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  • Hardware Setup

    From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to All on Mon Oct 3 14:31:53 2016
    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Mon Oct 3 12:40:35 2016
    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

    Currently, I have my BBS running in a VM. The physical machine is running a 64-
    bit Linux (to make use of all the RAM in the machine, more than 4GB, for some other servers I run on it), and my BBS is running in a VM with a 32-bit Windows so
    that it can easily run DOS door games and a few Win32 door games.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ennev on Tue Oct 4 08:32:00 2016
    Ennev wrote to All <=-

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I run 2 BBSs. One runs Synchronet on a Raspberry Pi 1B+, the other runs Mystic BBS on a Banana Pi.


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Mon Oct 3 15:19:06 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: Ennev to All on Mon Oct 03 2016 02:31 pm

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    My "vintage" Celeron 1.2 GHZ system died after about 12 years of constant operation; I've got the BBS running on a somewhat-less vintage dual core laptop now.

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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to Ennev on Mon Oct 3 21:31:08 2016
    El 03/10/16 a las 15:31, Ennev escribi├│:
    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

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    I run Synchronet native on debian amd64 on mi old computer (core2 duo /
    8gb ram) also use dosemu to run DOS 16bits doors. (work fine)

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  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to Ennev on Mon Oct 3 19:42:17 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: Ennev to All on Mon Oct 03 2016 02:31 pm

    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

    cloud services, vm is 64bit CentOS 6.8, quad dual-core Xeon @ 2.27GHz, 8 GB RAM. running Synchronet Linux 3.16 and DosEMU for DOS-based doors.

    backups via rsync to two different systems, one in my basement, and one is another cloud VM

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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Ennev on Tue Oct 4 04:14:39 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: Ennev to All on Mon Oct 03 2016 02:31 pm

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    As I've mentioned, I rent a dual proc Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @2.50GHz, for $20 USD a month. It lives in a data center, and I've never seen it. So it's got the cooling, power and network all taken care of. I just loaded up my Qemu VM, bridged the ethernet, and I was running my OS/2 2.00 BBS in a few minutes.

    I kind of like to keep it software wise vintage, as I can pretend to have the latest tech of the mid 1990s.

    I belive most people run the newer versions native, and host at home. I belive I'm in the mintoirty going with something in a datacentre.

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Ennev on Tue Oct 4 08:23:00 2016
    On 10/03/16, Ennev said the following...

    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

    As you can see by my tear line, I'm running on a Pi. I'm using the Pi3B to
    be exact.

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  • From Tleeonly@VERT/GAMES to Nightfox on Tue Oct 4 16:28:37 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Mon Oct 03 2016 12:40 pm

    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    I have my dialup BBS on a Gateway 2000 4DX2-66. I have Synchronet for MSDOS. I have over 300 games. Some are registered mostly not.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to ENNEV on Tue Oct 4 18:55:00 2016
    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.
    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?
    I'm curious !

    I have Synchronet running on a P-III 900. It was on a P-IV until its motherboard crapped out. It handles http and ftp traffic. It also, for the time being, handles telnet. I have Synchronet running under debian.

    I also have a GT Power BBS running on a P-II (I think!) with OS/2 Warp 4 as
    the OS. VMODEM handles incoming telnet (or did, until I had to temporarily disable it). It still handles the dial-up traffic, and that is where the doors are.

    BTW, does anyone know how to get an OS/2 box with VMODEM to accept telnet traffic on an alternate port? I have the router set up to send port 26
    traffic to the OS/2 box. When I had the Synchronet telnet on an alternate port, it was pretty easy. Just change an ini setting. I cannot find any config settings that control the inbound port for VMODEM. Any connection attempts to port 26 on that box are rejected.

    I am guessing it is some OS/2 setting I need to change. I am going to search the interwebs to see if I can find anything. :)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to MIKE POWELL on Wed Oct 5 11:39:09 2016
    BTW, does anyone know how to get an OS/2 box with VMODEM to accept telnet traffic on an alternate port? I have the router set up to send port 26 traffic to the OS/2 box. When I had the Synchronet telnet on an alternate port, it was pretty easy. Just change an ini setting. I cannot find any config settings that control the inbound port for VMODEM. Any connection attempts to port 26 on that box are rejected.

