https://hackaday.com/blog/?s=lora+mesh
https://www.ebyte.com/en/product-view-news.aspx?id=660 https://statics3.seeedstudio.com/assets/file/bazaar/product/HC-12_english_datasheets.pdf
! ( Owlways watchin' ya! )
! _ /
! \o.o
! |_|)
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I've some doubt about speed and range but decided to stay ommmPtimistic.
Maybe some speed and range infos can be found there?
https://hackaday.com/blog/?s=lora+mesh
My LoRa and HC-12 modules still are waiting to get tested ...
https://www.ebyte.com/en/product-view-news.aspx?id=660 https://statics3.seeedstudio.com/assets/file/bazaar/product/HC-12_english_datasheets.pdf
... and my UUCP experiments currently only are inching forward at speed
in the ångström per liter coffee steps... :-/
Oh yes, there will be speed and range issues for sure, but...
- I may have found a way around range issues, although it would
require at least a dozen nodes in geographical cluster.
- Patience, we must remember that this will not be up to snuff with
the speed we are used to nowadays, I think the bitrate is around
50kb/s, so we're looking at late 80s/early 90s speed, if that, which I
can live with.
On an unrelated note, I have also purchased a copy of the UUCP bible,
and I'm crossing my fingers to see if it makes it across the Atlantic
safely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCLb2eItDyE
Oh yes, there will be speed and range issues for sure, but...
- I may have found a way around range issues, although it would
require at least a dozen nodes in geographical cluster.
- Patience, we must remember that this will not be up to snuff with
the speed we are used to nowadays, I think the bitrate is around
50kb/s, so we're looking at late 80s/early 90s speed, if that, which I
can live with.
On an unrelated note, I have also purchased a copy of the UUCP bible,
and I'm crossing my fingers to see if it makes it across the Atlantic
safely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCLb2eItDyE
Oh yes, there will be speed and range issues for sure, but...
- I may have found a way around range issues, although it would
require at least a dozen nodes in geographical cluster.
- Patience, we must remember that this will not be up to snuff with
the speed we are used to nowadays, I think the bitrate is around
50kb/s, so we're looking at late 80s/early 90s speed, if that, which I
can live with.
On an unrelated note, I have also purchased a copy of the UUCP bible,
and I'm crossing my fingers to see if it makes it across the Atlantic
safely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCLb2eItDyE
Looks I screwed up the followup to the above. I have it as sent in GNUS
but dont find it in the group.
A meanwhile extended version of it is at: https://tildegit.org/UUCP-Grassroots/incubator/wiki/Home#scratching-my-head-without-seeing-success
And now the bucket of tea!
\o/
MESH THE PLANET!
I'd expect it to be like 1200-2400 bytes/s over 1-2km. In FidoNet days
that was ok to get the daily mail and news.
You mean kilobit/s?
! (yeti@kumari:2)~$ dc <<< '50000 8 / p'
! 6250
...wouldn't be sooo far off my guesses...
On 22/03/2021 06:11, yeti wrote:
Yes, either way, I'm only really expecting/aiming for FidoNet speed
and ability, I'm *really* not getting my hopes up. LoRa has much
better range though, dependent on line-of-sight compared to things
like HC -
12, around 200km on a good day with good quality hardware.
"Joe (~rebello) Harley" <rebello@tilde.club> writes:
On 22/03/2021 06:11, yeti wrote:
Yes, either way, I'm only really expecting/aiming for FidoNet speed
and ability, I'm *really* not getting my hopes up. LoRa has much
better range though, dependent on line-of-sight compared to things
like HC -
12, around 200km on a good day with good quality hardware.
200km sure not with old modem's speeds.
On 22/03/2021 23:52, yeti wrote:
"Joe (~rebello) Harley" <rebello@tilde.club> writes:
On 22/03/2021 06:11, yeti wrote:
Yes, either way, I'm only really expecting/aiming for FidoNet speed
and ability, I'm *really* not getting my hopes up. LoRa has much
better range though, dependent on line-of-sight compared to things
like HC -
12, around 200km on a good day with good quality hardware.
