• The Nomads of the Net (1993)

    From @lkosov@tilde.town to tilde.text on Tue May 4 17:25:30 2021
    I came to the Tildeverse by way of cmcabe's paper about pubnix systems that
    was posted on tildes.net, which I found being promoted on Reddit during one
    of the user uprisings there. I found the community ideas interesting, as
    they echoed a lot of the stories of the 'net from the pre-WWW days, and as a Linux sysadmin I'm no stranger to the command line.

    I spend a lot of time digging around the 'net and web, hunting for long-forgotten communities of yore. Part of the appeal is the thrill of discovery, reading things that man has not laid eyes upon in, sometimes,
    twenty years. Part of it's an insight into the early years of the 'net, in
    the contemporary words of people who almost certainly thought what they were typing mundane and ephemeral. And part of it is trying to spot, to
    recognize, why these communities were, how they thrived, and why they are no more, that the online communities of today (and tomorrow) might learn from
    the past.

    I think I mentioned the newsgroup alt.callahans on here once; it was a very popular social and role-playing group, once upon a time. Over the years, a
    few groups spun off from it, perhaps most prominently the alt.dragons-inn community.

    Well, another, much shorter-lived, spinoff was alt.kalbo, created in late
    1993. Google Groups has *almost* all the old threads back to the beginning, some 1300 or so. (Though the most recent few hundred are, predictably,
    spam.) It was meant to be a smaller, cozier, community for a group (in?)formally calling themselves the Nomads of the Net, somewhere to
    socialize that was (stop me if this sounds familiar) less overwhelming, less *busy*, than alt.callahans or alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst (another
    short-lived spinoff from the early '90s).

    Interestingly, the genesis of the idea, the manifesto, almost, survives, on LiveJournal, (re)posted by one of the original authors in 2014 as "relevant wisdom from the deep-net past": https://elimloth.livejournal.com/84721.html

    I'll quote one bit here, between dashed lines:

    ---

    "Something of a legend in the history of the Net, the Alt.Nomads were
    known to have established encampments in at least half a dozen
    formerly deserted newsgroups, and were rumored to have resettled many
    more. The exact numbers were hard to determine, since once a
    newsgroup reached a certain size, the Nomads tended to move on. They
    would usually leave behind a flourishing culture, which had
    incorporated many of their customs and mores.

    Sharply contrasting with many of the other Net groups, this culture
    strongly emphasized courtesy and respect for both inhabitants and
    visitors. It was notable for a love of music and laughter, and an
    enjoyment of storytelling and wordplay of all sorts."

    ---

    Eerily relatable, non?

    In a thread from November 1993, I found some interesting comments that I
    think are equally relatable, and worth thinking about, vis-a-vis online communities and the Tildeverse and all that jazz: (Most quotation marks are verbatim; it was a convention at the time to write in the third person, and
    put one's speech in quote marks.)

    ---

    David Mar:

    "[T]oday I looked at alt.kalbo as a respite from
    the rest of the Net. Somewhere to relax and _unwind_. I loved hearing
    about your surprise party for Rosty, Liralen.

    "The folks here, we've known each other for a while - we don't need the
    intros and the frantic 'searching for a purpose with this new group of
    people'. Man, it's nice to sit here and just chat, _really_ chat, with
    a bunch of friends." "

    ---

    Mary A. Mark:

    "I'm awfully glad we went ahead
    and invaded alt.kalbo, to create a smaller, less-known space.
    The overwhelming success of the coffeehouse has been a terrific
    proof of concept for social spaces on the net - but it's too large
    for me. And I find a.c has become too large and noisy for me as well.
    This is pretty good - a few more people would be welcome, but nothing
    like the triple-digit-per-day posting of the others. "

    I actually find it a *physical* difference -
    partly I suspect because logging into a.c had gotten very
    stressful for me - I'd start to tense up as soon as I thought about
    it and then sit there scanning message lines as fast as I could
    trying to distinguish things I really wanted to read from those
    I wasn't interested in or didn't have time for - and feeling
    guilty at all the time it took to even do that - it just
    wasn't pleasant at all! And that was *without* actually dealing
    with any of the content...

    "Here, I find myself physically relaxing and slowing down -
    I have a sense of anticipation, of looking forward to this -
    I log in, and think 'How many messages are there today? Wow - 10!'
    and as I read through everything, I file things that I might
    keep or reply to into incoming mail, where I can think
    about them, and reread them, and maybe answer them later on...
    And while I'm doing that, I'm slowing down - there's a sense
    that I can take time with this, give it my attention, enjoy it.

    "It really is a completely different sensation, at a very direct
    physical level."

    ---

    What happened to the Nomads, and alt.kalbo, you might ask? As with
    everything else that was good online in the '90s, it got eaten by the WWW
    and early social media - in this case LiveJournal.

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  • From Case Duckworth@acdw@acdw.net to tilde.text on Tue May 4 12:50:39 2021
    ""lkosov"" <lkosov@tilde.town> writes:

    What happened to the Nomads, and alt.kalbo, you might ask? As with
    everything else that was good online in the '90s, it got eaten by the WWW
    and early social media - in this case LiveJournal.