    Could you do port translation at the router? that is what i do for some of my port, so for example at the router side for example 2222 is open but it send
    it traffic to 192.168.1.210 at port 22 for example. So on the pc everything
    run at it's original port, it's at the router that i rewire stuff. sometime it's simpler that try to configure an old equipments new tricks.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to MIKE POWELL on Wed Oct 5 09:15:35 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: MIKE POWELL to ENNEV on Tue Oct 04 2016 06:55 pm

    BTW, does anyone know how to get an OS/2 box with VMODEM to accept telnet traffic on an alternate port? I have the router set up to send port 26 traffic to the OS/2 box. When I had the Synchronet telnet on an alternate port, it was pretty easy. Just change an ini setting. I cannot find any config settings that control the inbound port for VMODEM.

    Could you change the router's NAT redirection to redirect port 26 from the outside to port 23 on the OS/2 box?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ennev on Thu Oct 6 08:31:00 2016
    Ennev wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Could you do port translation at the router? that is what i do for some
    of my port, so for example at the router side for example 2222 is open
    but it send it traffic to 192.168.1.210 at port 22 for example. So on
    the pc everything run at it's original port, it's at the router that i rewire stuff. sometime it's simpler that try to configure an old equipments new tricks.

    I agree, this would be the easiest way. I'd be doubtful if the router couldn't do the port translation. Only time this wouldn't work is if you're not using NAT (i.e. have a public IP on the OS/2 box).


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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to ENNEV on Wed Oct 5 18:34:00 2016
    Could you do port translation at the router? that is what i do for some of my port, so for example at the router side for example 2222 is open but it send it traffic to 192.168.1.210 at port 22 for example. So on the pc everything run at it's original port, it's at the router that i rewire stuff. sometime it's simpler that try to configure an old equipments new tricks.

    Well, I did try the External 26 to Internal 23 & the IP of the OS2 machine,
    but no dice. To be honest, it does not look like the traffic is even getting to the OS2 box. At least VMODEM is not ever seeing it. I am starting to wonder if I did not break something. :)

    on edit: telneting from one box on the local network to the os2 box, on
    port 23, does work. Maybe my ISP has started blocking 26. That'd figure.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Oct 5 18:37:00 2016
    Could you change the router's NAT redirection to redirect port 26 from the outside to port 23 on the OS/2 box?

    Tried that. No dice. Synchterm gives me a "Connect Error (111)!", FWIW.

    I probably need to switch it back to 23/23 and see if that still works. If
    not I know I have something else broke. :)

    on edit: telneting from one box on the local network to the os2 box, on
    port 23, does work. Maybe my ISP has started blocking 26. That'd figure.

    Mike

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 6 11:24:57 2016
    I agree, this would be the easiest way. I'd be doubtful if the router couldn't do the port translation. Only time this wouldn't work is if
    you're not using NAT (i.e. have a public IP on the OS/2 box).

    Yes if you dmz the os/2 box it's something else.
    But what i did in a case is to dmz a second router that did the translating. but it was more also in a setup where i wanted to protect an home network from stuff open to public with a 3 router solution. This was the home network was never in direct contact with open or "unsafe" stuff like internet-of- things stuff.

    if the router can't do translation one's can allways check if the router can use a open-source firmware like dd-wrt. This firmware can do so much.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to MIKE POWELL on Thu Oct 6 11:38:12 2016
    Well, I did try the External 26 to Internal 23 & the IP of the OS2
    machine,
    but no dice. To be honest, it does not look like the traffic is even getting to the OS2 box. At least VMODEM is not ever seeing it. I am starting to wonder if I did not break something. :)

    try a tool like Steve Gibson's free post scan to see what is open on your box https://www.grc.com/shieldsup i know synchronet now also offer a similar service but i can remember the url right now. so you could see what is open
    or not from the outside world. would give you a good clue if your provider is blocking stuff in between.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ennev on Fri Oct 7 06:48:00 2016
    Ennev wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes if you dmz the os/2 box it's something else.
    But what i did in a case is to dmz a second router that did the translating. but it was more also in a setup where i wanted to protect
    an home network from stuff open to public with a 3 router solution.
    This was the home network was never in direct contact with open or "unsafe" stuff like internet-of- things stuff.

