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  • Pulling The Plug On Port

    From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to NEOZEED on Thu Sep 29 19:40:00 2016
    I've been running my old crappy 99% stock BBS for years now, and the ammount of
    times I get hangs from scripts hammering away on port 23 is absolutely insane. >I have setup (well at least the commands didn't complain, no idea if it >actually works) rate limiting on inbound port 23, but it doesn't stop.. As 2016
    winds down, is it really feasable to run 90's era software on the internet >using port 23?

    I'm the lone one with OS/2 and SIO of all thing. I know that there was some >dump last week of public anonymous ftp sites, and I'm certainly not the only >one running ancient stuff out there! ... But has anyone experenced any massive >downside to not having port 23 accessable?

    I ran into so many problems just over the past month with that, right about
    the time that the Clinton e-mails leaked (oddly), that I decided to at least temporarily shut down telnet for my OS/2 / SIO / GT Power board and have
    routed the telnet traffic to Synchronet, which I was using just for a web board.

    In my case, the GT BBS software did not have any issues with the hammering... it was the SIO/VMODEM software that would hang after being hammered non-stop for so long.

    Odd thing... about a week after I switched to SBBS, the hammering has mostly stopped. I added some things to the CAN files that may have helped but, mostly, I think it stopped on its own.

    I would consider switching permanently but I have not had much time to figure out how to get the DOS doors running under SBBS linux. So, while dial-up
    still gets GT, what few telnet users I had who liked the doors are sort of
    out of luck for now.

    I have actually thought about trying to set something up, using the SBBS door that telnets to other boards, so that folks can telnet from the SBBS locally over to the GT board.

    Mike

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  • From Hemo@VERT/UJOINT to MIKE POWELL on Fri Sep 30 08:05:00 2016
    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: MIKE POWELL to NEOZEED on Thu Sep 29 2016 07:40 pm

    I would consider switching permanently but I have not had much time to figure out how to get the DOS doors running under SBBS linux. So, while dial-up still gets GT, what few telnet users I had who liked the doors are sort of out of luck for now.


    Some of us have had fairly decent success with DOS doors under DosEmu. I have a number of them running this way with SBBS on Linux.

    What flavor of linux are you running? There might be some help out here if you inquire.

    -Hemo

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MIKE POWELL on Sat Oct 1 08:56:00 2016
    MIKE POWELL wrote to NEOZEED <=-

    In my case, the GT BBS software did not have any issues with the hammering... it was the SIO/VMODEM software that would hang after being hammered non-stop for so long.

    Others with this problem have had success using Mystic as a front end, using its matrix menu. Mystic takes the sting out of the probes, adding them to its block list. Legitimate users get passed on to SIO.

    I haven't done this myself, but I know others who have with success.

    Odd thing... about a week after I switched to SBBS, the hammering has mostly stopped. I added some things to the CAN files that may have
    helped but, mostly, I think it stopped on its own.

    I would consider switching permanently but I have not had much time to figure out how to get the DOS doors running under SBBS linux. So,
    while dial-up still gets GT, what few telnet users I had who liked the doors are sort of out of luck for now.

    I have actually thought about trying to set something up, using the
    SBBS door that telnets to other boards, so that folks can telnet from
    the SBBS locally over to the GT board.

    That would work. Similar to the Mystic solution, though the Mystic matrix menu doesn't require a login before being transferred to the other BBS.


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  • From Neozeed@VERT to MIKE POWELL on Fri Sep 30 20:41:12 2016
    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: MIKE POWELL to NEOZEED on Thu Sep 29 2016 07:40 pm

    I ran into so many problems just over the past month with that, right about the time that the Clinton e-mails leaked (oddly), that I decided to at least temporarily shut down telnet for my OS/2 / SIO / GT Power board and have routed the telnet traffic to Synchronet, which I was using just for a web board.
    Oh good, there are like TWO of us now! I did a test upgrade to Warp 3 & 4 to see if that helped, and it sure did not. So back down to OS/2 2.0 WR06100 for me.

    Sigh, every time that 'hacker' 4-chan guy gets out, all hell seems to break loose... :-\

    In my case, the GT BBS software did not have any issues with the hammering... it was the SIO/VMODEM software that would hang after being hammered non-stop for so long.

    Yes, SIO is the weakest link, for sure. It is annoying as frankly OS/2 is the best way to run multiuser MS-DOS Doors, bar none that I've found. But machines get faster and faster, I may break down and try some text mode Qemu passthru along with some samba server or something in the middle. DOSBox can't lock, but booting MS-DOS with a lan card to a shared drive ought to do the trick, just have to setup scripts to pass it flags and stuff, I guess build custom boot disks and script it all out in some insane fashion..... Or just suck it up, and keep OS/2. It's too bad Ray Gwinn just up and disappeared..

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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Vk3jed on Fri Sep 30 20:43:24 2016
    Re: Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: Vk3jed to MIKE POWELL on Sat Oct 01 2016 08:56 am

    Others with this problem have had success using Mystic as a front end, using its matrix menu. Mystic takes the sting out of the probes, adding them to its block list. Legitimate users get passed on to SIO.

    I was thinking of something to front the OS/2 SBBS, but hadn't really gone that much further after I setup rate limiting...


    I haven't done this myself, but I know others who have with success.
    That would work. Similar to the Mystic solution, though the Mystic matrix menu doesn't require a login before being transferred to the other BBS.

    It may very well be worth looking at.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Neozeed on Sat Oct 1 15:29:00 2016
    Neozeed wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I was thinking of something to front the OS/2 SBBS, but hadn't really
    gone that much further after I setup rate limiting...

    Fair enough.


