• Gun Laws??

    From Hustler@VERT/CBLISS to All on Sat Oct 3 12:15:11 2015
    So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Sat Oct 3 20:54:06 2015
    Re: Gun Laws??
    By: Hustler to All on Sat Oct 03 2015 12:15 pm

    So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?


    i dont think we need gun control. i think we need increased awareness and increased acivity in regards to identifying these types of people.

    most of the time there are warnings and someone doesnt care enough to report it.
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  • From Mike S@VERT/CS2BBS to Hustler on Sun Oct 4 12:50:00 2015
    Re: Gun Laws??
    By: Hustler to All on Sat Oct 03 2015 12:15 pm

    So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with guns what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?


    My thought about gun control are the same now as they were before this latest incident. The only way to stop a badguy with a gun is with a goodguy with a gun. This latest thing was bad, it was senseless, it was all those things,
    and my heart goes out to the family & loved ones of those that didn't survive this lunatics shooting. But it doesn't change anything.

    If you use the logic that because of the number of murders commited with firearms, we need to make firearms illegal, then using that same logic, then cars need to be outlawed, just look at how many people are killed each year with cars!

    Besides, there are already so many gun laws on the books that are not being enforced, do we really need more? I don't think so.

    -MikeS

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  • From KU2S@VERT/TLCBBS to Hustler on Tue Oct 6 14:17:25 2015
    So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?

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    I say that given the fact that these mass shootings all seem to occur in the states with the strictest gun laws there must be a correlation between gun
    laws and mass shootings. Perhaps is the inavailability of guns to the law abiding citizen that creates an environment wherein the mass murderer feels emboldened...

    73 de KU2S

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  • From Mindless Automaton@VERT/ELDRITCH to KU2S on Fri Oct 9 09:39:12 2015
    On 10/6/2015 4:17 PM, KU2S wrote:
    > So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with
    > guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?

    > ---

    I say that given the fact that these mass shootings all seem to occur in the states with the strictest gun laws there must be a correlation between gun laws and mass shootings. Perhaps is the inavailability of guns to the law abiding citizen that creates an environment wherein the mass murderer feels emboldened...

    Maybe mass shootings in areas with less strict gun laws are so common,
    they don't even make the news. :P

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Mike S on Fri Oct 9 19:26:50 2015
    If you use the logic that because of the number of murders commited
    with firearms, we need to make firearms illegal, then using that
    same logic, then cars need to be outlawed, just look at how many
    people are killed each year with cars!

    Pretty much... actually, if you look at the U.K., there's talk of banning knives now. It would really suck to have to get a special knife license because you like to cook.
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  • From KU2S@VERT/TLCBBS to Mindless Automaton on Fri Oct 9 15:49:43 2015
    On 10/6/2015 4:17 PM, KU2S wrote:
    > So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with
    > guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of
    A?

    > ---

    I say that given the fact that these mass shootings all seem to occur
    in
    the states with the strictest gun laws there must be a correlation
    between
    gun laws and mass shootings. Perhaps is the inavailability of guns to
    the
    law abiding citizen that creates an environment wherein the mass
    murderer
    feels emboldened...

    Maybe mass shootings in areas with less strict gun laws are so common,
    they don't even make the news. :P

    -Mindless Automaton
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    That's so stupid as to make the reason you got your nomme de guerre
    painfully obvious.

    73 de KU2S

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Hustler on Wed Oct 21 19:18:50 2015
    So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with
    guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?

    More people are killed because of cell phone use while driving... maybe we should outlaw cell phones and cars?

    Honestly, I don't mind the idea of having to get a license to own a firearm,
    as long as the requirements for licensure are reasonable, and relatively
    easy. Also, would prefer that training be offered to H.S. students, much
    like driver's education.

    I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though I'm
    pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry states in
    the U.S.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to tracker1 on Wed Oct 21 22:18:25 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: tracker1 to Hustler on Wed Oct 21 2015 07:18 pm

    I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though I'm pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry states in the U.S.


    no there's a lot of open carry states in the usa.

    whats weird is it's prohibited in texas.
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  • From KU2S@VERT/TLCBBS to tracker1 on Wed Oct 21 23:56:00 2015
    t │ > So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with
    t │ > guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US of A?
    t │
    t │ More people are killed because of cell phone use while driving... maybe we
    t │ should outlaw cell phones and cars?
    t │
    t │ Honestly, I don't mind the idea of having to get a license to own a firearm
    t │ as long as the requirements for licensure are reasonable, and relatively
    t │ easy. Also, would prefer that training be offered to H.S. students, much
    t │ like driver's education.
    t │
    t │ I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though I'm
    t │ pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry states in
    t │ the U.S.
    t │
    t │ --

    Not sure what country you live in, but here in the US, open carry is legal without a permit in 31 states, legal with a permit in 13 more, and
    prohibited only in 6 states plus the District of Columbia.

