I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

I'm quite excited by the idea of having some usenet bbs, so
please excuse my over entusiasm :P

First off, I'm wondering, should we have a 'comp.' convention, as it
happens in Usenet? Just to allow for a better namespacing...
If not, please disregard the 'comp.' part in the following
groups names, that I feel like proposing:

tilde.comp.projects
about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
announcements, maybe release notifications)

tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)

tilde.new
announcements about new tildes

tilde.comp.* ?
there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
to get inspieration from?

Thanks and Bye :)
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heyo!

Dacav Doe wrote:

I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

at the comp. convention, I think it's unnecessary

tilde.comp.projects
about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
announcements, maybe release notifications)

tilde.projects already exists

tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)

I'm not sure this would have that much benefit or use...
you can always make a non-bot-dominated security channel and try to get
people in it ;)

tilde.new
announcements about new tildes

that seems like a very limited usecase, but cool nonetheless
it's not like there's a new tilde every month or something

tilde.comp.* ?
there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
to get inspieration from?

would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
local categories inspired from that? probably not...

Thanks and Bye :)

great tha you posted and made your thoughts available, this response is
just my comments about your comments ;P

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On 2020-04-26, jan 6 <jan6@tilde.pizza> wrote:

tilde.comp.security tilde.comp.privacy
I feel like these topics are interesting in the ~ community.
The irc #security channel is a bit sad... :)

I'm not sure this would have that much benefit or use...
you can always make a non-bot-dominated security channel and try to get people in it ;)

If you're looking for more chatter on security and privacy, tilde.black
has local newsgroups dedicated to those topics. You're always welcome to
join multiple tildes.

tilde.new
announcements about new tildes

that seems like a very limited usecase, but cool nonetheless
it's not like there's a new tilde every month or something

That's a good topic to post into this newsgroup, tilde.meta. We have
some of that history in this group that predates club.

tilde.comp.* ?
there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
to get inspieration from?

would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
local categories inspired from that? probably not...

There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
usenet (and its spam bots). As for heirarchy, I think that's something
everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.
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On 2020-04-26, jan 6 <jan6@tilde.pizza> wrote:

tilde.comp.projects
about personal projects, suggestions, collaboration,
announcements, maybe release notifications)

tilde.projects already exists

Yep, this is a bit embarassing. I've noticed it exists after asking it,
and it's not there are so many newsgroups that one is passing unnoticed...

Sorry :P

tilde.comp.* ?
there might be some hierarchy on Usenet that we might want
to get inspieration from?

would be cool if some of the "real" usenet was available, but as for
local categories inspired from that? probably not...

Yes, you're probably right, it would be a duplicate.

great tha you posted and made your thoughts available, this response is
just my comments about your comments ;P

My pleasure :)
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If you're looking for more chatter on security and privacy, tilde.black
has local newsgroups dedicated to those topics. You're always welcome to
join multiple tildes.

Thanks for the suggestion! I will join, probably this evening, or when
I've got time :)

I'm currently on two tildes, but I use only tilde.institute systematically
(in the end I spend most tilde time in IRC, and it's not that I need more
than one at the same time for that purpose. Technically I would not even
need to ssh :-P)

That's a good topic to post into this newsgroup, tilde.meta. We have
some of that history in this group that predates club.

I don't see the posts though. The list is short.

Even on regular Usenet you can see posts disappearing, so I'm guessing
they do have a grace period, but I never looked into the details.

Do you have any suggested read on the topic, btw?

There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
usenet (and its spam bots).
As for heirarchy, I think that's something
everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.

I could not agree more. Usenet is nice, but nowadays I see only crap,
and that's annoying. Then about the 'comp.' is a weak suggestion,
everything will be fine even without :)


Thanks :)
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On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

More proposals:

tilde.warstories
Of that time the SYSOP had to rewire the whole network after someone
accidentally eradicated all cables in the rack.
Of that time the hero programmer found a really horrible memory
corruption bug.
Of that time the noob infected the whole network with ILoveYou

tilde.rants
This JAVA ENTERPRISE library is a piece of sh*t.
Mh, possibly ending up in shitposting...

tilde.shitposting
But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?


Bye :)
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On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

tilde.shitposting
But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?

Honestly I think this is what all the groups will turn into. If
everyone's having fun with it then I'm okay with that.
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On 2020-04-27, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:

On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

On 2020-04-26, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'd like to start a discussion about possible new groups.

tilde.shitposting
But that's probably already tilde.test, huh?

Honestly I think this is what all the groups will turn into.

