Good day, sir. I'd like to file a formal complaint, please. How come
there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one? Please give
this complaint the highest priority of them all. Parentheses can't
wait. They're everywhere in my house---I can't breathe. Hurry up, sir.
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

How come there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one?

emacs.ch (Mastodon) has some Schemers and Lispers and I guess I've an
idea why.
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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:13:23 +0042
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

How come there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one?

emacs.ch (Mastodon) has some Schemers and Lispers and I guess I've an
idea why.

There┤s no way I┤m going to talk Lisp outside of NNTP. Programming
takes deep thought, which requires writing.
How are you doing? :)
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:13:23 +0042
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

How come there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one?

emacs.ch (Mastodon) has some Schemers and Lispers and I guess I've an
idea why.

There´s no way I´m going to talk Lisp outside of NNTP. Programming
takes deep thought, which requires writing.

I mainly ignore the federated timelines and emacs.ch and even add the local-only flag to most of my posts. So it's not the complete social
media hell of follower counters I have to bear there. But sure, NNTP
just is the original federation...

How are you doing? :)

I'm playing a bit with Scheme and Lisp (toddler stuff, only slowly
crawling forward because I need to look up too much stuff) and am
dreaming of Peernixes to replace Pubnixes.
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On 3/7/24 3:57 PM, Patricia Ferreira wrote:

Good day, sir. I'd like to file a formal complaint, please. How come there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one? Please give
this complaint the highest priority of them all. Parentheses can't
wait. They're everywhere in my house---I can't breathe. Hurry up, sir.

SICP has embraced JavaScript
Time for nntp to as well!
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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:47:57 +0042
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

How are you doing? :)

I'm playing a bit with Scheme and Lisp (toddler stuff, only slowly
crawling forward because I need to look up too much stuff) and am
dreaming of Peernixes to replace Pubnixes.

Awesome! Join us on
tilde.lis...
Alas---there┤s no such group. Omg, where is the sysadmin? I
mean---look: there┤s even tilde.javascript. Is that a joke? I thought
we were going to void all the PHP jokes here. I mean---Javascript.
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

Awesome! Join us on

tilde.lis...

Alas---there´s no such group. Omg, where is the sysadmin? I
mean---look: there´s even tilde.javascript. Is that a joke? I thought
we were going to void all the PHP jokes here. I mean---Javascript.

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.
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dozens <dozens@tilde.team> writes:

On 3/7/24 3:57 PM, Patricia Ferreira wrote:

Good day, sir. I'd like to file a formal complaint, please. How come
there's a Javascript newsgroup and there's no LISP one? Please give
this complaint the highest priority of them all. Parentheses can't
wait. They're everywhere in my house---I can't breathe. Hurry up, sir.

SICP has embraced JavaScript
Time for nntp to as well!

Lol. I'm afraid that's true, but not officially. Officially, SICP has
kneeled to let the kingdom of Python rise.

SICP: the end of an era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgRFOjVzvm0&t=1s

Terrible mistake for sure. Don't get me wrong---I love Python, but the
MIT move of joining the stupid crowd is a major blunder.
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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

Awesome! Join us on

tilde.lis...

Alas---there´s no such group. Omg, where is the sysadmin? I
mean---look: there´s even tilde.javascript. Is that a joke? I thought
we were going to void all the PHP jokes here. I mean---Javascript.

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.

But it's a violation of descency. LISP, the greatest language of them
all, must always have the first newsgroup after its name. What a daring sysadmin. :)
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

Terrible mistake for sure. Don't get me wrong---I love Python, but the
MIT move of joining the stupid crowd is a major blunder.

I loved Python in its v0 and v1 days, watched it grow following its
newsgroup, but then Python(v>1) grew into a huge monster in an even bigger ecosystem. And if I ever just use PIP to install stuff, just lock me
up!

MicroPython might be a nice replacement, because that would give the
benefit to be useful on normal systems and micro-controllers, but I see
no hints how to install it cleanly on *nixens. It buils and runs fine
and I can do some nice things with it, but information where which µPy
libs should reside in he FS seems just to be missing. I'll get there
some day and sure will look closer at that when I *really* need it.

https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/micropython.html#snacks-for-bigger-sneks https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/micropython.html#emitters

But I'm done with standard Python. Out, over, roger!
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.

But it's a violation of descency. LISP, the greatest language of them
all, must always have the first newsgroup after its name. What a daring sysadmin. :)

I'm so anti-religion, that I avoid such superlatives even in the IT
context. Currently there are far too many LISP missionaries everywhere
and that starts being annoying. A huge fraction of them might just be
victims of the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

LISP is not the answer to everything, Python is not, C is not, ...

