• pfSense

    From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to All on Wed Jan 24 10:02:44 2024
    Hi everyone,

    I've now two PCIe Intel PRO/1000 NICs that I'm wanting to stuff into an old HP EliteDesk 705 I have sitting around for a pfSense box. I'm wanting to set up a VPN to work on the BBS remotely via VNC (the only reliable remote control method).

    Unfortunately, the special deal I had for cheap Internet access for low-income people has expired so if I'm gonna drop the cash, might as well spend $20 more to bump up to 1GB/1GB fiber.

    I know it's overkill for a BBS but it's nice to have that speed when working with large files.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Wed Jan 24 09:21:35 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to All on Wed Jan 24 2024 10:02 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Hi everyone,

    I've now two PCIe Intel PRO/1000 NICs that I'm wanting to stuff into an old HP EliteDesk 705 I have sitting around for a pfSense box. I'm wanting to set up a VPN to work on the BBS remotely via VNC (the only reliable remote control method).

    Unfortunately, the special deal I had for cheap Internet access for low-income people has expired so if I'm gonna drop the cash, might as well spend $20 more to bump up to 1GB/1GB fiber.

    I know it's overkill for a BBS but it's nice to have that speed when working with large files.


    i thought you are at home and your systems are at home.
    and it's only 20 bucks to go 1gps?!
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 24 12:33:52 2024
    i thought you are at home and your systems are at home.

    I've been hospitalized for three weeks now due to a nasty MRSA infection in my right foot. I underwent surgery to have it removed and am on a "no-weight-bearing" status meaning I cannot walk and instead use a wheelchair to get around. I'm in my local VA's long-term care facility right now. My next podiatry appointment is Feburary 5th and that's when I'll know if I'm going home or not right away.

    and it's only 20 bucks to go 1gps?!

    No, $20 more from $50 which is the normal price for my current connection. I was paying $25 via the ACP but the ACP is coming to an end.

    Funny, the admins must have seen me connecting to the BBS via their WiFi and just blocked me from connecting so now I'm on my phone's hotspot. I could spoof my MAC address to mess around but I'll be good and use my hotspot. LOL

    -- Sean

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Sean Dennis on Wed Jan 24 17:57:00 2024
    Hello Sean!

    No, $20 more from $50 which is the normal price for my
    current connection. I was paying $25 via the ACP but the
    ACP is coming to an end.

    So.. you're going from $25 to $70?


    Funny, the admins must have seen me connecting to the BBS
    via their WiFi and just blocked me from connecting so now
    I'm on my phone's hotspot. I could spoof my MAC address
    to mess around but I'll be good and use my hotspot. LOL

    And.. why can't you use their wifi? Isn't it intended for the
    residents?

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to August Abolins on Wed Jan 24 18:31:46 2024
    So.. you're going from $25 to $70?

    Correct.

    And.. why can't you use their wifi? Isn't it intended for the
    residents?

    I was using a non-standard port and their automated software caught that, blocked the port, then kicked me off of their network. Several hours later, I'm back on the WiFi but connected to my BBS via my website which uses HTTPS and a proxy server to connect so to their system, I am visiting just another website.

    A federal installation's WiFi tends to be more restrictive than others.

    If I decide to get my foot reconstruction surgery, I'll probably pick up a 5G hotspot and not worry about it anymore.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Wed Jan 24 18:33:48 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 24 2024 12:33 pm


    No, $20 more from $50 which is the normal price for my current

    connection.
    I was paying $25 via the ACP but the ACP is coming to an end.

    Are you sure acp is going to an end? Some people i know get it.
    I thought they were just threatening to end it because the govt was being slow about it. You're lucky it's so cheap there. internet only is 100+ bucks with spectrum here.

    Looks like on the site they say it's expected to run out
    april 2024 unless congress funds it.