Aw, come on, such a pessimist! :P
But in reality there's already enogh shitposting on the net...
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:

You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple tildes and
not really use all of them, since I would only have time for one.

Right now I have two accounts since I'm an admin of breadpunk.club and I joined ~town a while ago, and I feel like I am not caring enough about breadpunk and the town. I guess the fact that I have dozens of projects
in progress on both tildes and other places simultaneously does not help much...
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On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:

You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple tildes and
not really use all of them, since I would only have time for one.

Right now I have two accounts since I'm an admin of breadpunk.club and I joined ~town a while ago, and I feel like I am not caring enough about breadpunk and the town. I guess the fact that I have dozens of projects
in progress on both tildes and other places simultaneously does not help much...

I can totally share this feeling. I'm on tilde.institute and tilde.club, yet
I basically never join tilde.club. If anything, services such as IRC or
NNTP are in common.

But isn't that the same situation you would have with the so called 'social'?

Now, I'm not a 'social' (network) guy. In some occasions however I felt I
was missing out, and I thought that I should expand the borders of my social circle to some online community. Let alone the fact that I
could never use systematcally something like Redit or Twitter without
feeling a jack up my rear (I should do everything via TOR maybe), I was immediately astonished by how many of them exist. I could never follow them all,
of course!

I've got many old time friends, some are active on this platform, some on that platform, and this is so annoingly fragmented. I lost track of many
people, as I moved away from my home town. I still hear from a subset of
my friends that share with me the only social-ish (privacy preserving) platform I use.

I've got an idea! We can build another tilde where *EVERYONE* should have an account!!!1! -- it's like the XKCD about stadards :P
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Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> writes:

On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:
I've got an idea! We can build another tilde where *EVERYONE* should have an account!!!1! -- it's like the XKCD about stadards :P

https://xkcd.com/1782
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On 2020-04-28, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

On 2020-04-28, lucitoast <lucitoast@breadpunk.club> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, James Tomasino wrote:

You're always welcome to join multiple tildes.

This is one of the things I have a hard time coming to terms with: I
feel super bad at the idea that I could have accounts on multiple
tildes and not really use all of them, since I would only have time
for one.

I can totally share this feeling. I'm on tilde.institute and
tilde.club, yet I basically never join tilde.club. If anything,
services such as IRC or NNTP are in common.

I definitely wouldn't want to add stress into your life with any of my
tildes. There's a lot of opinions on this, but I hold that my tildes are
geared toward specific kinds of activities and welcome people that use
them in passing.

Cosmic is about writing. You could linger on it and treat it like a
general purpose tilde, coding stuff, chatting, and whatnot, but if all
you ever do is sign in once a year and write a little story, that's
awesome too.

Black is intentionally anonymous, which makes community-building a
little weird. It could be a general purpose tilde, but you're going to
be using dictionary words as names and it naturally hides away who you
are in other ways. If you have a secret project or two you want to keep
from prying eyes, it's good for that, but not inherently social. Even I
don't log into that one all the time, and I'm the admin. :)

I guess if you have an account on town and club or team and institute,
these general tildes are more geared toward the same thing: providing
you a ~home. Trying to stay active on multiple ones, or keep up multiple websites or gopher holes can be tiring. Some people try to give them
purposes on their own (e.g., on town I only talk about art, while on
team I post about programming).

I doubt there's a "right way" to tilde. Please don't stress over it or
feel bad. If it helps, you have my permission and invitaiton to be a
casual, infrequent user of my tildes.
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I think the group names should be rethought.
Maybe it still is early enough.

tilde.black is not about a programming language named black and
tilde.python not about a tilde node named python.

This really should be cleaned up.

E.g.:

tilde.node.black
tilde.comp.lang.python
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On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

tilde.node.black
tilde.comp.lang.python

I have to say, it might be a good convention.
I like the 'node' word (no endorsement to node.js).
I don't know if we're in time or not, but I think we are: there's (sitll?) not much traffic, nor super relevant threads (imo).
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On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:

On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

tilde.node.black
tilde.comp.lang.python

I have to say, it might be a good convention.
I like the 'node' word (no endorsement to node.js).
I don't know if we're in time or not, but I think we are: there's (sitll?) not
much traffic, nor super relevant threads (imo).

I'm interested in the thought of improving the naming convention. As
long as it isn't increasing the complication of the naming since this is really only a small community and dont know that it needs real
complicated naming conventions.

Send a list of how you would see all our current newsgroups and I'm sure
we would all happily consider some changes for sure

Thanks
~deepend
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On 2020-04-30, deepend <deepend@tilde.club> wrote:

On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:

On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'm interested in the thought of improving the naming convention. As
long as it isn't increasing the complication of the naming since this is really only a small community and dont know that it needs real
complicated naming conventions.