Just use the right tool for the job and know more than only a hammer.
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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.

But it's a violation of descency. LISP, the greatest language of them
all, must always have the first newsgroup after its name. What a daring
sysadmin. :)

I'm so anti-religion, that I avoid such superlatives even in the IT
context. Currently there are far too many LISP missionaries everywhere
and that starts being annoying. A huge fraction of them might just be victims of the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

LISP is not the answer to everything, Python is not, C is not, ...

Just use the right tool for the job and know more than only a hammer.

Lol. That's boring. The right way of living is with energy. If you
like PHP, say, you shouldn't say---PHP is a decent language. You should say---PHP is the greatest language of them all and I'm love with Mark Zuckerberg and whatnot.

We need no Dunning nor Kruger.

Religiogize yourself.

Get into the groove.
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

Lol. That's boring. The right way of living is with energy. If you
like PHP, say, you shouldn't say---PHP is a decent language. You should say---PHP is the greatest language of them all and I'm love with Mark Zuckerberg and whatnot.

We need no Dunning nor Kruger.

Religiogize yourself.

Get into the groove.

Then I declare diversity being my religion! ;-P

..and I'm happy with that!
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I do not bite, I just want to play.
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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

Lol. That's boring. The right way of living is with energy. If you
like PHP, say, you shouldn't say---PHP is a decent language. You should
say---PHP is the greatest language of them all and I'm love with Mark
Zuckerberg and whatnot.

We need no Dunning nor Kruger.

Religiogize yourself.

Get into the groove.

Then I declare diversity being my religion! ;-P

Omg, you're one of THOSE! :-P

Off with his head!
-- The Red Queen, Alice in Wonderland.

:)

..and I'm happy with that!

That's good. :) I'm glad you are.
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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.

But it's a violation of descency. LISP, the greatest language of them
all, must always have the first newsgroup after its name. What a daring
sysadmin. :)

I'm so anti-religion, that I avoid such superlatives even in the IT
context. Currently there are far too many LISP missionaries everywhere
and that starts being annoying. A huge fraction of them might just be victims of the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

LISP is not the answer to everything, Python is not, C is not, ...

Just use the right tool for the job and know more than only a hammer.

LISP is the greatest, best programming language. It should be on a
category of it's own. :-P
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Daniel Cerqueira <dan.list@lispclub.com> writes:

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

tilde.institute never complained about code snippets I threw in there.

But it's a violation of descency. LISP, the greatest language of them
all, must always have the first newsgroup after its name. What a daring >>> sysadmin. :)

I'm so anti-religion, that I avoid such superlatives even in the IT
context. Currently there are far too many LISP missionaries everywhere
and that starts being annoying. A huge fraction of them might just be
victims of the Dunning-Kruger-Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

LISP is not the answer to everything, Python is not, C is not, ...

Just use the right tool for the job and know more than only a hammer.

LISP is the greatest, best programming language. It should be on a
category of it's own. :-P

Lol! ``A man after my own heart!'' A category of its own.

Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc,
informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of
Common Lisp. -- Philip Greenspun
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

LISP, the greatest language of them all, must always have the first
newsgroup after its name.

BLC ftw ... even trippyer knots in the brains!

<https://tromp.github.io/cl/diagrams.html> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi8_XqluS5xc7GL-bgVrxpA2Uww6nK0gV>

...ok... apart from using this for complexity and IT-LSD, the real
break through application for the masses still needs to be found.
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I do not bite, I just want to play.
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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

LISP, the greatest language of them all, must always have the first
newsgroup after its name.

BLC ftw ... even trippyer knots in the brains!

<https://tromp.github.io/cl/diagrams.html> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi8_XqluS5xc7GL-bgVrxpA2Uww6nK0gV>

...ok... apart from using this for complexity and IT-LSD, the real
break through application for the masses still needs to be found.

Whoa---gotta translate all of that to English. :) What is BLC?

Thanks for the lambda calculus references. Great stuff.
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Patricia Ferreira <pferreira@example.com> writes:

What is BLC?

John Tromp
The Binary Lambda Calculus, The Smallest Program Language <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejhfJScuViY>

John Tromp
Functional Bits: Lambda Calculus based Algorithmic Information Theory <https://tromp.github.io/cl/LC.pdf>

Thanks for the lambda calculus references. Great stuff.

Really goooood stuff!

Knots in da brainz for a looong time... \o/

But I didn't have the patience for the paper, the video already made me
spin recursively.
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