• Re: Spicy Tomato Soup

    From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to digimaus on Sat Feb 25 18:16:32 2023
    To: digimaus
    Re: Re: Spicy Tomato Soup
    By: digimaus to Jas Hud on Sat Feb 25 2023 04:23 pm

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    Jas Hud wrote to digimaus <=-

    that's real hopeful you think you will live that long :D

    It's better than worrying every day.


    i'm kinda worried about how long i will live. i want to see my god daughter grow up. i have almost NO frame of reference. the few men in my family i know of died of cancer.

    i know nothing about my father's side of the family except the obits. looks like my father's brother died of cancer at 66 and another one died at 62 of something. and women live into their 70s. for some reason i can't find my grandfather's obit anywhere. or any information on him. it used to be there but it has been wiped from the internet.

    looks like the loken men have a thing for cancer. i found a bunch more.
    we have one guy who lived to be 89, looks like he was active his entire life.

    I need to drop weight and get my bp under control. i already dropped 6lbs last week by going on my high protein diet and having slimfast shakes for breakfast.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 26 11:43:00 2023
    Hello Jas Hud!

    I need to drop weight and get my bp under control. i already dropped 6lbs last week by going on my high protein diet and having slimfast shakes for breakfast.

    6lbs is not much. The initial drops are due to water loss
    though. I gained a bit from a reasonable 180lbs to 190lbs over
    the winter. I simply ate too much (2nd portionss, etc) of the
    good things.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 26 13:11:35 2023
    To: August Abolins
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: August Abolins to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 26 2023 11:43 am

    From Newsgroup: Micronet.MIN_CHAT

    Hello Jas Hud!

    I need to drop weight and get my bp under control. i already dropped 6lbs last week by going on my high protein diet and having slimfast shakes for breakfast.

    6lbs is not much. The initial drops are due to water loss

    i didnt say it was much. but it's less than a week.

    I have no problem losing weight. it's not a battle for me.
    it just depends on what i eat.

    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise. anybody that can't lose weight is a liar or too far gone. and even those people can drop weight.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 27 09:49:56 2023
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Jas Hud to August Abolins on Sun Feb 26 2023 01:11 pm

    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise. anybody that can'

    People "too far gone" would probably have a better time losing weight because sustaining 300 Kg. of body mass takes a lot of calories. A decrease in food counsumption ought to be noticeable soon.


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  • From Rick Smith@618:300/1 to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 08:07:32 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    Monday February 27 2023 09:49, you wrote to Jas Hud:

    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Jas Hud to August Abolins on Sun Feb 26 2023 01:11 pm

    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise. anybody
    that can'

    People "too far gone" would probably have a better time losing weight because sustaining 300 Kg. of body mass takes a lot of calories. A decrease in food counsumption ought to be noticeable soon.

    One would think, however someone that large suddenly decreasing caloric intake would put themselves into starvation mode, once water was dropped muscle tissue would go next before any fat loss occurred


    Regards,

    Rick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 11:14:33 2023
    To: Arelor
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Arelor to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 27 2023 09:49 am

    From Newsgroup: Micronet.MIN_CHAT

    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Jas Hud to August Abolins on Sun Feb 26 2023 01:11 pm

    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise. anybody that can'

    People "too far gone" would probably have a better time losing weight because sustaining 300 Kg. of body mass takes a lot of calories. A decrease in food counsumption ought to be noticeable soon.


    yeah i watch my 600lb life.
    there are some people in the sweet spot where they can walk but can't exercise and have medical issues. i dont think there's as many of those as they claim, though.

    most fatties are big foodies. my family was full of them. cant lose weight! it's genetics. then you look at the freezer and see the frozen snicker bars
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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to Rick Smith on Mon Feb 27 11:15:41 2023
    To: Rick Smith
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Rick Smith to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 2023 08:07 am

    decrease in food counsumption ought to be noticeable soon.

