :-)
AKA in some recent days .
Seems everyone can see posts from this origin.
I've never used news readers before and it feels
waaay less convenient than good old FTN-style readers
(like GoldED).
So I believe it's OK if I hang around here for a while
... :-)
Seems everyone can see posts from this origin.Uh-huh. Although not everyone has answered, I find Tommi's system (2:221/6 etc.) to be quite reliable. :-)
I've never used news readers before and it feelsHaving never used either, I agree that Tommi would probably
waaay less convenient than good old FTN-style readers
(like GoldED).
be able to give you better answers than I would because he understands
his own system.
So I believe it's OK if I hang around here for a whileI don't know if you're using your real name... but now I
... :-)
see you're from Russia (as I'd suspected). People from all countries
are welcome in this echo, and as long as you continue to mind your
manners & focus on the study of English I have no objection to your "hanging around" here for a while.... :-)
It was just a matter of habit for me, because actually
news readers are similarly easy to use. I deliberately
chose a text-mode one, for some reason I avoid using GUI
readers/editors for corresponding in fidonet. :-)
BTW is it okay to use "hang around" without seeming a
bit too "informal", or should I have said "stay"? :-)
It was just a matter of habit for me, because actuallyGreat choice for FidoNet, where GUI is an anachronism, but
news readers are similarly easy to use. I deliberately
chose a text-mode one, for some reason I avoid using GUI
readers/editors for corresponding in fidonet. :-)
why are you not hard-wrapping your text at 72 charachters
per line or thereabout?
BTW is it okay to use "hang around" without seeming aSurely /to hang around/ is informal unless the speaker be a
bit too "informal", or should I have said "stay"? :-)
bat or a sloth (the three-toed variety).
Because I ecently asked abbout this "issue" in ru.golded and a
few peopletold me it woulddn't be a good idea to hard-wrap
lines to afixed value, andd there's no such option in GoldED's
config eiter. I know ??thaat Vim can do it (as I type this
text) and his is what I thhought GoldED was capable of doing as
well. Howeer, it can only auto-wrap ??text in view mode. If
you can se up your news reeader to do the same it would solve
the issue with extra-long lines.
few peopletold me itIt is really not a good
woulddn't be a good idea
to hard-wrap lines to
afixed value, andd
there's no such option in
GoldED's config eiter.
idea. There are a lot of
people with small narrow
displays and long lines
allow them read paragraphs
correctly. Paragraphs with
hard-wraps look badly in
that case.
but why are you not hard-wrapping your text at 72
charachters per line or thereabout?
I don't know if there's even a strict rule or guideline
that prescribes to do so.
Or is there something in FTSC conventions addressing
this?
I recently asked about this "issue" in ru.golded and a
few people told me it wouldn't be a good idea to hard-
wrap lines to a fixed value, and there's no such option
in GoldED's config either.
I know that Vim can do it (as I type this text) and this
is what I thought GoldED was capable of doing as well.
If you can set up your news reader to do the same it
would solve the issue with extra-long lines.
BTW is it okay to use "hang around" without seeming a
bit too "informal", or should I have said "stay"? :-)
Surely /to hang around/ is informal unless the speaker
be a bat or a sloth (the three-toed variety).
Oh, you be too smart. :-) Snakes can also hang upside
down, and some monkeys, and possums too.
There are a lot of people with small narrow displays and
long lines allow them read paragraphs correctly.
Paragraphs with hard-wraps look badly in that case.
Or is there something in FTSC conventions addressing
this?
I will have to look it up.
few peopletold me it
woulddn't be a good idea
to hard-wrap lines to
afixed value, andd
there's no such option in
GoldED's config eiter.
It is really not a goodExactly how small and narrow?
idea. There are a lot of
people with small narrow
displays and long lines
allow them read paragraphs
correctly. Paragraphs with
hard-wraps look badly in
that case.
Are there so many users that
can not set their terminal
window width at least at 80
columns? Do you know any of
??them personally? Maybe someone
who uses a Commodore or a ZX
Spectrum?
This is how our msgs would
appear formatted to fit a
Speccy screen. :-)
There area lot of people with small narrow displays andFollowing BSes, FidoNet sooftware assumed the user had at
long line allow them readd paragraphs correctly.
Paragraph with hard-wrapss look badly in that case.
least the tandard ISO screeen, that is 80x24 characters.
All modernvideocards suppoort that textmode, and all modern
displays hve good-enough rresolution to display an
80-character line of text.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646
I for one invariable use hard-wrapped text because it is
beautiful, device-independent, and widely supported by
clients and text editors. It guarrantees my text looks the
way I wrote it.
I know that Vim can do it (as I type this text) and thisVim is in fact specifically /designed/ to work with with
is what I thought GoldED was capable of doing as well.
hard-wrapped text, whereas configuring it for soft wrapping
takes extra effort and even then is not as comfortable.
If you can set up your news reader to do the same itMy newsreader is already wrappeing long lines, but it does
would solve the issue with extra-long lines.
not help. They are too wide, forcing me to squeeze the
window to get a comfortable line length.
This is how our msgs would appear formatted to fit a
Speccy screen. :-)
I meant that when all paragraphs are sent as
long lines they don't need formatting at all
and look good at any device.
All linefeeds, 0AH, should be ignored. Systems which
display message text should wrap long lines to suit their
application.
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)
All linefeeds, 0AH, should be ignored. Systems whichBecause it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)
display message text should wrap long lines to suit their
application.
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)
Right, but there is no such discrepancy in BBS, Usenet, or
e-mail. Have you a been a long time in Fidonet, has it
always (or at least since 1995) used soft-wrapped text?
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)
There are a few documents formatted for printing, obviously, hence the justified paragraphs. The rest of them are mostly 70 cols.
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>
Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)
There are a few documents formatted for printing, obviously,From FTA-1002 (Document Submission and Publication Standard):
hence the justified paragraphs. The rest of them are mostly 70
cols.
3.2 Document Formatting
Right, but there is no such discrepancy in BBS, Usenet, orI started as a point in 1992. I mostly used FrontDoor's editor (FM)
e-mail. Have you a been a long time in Fidonet, has it
always (or at least since 1995) used soft-wrapped text?
and timEd. Both support(ed) long lines and wrapped text.
BTW is it okay to use "hang around" without seeming a bit
too "informal", or should I have said "stay"? :-)
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