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  • WiFi hotspot BBS?

    From Cykros@VERT to All on Fri Jan 14 03:55:23 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 02:36 am

    So, I've had this idea for awhile, and figure it should be fairly doable, though I don't particularly know where to begin in figuring out how to make work. One thing I think that is lacking both in the BBS world and the internet in general these days is good local communication channels (they're there, just not nearly as widely used as they were back in the pre-internet bbs days). Getting the inspiration from wifi hotspots that send you automatically to a local web page as a portal when a browser is directed anywhere, I came up with the idea of setting up a BBS to connect this day through an external program (as much as I appreciate ftelnet, and would probably use it as a backup option, it's just not the same experience). Whi I'm sure with enough digging I could probably figure it out on my own (and m still anyway), I figured this may be something other people might be interested in doing, and thus is worth asking about on here for ideas on how to set it up, and any other concerns that may arise out of this type of setu I'm not entirely sure this echo is where it would best go (as this wifi hotspot need not actually route people to the internet at all), but I figure it was close, and meanwhile may help the place seem more "lived in" as other people have put it. Anyway, let me know if you have ideas about setting thi kind of thing up. It even seems like the type of thing that releasing a fairly easy to install package may be worthwhile with.

    (Oh, and for those of you who don't think this would bring in enough users t be worthwhile, consider that I'm posting from inside Boston...college studen everywhere with laptops, wifi that is mostly available in any large apartmen area, and lots of people jumping on when they see free wifi. If nothing els the novelty seems like it'd be a draw enough to get things going, and would take no effort on the part of the users).

    Cykros

    Hello All

    One option I came across, though not all that elegant, would be setting up a DNS server that redirects all requests to the bbs (this would still be a web page, but a telnet:// link along with ftelnet wouldn't be the worst thing ever), and then set this DNS server up as the default on the wireless router.
    I say not all that elegant because by manually configuring their DNS client,
    an end user can just find themselves on the internet, rather than through this makeshift captive portal. On the other hand, if this isn't a big deal, then
    it seems a lot easier than the various captive portal software packages (most of which seem to have a specific aim that isn't this one) or fussing around with iptables and using an extra computer as the router. Just figured I'd
    throw in this update, and still welcome any ideas on how to do this more elegantly from anyone with the expertise.

    Cheers,
    Cykros
    s


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 07:25:13 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 02:36 am


    I like your idea. This reminded me of SF Net, a multi-node BBS in the early 90s that a sysop set up in San Francisco. He set up BBS kiosks in coffee shops around San Francisco, and people would go out to get a cuppa out at their favorite coffee shop and dial up to the BBS. Access from coffee shops was $1/15 minutes.

    You could still dial in from home, but my feeling was that a lot of the people who were on SFNet might not have had a modem/PC at home back then. That created a great vibe; They had more reach than your typical BBS, and had users who wouldn't typically have dialed into BBSes in a very eclectic town.

    Wayne hit on a great idea, tucked in right before the internet took over everything.

    An old news video from 1991 is on YouTube -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4IbiTsw6dI

    Back then, I ran a BBS next to a popular english pub/discussion salon. I thought about running a short-haul modem downstairs to the pub and setting up PubNet.

    I like the idea of a free wifi spot with a hook into a web BBS. Have you heard of FON? (http://www.fon.com) They sell wireless routers and directional antennas that allow you to run a hot spot (a 'FON spot') on your home connection. Users either pay for accessby the hour, or hop on for free if they're a fellow FON spot operator. You still have a protected wireless network, separate from the free network.

    You can either get a cut of the $$$ from people who use your connection, or get the privelige of hopping on other people's FON spots for free. If you live near a popular coffee shop or meeting place, you could potentially make some good money at it.

    On the FON spot redirection/landing page, you can put in a URL that a user can browse to for free - perfect for this BBS idea.

    They have some interesting little routers - one has a USB connection and can run bittorrent for you on the router, freeing up your PC. Check them out!

    --pF



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    realitycheckBBS | http://realitycheckbbs.org

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  • From zerwind@VERT/LOSTCRYP to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 10:44:07 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 03:55 am

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 02:36 am

    So, I've had this idea for awhile, and figure it should be fairly doable, though I don't particularly know where to begin in figuring out how to ma work.

    <snip>

    Hello All

    One option I came across, though not all that elegant, would be setting up a DNS server that redirects all requests to the bbs (this would still be a web page, but a telnet:// link along with ftelnet wouldn't be the worst thing ever), and then set this DNS server up as the default on the wireless router I say not all that elegant because by manually configuring their DNS client, an end user can just find themselves on the internet, rather than through th makeshift captive portal. On the other hand, if this isn't a big deal, then it seems a lot easier than the various captive portal software packages (mos of which seem to have a specific aim that isn't this one) or fussing around with iptables and using an extra computer as the router. Just figured I'd throw in this update, and still welcome any ideas on how to do this more elegantly from anyone with the expertise.