    One would think, however someone that large suddenly decreasing caloric intake would put themselves into starvation mode, once water was dropped muscle tissue would go next before any fat loss occurred

    so god made our bodies wrong and our fat stores are not reserves?
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 14:10:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 27.02.23 - 09:49, Arelor wrote to Jas Hud:

    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise. anybody that
    can'

    People "too far gone" would probably have a better time
    losing weight because sustaining 300 Kg. of body mass takes
    a lot of calories. A decrease in food counsumption ought to
    be noticeable soon.

    People "too far gone" and morbidly obese don't care. They just
    eat more because they lament that they can't move without pain
    or discomfort.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Rick Smith on Mon Feb 27 14:12:00 2023
    Hello Rick Smith!

    ** On Monday 27.02.23 - 08:07, Rick Smith wrote to Arelor:

    One would think, however someone that large suddenly
    decreasing caloric intake would put themselves into
    starvation mode, once water was dropped muscle tissue
    would go next before any fat loss occurred

    That is probably why exercise and above average movement is
    important along with the caloric reduction.
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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 27 14:35:00 2023
    Hello Jas Hud!

    I have no problem losing weight. it's not a battle for me.
    it just depends on what i eat.

    ..and how much! ;)

    On my journey to reach my target weight, the BMI was a good
    start. From that I determined how many calories per day max I
    should have. For my weight loss number, I determined that I
    should not exceed 1800 calories/day (that worked out to about
    100 calories per waking hour). When I stuck to that,
    everything worked out. It took a while (2 yrs) because I got
    lazy a few times and ate too much + included some processed
    foods. But I fell back on track because the results of the
    better eating plan provided other health benefits.


    best way to lose weight is to eat right and have exercise.

    Both things are part of the success.


    anybody that can't lose weight is a liar or too far gone.
    and even those people can drop weight.

    Right. The whole notion that fatness "is in the genes", seems
    bogus.
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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to August Abolins on Mon Feb 27 15:17:21 2023
    To: August Abolins
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: August Abolins to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 2023 02:10 pm

    losing weight because sustaining 300 Kg. of body mass takes
    a lot of calories. A decrease in food counsumption ought to
    be noticeable soon.

    People "too far gone" and morbidly obese don't care. They just
    eat more because they lament that they can't move without pain
    or discomfort.

    don't talk about sean like that. he just came back from bbs hiatus.
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  • From Rick Smith@618:300/1 to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 27 21:36:26 2023
    Hello Jas!

    Monday February 27 2023 11:15, you wrote to me:

    * Forwarded from area 'MIN_CHAT'
    To: Rick Smith
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Rick Smith to Arelor on Mon Feb 27 2023 08:07 am

    decrease in food counsumption ought to be noticeable soon.

    One would think, however someone that large suddenly decreasing
    caloric intake would put themselves into starvation mode, once
    water was dropped muscle tissue would go next before any fat loss
    occurred

    so god made our bodies wrong and our fat stores are not reserves?

    Fat are stores, however if you change your eating drastically your body will hold on to them in fear it wont get anymore... Dont know if we were made wrong or not? But indeed thats how our chemistry works..

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    Regards,

    Rick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to Rick Smith on Tue Feb 28 00:50:30 2023
    To: Rick Smith
    Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Rick Smith to Jas Hud on Mon Feb 27 2023 09:36 pm


    Fat are stores, however if you change your eating drastically your body will hold on to them in fear it wont get anymore... Dont know if we were made wrong or not? But indeed thats how our chemistry works..


    eventually the body will do the right thing and do it's job. which means it will use the fat stores as intended.

    So yeah, it will eat some muscle. but it wont eat it all. it will eventually use the the fat stores.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@618:300/16 to Rick Smith on Tue Feb 28 06:49:00 2023
    Rick Smith wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Fat are stores, however if you change your eating drastically your body will hold on to them in fear it wont get anymore... Dont know if we
    were made wrong or not? But indeed thats how our chemistry works..

