Maybe our honorable teachers can give a homework
for us?
Do you have school tests on Grammar rules etc?
Perhaps, it would be fun to make them out.
Maybe our honorable teachers can give a homework for us?Ahh. There's an invitation I can't refuse... [chuckle].
Homework, BTW, is not countable but homework assignments are.
Do you have school tests on Grammar rules etc?
Tests, no. A grade 9/10 grammar textbook which includes questions,
yes. I may be able to get some ideas from it. Meanwhile:
Perhaps, it would be fun to make them out.I hope you enjoy the above.... :-))
Homework, BTW, is not countable but homework assignments
are.
A good piece of information. ;-)
"Etc." is an abbreviation which calls for a period, but
you're also asking a question here. AFAIC it's okay to
use a period followed by a question mark in such cases.
But when I asked my question with "etc" I didn't use
quotes, did I?
So my quostion was correct?|question
Another sentence can be:
Do you have a special rule on "etc."?
Also: AFAIK
Homework, BTW, is not countable but homework assignments are.
A good piece of information.
Glad you found it useful....
"Etc." is an abbreviation which calls for a period, but you're
also asking a question here. AFAIC it's okay to use a period
followed by a question mark in such cases.
But when I asked my question with "etc" I didn't use quotes, did
I?
No, you didn't. Perhaps my response was confusing... but I see you
know how to employ them in making reference to a word or an
abbreviation.
So my question was correct?Looking at the punctuation, I'd have written:
Do you have school tests on grammar rules etc.?
Another sentence can be: Do you have a special rule on "etc."?
Yes, that works. And no, I don't. I understand native speakers of
English find it easier to get the letters in the right order,
however, if they know "etc." is short for "et" (and) + "cetera"
(the rest)....
Also: AFAIK
Uh-huh. AFAIC & AFAIK are similar but not identical.
AFAIC = As Far As I'm Concerned, meaning I am stating an opinion or personal preference. (While I've seen no evidence of it myself I
imagine some folks might argue that because the periods are often
left out of various other abbreviations nowadays they can leave out
the period with "etc." too. And not evverybody agrees about how to
handle end punctuation in various cases). :-))
It's shame for me that I am so lazy and don't ask
you for more. :)
Maybe because of my melancholic mood last time.
Looking at the punctuation, I'd have written:
Do you have school tests on grammar rules etc.?
I'll try to remember it. Once upon a time I wanted
very much to learn English punctuation. ;)
Do you have a special rule on "etc."?
If I say that question verbally, should I mention
the full stop after "etc"?
(While I've seen no evidence of it myself I imagine some
folks might argue that because the periods are often left
out of various other abbreviations nowadays they can leave
out the period with "etc." too. And not evverybody agrees
about how to handle end punctuation in various cases).
Does AFAIC mean "As for me"? For instance, "AFAIC, I never
read yellow press".
Can you pluralize these words?
I will not ask Google. ;)
tooth _teeth_
lens _it is the plural form_
cactus _cactuses_ (although I vaguely remember there also
is another form). But my variant is also correct, is it?
goose _geese_
moose (a new word for me) _the same form in plural_
mouse _mice_
brother-in-law _brothers-in-law_
wife _wives_
woman _women_
index _indexes_
memorandum _memorandums_
millennium _millenniums_
While many sources regard "period" & "full stop" as
synonymous, BTW, my inclination is to think of a period
as a punctuation mark (.) which is used in various ways
but may be called a "full stop" at the end of a
sentence.
I'm very careful to make such distinctions in my own
writing.
However, it seems I am often overruled because double
spacing isn't allowed in programming jargon.
While it try to make my writing understandable to my
audience, I am constantly thwarted by programmers who
believe they can make it more efficient... (sigh).
It's shame for me that I am so lazy and don't ask you for more.