    Maybe they were eaten, but I think that --- and I suppose this is your
    point ---- the Tildeverse kind of resurrects the spirit, at least so far
    as I can tell. I came about way after all of this original Usenet
    stuff; I was a child when the Eternal September happened, for example.
    But I really like the vibe of this newsgroup thing -- and I like how
    many/few messages we have with tilde.* groups. Like the last guy you
    mention, it's around 10 or so messages a day, on a *busy* day, so that's
    nice.

    Anyway thanks for sharing the article, really great read!

    --
    ~ acdw
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  • From James Tomasino@tomasino@cosmic.voyage to tilde.text on Wed May 5 09:41:50 2021
    On 2021-05-04, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    Well, another, much shorter-lived, spinoff was alt.kalbo, created in late 1993.

    Wow, that really does sound familiar! It makes me want to muse on what
    tildes (and the tildeverse as a whole) mean to me. I'll probably take to
    gopher for that later. I agree with all this sentiment, though. It's a
    shame whenever a good community fizzles out, but it's nice that we have
    new ones that fit the vibe.
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  • From f6k@f6k@huld.re to tilde.text on Tue Jun 8 12:51:40 2021
    hello

    On 2021-05-04, lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    I think I mentioned the newsgroup alt.callahans on here once; it was
    a very popular social and role-playing group, once upon a time. Over
    the years, a few groups spun off from it, perhaps most prominently
    the alt.dragons-inn community.

    Well, another, much shorter-lived, spinoff was alt.kalbo, created in late 1993.

    thank you for sharing; it was a very interesting reading.

    Mary A. Mark:

    [SNIP]

    "Here, I find myself physically relaxing and slowing down - I have a
    sense of anticipation, of looking forward to this - I log in, and
    think 'How many messages are there today? Wow - 10!' and as I read
    through everything, I file things that I might keep or reply to into
    incoming mail, where I can think about them, and reread them, and
    maybe answer them later on... And while I'm doing that, I'm slowing
    down - there's a sense that I can take time with this, give it my
    attention, enjoy it.

    that is quite 'fun' to read.

    nowadays, with all the social medias, the "all connected, always", many
    people are trying to "slow down", to escape from the WWW madness, from
    all the solicitations, updates, etc., which make you feel overwhelmed.
    hence some of us trying to reconnect to simplier things, slower things
    like pubnixes, gopher, news, or gemini.

    and here i read Mary A. Mark saying that, in the 90's (the real one,
    not the idealized one), she was trying to find a slower, relaxing
    place, that let her time and opportunity to really give attention, far
    away from "all the solicitations, updates, etc." of the network.

    i really wonder what would be her thougts about the modern internet.
    and, personally, it also makes me relativize on my own relationship to
    the network. it's clearly not just about protocols.

    -f6k
    --
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  • From joe@joe@raspberry.none to tilde.text on Thu Feb 24 13:42:49 2022
    lkosov <lkosov@tilde.town> wrote:
    I spend a lot of time digging around the 'net and web, hunting for long-forgotten communities of yore. Part of the appeal is the thrill of discovery, reading things that man has not laid eyes upon in, sometimes, twenty years.

    Longer than 20 years! I sometimes look for old stuff I wrote on usenet
    decades ago. Sometimes I find my old code or things I'd said years ago.

    What happened to the Nomads, and alt.kalbo, you might ask? As with
    everything else that was good online in the '90s, it got eaten by the WWW
    and early social media - in this case LiveJournal.

    I don't think we realized what we had when we had it. I really miss
    those old text mode interfaces. I do everything I can in a terminal,
    because I prefer the terminal. I'm not the only one. :-)

    Computers were fun.

    Nowadays, computers, the internet seems more like an elaborate tracking
    device globalist comunists plan on using to control and monitor us
    goyim. All the jobs I've had since 2002 or so have been about sniffing
    logs, driving traffic, exploiting people, holding them liable for stuff.

    It's been a long time since I've done something truly useful, like code
    up a dBASE app for a small business. Last job I had was mostly about
    helping employees rat each other out. It deeply saddens me to see the
    new generation being brought up in this fascist climate, this must
    seem "normal" to them.

    I suppose that's inevitable, everything that can be computerized has
    been computerized. All that remains is to computerize each other.

    There are lots of people who feel as we do though.

    Don't be surprised if the technocracy push their user bases into
    alternatives, such as tilde and bitchute. Many people are waking up to
    what is happening, they're both terrified and angry.

    We may see a resurgence in the old technology, too. Especially as ransomeware attacks become more common. I've been told the military uses 8" floppies
    on antiquated computers because no one knows how to hack them, I don't
    know if that's true... but it isn't a bad idea.

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  • From snowcrash@snowcrash@tilde.pink to tilde.text on Mon Feb 28 13:01:34 2022
    This is wonderful suggestion. Most wholeheartedly felt thanks.
    Also, you provided quite the thorough insight. I can see the effort you
    put in it and the enthusiasm you've developed for this sort of things.
    --
    “Hell is empty and all the devils are here.„

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