• Air Guns?

    From AMERICAN CLASSIC766@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to DIGITAL MAN on Wed Feb 20 19:35:00 2013
    │I've had a Gamo break barrel .177 (1000fps) for several years now which I've │used to kill rats and gophers on occasion and scare away the coyotes. But since
    │it's really a long range/scoped gun, it's not very practical for the up close │encounters I typically have with our tree/roof rats.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    The break barrel I have is a Beeman "dual-caliber" Sportsman RS2. It comes with a .177 and a .22 barrel. I shot it a little with the .177 when I
    first got it, then put the .22 on and so far have not switched it back. I
    use it to shoot targets, and have found it real accurate with the open
    sights at ~ 10 yards. I have not been able to get out somewhere in the
    open to shoot it any greater distance than that just yet.

    It came with a scope, uninstalled. From what I read about it online, the
    scope is difficult to keep zeroed (or even installed) on the spring-piston
    gun as it has too much recoil. Since I never tried it, I am not sure if
    that is true. I instead installed the scope on my 766. It is not bad for
    a cheap scope, and that gun does not move much when fired, even with 10
    pumps in it.

    Walmart sells the RS2 as the "Grizzly X2" for somewhere around $120US. I
    would imagine that it would put a tree-rat in a heap of hurt.

    │I was looking for an air pistol for myself recently (for those "up close" rat │encounters) and was seriously considering the Crosman 357 (.177 pellet), but │decided I needed a .22 pellet for more effective (and humane) pest control. │That's when I found the world of Crosman 2240 and all the modders/kits etc for │it.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    Based on my experience, I would say you made a good choice against the 357.
    It is a nice-looking gun, and I have found it is good fun for close-range plinking -- soda cans, etc. It is not much of a target pistol, and is not
    very accurate at more than 5-7 yards. If one were to try to use it for anything that required precise targeting... shooting a bullseye, or a small animal... I would expect they'd be frustrated with it.

    I have limited experience with the 2240, but I think it is a much better choice. It is quite a bit more accurate than the 357. I believe it packs
    a little more punch also. Only downside I have found so far is that it
    seems to go through CO2 a lot quicker.

    The 1322 (the .22 version of the 1377) is also a nice pistol. It is a pump-pistol. I believe the barrel is a little longer than the one on the
    2240, but the breech, bolt, and rear sights appear real similar. Like the 1377, it is also pretty accurate.

    I don't know how much experience you have with .22 pellets, but my
    experience has been that the Crosman Premier domed hollow-points penetrate things like duct seal or old, thick software manuals a lot better than the other kinds I have tried. :) Fired from the springer, they will go
    through a 1/4" aspen plywood board.

    │ I ended up ordering a custom gun through Crosman's online ordering method (a │ 2400kt "carbine"). It's a longer barrel than I really wanted (14" instead of │ 10"), but I like the foregrip idea of the 2400 (based on the 2250, which I
    │ guess is marketed as the "Rat Catcher" in some places). And I think all told │ with a lifetime warranty, it was only $116. It should arrive in a couple of
    │ weeks. I already have a CP laser/light combo ready for it.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    Sweet. I saw that link the other day. Maybe I was not using the site correctly, but it appeared that they only really offered one "base gun" to start with. I was thinking it might be nice to get one of their rifles
    with a larger-calibre barrel than they usually come with.

    │ I like air guns because I can shoot them in my backyard and most everything
    │ about them is much cheaper than firearms (except maybe the optics). └─[DM=>AC]

    Yes, the optics do not seem much cheaper, and I am leary of the ones that
    are. :)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to AMERICAN CLASSIC766 on Thu Feb 21 13:44:00 2013
    Re: Air Guns?
    By: AMERICAN CLASSIC766 to DIGITAL MAN on Wed Feb 20 2013 07:35 pm

    │I've had a Gamo break barrel .177 (1000fps) for several years now which I've │used to kill rats and gophers on occasion and scare away the coyotes. But since │it's really a long range/scoped gun, it's not very practical for the up close │encounters I typically have with our tree/roof rats. └─[DM=>AC]

    The break barrel I have is a Beeman "dual-caliber" Sportsman RS2. It comes with a .177 and a .22 barrel. I shot it a little with the .177 when I
    first got it, then put the .22 on and so far have not switched it back. I use it to shoot targets, and have found it real accurate with the open sights at ~ 10 yards. I have not been able to get out somewhere in the
    open to shoot it any greater distance than that just yet.

    It came with a scope, uninstalled. From what I read about it online, the scope is difficult to keep zeroed (or even installed) on the spring-piston gun as it has too much recoil. Since I never tried it, I am not sure if that is true. I instead installed the scope on my 766. It is not bad for
    a cheap scope, and that gun does not move much when fired, even with 10 pumps in it.

    Walmart sells the RS2 as the "Grizzly X2" for somewhere around $120US. I would imagine that it would put a tree-rat in a heap of hurt.

    I was amazed at some of the deals at Walmart (where I bought my CP laser/light combo), but they don't cary any of the higher end Crosmans (e.g. 2240, 1377, etc.).