    Funny, the admins must have seen me connecting to the BBS via their WiFi and just blocked me from connecting so now I'm on my phone's hotspot. I could spoof my MAC address to mess around but I'll be good and use my hotspot.
    LOL

    Well that's understandable that they would block such types of traffic.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Sean Dennis on Thu Jan 25 04:50:05 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Wed Jan 24 2024 12:33 pm

    Funny, the admins must have seen me connecting to the BBS via their WiFi and

    -- Sean

    I would try some sort of tunneling for accessing the BBS. I set a home VPN precisely because of these scenarios.

    WHen I take the bus to work and back, I use the free Wifi provided by the bus. They block a lot of traffic and have DNS hijacking. I bypass it using my VPN.

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Thu Jan 25 08:40:00 2024
    Hello Arelor!

    I would try some sort of tunneling for accessing the BBS. I
    set a home VPN precisely because of these scenarios.

    I have been using Tailscale as my personal VPN tool for quite a
    while now. Very reliable.


    WHen I take the bus to work and back, I use the free Wifi
    provided by the bus. They block a lot of traffic and have
    DNS hijacking. I bypass it using my VPN.

    Do they do DNS highjacking to push ads?

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Thu Jan 25 17:36:28 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Are you sure acp is going to an end? Some people i know get it.

    I received a notice from my ISP to plan on my bill getting more expensive. Should hit around May when I have to start playing for Medicare.

    -- Sean
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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Arelor on Thu Jan 25 17:40:05 2024
    Arelor wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I would try some sort of tunneling for accessing the BBS. I set a home
    VPN precisely because of these scenarios.

    Hence my desire to set up a pfSense box.

    -- Sean
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  • From Havok@618:250/21 to Sean Dennis on Thu Jan 25 19:07:49 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to All on Wed Jan 24 2024 10:02 am

    I've now two PCIe Intel PRO/1000 NICs that I'm wanting to stuff into an old HP EliteDesk 705 I have sitting around for a pfSense box.

    Something to think about.

    Why pay the price in WATT's I did the same for a long while big box & pfsense
    at long last I got on ebay about 3 years ago and bought a small foot print
    check point firewall I think it draws 40w I was so pleased with it I bought a spare just for a backup.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Thu Jan 25 18:09:11 2024
    To: Digimaus
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Jas Hud on Thu Jan 25 2024 05:36 pm

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Are you sure acp is going to an end? Some people i know get it.

    I received a notice from my ISP to plan on my bill getting more expensive. Should hit around May when I have to start playing for Medicare.


    yeah i know they are sending out notice emails. dont have money to fund it! need to send that money to ukraine, ya know.

    anyways, why the fuck is this stuff so expensive anyways?
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Havok on Thu Jan 25 21:22:18 2024
    Why pay the price in WATT's I did the same for a long while big box & pfsense
    at long last I got on ebay about 3 years ago and bought a small foot print
    check point firewall I think it draws 40w I was so pleased with it I bought a spare just for a backup.

    I'm using when I have. Besides, I have some of the cheapest electric in the US as 6 cents kw/h. The HP draws less than 20 watts at idle. My electric bill is usually under $70 a month anyway.

    -- Sean


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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Thu Jan 25 21:24:30 2024
    anyways, why the **** is this stuff so expensive anyways?

    Because they can.

    Much like it costs $3 to make a vial of insulin yet it sells for $130 a piece.

    -- Sean


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  • From Warpslide@618:500/23 to Sean Dennis on Fri Jan 26 03:32:30 2024
    On Thursday January 25 2024, Sean Dennis said the following...

    I'm using when I have. Besides, I have some of the cheapest electric
    in the ∞US as 6 cents kw/h. The HP draws less than 20 watts at idle.
    My electric ∞bill is usually under $70 a month anyway.

    That is a good price for electricity! Here we have time-of-use rates & pay 18.2 cents per kw/h during "on peak" hours (currently 7-11am & 5-7pm), 12.2 centers per kw/h during "mid peak" (11am-5pm) and the cheapest is 8.7 cents per kw/h during "off peak" (7pm-7am & weekends).

    I had an HP server going in the basement for awhile but this little NUC I have now is a lot easier on the power bill.


    Jay

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  • From August Abolins@618:500/23.10 to Warpslide on Fri Jan 26 09:17:00 2024
    Hello Warpslide!

    in the US as 6 cents kw/h. The HP draws less than 20 watts at idle.

