What monument has been taken down?

For the last 8 years there have been demolished hundreds of monuments to
Red Army soldiers who saved the world from German Nazi.

I'm sure you are aware I am sure that there were many allied countries fighting the nazi's.

Everyday many monuments are vandalized,

What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what you are talking about.

the veteran Hitlerite collaborators are now proudly march along the streets in Ukraine and Baltic states. The current authority of this states discriminates everything connected with Russian people.

There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv
recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and
Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian
invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between
Russia and Ukraine.

You think too good about them,

Why should I think bad of them?

and it is not your guilt that you know nothing about the war with Red Army WW2 monuments.

I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought the nazi's and suffered much loss.

That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is
untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

Every of these states has a policy when a particular nation
discriminates other nations.

You have a rather severe victim malady. Russia is not such a victim.

Once when you declare your country is for one "correct" nation only you are
a Nazi. Every nation should have equal rights in every country of the world.

Ukraine and the other states you mention have no policy "against" Russia and they are not nazi states. They are against Russia's current war. That does not make them nazi's.

The most indicative is the fact that they have not been so anxious for
the last 8 years of the Donbass siege. The coup in Kiev in 2014 was
directed against Russia and it was an indulgence to whatever neo-Nazi
did in Donbass.

There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych went against the will of the people.

PS: Are you an Ukrainian?

No. I come from European stock, but not Ukrainian as far as I know.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 17.05.2022 18:19

AI>>> What monument has been taken down?
ak>> For the last 8 years there have been demolished hundreds of
ak>> monuments to Red Army soldiers who saved the world from German
ak>> Nazi.

AI> I'm sure you are aware I am sure that there were many allied
AI> countries fighting the nazi's.

ak>> Everyday many monuments are vandalized,

AI> What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what
AI> you are talking about.

If you think that Russians like to collect such videos you are mistaken.
Just believe me that they extremely hate exactly the fallen Red Army
soldiers and glorify national Nazi collaborators. The current situation
with Ukraine is just a pretext, and the situation was the same before
the Ukrainian events.

ak>> the veteran Hitlerite collaborators are now proudly march along
ak>> the streets in Ukraine and Baltic states. The current authority of
ak>> this states discriminates everything connected with Russian
ak>> people.

AI> There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you
AI> mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

Every year you can see the marches of those old guys, whereas the
monuments to Red Army soldiers are removed shamelessly. For every symbol
of the USSR victory you will be fined.

AI> The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's
AI> invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

Don't mix the notions. A Nazi doctrine is always based on the supremacy
of a particular nation in a particular country. Like "Ukraine is for a Ukrainian nation". Fascism is a totalitarian style of power -- it can be
in any country. Besides, fascism is also exists in Ukraine now -- all
the opposition was accused in connections with Russia and banned.

AI>>> I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv
AI>>> recently that was something about the friendship between Russia
AI>>> and Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the
AI>>> Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship
AI>>> between Russia and Ukraine.

ak>> You think too good about them,
AI> Why should I think bad of them?

They burned people alive during WW2, they did it in 2014, they have been shelling Donbass for 8 years. They want to treat Russians in Ukraine as
a conquered nation.

ak>>> and it is not your guilt that you know nothing about the war with
ak>>> Red Army WW2 monuments.

AI> I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the
AI> nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought
AI> the nazi's and suffered much loss.

The modern Ukraine heroes fought on Hitler side, it is not a secret.

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ak>> The most indicative is the fact that they have not been so anxious
ak>> for the last 8 years of the Donbass siege. The coup in Kiev in
ak>> 2014 was directed against Russia and it was an indulgence to
ak>> whatever neo-Nazi did in Donbass.

AI> There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych
AI> went against the will of the people.

Yanukovich had tens of millions supporters and he was removed exactly by
a coup. Now these people are intimidated and they are afraid to tell
anything against the current Ukraine regime. Soon we see the real state
of things -- whom those people will blame for distraction of their land
-- fucking unwanted defenders from the nationalistic battalions or the liberators from the defenders. It probably will be fun.

Bye, Alan!
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What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what
you are talking about.

If you think that Russians like to collect such videos you are mistaken.

I am not asking you to collect videos. I am asking you what monuments are you talking about. You don't seem to have an answer.

Just believe me that they extremely hate exactly the fallen Red Army
soldiers and glorify national Nazi collaborators.

I can't "just believe". You are not believable. Give me a real life example.

The current situation with Ukraine is just a pretext, and the situation was the same before the Ukrainian events.

I know you want nazis, but you don't have any.

There are no Hitlerite collaborators in any of the sates you
mention. Why do you feel such a victim?