    So tell me... in YOUR universe, which are the only two open carry states
    in the US?

    73 de KU2S
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Mro on Thu Oct 22 07:54:11 2015
    I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though I'm
    pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry states
    in the U.S.

    no there's a lot of open carry states in the usa.

    whats weird is it's prohibited in texas.

    Looks like it' 7 states[1] now... Gun carry requires a permit/license in
    most states. I was refering to loaded, open, unlicensed carry being legal in AZ. I guess some of the terms are watery and overlap.

    Agreed, it does seem weird that TX is one of the most restrictive states.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to KU2S on Thu Oct 22 08:01:19 2015
    I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though
    I'm pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry
    states in the U.S.

    Not sure what country you live in, but here in the US, open carry is legal without a permit in 31 states, legal with a permit in 13 more, and
    prohibited only in 6 states plus the District of Columbia.

    So tell me... in YOUR universe, which are the only two open carry states
    in the US?

    I was thinking of unrestricted, unlicensed open-carry state wide... though I was conflating the numbers with "constitutional carry" which it looks like there are now 7 states allowing.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to tracker1 on Thu Oct 22 18:04:53 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: tracker1 to Mro on Thu Oct 22 2015 07:54 am


    Looks like it' 7 states[1] now... Gun carry requires a permit/license in most states. I was refering to loaded, open, unlicensed carry being legal in AZ. I guess some of the terms are watery and overlap.


    yep they have a lot of terms, it's just not cut and dried.

    my uncle told me this when i was 10: do not pull a gun on someone unless you are going to use it.

    this doesnt mean be a gun nut; it means there's great responsibly and you shouldnt be waving a gun around and being irresponsable.
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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to tracker1 on Fri Oct 23 16:17:05 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: tracker1 to Mike S on Fri Oct 09 2015 07:26 pm

    Pretty much... actually, if you look at the U.K., there's talk of banning knives now. It would really suck to have to get a special knife license because you like to cook.

    Surely they just want to ban assault knives?

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  • From Lab Rat@VERT/TOXIC to Deuce on Sun Oct 25 19:22:44 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: Deuce to tracker1 on Fri Oct 23 2015 16:17:05

    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: tracker1 to Mike S on Fri Oct 09 2015 07:26 pm

    Pretty much... actually, if you look at the U.K., there's talk of banning knives now. It would really suck to have to get a special knife license because you like to cook.

    Surely they just want to ban assault knives?


    You'd think so, but no, assault knives are perfectly legal to sell and have up on your wall. As far as carrying a knife in public, it has to be a folding but not lockable blade of no more than 3 inches in length, unless you have 'good reason' to be carrying it - i.e. to and from work where you legitimately use it etc.

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  • From Deuce@VERT/SYNCNIX to Lab Rat on Mon Oct 26 15:09:57 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: Lab Rat to Deuce on Sun Oct 25 2015 07:22 pm

    Pretty much... actually, if you look at the U.K., there's talk of banning knives now. It would really suck to have to get a special knife license because you like to cook.

    Surely they just want to ban assault knives?

    You'd think so, but no, assault knives are perfectly legal to sell and have up on your wall. As far as carrying a knife in public, it has to be a folding but not lockable blade of no more than 3 inches in length, unless you have 'good reason' to be carrying it - i.e. to and from work where you legitimately use it etc.

    My post was actually a joke based on the "assuault weapon" bans in the USA.

    Anyway, the laws you've outlined sound a lot like the ones I've found here in California.

    In Canada, the law is a lot simpler and leaves a lot more up to the officer. Basically, it's illegal to carry a weapon in Canada (this includes "for defence"). Carrying a knife (other than prohibited ones that have "a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife") is perfectly legal as long as it is not a weapon... and here's where it gets tricky to argue your "rights" since a weapon is defined as:

    ...any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use
    (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
    (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person and, without restricting the foregoing, includes a firearm.


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Deuce on Tue Oct 27 18:40:41 2015
    Re: Re: Gun Laws??
    By: Deuce to tracker1 on Fri Oct 23 2015 04:17 pm

    Surely they just want to ban assault knives?