    Cheers,
    Cykros
    s



    Good morning

    I've been running that idea threw my head too, To setup an alturnative intreanet (not internet) threw wireless connection. Kinda like packet radio.
    any access point wifi units strong enough to cover a huge area and alot of traffic are very expencive new. Security was the biggest consern, It would be drawn to by the underground crew first off.
    I haven't thought about this for some time I was starting to dig around with the old packet radio setups and ka9q stuff for ideas to update stuff to
    modern day wifi setups.

    Again this is how to start by putting small bits and pieces togeter then working out the bugs. I can see this working and mail systems like fidonet working on this setup.

    zerwind

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  • From Corey@VERT/TSGC to zerwind on Fri Jan 14 11:04:58 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: zerwind to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 2011 10:44 am

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 03:55 am

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 02:36 am

    So, I've had this idea for awhile, and figure it should be fairly doab though I don't particularly know where to begin in figuring out how to work.

    <snip>

    Hello All

    One option I came across, though not all that elegant, would be setting u DNS server that redirects all requests to the bbs (this would still be a page, but a telnet:// link along with ftelnet wouldn't be the worst thing ever), and then set this DNS server up as the default on the wireless rou I say not all that elegant because by manually configuring their DNS clie an end user can just find themselves on the internet, rather than through makeshift captive portal. On the other hand, if this isn't a big deal, t it seems a lot easier than the various captive portal software packages ( of which seem to have a specific aim that isn't this one) or fussing arou with iptables and using an extra computer as the router. Just figured I'd throw in this update, and still welcome any ideas on how to do this more elegantly from anyone with the expertise.

    Cheers,
    Cykros
    s



    Good morning

    I've been running that idea threw my head too, To setup an alturnative intreanet (not internet) threw wireless connection. Kinda like packet radio.
    any access point wifi units strong enough to cover a huge area and alot of traffic are very expencive new. Security was the biggest consern, It would b drawn to by the underground crew first off.
    I haven't thought about this for some time I was starting to dig around wit the old packet radio setups and ka9q stuff for ideas to update stuff to modern day wifi setups.

    Again this is how to start by putting small bits and pieces togeter then working out the bugs. I can see this working and mail systems like fidonet working on this setup.

    zerwind


    geez, my droid acts as a wifi hotsopt now.

    "Practise safe Lunch, Use a Condiment"


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  • From zerwind@VERT/LOSTCRYP to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 17:38:18 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 03:55 am

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 02:36 am

    So, I've had this idea for awhile, and figure it should be fairly doable, though I don't particularly know where to begin in figuring out how to ma work. One thing I think that is lacking both in the BBS world and the internet in general these days is good local communication channels (they there, just not nearly as widely used as they were back in the pre-intern bbs days). Getting the inspiration from wifi hotspots that send you automatically to a local web page as a portal when a browser is directed anywhere, I came up with the idea of setting up a BBS to connect this day through an external program (as much as I appreciate ftelnet, and would probably use it as a backup option, it's just not the same experience). I'm sure with enough digging I could probably figure it out on my own (an still anyway), I figured this may be something other people might be interested in doing, and thus is worth asking about on here for ideas on to set it up, and any other concerns that may arise out of this type of s I'm not entirely sure this echo is where it would best go (as this wifi hotspot need not actually route people to the internet at all), but I fig it was close, and meanwhile may help the place seem more "lived in" as ot people have put it. Anyway, let me know if you have ideas about setting kind of thing up. It even seems like the type of thing that releasing a fairly easy to install package may be worthwhile with.

    (Oh, and for those of you who don't think this would bring in enough user be worthwhile, consider that I'm posting from inside Boston...college stu everywhere with laptops, wifi that is mostly available in any large apart area, and lots of people jumping on when they see free wifi. If nothing the novelty seems like it'd be a draw enough to get things going, and wou take no effort on the part of the users).

    Cykros

    Hello All

    One option I came across, though not all that elegant, would be setting up a DNS server that redirects all requests to the bbs (this would still be a web page, but a telnet:// link along with ftelnet wouldn't be the worst thing ever), and then set this DNS server up as the default on the wireless router I say not all that elegant because by manually configuring their DNS client, an end user can just find themselves on the internet, rather than through th makeshift captive portal. On the other hand, if this isn't a big deal, then it seems a lot easier than the various captive portal software packages (mos of which seem to have a specific aim that isn't this one) or fussing around with iptables and using an extra computer as the router. Just figured I'd throw in this update, and still welcome any ideas on how to do this more elegantly from anyone with the expertise.

    Cheers,
    Cykros
    s




    I also came across some info on this at http://wireless.gumph.org

    zerwind

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  • From Cykros@VERT to zerwind on Sat Jan 15 01:38:49 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: zerwind to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 2011 05:38 pm

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 03:55 am
    <snip>
    I also came across some info on this at http://wireless.gumph.org

    zerwind

    Good info on the equipment there, I hadn't thought too much on that end.
    Mostly I'm just a little stumped on how to set up the redirect on the captive portal to aim at a telnet connection rather than an http site. It may be far more trouble than it is worth...an http page can direct the user (as opposed
    to their computer) to the telnet site within seconds anyhow. Other than that, figuring out the iptables setup (or whatever other captive portal software would be in use...iptables just struck me as being readily available freely on pretty much any *nix box). In theory, it seems that this whole set up could
    be made using nothing more than 1 computer, which just got me thinking: it could also probably be done using a sufficiently advanced phone. Most likely
    a European Maemo phone, but Android could probably be hacked to do it as well.
    Probably more interesting in theory than in actuality, but the idea of a travelling cell phone BBS is a bit amusing.