Every year you can see the marches of those old guys, whereas the
monuments to Red Army soldiers are removed shamelessly. For every symbol
of the USSR victory you will be fined.

You will be fined? Can you give me a real life example of this. It seems made up to fit your narrative.

The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and it's
invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.

Don't mix the notions. A Nazi doctrine is always based on the supremacy
of a particular nation in a particular country.

I am not mixing anything. Today Russia looks like a nazi state because of their invasion and attrocities commited.

Like "Ukraine is for a Ukrainian nation".

What are you trying to say? Do you find it hard to believe that Ukrainians live in Ukraine?

Fascism is a totalitarian style of power -- it can be in any country.

Indeed. Russia is not the only totalitarian state today.

Besides, fascism is also exists in Ukraine now -- all the opposition was accused in connections with Russia and banned.

There are fascists and nazis in every country, including Russia. Let's hope that they don't increase in numbers.

Why should I think bad of them?

They burned people alive during WW2, they did it in 2014, they have been shelling Donbass for 8 years. They want to treat Russians in Ukraine as
a conquered nation.

Many people in Ukraine have Russian heritage and language but they are in Ukraine and they are Ukrainian (those that were born there). Russian are not a conquered nation in Ukraine. Russia came to Ukraine to conquer Ukraine.

I know that Russia suffered much loss in WW2 at the hands of the
nazi's. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time and they also fought
the nazi's and suffered much loss.

The modern Ukraine heroes fought on Hitler side, it is not a secret.

That is a lie. Ukraine is not a nazi state and never fought on Hitlers side, Ukrainians are not nazis. That is russian propaganda.

There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych
went against the will of the people.

Yanukovich had tens of millions supporters and he was removed exactly by
a coup.

It was a popular uprising. The people didn't want him as their leader so they ousted him. The people of Ukrain don't want Russia or Putin either as we can see clearly today.

Now these people are intimidated and they are afraid to tell
anything against the current Ukraine regime.

Ukrainians are not intimidated and can speak their mind as we saw in 2014.

Don't confuse Russians (who are afraid to speak their minds or the truth) with Ukrainians.

Soon we see the real state of things -- whom those people will blame for distraction of their land -- fucking unwanted defenders from the nationalistic battalions or the liberators from the defenders. It probably will be fun.

We can already see the real state of things. It's very clear what the Ukrainians want, and what they don't want.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 19.05.2022 15:23

AI>>> What monuments? Give me an idea so I can look it up and see what
AI>>> you are talking about.
ak>> If you think that Russians like to collect such videos you are
ak>> mistaken.

AI> I am not asking you to collect videos. I am asking you what
AI> monuments are you talking about. You don't seem to have an answer.

I can't even count the messages like this. But of course you cannot see
them in your media space.

https://ria.ru/20220519/obelisk-1789404542.html

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ak>> Every year you can see the marches of those old guys, whereas the
ak>> monuments to Red Army soldiers are removed shamelessly. For every
ak>> symbol of the USSR victory you will be fined.

AI> You will be fined? Can you give me a real life example of this. It
AI> seems made up to fit your narrative.

Should I give you police protocols? Or the laws according to which even carrying photos of WW2 Soviet soldiers is a crime in the Baltic states?

AI>>> The closest thing to a nazi today in the Russian Federtion and
AI>>> it's invasion of Ukraine, although it's different.
ak>> Don't mix the notions. A Nazi doctrine is always based on the
ak>> supremacy of a particular nation in a particular country.

AI> I am not mixing anything. Today Russia looks like a nazi state
AI> because of their invasion and attrocities commited.

Russia isn't going to make Russians as a supreme nation in Ukraine, as
Nazi Germans wanted in WW2, it's a lie. But Ukrainian nationalists
really crossed the road of millions of the Russian speaking population
in Ukraine and it must be ended.

ak>> Like "Ukraine is for a Ukrainian nation".
AI> What are you trying to say? Do you find it hard to believe that
AI> Ukrainians live in Ukraine?

You should think of Ukraine as about Switzerland, for instance. None of Switzerland nations has a right to declare the state as a unilateral one nation state with one language. It would be a fucking Nazi nonsense, as
it had happened in Ukraine.

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AI> Many people in Ukraine have Russian heritage and language but they
AI> are in Ukraine and they are Ukrainian (those that were born there).
AI> Russian are not a conquered nation in Ukraine. Russia came to
AI> Ukraine to conquer Ukraine.

The last sentence is a complete propaganda rubbish. Russia came into
Ukraine to force it to stop to do the things it must not do. Ukraine
could avoid all the today's havoc, but unfortunately it had to much
weapons and extremist politicians to do it voluntarily.

