• Nuclear power in the US

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to All on Thu Aug 4 10:55:01 2022
    Hello All,

    TMI was a minor accident that was overhyped by an uninformed press. Here's an excellent video about what actually happened:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9PsCLJpAA

    While TMI was an accident, it pales in comparison to other nuclear accidents that have happened, such as America's first nuclear accident at the SL-1 reactor in 1961:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8cYheR5xo

    (The guy who does these videos does a great job and really does his homework.)

    -- Sean

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Sean Dennis on Thu Aug 4 14:41:00 2022
    Sean Dennis wrote to All <=-

    TMI was a minor accident that was overhyped by an uninformed
    press. Here's an excellent video about what actually happened:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9PsCLJpAA

    While TMI was an accident, it pales in comparison to other
    nuclear accidents that have happened, such as America's first
    nuclear accident at the SL-1 reactor in 1961:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8cYheR5xo

    (The guy who does these videos does a great job and really does
    his homework.)

    No significant events in over 40 years though, as we learned from those mistakes. Also don't forget the hundreds of Naval vessel reactors who
    haven't had an accident in 60+ years.

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as fast as we
    could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity there is.



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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Gamgee on Thu Aug 4 16:19:13 2022
    Hello Gamgee,

    Thursday August 04 2022 14:41, you wrote to me:

    No significant events in over 40 years though, as we learned from
    those mistakes. Also don't forget the hundreds of Naval vessel
    reactors who haven't had an accident in 60+ years.

    Yes, all of that.

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as fast as we
    could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity there is.

    Along with a few new refineries.

    -- Sean

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  • From August Abolins@618:510/1.1 to Gamgee on Sun Aug 7 08:13:00 2022
    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Thursday 04.08.22 - 14:41, Gamgee wrote to Sean Dennis:

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as
    fast as we could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity
    there is.

    I wonder if you would still say that if you lived in Ukraine
    right now. With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Sun Aug 7 09:21:00 2022
    August Abolins wrote to Gamgee <=-

    ** On Thursday 04.08.22 - 14:41, Gamgee wrote to Sean Dennis:

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as
    fast as we could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity
    there is.

    I wonder if you would still say that if you lived in Ukraine
    right now.

    Hard to say, as I don't live in Ukraine right now.

    With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

    Sure, that's true. But since I live in the USA, I don't worry about
    something like that. In my original statement above, the "we" obviously
    refers to "people in the USA".


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  • From Nick Andre@618:500/24 to August Abolins on Sun Aug 7 12:45:46 2022
    On 07 Aug 22 08:13:00, August Abolins said the following to Gamgee:

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as
    fast as we could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity
    there is.

    I wonder if you would still say that if you lived in Ukraine
    right now. With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

    But we don't live in the Ukraine...

    Nick

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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Nick Andre on Sun Aug 7 18:13:16 2022
    But we don't live in the Ukraine...


    Exactly. The only reason why our power costs are not even higher is because of the existing nuclear power being produced. Eventually when natural gas prices normalize, eletricity will get cheaper and people will forget about it once again.

    We should have already had more nuclear power generation and we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

    - Mark

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Gamgee on Mon Aug 8 12:29:11 2022
    Hello Gamgee,

    Sunday August 07 2022 09:21, you wrote to August Abolins:

    With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

    Sure, that's true. But since I live in the USA, I don't worry about something like that. In my original statement above, the "we"
    obviously refers to "people in the USA".

    Also, let's ignore the fact that there hasn't been a nuclear accident caused by a power plant breach. All of the nuclear accidents have been from poor design and human error.

    Years ago, I lived very close to a nuclear power plant that was on the Columbia River in Oregon (it's since been decomissioned). Never had any issues with it.

    -- Sean

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Sean Dennis on Mon Aug 8 13:46:00 2022
    Sean Dennis wrote to Gamgee <=-

    With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

    Sure, that's true. But since I live in the USA, I don't worry about something like that. In my original statement above, the "we"
    obviously refers to "people in the USA".

    Also, let's ignore the fact that there hasn't been a nuclear
    accident caused by a power plant breach. All of the nuclear
    accidents have been from poor design and human error.

    Indeed that is true.

    Years ago, I lived very close to a nuclear power plant that was
    on the Columbia River in Oregon (it's since been decomissioned).
    Never had any issues with it.

    I have not lived near one, but wouldn't *NOT* live somewhere because of
    one being near.

    I sure wish we'd get started with building more. I know there are a
    couple being added to an existing site in Georgia (Vogtle), but are not
    online yet.



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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Sean Dennis on Tue Aug 9 20:28:51 2022
    Years ago, I lived very close to a nuclear power plant that was on the Columbia River in Oregon (it's since been decomissioned). Never had any issues with it.

    Same here, and still live relatively close to a nuclear generation plant. Peach Bottom in PA is not that far from me at all. No issues at all.

    - Mark

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Tue Aug 9 19:59:15 2022
    Re: Nuclear power in the US
    By: August Abolins to Gamgee on Sun Aug 07 2022 08:13 am

    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Thursday 04.08.22 - 14:41, Gamgee wrote to Sean Dennis:

    I sure wish we were building new nuclear power plants as
    fast as we could. Safest/cleanest source of electricity
    there is.

    I wonder if you would still say that if you lived in Ukraine
    right now. With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can
    turn to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of devastation.

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    If I was invading a country, I would rather take their power centrals rather than send them a missile and have them explode XD

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Mark Hofmann on Tue Aug 9 20:05:52 2022
    Re: Re: Nuclear power in the US
    By: Mark Hofmann to Nick Andre on Sun Aug 07 2022 06:13 pm

    Exactly. The only reason why our power costs are not even higher is because

    I don't think the price of fossile energy is going to normalize in the long run. Peak coal was hit in 2015 and peak oil in 2019.

    We are in for a contracting industrial production worldwide, which of course will be acompanied by a contracting economy. There will be price cycles with fuel prices, of course: firms will close down due to the contracting economy, and with less demand, fuel prices will take dips down. Those moments will serve as breaks to catch breath, but in the mid to long term the world economy will be trapped in a death spiral until we either replace peaked fuels or adjust
    our habits of consumption.


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  • From Mark Hofmann@618:100/12 to Arelor on Wed Aug 10 20:49:22 2022
    down. Those moments will serve as breaks to catch breath, but in the mid
    to long term the world economy will be trapped in a death spiral until we either replace peaked fuels or adjust our habits of consumption.

    The key for all countries is to be energy independent. We were in that zone just 2-3 years ago. That is no longer the case and it just amplifies the higher than normal prices for energy we see these days.

    - Mark

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to All on Sun Oct 16 14:59:00 2022
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    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Sunday 07.08.22 - 09:21, Gamgee wrote to August Abolins:

    With bad player neighbors, the "safest/cleanest" can turn
    to the complete opposite in minutes. And.. the
    repurcussions of damage can have a wide area of
    devastation.

    Sure, that's true. But since I live in the USA, I don't
    worry about something like that. In my original statement
    above, the "we" obviously refers to "people in the USA".

    Coastal plants can be tempting targets from submarines equipped
    to launch missiles from international waters. And the range of
    such missiles are improving, so interior plants may not be
    entirely immune from worries.

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