    Some nutritionists claim that since we're always warm, relatively, that
    bodies are in a continual state of "saving up for winter" and that it's
    partly to blame for fat gain. A few have recommended either cold water immersion or alternating hot and cold water in the shower as a way of
    "waking up" your metabolism in the morning.



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  • From Rick Smith@618:300/1 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 1 07:01:16 2023
    Hello Kurt!

    Tuesday February 28 2023 06:49, you wrote to me:

    * Forwarded from area 'MIN_CHAT'
    Rick Smith wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Fat are stores, however if you change your eating drastically
    your body will hold on to them in fear it wont get anymore...
    Dont know if we were made wrong or not? But indeed thats how our
    chemistry works..

    Some nutritionists claim that since we're always warm, relatively,
    that bodies are in a continual state of "saving up for winter" and
    that it's partly to blame for fat gain. A few have recommended either
    cold water immersion or alternating hot and cold water in the shower
    as a way of "waking up" your metabolism in the morning.

    Very interesting, I had not heard of that..


    Regards,

    Rick

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  • From Jas Hud@618:200/44 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 1 13:14:14 2023
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Kurt Weiske to Rick Smith on Tue Feb 28 2023 06:49 am

    partly to blame for fat gain. A few have recommended either cold water immersion or alternating hot and cold water in the shower as a way of "waking up" your metabolism in the morning.

    that's a fad that's been around a few years.
    you dont 'wake up' your metabolism.

    jumping in cold water is bad for your heart.
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  • From Arelor@618:250/24 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 1 17:47:37 2023
    Re: Re: I need to drop weight and..
    By: Kurt Weiske to Rick Smith on Tue Feb 28 2023 06:49 am

    Rick Smith wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    Fat are stores, however if you change your eating drastically your body will hold on to them in fear it wont get anymore... Dont know if we were made wrong or not? But indeed thats how our chemistry works..

    Some nutritionists claim that since we're always warm, relatively, that bodies are in a continual state of "saving up for winter" and that it's partly to blame for fat gain. A few have recommended either cold water immersion or alternating hot and cold water in the shower as a way of "waking up" your metabolism in the morning.



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    Or, you know, wake early to defrost the chicken's water supply, clean the barn, de-ice the locks, serve breakfast to every pet and then run back home for a hot cup of choco-milk because it is fucking february outside.

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  • From Sean Dennis@618:618/1 to Arelor on Wed Mar 1 21:33:34 2023
    Hello Arelor,

    01 Mar 23 17:47, you wrote to Kurt Weiske:

    Or, you know, wake early to defrost the chicken's water supply, clean
    the barn, de-ice the locks, serve breakfast to every pet and then run
    back home for a hot cup of choco-milk because it is fucking february outside.

    That works too. <G>

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  • From Gamgee@618:250/24 to Arelor on Wed Mar 1 22:01:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Some nutritionists claim that since we're always warm, relatively, that bodies are in a continual state of "saving up for winter" and that it's partly to blame for fat gain. A few have recommended either cold water immersion or alternating hot and cold water in the shower as a way of "waking up" your metabolism in the morning.

    Or, you know, wake early to defrost the chicken's water supply,
    clean the barn, de-ice the locks, serve breakfast to every pet
    and then run back home for a hot cup of choco-milk because it is
    fucking february outside.

    High 70's / low 80's (degrees F) here this week.

    I grew up in extreme cold, and don't miss it a bit.



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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Wed Mar 1 01:15:00 2023
    anybody that can't lose weight is a liar or too far gone.
    > and even those people can drop weight.

    Right. The whole notion that fatness "is in the genes", seems
    >bogus.

    I think a lot of the weight issues are learned things or situational. I've known a lot of people where it's normal to put more food on the table than needed and people are expected (taught) to eat until they are 'full'.
    The problem with that is often the amount of food required to feel full gets higher and higher as your stomach stretches to accomodate what you eat.

    My family grew up with a given amount of food served to you with no
    expectation of second helpings, with the exception of special meals like Thanksgiving or Christmas meals.