200km sure not with old modem's speeds.
Well... 200km is the world record.
As to UUCP over LoRa, it works, see: https://github.com/jgoerzen/lorapipe/blob/master/doc/lorapipe.1.md
Right now, I'm at the stage where I have a solid idea of how this will
work, the hardware required, and a couple of technical hurdles and how
to overcome them with keeping overhead generally low.
My LoRa modules are 433MHz-ish as my HC-12 modules are too. As far as I could read, both are legal here. 866MHz would be too, but I expect
433MHz to have the longer reach.
But UUCP via phone line, VPN (TOR?), and SSH has higher priority for me.
But now for something not really completely different:
I got nuts ... mail between kumari and cubietruck1 addressing me with
FQDN works since yesterday(?) but with short hostname only address was
ok from cubietruck1 to kumari, not the other direction. Via `uustat -a`
I noticed the mail on cubietrucl1 being stuck between UUCP and postfix.
After reboot it works.
Linux converges to windows?
It doesn't work?
Reboot!
...maybe some miniscule differences between kumari/Debian-amd64 and cubietruck1/Devuan-armhf. Getting a NetBSD into that mix soon may yield
even more surprises.
Staying ommmMMMmmmMMMmmmptimistic... o:-)
Yeah I'm trying to push on with UUCP myself, but keep hitting
roadblocks, I really need a slightly more in depth guide for UUCP over
SSH, because that seems like the best fit for me at the mo.
SSH over TCP over LoRa?
Still no idea what I want. Maybe turning the transceivers into modems
and adding some encryption might be an idea.
First I need to understand what I'm doing now. I still have the feeling
it (currently cleartext TCP/540) only accidentally works. Unpleasant!
| (yeti@kumari:1)~$ nc cubietruck1 540
| login: kumari
| Password: YeahBabyYeah!!!
| Shere=cubietruck1
Redirecting this thru TOR already might be ™good enough™.
| (yeti@kumari:1)~$ nc cubietruck1 540
| login: kumari
| Password: YeahBabyYeah!!!
| Shere=cubietruck1
Redirecting this thru TOR already might be ™good enough™.
On 22/03/2021 07:58, yeti wrote:
Looks I screwed up the followup to the above. I have it as sent in GNUS
but dont find it in the group.
A meanwhile extended version of it is at:
https://tildegit.org/UUCP-Grassroots/incubator/wiki/Home#scratching-my-head-without-seeing-success
And now the bucket of tea!
\o/
Haha! Minor success! \o/
My UUCP Bible has *just* arrived, so I'll to some similar testing like yourself and get back to you ;)
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
| (yeti@kumari:1)~$ nc cubietruck1 540
| login: kumari
| Password: YeahBabyYeah!!!
| Shere=cubietruck1
Redirecting this thru TOR already might be ™good enough™.
| $ /bin/nc.openbsd -xlocalhost:9050 -X5 sivpkcxodgv6lb5glbygtmspi5dm5kedfhbbdeyadg7btqtb2v666bad.onion 540
| login: kumari
| Password: YeahBabyYeah!!!
| Shere=cubietruck1
Ok... not yet in my UUCP config but nc.openbsd (not every nc can o that)
can reach UUCP via TCP/540 via TOR on cubietruck1. \o/
"Joe (~rebello) Harley" <rebello@tilde.club> writes:
On 22/03/2021 07:58, yeti wrote:
Looks I screwed up the followup to the above. I have it as sent in GNUS >>> but dont find it in the group.
A meanwhile extended version of it is at:
https://tildegit.org/UUCP-Grassroots/incubator/wiki/Home#scratching-my-head-without-seeing-success
And now the bucket of tea!
\o/
Haha! Minor success! \o/
My UUCP Bible has *just* arrived, so I'll to some similar testing like
yourself and get back to you ;)
UUCP is one of those things that I've read a bit about but don't have
much understanding of... have to go read the wiki page about it. Would
love to somehow help/participate in these experiments somehow!