    That is a good price for electricity! Here we have time-
    of-use rates & pay 18.2 cents per kw/h during "on peak"
    hours (currently 7-11am & 5-7pm), 12.2 centers per kw/h
    during "mid peak" (11am-5pm) and the cheapest is 8.7 cents
    per kw/h during "off peak" (7pm-7am & weekends).

    Don't forget to factor in the "rebate". My recent one was $89
    off the base kwh usage $316 + $127 devivery fee + regulatory
    charges of $17 + taxes $60.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Havok on Fri Jan 26 06:23:00 2024
    Havok wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Why pay the price in WATT's I did the same for a long while big box & pfsense
    at long last I got on ebay about 3 years ago and bought a small foot print
    check point firewall I think it draws 40w I was so pleased with it I bought a spare just for a backup.

    My local thrift shop occasionally has Cisco ASA, Fortinet firewalls and Sonicwall firewalls. I've been tempted to get a serious firewall, but
    OpenWRT on a Netgear appliance router seems to do the trick.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Fri Jan 26 08:06:15 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Havok on Thu Jan 25 2024 09:22 pm

    the US as 6 cents kw/h. The HP draws less than 20 watts at idle. My electric bill is usually under $70 a month anyway.


    my gas and electric for this ole house is like 320 this month
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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Warpslide on Fri Jan 26 10:11:01 2024
    Warpslide wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    On Thursday January 25 2024, Sean Dennis said the following...

    That is a good price for electricity! Here we have time-of-use rates & pay 18.2 cents per kw/h during "on peak" hours (currently 7-11am &
    5-7pm), 12.2 centers per kw/h during "mid peak" (11am-5pm) and the cheapest is 8.7 cents per kw/h during "off peak" (7pm-7am & weekends).

    I'm within the boundries of the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) which has
    the cheapest electricity thanks to hydroelectric.

    I had an HP server going in the basement for awhile but this little NUC
    I have now is a lot easier on the power bill.

    I have that Dell PowerEdge R710 server but I'm afraid it'd double my
    electric bill!

    -- Sean
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 10:40:22 2024
    my gas and electric for this ole house is like 320 this month

    I have a little one-bedroom apartment that's all electric. I'd really prefer have natural gas as it's more effecient but beggars can't be choosers.

    -- Sean


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Fri Jan 26 10:50:22 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 2024 10:40 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    my gas and electric for this ole house is like 320 this month

    I have a little one-bedroom apartment that's all electric. I'd really prefer have natural gas as it's more effecient but beggars can't be choosers.

    -- Sean


    when i lived in a trailer it was pretty nice. my bill was like 100 bucks.
    i also had a full size furnace so things got warm as fuck in there quick.
    but it was a bit small for me. trailer life was not for me. also landlord was an asshole and neighbors were weird.
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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 15:31:52 2024
    when i lived in a trailer it was pretty nice. my bill was like 100 bucks. i also had a full size furnace so things got warm as **** in there quick. but it was a bit small for me. trailer life was not for me. also landlord was an ******* and neighbors were weird.

    Someday I'd like to get some land and get a pre-fab house put on it. I don't need much room but I do need certain things to make it easier for me with my physical issues.

    Mobile homes are outrageous down here for what they are right now.

    -- Sean


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  • From Havok@618:250/21 to Sean Dennis on Fri Jan 26 18:09:24 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Havok on Thu Jan 25 2024 09:22 pm

    I'm using when I have. Besides, I have some of the cheapest electric in the US as 6 cents kw/h. The HP draws less than 20 watts at idle. My electric bill is usually under $70 a month anyway.

    Laughing God I hate when people brag 6 cents kw/h

    And down here in Florida I thought I was lucky with 112.00 last month.

    Good luck on your project!


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  • From Havok@618:250/21 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Jan 26 18:14:45 2024
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Havok on Fri Jan 26 2024 06:23 am

    My local thrift shop occasionally has Cisco ASA, Fortinet firewalls and Sonicwall firewalls. I've been tempted to get a serious firewall, but OpenWRT on a Netgear appliance router seems to do the trick.