    Yes, you could do that, or use a "port bouncer" on another machine. We're going to have to get used to IPv6 sooner or later, where NAT will be a lot less common, packet filters will be the order of the day, like in the pre-NAT days, and port forwarding won't exist, except in special cases. And in most cases, IPv6 allows enough address space for you to install internal firewalls between your IoT and general use networks. I have a /56, big enough for 256 network segments. Yep, I think I can firewall off my gadgets effectively, when that day comes. :)

    if the router can't do translation one's can allways check if the
    router can use a open-source firmware like dd-wrt. This firmware can do
    so much.

    Yes, that's often an option.


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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to ENNEV on Thu Oct 6 19:47:00 2016
    try a tool like Steve Gibson's free post scan to see what is open on your box https://www.grc.com/shieldsup i know synchronet now also offer a similar service but i can remember the url right now. so you could see what is open or not from the outside world. would give you a good clue if your provider is blocking stuff in between.

    Thanks! I had lost that link. Well, 26 is open so it is something on this end. At least that means that maybe I can fix it. :)

    Mike

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  • From Lith@VERT/ASIRTA to Ennev on Fri Oct 7 13:31:29 2016
    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.
    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?
    I'm curious !

    Curently, running a VM using a ThinkCentre M58p with 4GB RAM. It's quiet, has a small 300 watt power supply and a small PC form factor. You can pick one up for around $80. SBBS runs on a Virtualbox VM with Windows 7 32 bit to run old door games.

    Virtualbox is pretty solid. I've been running the current system for a little over a year with little downtime. Thought about using VMware, but Virtualbox is fine for running a BBS.

    In the future it would be nice to upgrade to a Lenovo x3100 M5 mini server with at least 16GB of RAM so I can run more VMs. Energy consumption is a big checkbox for me. Also, newegg has pretty decent prices on refurbished PC's if you're looking to pick one up on the cheap.


    Lith,
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    /r/retrotucosn

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Lith on Sat Oct 8 07:12:40 2016
    Re: Hardware Setup
    By: Lith to Ennev on Fri Oct 07 2016 01:31 pm

    Curently, running a VM using a ThinkCentre M58p with 4GB RAM. It's quiet, has a small 300 watt power supply and a small PC form factor. You can pick one up for around $80. SBBS runs on a Virtualbox VM with Windows 7 32 bit to run old door games.

    I've been less happy with Windows 10 as time has gone by, and thought about running Linux on my desktop box with Windows 7 in a VM. If I do that I'd go VirtualBox (had a bear of a time getting VMWare to run in Linux in the past) and use the VM for BBS and Windows duties.

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  • From Lith@VERT/ASIRTA to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Oct 9 14:44:21 2016
    I've been less happy with Windows 10 as time has gone by, and thought about running Linux on my desktop box with Windows 7 in a VM. If I do that I'd go VirtualBox (had a bear of a time getting VMWare to run in Linux in the past) and use the VM for BBS and Windows duties.

    I've not made the transition to Windows 10 yet, but probably will in the near future. But all my other systems are 64 bit Windows 7, just the SBBS system is 32 bit. I like linux as well, especially Debian for servers and Linux Mint for desktops.
    For the BBS though, I think choosing SBBS with it's multiple drop file support paired with Windows 7 32 bit appears to be a good choice for one wanting to run alot of old doors without pulling your hair out (as much)...

    Lith,
    asirta.com
    r/retrotucosn

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  • From Steven Sheeley@VERT/INFINITY to Lith on Mon Oct 10 07:51:14 2016
    Hello Lith!

    Replying to a msg dated 09 Oct 16 14:44, from you to Poindexter Fortran.

    That is what I am running. SYnchronet BBS on Windows 7 (32Bit) on a Dual Core laptop. It's running smooth with no issues. Only problem I have is inbound port 25, which SuddenLink redirects to thier mail server. I may move to a hosted Win7 or WinServer 2003 (32Bit) platform to get away from the port redirections, or may upgrade to business class since I work from home anyways.

    Steven


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  • From Nighthawk@VERT/ABUTRE2 to Ennev on Sat Nov 12 21:51:00 2016
    Ennev wrote to All <=-

    Hearing about some of setup some have for theirs board got me curious.

    How is your BBS setup guys, on vintage computers? cloud? vm?

    I'm curious !

    My system runs on a AWS instance, under Windows Server 2013.

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