-amr
If I can ever get UUCP over SSH working and can get permission for
running something on my network, I'd be happy to peer maybe if you're
really interested.
| $ /bin/nc.openbsd -xlocalhost:9050 -X5
| sivpkcxodgv6lb5glbygtmspi5dm5kedfhbbdeyadg7btqtb2v666bad.onion 540
| login: kumari
| Password: YeahBabyYeah!!!
| Shere=cubietruck1
...now it doesn't boot any more, not evan any reaction on an attached
HDMI screen...
I'll look at it somewhen later.
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
...now it doesn't boot any more, not evan any reaction on an attached
HDMI screen...
I'll look at it somewhen later.
Ok. Pi1-a lives again, has uucp, ostfix and tor on a freslhy installed RaspiOS and can mail to neighbours over TCP/540 and TCP/540 over TOR
again.
Time for a break.
On 2021-03-29, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
I have little to add to this discussion, but I appreciate you all having
it here. LoLa looks really cool, and I love UUCP.
Yeah, it's hard to get your head around. If I can ever get UUCP over
SSH working and can get permission for running something on my
network, I'd be happy to peer maybe if you're really interested.
Haha! Minor success! \o/
My UUCP Bible has *just* arrived, so I'll to some similar testing like
yourself and get back to you ;)
UUCP is one of those things that I've read a bit about but don't have
much understanding of... have to go read the wiki page about it. Would
love to somehow help/participate in these experiments somehow!
On 23/03/2021 18:50, yeti wrote:
SSH over TCP over LoRa?
Haven't thought of that - My thought was SSH over AX.25 over LoRa.
Been looking into LoRa recently, not really for it's intended purpose,
which is IoT, but for SMS, IRC and a bunch of other internet-like activities.
On 21/03/2021 16:29, yeti wrote:
! ( Owlways watchin' ya! )
! _ /
! \o.o
! |_|)
! ---^-^---------------------------
I've some doubt about speed and range but decided to stay ommmPtimistic.
Maybe some speed and range infos can be found there?
https://hackaday.com/blog/?s=lora+mesh
My LoRa and HC-12 modules still are waiting to get tested ...
https://www.ebyte.com/en/product-view-news.aspx?id=660
https://statics3.seeedstudio.com/assets/file/bazaar/product/HC-12_english_datasheets.pdf
... and my UUCP experiments currently only are inching forward at speed
in the ångström per liter coffee steps... :-/
Oh yes, there will be speed and range issues for sure, but...
- I may have found a way around range issues, although it would require
at least a dozen nodes in geographical cluster.
- Patience, we must remember that this will not be up to snuff with the speed we are used to nowadays, I think the bitrate is around 50kb/s, so we're looking at late 80s/early 90s speed, if that, which I can live with.
I'll have to check that link out! Thanks ;)
I must admit, I thought about UUCP over LoRa, it would be mighty fine
and handy for me, but I'm really getting ahead of myself at the place
I'm at now with the idea.
On an unrelated note, I have also purchased a copy of the UUCP bible,
and I'm crossing my fingers to see if it makes it across the Atlantic safely!
50kbit/s is enough for text mode. Lynx flew in 56k conns, so does gopher.
anthk <anthk@texto-plano.xyz> writes:
50kbit/s is enough for text mode. Lynx flew in 56k conns, so does gopher.
And over which distance can you get 50kbits/s with legal and license
free transmitters?
We nedd to start with what's available.
Typical landline phones are flatrate here and idle >99% of the day.
Let's dig out our trusty old modems again.
[snip]
I'll ommmmmmmm a bit or even a long how to find others with modems...
maybe we should start a list somewhere who is where, has flatrate and
modem, ...
YES!!! \o/
We're getting ever closer to having something good. If we can get TOR working I *may* be able to peer with you, but I can't promise anything.
I'm still sticking with the SSH route for the mo.
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