    Hello

    When I bought the checkpoint it had their own OS on it but of course
    everything had expired. So I installed pfsense lets see 5 or more
    releases ago. They been good to me so far both pfsense & checkpoint.






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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Sean Dennis on Fri Jan 26 16:55:28 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 2024 03:31 pm


    Someday I'd like to get some land and get a pre-fab house put on it. I

    you'd have to have a big chunk of money to do that.


    Mobile homes are outrageous down here for what they are right now.

    i heard they are up in price everywhere. the quality is not great so i wouldn't recommend it. also your pipes will freeze if it gets cold enough. probably not an issue for your area.
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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Havok on Sat Jan 27 10:04:05 2024
    Havok wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Laughing God I hate when people brag 6 cents kw/h

    It's because I get power from the Tennessee Valley Authority. The price fluctuates a lot. Right now it's about 13 cents/kwh becausw it's winter.

    December, January, and Feburary are my most expensive months due to heating costs. Spring and summer are usually much cheaper since I mainly use fans
    to cool off with.

    And down here in Florida I thought I was lucky with 112.00 last month.

    That's really not bad, honestly.

    Good luck on your project!

    Thanks! As soon as I get home, I'll start working on it. I'm going to get things ready for when I have foot reconstruction surgery and stay here for a few months, I won't have issues like I did this time though admittedly it
    was an unexpected hospitalization,

    -- Sean

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 28 06:41:17 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Thu Jan 25 2024 08:40 am

    Do they do DNS highjacking to push ads?

    No. I think they do it in order to limit their liability. ie. their DNS is an external subcontracted service with filters. They have a blacklist against the sort of sites you don't want to send traffic to, by the looks of it (casinos, porn, that sort of stuff). I suppose the idea is that if somebody gets infected with malware on that bus, or if a 14 years old tries to watch porn or whatever, at least they get to claim they had filters they believed to be reasonably secure.

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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Sean Dennis on Sun Jan 28 06:45:28 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 2024 10:40 am

    I have a little one-bedroom apartment that's all electric. I'd really prefe

    What are the economics of using blottled gas over there? If you only need heating in deep winter, then maybe it is better to use bottled gas for three months tops than to pay for a natural gas subscription for the whole year.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 07:16:34 2024
    To: Arelor
    Re: pfSense
    By: Arelor to Sean Dennis on Sun Jan 28 2024 06:45 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Re: pfSense
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Fri Jan 26 2024 10:40 am

    I have a little one-bedroom apartment that's all electric. I'd really prefe

    What are the economics of using blottled gas over there? If you only need heating in deep winter, then maybe it is better to use bottled gas for three months tops than to pay for a natural gas subscription for the whole year.

    --

    are you talking about propane? i believe propane is cheaper and you can run stoves and other stuff on it.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 10:23:00 2024
    Digimaus wrote to Havok <=-

    Havok wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Laughing God I hate when people brag 6 cents kw/h

    It's because I get power from the Tennessee Valley Authority. The
    price fluctuates a lot. Right now it's about 13 cents/kwh becausw it's winter.

    $489 in California, on an EV time-of-day plan. 3 bedroom house, 2 gas
    heaters and 2 electric space heaters.

    We did a remodel in our bedroom last year and ditched a huge gas heater.
    Most of the time that we're in there, we're in bed under covers, so
    don't need heat in that room very often.

    Our rates just went up 20%. Our utility company has a pretty good thing
    going.

    0. Have a virtual monopoly on residential power.
    1. Offer rebates to EV buyers to increase electric demand.
    2. Make rooftop solar harder to install and throw roadblocks to selling
    power back to the utility.
    3. Profit.
    4. Funnel profits into stock buybacks, increasing shareholder value.
    5. Be found liable for infrastructure safety issues that cause massive
    fire damage, leveling entire towns.
    6. Lobby the PUC to raise rates to pay for fire damages, infrastructure improvements and pathetic TV commercials portraying a for-profit utility
    as your neighborhood friends.
    7. Receive rate increases.
    8. Repeat.