    I haven't done this myself, but I know others who have with success.
    That would work. Similar to the Mystic solution, though the Mystic matrix menu doesn't require a login before being transferred to the other BBS.

    It may very well be worth looking at.

    As I said, others have had success with this approach. :)


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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to HEMO on Fri Sep 30 19:02:00 2016
    Others with this problem have had success using Mystic as a front end, using its matrix menu. Mystic takes the sting out of the probes, adding them to its
    block list. Legitimate users get passed on to SIO.
    [...snip...]
    That would work. Similar to the Mystic solution, though the Mystic matrix menu
    doesn't require a login before being transferred to the other BBS.

    Interesting. Do you mean the Mystic BBS software or is this some other
    Mystic? I guess it automatically sniffs out the probes? I wonder if it
    could pass straight to the other BBS software without SIO/VMODEM.

    I will have to look into that.

    Mike
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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to NEOZEED on Sat Oct 1 12:27:00 2016
    Yes, SIO is the weakest link, for sure. It is annoying as frankly OS/2 is the >best way to run multiuser MS-DOS Doors, bar none that I've found. But machines
    get faster and faster, I may break down and try some text mode Qemu passthru >along with some samba server or something in the middle. DOSBox can't lock, >but booting MS-DOS with a lan card to a shared drive ought to do the trick, >just have to setup scripts to pass it flags and stuff, I guess build custom >boot disks and script it all out in some insane fashion..... Or just suck it >up, and keep OS/2. It's too bad Ray Gwinn just up and disappeared..

    Somewhere out on the web there is a example of some scripts & packages that will allow a DOS-based BBS software (running under DOSemu) to "answer" a
    telnet connection under linux. I tried that once. It actually worked. However, I was not comfortable with what might happen if it got too many hits at once... like, would it dump a user to a command prompt or something?

    My recollection is that I had to install a different-than-default debian package to handle the inbound telnet traffic. It could be set up, using a script, to call dosemu and was able to function as a virtual modem so well
    that GT actually accepted the connection (like VMODEM does, and like none of the Windows viturals do).

    That is also on my "one of these days, I need to try it again" list. :)

    Mike
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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Neozeed on Sat Oct 1 17:22:44 2016
    Hello Neozeed!

    30 Sep 16 20:41, you wrote to MIKE POWELL:

    all out in some insane fashion..... Or just suck it up, and keep
    OS/2. It's too bad Ray Gwinn just up and disappeared..

    He's on facebook... but I think he's said in the past he lost the source.

    Shawn


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MIKE POWELL on Sun Oct 2 08:21:00 2016
    MIKE POWELL wrote to HEMO <=-
    doesn't require a login before being transferred to the other BBS.

    Interesting. Do you mean the Mystic BBS software or is this some other Mystic? I guess it automatically sniffs out the probes? I wonder if
    it could pass straight to the other BBS software without SIO/VMODEM.

    Yes, Mystic BBS. It has a "matrix menu" feature, which can be used to select between different BBSs, before login.


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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Tiny on Tue Oct 4 04:07:21 2016
    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: Tiny to Neozeed on Sat Oct 01 2016 05:22 pm

    He's on facebook... but I think he's said in the past he lost the source.

    Oh bummer.. Its amazing the stuff that is lost, digitial wise, setting it free is the only way to keep it around..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Neozeed on Tue Oct 4 19:18:05 2016
    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: Neozeed to Tiny on Tue Oct 04 2016 04:07 am

    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: Tiny to Neozeed on Sat Oct 01 2016 05:22 pm

    He's on facebook... but I think he's said in the past he lost the source.

    Oh bummer.. Its amazing the stuff that is lost, digitial wise, setting it free is the only way to keep it around..


    some things are best lost.
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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Mro on Tue Oct 4 19:33:34 2016
    Re: Pulling The Plug On Port
    By: Mro to Neozeed on Tue Oct 04 2016 07:18 pm

    Oh bummer.. Its amazing the stuff that is lost, digitial wise, setting it free is the only way to keep it around..


    some things are best lost.

    It was probably all coded in that Microsoft 286 MASM pre-release thing going back to the old days of Microsoft OS/2 2.0, since Microsoft only extended the 1.0 kernel to support 32bit functions, but at it's core it was still 16bit... Something that proved to be utterly beyond IBM's capabilities.

    I guess in the same light, it's just as well the L4 port of OS/2 never really saw the light of day, nor opened sourced.

    In the same light, I guess it's why UNIX clones are so popular, but nobody ever coded an OS/2 clone. It was just too good at running Windows 3.0/3.1 standard mode stuff, and MS-DOS apps.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to NEOZEED on Wed Oct 5 18:44:00 2016
    In the same light, I guess it's why UNIX clones are so popular, but nobody ever
    coded an OS/2 clone. It was just too good at running Windows 3.0/3.1 standard >mode stuff, and MS-DOS apps.

    I think it was tried, or at least theorized. Once upon a time there were
    folks wanting to clone all sort of dead and no-longer-supported OSes. Some
    had minor success, a few did not get past theory, and a few (like FreeDOS) actually got a fully functional OS going.

    It may have been that whoever consider cloning OS/2 figured that the
    emergence of a commercial successor, eCommstation, made it not worth their while.

    Mike
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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to TINY on Fri Oct 28 10:57:00 2016
    He's on facebook... but I think he's said in the past he lost the source.

    Shawn
    Is there still a need for SIO/VMODEM aside from bbsing? Maybe the new
    people developing OS/2 could make it all over again.

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Matthew Munson on Mon Nov 7 23:17:00 2016
    Quoting Matthew Munson to TINY <=-

    Is there still a need for SIO/VMODEM aside from bbsing? Maybe the new people developing OS/2 could make it all over again.

    Was an old message I think... but I have no idea.

    Shawn

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