Your usual pace is about right for me. I often wish I could answer
more messages, but there are only so many hours in a day.: - Q
While many sources regard "period" & "full stop" as synonymous,
BTW, my inclination is to think of a period as a punctuation mark
(.) which is used in various ways but may be called a "full stop"
at the end of a sentence. I'm very careful to make such
distinctions in my own writing. However, it seems I am often
overruled because double spacing isn't allowed in programming
jargon. While it try to make my writing understandable to my
audience, I am constantly thwarted by programmers who believe they
can make it more efficient... (sigh).
(While I've seen no evidence of it myself I imagine some folks
might argue that because the periods are often left out of various
other abbreviations nowadays they can leave out the period
with "etc." too. And not evverybody agrees about how to handle end
punctuation in various cases).
While many sources regard "period" & "full stop" as synonymous,
BTW, my inclination is to think of a period as a punctuation mark
(.) which is used in various ways but may be called a "full stop"
at the end of a sentence.
This distiction between the punctuation character and one of its
functions is very useful, do hold on fast to it.
I'm very careful to make such distinctions in my own writing.
I wish I did, too. We must strive to use words that best express
the tints, shades, and nuaces of our intended meaning, lest we lose
those fine niceties -- first from our thoughts, and then from our language.
I often wish I could answer more messages, but there
are only so many hours in a day. :-Q
Probably I could ask more if were a retiree.
But it will not be soon. Putin doesn't have money to pay
pensions, and he decided to rise the retirement age. ;-)
In the Russian language we have the rule that no additional|shortened
full stop is put at the end of the sentence where the last
word is a shorten word with a period.
But if you see logical and correct "etc.?"
In the Russian language we have the rule that no additional|shortened
full stop is put at the end of the sentence where the last
word is a shorten word with a period.
----- The end of the citation -----In the Russian language we have the rule that no additional full|shortened
stop is put at the end of the sentence where the last word is a
shorten word with a period.
Ah. I follow patterns, not rules... but this makes sense to me. The
period can do double duty at the end of a sentence. In E_T we often
talk about spelling, punctuation, grammar, etc. And I use the
traditional double space at the end of a sentence to reinforce the
idea that I've come to a full stop.
While many sources regard "period" & "full stop" as
synonymous, BTW, my inclination is to think of a period
as a punctuation mark (.) which is used in various ways
but may be called a "full stop" at the end of a sentence.
This distiction between the punctuation character and one
of its functions is very useful, do hold on fast to it.
We must strive to use words that best express the tints,
shades, and nuaces of our intended meaning, lest we lose
those fine niceties -- first from our thoughts, and then
from our language.
However, it seems I am often overruled because double
spacing isn't allowed in programming jargon.
Do you mean double spacing between sentences?
*roff -- the oldest and nerdiest document-formatting
system -- has natural support for it.
It was desinged and implemented by die-hard UNIXoids.
As my boss told a colleague who asked me to help her
with transation into English, "Anton is much better
at translating from Russian into C#."
I know very few programmers who care about their (natural)
language and have a taste for prose.
Their attempts to refactor (to use programming jargon)
your text may destroy it. But their optionion of what
is said wrong and unclear is often correct, only the
writer should be the one to make amendments!
Do you mean double spacing between sentences?
Yes. Opinions are divided nowadays WRT the issue, but
it matters to me because my audience in E_T includes many people
who are not native speakers of English & for whom the added white
space could be helpful. I hear from the employees at the bank &
other local businesses that they often feel frustrated because
whoever compiled the software they're using has never done
*their* job .. and I find myself in much the same position. Yes,
I know what others mean either way. Like you, however, I don't
give up on traditional methods without learning how they worked &
how they might still be of use to us.
Years ago my parents taught me to "reduce, re-use, and recycle"
before we had a slogan like that to induce whomever to accept
what their elders could have told them. :-Q
Life was slower in the past, and many technical innovations were
gained not so much by disciplined engineering and research, but by
hard and painful trial and error, like groping in the dark, through several generations of masters and craftsmen. Thomas Eddison wrote
about his method that failure is the discovery another of way that
does not work. This approach is not always inferrior in that in can
lead to inventions that modern engineers, going by the more direct
route, overlook.