Send a list of how you would see all our current newsgroups and I'm sure
we would all happily consider some changes for sure

Also curious to see people's suggestions. the tilde.* grouping was
intended originally to capture the actual tildes. Like, the servers &
such. If we moved stuff that's not a tilde out of tilde.* that would be
cool with me.

Right now this network is on:
tilde.club
tilde.black
tilde.institute
cosmic.voyage
baud.baby
and sort of on tilde.team (clients aren't working, but it's syncing)

We're small enough to pivot if there's a mechanism that makes sense. We
were originally going to syncronize on tilde.* and the other stuff would
stay local. If that should change and black's privacy, security, and
anonymity boards should be shared we can do that too. Whatever drives
adoption.
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On 2020-05-01, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:

On 2020-04-30, deepend <deepend@tilde.club> wrote:

On 2020-04-30 2:39 p.m., Dacav Doe wrote:

On 2020-04-30, yeti@tilde.institute <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

Right now this network is on:
tilde.club
tilde.black
tilde.institute
cosmic.voyage
baud.baby
and sort of on tilde.team (clients aren't working, but it's syncing)

and tilde.pink
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On 2020-05-01, James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:

Also curious to see people's suggestions. the tilde.* grouping was
intended originally to capture the actual tildes. Like, the servers &
such. If we moved stuff that's not a tilde out of tilde.* that would be
cool with me.

I know that the intention is *not* to blend in with regular USENET, but experience tells me that it's wise to avoid global namespaces pollution.
It systematically proves to be a regrettable choice.

I support the "tilde.nodes" prefix, for what is worth.

As an alternative, a good approach could be to keep tilde.* for the nodes (as originally intended) and use an alternative top-level group for anything else.

e.g

tildeverse.projects
tildeverse.hobby
...

Right now this network is on:
tilde.club
tilde.black
tilde.institute
cosmic.voyage
baud.baby

Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

We're small enough to pivot if there's a mechanism that makes sense. We
were originally going to syncronize on tilde.* and the other stuff would
stay local. If that should change and black's privacy, security, and anonymity boards should be shared we can do that too. Whatever drives adoption.

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On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

hit up gopher://baud.baby
no http on that one
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baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
the road. But that's another post.

James Tomasino wrote:

On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

hit up gopher://baud.baby
no http on that one

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On 2020-05-03, Wes Fisher <wfisher@dataforge.network> wrote:

baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
the road. But that's another post.

I'm reading some of it, and it is indeed nice to read. I didn't find so far the story you're mentioning, though. Any pointer?
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Even as a long-time member (current account was created in 2004) who's
hardly active (check email and bboard every few days), I've noticed a
sharp increase in reports of problems and complaints of those problems
not getting fixed over the last couple of years.

If nothing else, it will probably help the adoption of the tildes as
people get fed up with other options. :/

Wes Fisher wrote on 5/3/2020 17:28:

baud.baby is a good plog. I feel his sentiments from SDF especially
after being a member for 20+ years and then thrown off to the side of
the road. But that's another post.

James Tomasino wrote:

On 2020-05-01, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

Baud baby? I never heard of this :D

hit up gopher://baud.baby no http on that one

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On 2020-04-27, Dacav Doe <dacav@tilde.institute> wrote:

There was a conscious decision to keep tilde net news isolated from
usenet (and its spam bots).
As for heirarchy, I think that's something
everyone would love to talk more about as adoption picks up.

I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
want to.
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On 2021-10-28, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
want to.

That's it exactly. I love our quiet little new-net and it's really nice
seeing new folks dropping in from beyond the tilde walls.

There's been some discussion brewing about federating some of our
newsgroups outside the tildeverse. We'll see what comes of that!
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James Tomasino <tomasino@cosmic.voyage> wrote:

On 2021-10-28, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

I'm grateful it's a standalone hierarchy with no absorption of the
regular Usenet stuff. Clean start, in a way. Anyone who can manage a
shell account and slrn knows how to get to the other hierarchies if they
want to.

That's it exactly. I love our quiet little new-net and it's really nice seeing new folks dropping in from beyond the tilde walls.

There's been some discussion brewing about federating some of our
newsgroups outside the tildeverse. We'll see what comes of that!

That might end up as a backdoor to Usenet. For example I noticed a
newsgroup from SDF's NNTP service pop up on the Usenet server I use
a while ago. Though it hasn't exactly got drowned in traffic as a
result :).
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