    I'm choking on my wine on this one. Could imagine the debates in congress!

    Ban a 4 inch folding assault knife as a weapon of mass destruction and allow a 10 inch chef's knife to pass.

    Dianne Feinstein, are you listening?

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  • From Mike S@VERT/CS2BBS to KU2S on Thu Nov 5 14:36:00 2015
    KU2S wrote to tracker1 <=-

    t │ > So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw ball with
    t │ > guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the US
    of A?
    t │
    t │ More people are killed because of cell phone use while driving... maybe we
    t │ should outlaw cell phones and cars?
    t │
    t │ Honestly, I don't mind the idea of having to get a license to own
    a firearm
    t │ as long as the requirements for licensure are reasonable, and relatively
    t │ easy. Also, would prefer that training be offered to H.S.
    students, much
    t │ like driver's education.
    t │
    t │ I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general,
    though I'm
    t │ pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-carry states in
    t │ the U.S.
    t │
    t │ --

    Not sure what country you live in, but here in the US, open carry is
    legal without a permit in 31 states, legal with a permit in 13 more,
    and prohibited only in 6 states plus the District of Columbia.

    So tell me... in YOUR universe, which are the only two open carry
    states in the US?

    73 de KU2S
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    When you say open carry, are you talking about rifles/shotguns, or handguns? last I checked there are only a handful of states where you can carry a handgun either open, or concealed without a permit of any kind. It's generally called Consitutional Carry. Many states, such as Florida that have licenses for concealed
    carry do NOT allow for open carry. I have a FL CCW (gun permit), but if I have a
    handgun on me that's exposed, I can get in trouble (anywhere from a warning to a
    ride to jail depending on the cop) for it. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for not needing a permit to be able to carry a handgun, either concealed, or exposed if

    you're of legal age, with a clean record. In fact my feeling is that the second
    amendment has been infringed since the GCA of 1934! But that's another story.

    -MikeS


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  • From KU2S@VERT/TLCBBS to Mike S on Fri Nov 6 15:25:26 2015
    KU2S wrote to tracker1 <=-

    t │ > So now that YET even more people were killed by some screw
    ball
    with
    t │ > guns, what do you have to say about more gun control in the
    US
    of A?
    t │
    t │ More people are killed because of cell phone use while
    driving...
    maybe we
    t │ should outlaw cell phones and cars?
    t │
    t │ Honestly, I don't mind the idea of having to get a license to
    own
    a firearm
    t │ as long as the requirements for licensure are reasonable, and relatively
    t │ easy. Also, would prefer that training be offered to H.S. students, much
    t │ like driver's education.
    t │
    t │ I'm relatively against restricting gun ownership in general, though I'm
    t │ pretty libertarian biased and live in one of only two open-
    carry
    states in
    t │ the U.S.
    t │
    t │ --

    Not sure what country you live in, but here in the US, open carry
    is
    legal without a permit in 31 states, legal with a permit in 13
    more,
    and prohibited only in 6 states plus the District of Columbia.

    So tell me... in YOUR universe, which are the only two open carry states in the US?

    73 de KU2S
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    When you say open carry, are you talking about rifles/shotguns, or
    handguns?
    last I checked there are only a handful of states where you can carry a handgun either open, or concealed without a permit of any kind. It's generally called Consitutional Carry. Many states, such as Florida that
    have
    licenses for concealed
    carry do NOT allow for open carry. I have a FL CCW (gun permit), but if
    I
    have a
    handgun on me that's exposed, I can get in trouble (anywhere from a
    warning
    to a
    ride to jail depending on the cop) for it. Don't get me wrong, I'm all
    for
    not needing a permit to be able to carry a handgun, either concealed, or exposed if

    you're of legal age, with a clean record. In fact my feeling is that
    the
    second
    amendment has been infringed since the GCA of 1934! But that's another story.

    -MikeS


    The numbers I've cited are verifiable. 31 states where open carry of
    handguns is permitted without need for a permit, 13 where a permit is
    required for open carry. A handful where open carry is prohibited under
    any circumstances. What you refer to regarding Constitutional Carry the ability to legally carry concealed and/or open with no permit required, and
    I believe we are now up to seven states with Constitutional (or permitless) carry. While the numbers are subject to change, it's pretty clear that if
    I'm off on my numbers, it's not by very much.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/map-where-is-open-carry-legal-1715/

    73 de KU2S

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