    Another problem is the 'comfort food' issue where people eat to feel better or because they are bored.

    I also am convinced that there is a genetic component, that two people eating the same amount and living the same way, one may end up weighing quite a bit more than the other. You work around that by eating no more than you need to maintain a healthy weight though. This is a bit like the joke about the best way to ensure a long life is to choose the right grandparents. You are stuck with whatever you got at birth and all you can do is try to work around it.

    Losing weight is hard since you are going against 'something' normal for you
    to accomplish it, so I have a lot of respect for people who can make the changes necessary. I am a much bigger fan of self control than getting one's stomach stapled though.

    Exercise is important to health under any circumstances if your normal life is not filled with situations that naturally gives you lots of exercise.

    All that said, many would probably choose not to put much stock in what I say since I've never had that problem. My doctor says that I'd be in exceptional condition if I were 20 years younger than I am. I'm 68 and have no issues with blood pressure or cholesterol or diabetes. My resting BP is about 110/65 and pulse about 58. My BMI according to two sources is on the line between healthy and slightly underweight. I walk, jog or bicycle more than drive a car and virtually never drive to my mailbox which is a 1.8 mile run to and from the house. In recent weeks, in my exercise routine, I've moved up from doing 100
    to doing 110 push-ups in under 3 minutes. I get lots of exercise mowing lawns or shovelling snow and looking after the wooded lakefront lot where I live.

    I figured early on that staying as healthy as possible would make things a lot easier as I got older. Once you can finally retire, who wants to be in such lousy shape that you can't do active things and enjoy life?..

    BTW.. as for the 'genetics' idea, I am in far better health than either of my siblings, both overweight and the younger one severely diabetic, so you can take that for whatever it's worth..

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  • From August Abolins@618:250/1.9 to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 6 12:14:00 2023
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Wednesday 01.03.23 - 01:15, Rob Mccart wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

    [...] The problem with that is often the amount of food
    required to feel full gets higher and higher as your
    stomach stretches to accomodate what you eat.

    That could very well be how it works.


    My family grew up with a given amount of food served to
    you with no expectation of second helpings, with the
    exception of special meals like Thanksgiving or Christmas
    meals.

    Always seemed to have plenty growing up. 2nds and 3rds were
    accepted.


    Another problem is the 'comfort food' issue where people
    eat to feel better or because they are bored.

    Those people are probably not concerned about their health.
    There are better things to do than eat when one cites boredom.


    I also am convinced that there is a genetic component,
    that two people eating the same amount and living the same
    way, one may end up weighing quite a bit more than the
    other.

    Have not heard that. People in prisons/concentration camps
    seemed to have the same results among them.


    Losing weight is hard since you are going against
    'something' normal for you to accomplish it, so I have a
    lot of respect for people who can make the changes
    necessary. I am a much bigger fan of self control than
    getting one's stomach stapled though.

    I concur. Eating is habitual. It's easy to get into an
    unhealthy pattern.


    Exercise is important to health under any circumstances if
    your normal life is not filled with situations that
    naturally gives you lots of exercise.

    I concur. Actvity is an important element in overall health
    too. Sadly, some people reach a stage where is becomes too
    hard to lug all that extra weight around. It becomes a
    descending spiral of health.


    ..I'm 68 and have no issues with blood pressure or
    cholesterol or diabetes. [...] In recent weeks, in my
    exercise routine, I've moved up from doing 100 to doing
    110 push-ups in under 3 minutes. I get lots of exercise
    mowing lawns or shovelling snow and looking after the
    wooded lakefront lot where I live.

    That's amazing. I'm just a handful of years younger. I've tried
    sticking to a pushup routine (and increasing the numbers
    gradually) ..but some days preclude the activity and the
    routine gets out of wack.


    I figured early on that staying as healthy as possible
    would make things a lot easier as I got older. Once you
    can finally retire, who wants to be in such lousy shape
    that you can't do active things and enjoy life?..

