• Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Al on Sat Dec 12 19:05:22 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Al to Arelor on Sat Dec 12 2020 11:58 am

    I'll reply to all your messages just once. I am (at least trying) to be non-partisan.

    There is lots to get political about this subject but on the face of it, the core issue is not political.

    I am trying to give standing to the core issue, that a black person or anyon really, should not have to fear the police as is the case today. That is an issue that shouldn't exist but it does.

    Sometimes police do kill people who threaten them or others, I accept that.

    So many times police have killed or hurt someone without justification of an kind, black people especially.

    The reason may be racism or just a bad attitude. Those reasons don't justify the reality of these deaths.

    If we can find a way to address that core issue we can leave behind all the politics that ensue.

    Hi,

    I have been to college so let me share my experience. College is usually plagued with activist groups trying to accomplish various things. Often, those things are not the sort of issue you correlate with a political party or a politician. An example would be a student org trying to get propietary software replaced by FOSS in the lab's computers.

    Often, these organizations describe themselves as apolitical.

    The issue is as soon as you are trying to push for a change in the behaviour or management of a community you are becoming politically active. Once you try to set policies to accomplish a goal you are becoming political. It is this simple. If you try to rise awaremess about how bad propietary software is you do so because you expect to eventually get somebody to kick it off from the lab and rule (formally ot not) that FOSS will be used from then on.

    Matters become more complicated because once awareness exists in the community, some political party will show up and offer political representation to this group. When the group accepts the offer (which they usually do) then the group is both political and partisan. The arrangement is usually that the student org tells everybody how great the political party is, and funnels funds or resources into it (often with shady methods). The party offers the group political representation and favor trafficking.

    It becomes even worse when an student group that describes themselves as apolitical or transversal happens to defend a political program that adjusts 100% to that of some political party. I have seen that personally and it is cringeworthy.

    Bottom line, I am aware the KKK exists, profiling exists etc, but trying to rise awareness about it and trying to set policies against such things is a political activity by definition even if the group is not partisan - and as I have said, BLM and friends are partisan as heck. Damn, there are videos of BLM activists putting people on their knees and making them promise they won't vote Republican.
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Arelor on Sun Dec 13 00:12:02 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Arelor to Al on Sat Dec 12 2020 07:05 pm

    I have been to college so let me share my experience. College is usually plagued with activist groups trying to accomplish various things. Often, those things are not the sort of issue you correlate with a political party or a politician. An example would be a student org trying to get propietary software replaced by FOSS in the lab's computers.

    Often, these organizations describe themselves as apolitical.

    I am not advocating for any political party or suggesting any kind of activism.

    I do not support the BLM movement itself, it has become too political and it wants to defund the police. That's a really bad idea. I don't think defund the police as they say it means defund the police as we generally understand it but they can clear that up for themselves if they care to.

    I do though, support the idea that black lives do matter. I think that all lives matter so it's not much of a leap for me to say that, or support that cause.

    The issue is as soon as you are trying to push for a change in the behaviour or management of a community you are becoming politically active. Once you try to set policies to accomplish a goal you are becoming political. It is this simple. If you try to rise awaremess about how bad propietary software is you do so because you expect to eventually get somebody to kick it off from the lab and rule (formally ot not) that FOSS will be used from then on.

    I see a need for change but just how that change will happen or if it will happen at all I don't know. I'm not sure what the solution is and I'm a little leery of bringing politicians and lawmakers into it but it is likely to need some political and law "can do" to make any effective change.

    If some kind of change doesn't happen we are likely to see more of the same.

    Matters become more complicated because once awareness exists in the community, some political party will show up and offer political representation to this group. When the group accepts the offer (which they usually do) then the group is both political and partisan. The arrangement is usually that the student org tells everybody how great the political party is, and funnels funds or resources into it (often with shady methods). The party offers the group political representation and favor trafficking.

    This is the reason I am leery of politics and politicians. It could end up being some kind of battle between the left and right that will never be concluded.

    Damn, there are videos of BLM activists putting people on their knees and making them promise they won't vote Republican.

    I have never seen or heard this, maybe because I don't have eyes on the BLM movement. Do you have a link to one of these videos?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Al on Sun Dec 13 04:06:43 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Al to Arelor on Sun Dec 13 2020 12:12 am

    I have never seen or heard this, maybe because I don't have eyes on the BLM movement. Do you have a link to one of these videos?

    I don¤ t really save links because those are usually distributed via social media and messaging applications and I use neither. When I get exposed to such content is usually because some friend comes to me with a phone or a computer and tells me "Look at this crap!"