    │I was looking for an air pistol for myself recently (for those "up close" rat │encounters) and was seriously considering the Crosman 357 (.177 pellet), but │decided I needed a .22 pellet for more effective (and humane) pest control. │That's when I found the world of Crosman 2240 and all the modders/kits etc for │it.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    Based on my experience, I would say you made a good choice against the 357.
    It is a nice-looking gun, and I have found it is good fun for close-range plinking -- soda cans, etc. It is not much of a target pistol, and is not very accurate at more than 5-7 yards. If one were to try to use it for anything that required precise targeting... shooting a bullseye, or a small animal... I would expect they'd be frustrated with it.

    Yeah. It might make a nice semi-auto back-up or something (like I need one?).

    I have limited experience with the 2240, but I think it is a much better choice. It is quite a bit more accurate than the 357. I believe it packs
    a little more punch also. Only downside I have found so far is that it seems to go through CO2 a lot quicker.

    The 1322 (the .22 version of the 1377) is also a nice pistol. It is a pump-pistol. I believe the barrel is a little longer than the one on the 2240, but the breech, bolt, and rear sights appear real similar. Like the 1377, it is also pretty accurate.

    Yes, I believe a lot of the parts/accessories are interchangeable between the 2240/2250 and the 1377/1322.

    I don't know how much experience you have with .22 pellets, but my experience has been that the Crosman Premier domed hollow-points penetrate things like duct seal or old, thick software manuals a lot better than the other kinds I have tried. :) Fired from the springer, they will go
    through a 1/4" aspen plywood board.

    This'll be my first .22 pellet gun. I purchased a Crosman/Benjamin sample pack of pellets (100 of each type) and I'm looking forward to experimenting with them.

    │ I ended up ordering a custom gun through Crosman's online ordering method (a │ 2400kt "carbine"). It's a longer barrel than I really wanted (14" instead of │ 10"), but I like the foregrip idea of the 2400 (based on the 2250, which I │ guess is marketed as the "Rat Catcher" in some places). And I think all told │ with a lifetime warranty, it was only $116. It should arrive in a couple of │ weeks. I already have a CP laser/light combo ready for it.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    Sweet. I saw that link the other day. Maybe I was not using the site correctly, but it appeared that they only really offered one "base gun" to start with.

    They have 2 "base guns" you can start with:
    * 2300KT (which is basically the 2240, but you can choose a .177 barrel if you wish along with many other options)
    * 2400KT (which is basically the 2250, again lots of options).

    I was thinking it might be nice to get one of their rifles
    with a larger-calibre barrel than they usually come with.

    │ I like air guns because I can shoot them in my backyard and most everything │ about them is much cheaper than firearms (except maybe the optics). └─[DM=>AC]

    Yes, the optics do not seem much cheaper, and I am leary of the ones that are. :)

    I've been happy the cheap scope that came with my Gamo (a very light/quiet shooter), but other than that, I have some nicer optics (Leapers, Aimpoint, etc.).

    digital man

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  • From AMERICAN CLASSIC766@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Feb 25 19:02:00 2013
    │ > Walmart sells the RS2 as the "Grizzly X2" for somewhere around $120US. I │ > would imagine that it would put a tree-rat in a heap of hurt.

    │I was amazed at some of the deals at Walmart (where I bought my CP laser/light │combo), but they don't cary any of the higher end Crosmans (e.g. 2240, 1377, │etc.).
    └─[DM=>AC]

    Yeah, mine seems to carry more of the decent rifles than the pistols. After buying the Beeman there, I am shocked they even carry those. Now that real ammo has been harder to come by (they can't keep .22 or any other common
    ammo on the shelves), I have noticed that they seem to be carrying a better selection of pellets.

    │This'll be my first .22 pellet gun. I purchased a Crosman/Benjamin sample pack │of pellets (100 of each type) and I'm looking forward to experimenting with │them.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    If that is the "Discovery" pack, my somewhat limited experience with their
    .22 pellets says that all 4 of the offerings in that sample will probably please. I don't have any experience with the .22 Destroyers (the ones that
    are "hollow" and "pointy"), but the pointed pellets, and both of the domed varieties, seem to carry some punch.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to AMERICAN CLASSIC766 on Fri Mar 1 22:02:19 2013
    Re: Air Guns?
    By: AMERICAN CLASSIC766 to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Feb 25 2013 07:02 pm

    │This'll be my first .22 pellet gun. I purchased a Crosman/Benjamin sample pack │of pellets (100 of each type) and I'm looking forward to
    experimenting with │them.
    └─[DM=>AC]

    If that is the "Discovery" pack, my somewhat limited experience with their
    .22 pellets says that all 4 of the offerings in that sample will probably please. I don't have any experience with the .22 Destroyers (the ones that are "hollow" and "pointy"), but the pointed pellets, and both of the domed varieties, seem to carry some punch.

    Yes, it's the Discovery pack. I've only experimented with the Super Points so far. I'm waiting for my optics to be delivered next week to do some more serious testing.

    digital man

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