I thought for a long time what had you meant by "double
space at the end of a sentence" because my qouter removes
double spaces. ;-)
I thought for a long time what had you meant by "double space at
the end of a sentence" because my qouter removes double spaces.
I had suspected as much. In Fidonet we don't always know what other people's software will do until we see it happen. But your idea of
posting an excerpt seems to work quite well if you want to keep the original spacing.
If you &/or your quoter prefer not to use the double space, I
accept that when the results are consistent...
as they are in this example. But from my POV it's annoying when my software will accept a double space in the middle of a line but try
to correct it if I use it near the end of a line. No matter how I
adjust the settings, it has its own ideas about line wrapping...
(sigh).
If you &/or your quoter prefer not to use the double space,
I accept that when the results are consistent...
It is the specifics of my quoter.
My quoter can format the text to a formatted form with an
aligned right margin, and in this case additional spaces
are OK. Vice versa it removes additional spaces and line
returns when I want long line paragraphs.
I remember you like to write your messages in the formatted
form with the aligned right margin.
It means the text alignment is turned on in your editor.
If you &/or your quoter prefer not to use the double space, I
accept that when the results are consistent...
It is the specifics of my quoter.
But you generally follow the same pattern in your own writing. :-))
When HarperCollins first approached me to write the foreword to Sterling's little book, I must admit that I was more than a bit----- The end of the citation -----
taken aback. Not quite aghast, but definitely shocked, For one
thing, Sterling has never been much of a reader. In fact, to the
best of my knowledge, the only things he ever read growing up were pornographic comic books (we used to call them "Tijuana bibles,"
but I'm sure that's no longer considered polite, what with all
these immigrants driving around everywhere in their lowriders, listening to raps and shooting all the jobs). So the thought of Sterling writing an actual book? With words? Yes, I was definitely shocked.
When HarperCollins first approached me to write the foreword to
Sterling's little book, I must admit that I was more than a bit
taken aback. Not quite aghast, but definitely shocked, For one
thing, Sterling has never been much of a reader. In fact, to the
best of my knowledge, the only things he ever read growing up were pornographic comic books (we used to call them "Tijuana bibles,"
but I'm sure that's no longer considered polite, what with all
these immigrants driving around everywhere in their lowriders,
listening to raps and shooting all the jobs). So the thought of
Sterling writing an actual book? With words? Yes, I was definitely shocked.
In the light of what Wiki has to say about the history of spacing
in English, however, I now realize the tendency to employ single
spacing within & between sentences originated with the advent of mass-market publications.
I remember you like to write your messages in the formatted formI align the right margin for various reasons, one of which is that
with the aligned right margin.
I don't want the computer to muck around with my spacing. I've
learned over the years that when I fill every line my software
won't try to improve on it. But of course I have no control over
what other people's software will do....: - Q
It means the text alignment is turned on in your editor.
No, it means I'm an old schoolteacher for whom readability is of
far more importance than what's au courant or what others might do
to save a buck. When I look at material intended for beginning
readers I notice the spacing is consistent but the right margin is variable. In such cases the paragraphs are usually very short. At
some point I gather more fluent readers may prefer the right
margins to be consistent, even at the expense of consistency in
spacing.
Remember the book about witchcraft that the doctor shows
to the heroine in Suspiria? It has that double spacing
between sentences, and it looks good!
Life was slower in the past,
and many technical innovations were gained not so
much by disciplined engineering and research, but
by hard and painful trial and error, like groping
in the dark, through several generations of masters
and craftsmen.
Thomas Eddison wrote about his method that failure
is the discovery another of way that does not work.
This approach is not always inferrior in that in can
lead to inventions that modern engineers, going by
the more direct route, overlook.
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