    I concur. Perhaps some people simply don't look at that way.
    And when they reach "retirement" age, they are too weak to do
    anything worthwhile for enjoyment.


    BTW.. as for the 'genetics' idea, I am in far better
    health than either of my siblings, both overweight and the
    younger one severely diabetic, so you can take that for
    whatever it's worth..

    Then it can't be genetics. Your better health proves it.

    I have an older brother (by one year) who is quite large. But
    I've seen his high caloric intake. He can barely walk now.

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  • From Rob Mccart@618:250/1 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Wed Mar 8 01:34:00 2023
    I also am convinced that there is a genetic component,
    that two people eating the same amount and living the same
    way, one may end up weighing quite a bit more than the
    other.

    Have not heard that. People in prisons/concentration camps
    >seemed to have the same results among them.

    I try to never generalize or use extremes as examples. Starving is
    starving and prisons tend to go high carb to fatten prisoners up
    because heavy people usually cause less trouble, but there are
    exceptions where they burn off the calories lifting weights and such..

    For regular people I know there are some who eat less calories than
    the average person would trying to lose weight, yet they stay heavy.

    Exercise is important to health under any circumstances

    I concur. Actvity is an important element in overall health
    >too. Sadly, some people reach a stage where is becomes too
    >hard to lug all that extra weight around. It becomes a
    >descending spiral of health.

    Yes, that's a big part of the problem. The one time in my life when
    I put on a little more weight, like up to almost 'normal', not fat,
    it was because I was an office manager sitting behind a desk or driving
    a car all day, and then you're too tired when you get home to exersize.

    Once I saw what was happening I started doing things like taking long,
    often 15 miles+, hikes on weekends or through local parks in the evening.
    At that time I lived in a fair sized city, Brampton, Ontario CA.

    ..I'm 68 and have no issues with blood pressure or
    cholesterol or diabetes. [...] In recent weeks, in my
    exercise routine, I've moved up from doing 100 to doing
    110 push-ups in under 3 minutes.

    That's amazing. I'm just a handful of years younger. I've tried
    >sticking to a pushup routine (and increasing the numbers
    >gradually) ..but some days preclude the activity and the
    >routine gets out of wack.

    I do that every 3rd, or at most, 4th day. If you are pushing yourself
    you need time to let your muscles heal between times. I also may move
    the day by 1 or 2 if I've been knocking myself out doing hard physical
    labour, like shoveling a new 2 foot snowfall from the 60 or so feet of
    sidewalk on the property here. Even if you try you usually can't do as
    many pushups just due to muscle fatigue.

    BTW.. as for the 'genetics' idea, I am in far better
    health than either of my siblings, both overweight and the
    younger one severely diabetic, so you can take that for
    whatever it's worth..

    Then it can't be genetics. Your better health proves it.

    I have an older brother (by one year) who is quite large. But
    >I've seen his high caloric intake. He can barely walk now.

    Well, it's obvious from physical differences that I mostly take
    after my mother's father and my sister takes after my mother's
    mother so the basic genetics will be different.
    And my younger brother is, I feel, victim to his earlier lifestyle.
    He'd come up to his cottage and just drink beer all weekend, not
    having any solid food until the night before heading home, and then
    he'd pig out and eat about 3 times a healthy amount. He got somewhat
    'big' for a while, 5'8" and about 215 lbs, all things that seem to
    increase the likelihood of devloping diabetes. He's not heavy anymore
    but is in such poor health that he's unable to do much of anything
    physical to stay in shape or to get in better shape since he can
    barely walk due to diabetic nerve damage.

    Yet, in general, our family is long lived, my father lived to 90 and
    my mother's coming up on 91 and still able to live on her own in her
    own house. I help her out a lot and she has a cleaning lady once every
    two weeks to do the heavier cleaning around the house but it's nice to
    still be able to take care of yourself at that age..

    Final note on lifestyle though.. siblings of theirs who drank a lot
    and didn't take care of themselves died 20 to 30 years younger.

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