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Arelor on Mon Dec 14 01:07:55 2020
    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Arelor to Al on Sat Dec 12 2020 02:49:50

    There is lots going on in politics that is debatable but the issue here is n political. It's a simple question of justice.

    The question is simple although the answer may not be easy.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    Whether group A has more or less rights than group B and how to deal with it is a political matter. I'd be a political matter even if it was non-partisan population into minorities and then telling them that all their trouble has been caused by heterowhites.
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    Did they now have explicit Marxist agendas, which have since been dropped from the site after it was exposed?

    They definately act as a political group. They're not a charity, are they?

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Hobo on Mon Dec 28 01:50:58 2020
    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Hobo to All on Wed Dec 09 2020 11:53 am

    So.... The Supreme Court won't entertain the idea that the election was stolen in Pennsylvania. This decison makes it next to impossible for Trump to prevail in his bid to overturn the election.

    I've been saying since the election that there was a very simple way for everyone to know with certainty whether there were any shenanigans going on with the election, and that was to watch the Supreme Court.

    Why have I been saying this? Because 6 of the 9 justices are conservative, and 3 of those were appointed by Trump himself. If there was sufficient fraud to overturn this election, the Supreme Court would have dealt with it. We know from precedent (Bush/Gore 2000) that they'll get involved if need be.

    Even though the court leans so heavily to the right, I fully expected them to not touch this.

    Why? Because the only real fraud is the claims of fraud. The only one really trying to steal the election is Trump. I know many of his supporters wish it weren't so... but wishing don't make reality.

    Anyone agree or disagree?

    -Hobo

    I think it has more to do with everyone involved not wanting to be anywhere near this. It's about keeping the peace over political allegiances.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Gamgee on Mon Dec 28 01:55:21 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Gamgee to Al on Fri Dec 11 2020 02:35 am

    Al wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?

    Hello?

    Gamer?

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Al on Mon Dec 28 01:55:52 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Al to Gamgee on Fri Dec 11 2020 03:08 am

    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Gamgee to Al on Thu Dec 10 2020 09:35 pm

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Haha! Good one!


    Wrong, but funny.

    Wrong, how?

    Someone enjoys being coy.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Vlk-451 on Sun Dec 27 20:04:45 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:55 am

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Wrong, but funny.

    Wrong, how?

    Someone enjoys being coy.

    Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it is not the left.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 07:30:00 2020
    Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Al wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
    Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?

    Hello?

    Gamer?

    Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
    you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
    none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.



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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/THEWASTE to Gamgee on Mon Dec 28 08:14:55 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Gamgee to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 07:30 am

    Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Al wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
    Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?

    Hello?

    Gamer?

    Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
    you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
    none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.

    I was intending to reply to Al and Arelor, I used one of your posts to quote them, forgot to change the names away from you to one of them, simple and honest mistake from posting too quickly.

    I'm sure you've made that mistake before at least once in your life, so in that instance I would hope you understand.

    Gamer? My mom is trying to use the modem, I think the connection is br#@$2in% #p. H&6lo?

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Al on Mon Dec 28 16:01:06 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Al to Vlk-451 on Sun Dec 27 2020 08:04 pm

    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:55 am

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Wrong, but funny.

    Wrong, how?

    Someone enjoys being coy.

    Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it is not the left.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    That's seemingly an argument of semantics to most people.

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  • From Hobo@VERT/MYSTIDOG to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 19:49:42 2020
    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Hobo on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:50:58

    I think it has more to do with everyone involved not wanting to be anywhere near this. It's about keeping the peace over political allegiances.

    You think it's that simple? There is no "Keeping The Peace" when a 3 year old narcisist tyrant goes on a rampage. Shit's gonna get flung about. The harder you try to "keep the peace" the worse it gets.

    -Hobo


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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 15:36:41 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:01 pm

    Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it
    is not the left.

    That's seemingly an argument of semantics to most people.

    It's not semantic at all. There is a problem behind the protests and riots that follow, but that is not the left.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Hobo on Tue Dec 29 01:12:58 2020
    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Hobo to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 07:49 pm

    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Hobo on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:50:58

    I think it has more to do with everyone involved not wanting to be anywhere near this. It's about keeping the peace over political allegiances.

    You think it's that simple? There is no "Keeping The Peace" when a 3 year old narcisist tyrant goes on a rampage. Shit's gonna get flung about. The harder you try to "keep the peace" the worse it gets.