    Everyone knows it should be privatized but whoever attempts it will have
    so much campaign money funneled to their opponents that they'd never
    make it through the next election.








    December, January, and Feburary are my most expensive months due to heating costs. Spring and summer are usually much cheaper since I
    mainly use fans to cool off with.

    And down here in Florida I thought I was lucky with 112.00 last month.

    That's really not bad, honestly.

    Good luck on your project!

    Thanks! As soon as I get home, I'll start working on it. I'm going to get things ready for when I have foot reconstruction surgery and stay
    here for a few months, I won't have issues like I did this time though admittedly it was an unexpected hospitalization,

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Jan 28 14:09:42 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Digimaus on Sun Jan 28 2024 10:23 am

    $489 in California, on an EV time-of-day plan. 3 bedroom house, 2 gas heaters and 2 electric space heaters.


    i'm in a 4 bedroom house. we have a boiler with radiators in every room.

    Everyone knows it should be privatized but whoever attempts it will have
    so much campaign money funneled to their opponents that they'd never
    make it through the next election.


    no matter how it runs, it will always go up. we (everyone) stopped using so much energy so they raised rates. we use more and they raise rates. the board always approves it.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Jas Hud on Mon Jan 29 07:05:00 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    i'm in a 4 bedroom house. we have a boiler with radiators in every
    room.

    My first apartment in San Francisco in 1991 was a large studio in a
    1930s building with central steam heat. I loved it, and my PG&E bill
    was around $20.

    That apartment was $600, and it was around 40% of my take-home pay at
    the time. I saw it on the market recently, it's $2800/month now.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Jan 29 13:31:35 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Mon Jan 29 2024 07:05 am


    My first apartment in San Francisco in 1991 was a large studio in a
    1930s building with central steam heat. I loved it, and my PG&E bill
    was around $20.

    That apartment was $600, and it was around 40% of my take-home pay at
    the time. I saw it on the market recently, it's $2800/month now.



    it's really hard to afford housing in some areas, probably due to companies buying properties and the chinese doing so. I'm lucky that my rent isnt that high and my landlord is so busy he hasn't raised it in 3 years. that's super rare. i'm sure now that i mentioned it, my rent will go up.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Jas Hud on Tue Jan 30 06:25:00 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    it's really hard to afford housing in some areas, probably due to companies buying properties and the chinese doing so. I'm lucky that
    my rent isnt that high and my landlord is so busy he hasn't raised it
    in 3 years. that's super rare. i'm sure now that i mentioned it, my
    rent will go up.

    I had a great landlord before I bought - they were a married couple
    with a kid, they'd lived in the house they rented us, and they kept the
    rent without increasing it because they wanted us to stay. They wanted
    a family who appreciated the house in there.




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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Fri Feb 2 17:02:27 2024
    Re: pfSense
    By: Jas Hud to Arelor on Sun Jan 28 2024 07:16 am


    are you talking about propane? i believe propane is cheaper and you can run

    Here in Spain we use propane or butane as bottled gas.

    The big orange bottle you can use for running the stove and the heating is what I was thinkign about.

    My logic is if you only use gas for part of the year, it makes more sense to use bottled gas than to pay for a pipe subscription.

    I think bottled gas in Spain is used precisely for situations such as those -ie. you have a summer residence you use only half the year, so instead of paying for a full set of utilities, you use bottled gas.

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  • From Digimaus@618:618/1 to Arelor on Sat Feb 3 12:45:18 2024
    Arelor wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    I think bottled gas in Spain is used precisely for situations such as those -ie. you have a summer residence you use only half the year, so instead of paying for a full set of utilities, you use bottled gas.

    Out here, a lot of rural homes have a 300-gallon propane tank out back that
    is used for the stove and heating. That's the most common usage I've seen
    in my time here.