<skipped>
AI>>> There was no coup. There was a popular uprising when Yanukovych
AI>>> went against the will of the people.

I wonder why the Trump's supporters, who stormed the Capitol, were not
called popular uprising participants. ;-)

ak>> Now these people are intimidated and they are afraid to tell
ak>> anything against the current Ukraine regime.

AI> Ukrainians are not intimidated and can speak their mind as we saw
AI> in 2014.

I have another information. In Ukraine it is dangerous for life even to
speak anything in favour of the Russian language and rights of the
Russian population. Nationalists even created a site in the Internet
where they put people's addresses who should be attacked for their thoughts.

ak>> Soon we see the real state of things -- whom those people will
ak>> blame for distraction of their land -- fucking unwanted defenders
ak>> from the nationalistic battalions or the liberators from the
ak>> defenders. It probably will be fun.

AI> We can already see the real state of things. It's very clear what
AI> the Ukrainians want, and what they don't want.

The people in eastern Ukraine will decide how to live -- in Ukraine or
not. I personally don't understand how they can leave together after 8
years bloodshed and humiliation.

Bye, Alan!
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alexander koryagin wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

I can't even count the messages like this. But of course you cannot see them in your media space.

https://ria.ru/20220519/obelisk-1789404542.html

Lots of them huh? Why do you think that would happen?

Is it the invasion of Ukraine? I don't know the article doesn't say.

AI> You will be fined? Can you give me a real life example of this. It
AI> seems made up to fit your narrative.

Should I give you police protocols? Or the laws according to which even carrying photos of WW2 Soviet soldiers is a crime in the Baltic states?

No, just explain to me what you are talking about. The above sounds like a mischaracterization.

AI> I am not mixing anything. Today Russia looks like a nazi state
AI> because of their invasion and attrocities commited.

Russia isn't going to make Russians as a supreme nation in Ukraine, as Nazi Germans wanted in WW2, it's a lie.

That is exactly what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

But Ukrainian nationalists really crossed the road of millions of
the Russian speaking population in Ukraine and it must be ended.

People in Ukraine are free to speak Ukrainian, Russian, English or any language they choose. It is the invasion of Ukraine that must end.

You should think of Ukraine as about Switzerland, for instance. None of Switzerland nations has a right to declare the state as a unilateral
one nation state with one language. It would be a fucking Nazi
nonsense, as it had happened in Ukraine.

It is not suprising that Ukrainians speak Ukrainian in Ukraine, is it? Many Ukrainians speak Russian as their mother tongue. It is no crime.

You seem to think Ukrainians should speak Russian in Ukraine?

The last sentence is a complete propaganda rubbish. Russia came into Ukraine to force it to stop to do the things it must not do.

Like what?

Ukraine could avoid all the today's havoc, but unfortunately it had to much weapons and extremist politicians to do it voluntarily.

What are you talking about? It is Russia that has too many extremist politicians and weapons. Ukraine is no threat to Russia. Ukraine made no threats to Russia.

It is Russia that invaded Ukraine and fired their weapons at Ukraine.

AI> Ukrainians are not intimidated and can speak their mind as we saw
AI> in 2014.

I have another information. In Ukraine it is dangerous for life even to speak anything in favour of the Russian language and rights of the
Russian population. Nationalists even created a site in the Internet
where they put people's addresses who should be attacked for their thoughts.

What is the site, where can I find it?

The people in eastern Ukraine will decide how to live -- in Ukraine or not. I personally don't understand how they can leave together after 8 years bloodshed and humiliation.

Not everyone in the east wanted bloodshed. Most simply wanted to live in peace.

What humiliation? why do you use that word?


Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 11:48

AI>> Ukrainians are not intimidated and can speak their mind as we saw
AI>> in 2014.

ak>> I have another information. In Ukraine it is dangerous for life
ak>> even to speak anything in favour of the Russian language and
ak>> rights of the Russian population. Nationalists even created a site
ak>> in the Internet where they put people's addresses who should be
ak>> attacked for their thoughts.

AI> What is the site, where can I find it?

You will find it if you want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets

ak>> The people in eastern Ukraine will decide how to live -- in
ak>> Ukraine or not. I personally don't understand how they can leave
ak>> together after 8 years bloodshed and humiliation.

AI> Not everyone in the east wanted bloodshed. Most simply wanted to
AI> live in peace.

AI> What humiliation? why do you use that word?

If you cut off a food supply, if you shell people for 8 years -- how it
can be called?

Bye, Alan!
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What is the site, where can I find it?

You will find it if you want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets

Looks like they are on to you.

What humiliation? why do you use that word?

If you cut off a food supply, if you shell people for 8 years -- how it
can be called?

True, this is what Russia has been doing in the Donbass for many years.

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