    -Hobo


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    As a former fed, yeah. That's all I saw. People covering their asses.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Al on Tue Dec 29 01:19:36 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Al to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 03:36 pm

    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Al on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:01 pm

    Just being real. Someone or group may be protesting or rioting, but it
    is not the left.

    That's seemingly an argument of semantics to most people.

    It's not semantic at all. There is a problem behind the protests and riots that follow, but that is not the left.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Because you're the arbiter of what is and isn't "The Left"?

    Are we talking about the authoritarian left or the liberal left? Surely the people involved in the riots and protests over these non-descript problems surely share some leftist ideology.

    This is the exact shit enlightened leftists like yourself pulled with that entire GamerGate debackle bck in 2015. Shift the narrative, redefine the terms, dissociate with all radical elements while painting your political rivals as nothing but extremeists.

    It's not healthy to the ability for either side to communicate effectively and by trying to win some sort of ideological argument you aren't actally reaching me with your points.

    To someone like me, it is semantics, because while I agree with your general notion, your tone and way of leading the argument reaks of "No it's actually this way because I'm better then you and my farts smell awesome. Wana sniff?"

    A lot of people on the right feel that way trying to talk to people on the left, I think it's one of the major sources on contention between the two groups.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 18:54:02 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Vlk-451 to Al on Tue Dec 29 2020 01:19 am

    It's not semantic at all. There is a problem behind the protests and
    riots that follow, but that is not the left.

    Because you're the arbiter of what is and isn't "The Left"?

    I am not the arbiter of anything at all. I am just saying that this is not a left or right issue and neither is the solution whatever that might happen to be.


    Are we talking about the authoritarian left or the liberal left? Surely the people involved in the riots and protests over these non-descript problems surely share some leftist ideology.

    This is not a non descript problem. It would be easier to understand and solve without the <left this> or <right that> comments.

    To someone like me, it is semantics, because while I agree with your general notion, your tone and way of leading the argument reaks of "No it's actually this way because I'm better then you and my farts smell awesome. Wana sniff?"

    Just so you know my farts are not usually all that good, and sometimes downright nasty. I wouldn't suggest anyone go there.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 19:21:00 2020
    Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Al wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
    Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?

    Hello?

    Gamer?

    Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
    you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
    none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.

    I was intending to reply to Al and Arelor, I used one of your
    posts to quote them, forgot to change the names away from you to
    one of them, simple and honest mistake from posting too quickly.

    Why would you use my post and then need to remember to change the
    names? You replied to what "Al" posted, so just reply to his message
    and there's no need to change names. Simple, huh?

    I'm sure you've made that mistake before at least once in your
    life, so in that instance I would hope you understand.

    Actually, no, I have never made that mistake, so there is no "that
    instance". Good try, though. Well, mediocre try, anyway.


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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to Gamgee on Tue Dec 29 03:36:25 2020
    Re: Re: Supreme Court Rejects Pennsylvania Lawsuit
    By: Gamgee to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 07:21 pm

    Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Al wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you are talking about left organizations sponsoring groups that riot and vandalize in order to bring unstability against society and the federal government, then I agree it sucks and that burning the streets is highly divisive behaviour.

    The left does not sponsor groups or rioting.

    Ummm. Social Justics courses, human resources, the ADL, other
    Provda outlets that churn out regressive and inflamed articles?

    Hello?

    Gamer?

    Hello? Gamer? Learn how to read/post, wouldja? The text above that
    you quoted was a conversation between "Al" and "Arelor", and I wrote
    none of that. Not sure why you replied to me. Please try harder.

    I was intending to reply to Al and Arelor, I used one of your
    posts to quote them, forgot to change the names away from you to
    one of them, simple and honest mistake from posting too quickly.

    Why would you use my post and then need to remember to change the
    names? You replied to what "Al" posted, so just reply to his message
    and there's no need to change names. Simple, huh?

    I'm sure you've made that mistake before at least once in your
    life, so in that instance I would hope you understand.

    Actually, no, I have never made that mistake, so there is no "that instance". Good try, though. Well, mediocre try, anyway.


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    Well, I was thinking about kicking your ass for talking all that shit.

    It's like I said, I plan on squatting / going full hobo. By that time I might have over my life time been able to mooch enough to get myself a trailer and move out to that lawless garbage city in the desert of california with no laws. I'll get satalite internet and solar panels/alternative energy sources.

    Shit, by 2050, I'm sure energy technology will advance enough for me to squeeze by on trash and duck tape.

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