    Cykros


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  • From zerwind@VERT/LOSTCRYP to Cykros on Sat Jan 15 14:37:52 2011
    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to zerwind on Sat Jan 15 2011 01:38 am

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: zerwind to Cykros on Fri Jan 14 2011 05:38 pm

    Re: WiFi hotspot BBS?
    By: Cykros to All on Fri Jan 14 2011 03:55 am
    <snip>
    I also came across some info on this at http://wireless.gumph.org

    zerwind

    Good info on the equipment there, I hadn't thought too much on that end. Mostly I'm just a little stumped on how to set up the redirect on the captiv portal to aim at a telnet connection rather than an http site. It may be fa more trouble than it is worth...an http page can direct the user (as opposed to their computer) to the telnet site within seconds anyhow. Other than tha figuring out the iptables setup (or whatever other captive portal software would be in use...iptables just struck me as being readily available freely pretty much any *nix box). In theory, it seems that this whole set up could be made using nothing more than 1 computer, which just got me thinking: it could also probably be done using a sufficiently advanced phone. Most likel a European Maemo phone, but Android could probably be hacked to do it as wel
    Probably more interesting in theory than in actuality, but the idea of a travelling cell phone BBS is a bit amusing.

    Cykros



    What I gatherd from what I've read is use a single computer set up like
    a sandbox with an access point that's firewalled to only allow telnet connections.
    Name the network "telnet only" to direct
    people how to connect. Thoses access points that holels use have built in
    dhcp servers and just set the range in the 192.168.x.x, 172.16.x.x, or
    10.x.x.x (private IP addresses.) I'm not sure how the network would establish
    a link without setting up a test station and tinkering and see if I could connect threw telnet without first making a standard directory
    access level network connection.
    When I first read about this it was like a year or two and it was a group of people setting up a wow privet server at some dorm room building.

    There are long range modems on ebay at good prices now, Not the newest technology.

    zerwind

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  • From Ddraig@VERT/COLLAPSE to Cykros on Fri Feb 4 15:00:00 2011
    Cykros


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    I've had a similar idea for a while, however more so from the side of
    complete communication/internet collapse.

    One way I have thought about is setting up or some how distributing instructions on how setup a wireless laptop/router sa a wifi hotspot for an adhoc network. So that all the computers on the network basically make up a big huge (W)/LAN.

    Also the other idea I had was taking something from say the P2P community
    and making a decentralized BBS network. Developing that on a bootable secure linux distro with a preconifgured BBS.

    That way you could go pretty much to any computer, plug in the USB stick,
    load up a pre-installed linux distro with a pre-installed and configured BBS that would then "search" for other BBS/Computers so that you could
    communicate using the email, or preconfigured newsgroups.

    The reason for the Bootable preconfigured is that you don't really know what the condition of the PC you're connecting too. Say you end up at a local library after a collapse (This whole egypt thing got me thinking about it again.) Being able to plug in and at least communicate would be amazing achievement.

    Also if someone with a packet radio then had some type of internet access
    you could at least get some type of internet communication going. Although
    I'm by far from a programer, and wouldn't exactly know where to begin.

    Ddraig

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Cykros on Tue Feb 15 23:21:47 2011
    Cykros wrote:
    bbs days). Getting the inspiration from wifi hotspots that send you automatically to a local web page as a portal when a browser is directed anywhere, I came up with the idea of setting up a BBS to connect this day through an external program (as much as I appreciate ftelnet, and would

    Should be very doable with say OpenWRT with a transparent proxy.. Would suggest considering an Asus RT-N16 for the router... should support what you are wanting to do.

    All un-authenticated (open) connections get their adress lookups forced to your web/bbs server's IP, and that server redirects all "default traffic to "yourbbsname.wifi" for example, which will show the BBS page.. you can use flashterm, and the web interface pretty reasonably.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Cykros on Tue Feb 15 23:25:07 2011
    Cykros wrote:
    One option I came across, though not all that elegant, would be setting up a DNS server that redirects all requests to the bbs (this would still be a web page, but a telnet:// link along with ftelnet wouldn't be the worst thing ever), and then set this DNS server up as the default on the wireless router. I say not all that elegant because by manually configuring their DNS client, an end user can just find themselves on the internet, rather than through this

    hijack all outbound port 53 traffic to your dns, and all outbound port 80 to your web server... for than matter, don't eve have a WAN connection on the "Open" router.. just have two nics in the BBS, one for "open wifi" access, the other for gated/real internet traffic.

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