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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Digimaus on Sat Feb 3 17:05:16 2024
    To: Digimaus
    Re: pfSense
    By: Digimaus to Arelor on Sat Feb 03 2024 12:45 pm


    Out here, a lot of rural homes have a 300-gallon propane tank out back that is used for the stove and heating. That's the most common usage I've seen in my time here.


    so you can't have any type of propane?
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  • From Tiny@618:618/1 to Digimaus on Sun Feb 4 07:52:05 2024
    Digimaus wrote to Arelor <=-

    Out here, a lot of rural homes have a 300-gallon propane tank out back that is used for the stove and heating. That's the most common usage
    I've seen in my time here.

    We have a 100 gallon propane tank in the woods. I got it for the old place that had gas heat and hot water. Our exisiting unit has an electric hot
    water tank and the furnace is broken so we use electric heaters. The tank
    is only for the stove. It's lasted 5 years now, at least 5 more to go. :)

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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Digimaus on Sun Feb 4 09:58:00 2024
    Digimaus wrote to Arelor <=-

    Out here, a lot of rural homes have a 300-gallon propane tank out back that is used for the stove and heating. That's the most common usage
    I've seen in my time here.

    Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
    electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
    there year-round, so we went all electric.

    Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
    where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded or if the snow was
    too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter.



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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Feb 4 12:47:36 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Digimaus on Sun Feb 04 2024 09:58 am

    Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
    electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
    there year-round, so we went all electric.

    Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
    where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded

    cold weather isn't really a problem for propane, atleast not the cold
    weather we experience. you had bad tanks from your provider.

    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.

    or if the snow was
    too great for the connectors and pipes. Most likely, the latter.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Jas Hud on Tue Feb 6 06:22:00 2024
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.


    I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
    tank.


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 6 13:16:42 2024
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Tue Feb 06 2024 06:22 am

    From Newsgroup: micronet.comp

    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.


    I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
    tank.


    what would that do? do you think the snow would crush the tanks?
    it hasnt crushed anything outside where i live and we've had lots of snow some years.
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to JAS HUD on Wed Feb 7 10:29:00 2024
    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.

    I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
    tank.

    what would that do? do you think the snow would crush the tanks?
    it hasnt crushed anything outside where i live and we've had lots of snow some
    ears.

    Based on his earlier posts, I wondered if maybe some of the pipe leading
    from the tanks to the houses/cabins was not burried deep enough, or maybe
    the installers did something else that didn't take the cold and snow into account.

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
    company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they
    may not have installed it right.

    Mike


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  • From Jas Hud@618:250/1 to Mike Powell on Wed Feb 7 13:02:08 2024
    To: Mike Powell
    Re: Re: pfSense
    By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Wed Feb 07 2024 10:29 am

    from the tanks to the houses/cabins was not burried deep enough, or maybe the installers did something else that didn't take the cold and snow into account.

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if the
    company that handled the install was not from the snowy mountain area they may not have installed it right.


    he said tanks exploded or imploded.

    Up in the Sierra Nevada mountains, we had our choice of going all
    electric or setting up one of those big propane tanks. We don't live
    there year-round, so we went all electric.

    Propane and snow are a bad combination. We had a couple of big winters
    where tanks exploded. I don't know if they imploded

    he probably had defective tanks.
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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Mike Powell on Wed Feb 7 14:40:00 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    ps my tanks have been sitting outside in -20 windchill this year.

    I think it was more a function of the 15 feet of snow surrounding the
    tank.

    what would that do? do you think the snow would crush the tanks?
    it hasnt crushed anything outside where i live and we've had lots of snow
    some

    Based on his earlier posts, I wondered if maybe some of the pipe
    leading from the tanks to the houses/cabins was not burried deep
    enough, or maybe the installers did something else that didn't
    take the cold and snow into account.

    They are probably used to it in Wisconsin but, in California, if
    the company that handled the install was not from the snowy
    mountain area they may not have installed it right.

    Real-world cold would not affect propane tanks at all. Propane is
    stored in the tank as a liquid, which freezes at -306 degrees F. Yes,
    you read that right. It *boils* (turns to vapor) at -44 degrees F. So,
    at VERY cold temps (-30 to -40 F), there won't be much pressure coming
    out of the tank, and a gas grill may not work well. At no point would
    there be *ANY* danger of a tank exploding from cold.


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