• Castle Anthrax

    From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Zoot on Thu Mar 14 04:17:52 2024
    Hey Zoot!

    An excerpt from page 37 of "Mønti Pythøn ik den Hølie Gräilen (Bøk)";

    I'm afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared with yours. We are but eightscore young blondes, all between sixteen and nineteen-and-a-half, cut off in is castle, with no-one to protect us. Ooooh. It is a lonely life ... bathing ... dressing ... undressing ... making exciting underwear ...

    Word wrapped to 72 bytes with 5 byte indentation;

    I'm afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared with yours.
    We are but eightscore young blondes, all between sixteen and
    nineteen-and-a-half, cut off in is castle, with no-one to protect us.
    Ooooh. It is a lonely life ... bathing ... dressing ... undressing ...
    making exciting underwear ...

    Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte indentation;

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
    с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от
    шестнадцати до девятнадцати с половиной лет, отрезанные от мира в своем
    замке, и никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это одинокая жизнь...
    купание... одевание... раздевание... изготовление захватывающего
    нижнего белья...

    Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
    очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
    вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
    молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати
    до девятнадцати с половиной лет,
    отрезанные от мира в своем замке, и
    никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это
    одинокая жизнь... купание... одевание...
    раздевание... изготовление
    захватывающего нижнего белья...

    utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent to those who are truly capable.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- o- -o o- -o o- o- -o -o o- o- -o -o -o o- o- /) /) (\ /) (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - You load sixteen penguins and what do you get?
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: One of us @ (1:153/7001.2989)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/6 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 15 01:13:50 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 04:17:52 GMT
    "Maurice Kinal -> Zoot" <2989@7001.153.1> wrote:

    Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte indentation;

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
    с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от

    Indent seems to be ok.

    Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
    очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
    вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
    молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати

    Looks fine.

    utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent
    to those who are truly capable.

    Maybe the UTF-8 echo would be best for these tests.

    ---
    * Origin: news://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 15 00:18:46 2024
    Hej August!

    Maybe the UTF-8 echo would be best for these tests.

    If I was looking to restrict tests to ONLY utf8 then I'd agree. I started the latest tests wrt creating little endian data for the headers (pkt and msg) using bash and only got sidetracked when discovering potential bugs regarding utf8 characters and word wrapping, especially right-to-left languages such as Hebrew.

    This particular echoarea looks to be far less restrictive in scope which I believe is a plus in it's favour as the proper place for the usage of linux apps in today's complex and diverse network known as Fidonet ... or what is left of it.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    o- -o -o o-
    /) (\ (\ /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
    ... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.213 to Maurice Kinal on Thu May 2 12:57:02 2024
    Hello Maurice,

    On 14.03.24 4:17:52, you wrote:

    An excerpt from page 37 of "Mønti Pythøn ik den Hølie Gräilen (Bøk)";

    Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte
    indentation;

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
    с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от
    шестнадцати до девятнадцати с половиной лет, отрезанные от мира в своем
    замке, и никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это одинокая жизнь...
    купание... одевание... раздевание... изготовление захватывающего
    нижнего белья...

    Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

    Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
    очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
    вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
    молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати
    до девятнадцати с половиной лет,
    отрезанные от мира в своем замке, и
    никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это
    одинокая жизнь... купание... одевание...
    раздевание... изготовление
    захватывающего нижнего белья...

    utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent to those who are truly capable.

    Don't mind me. Just testing another FTN apparatus that mentioned utf-8 support. Looks like it works so far!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- WinPoint 415.0
    * Origin: _thePharcyde | Winpoint test station (1:154/10.213)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Thu May 2 19:51:50 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    Just testing another FTN apparatus that mentioned utf-8 support.

    Winpoint? I've noticed at least one in the local net that appears to get utf-8 correctly.

    Looks like it works so far!

    Yep. I think for something like quoting we appear to have a good handle on it. Myself I am using coreutils' fold app for the number of columns - including multibyte and good ol' sed to do the indentation. I believe these tools are supplied in a cygwin enviroment (bash too!) so it *should* perform well.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- -o o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Ælc mann þe wisdom lufaþ biþ gesælig.
    Everyone who loves wisdom is blessed.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.213 to Maurice Kinal on Thu May 2 18:24:00 2024
    Hello Maurice,

    On 02.05.24, 19:51:50, you wrote:

    Winpoint? I've noticed at least one in the local net that appears to get utf-8 correctly.

    Yeah, just trying anything I can find so see what works as it should. There aren't many. :)

    Yep. I think for something like quoting we appear to have a good handle on it. Myself I am using coreutils' fold app for the number of columns - including multibyte and good ol' sed to do the indentation. I believe these tools are supplied in a cygwin enviroment (bash too!) so it should perform well.

    When you switch to specific languages, do you also have to switch fonts? I've definitely hit the 512 glyph limit on multiple occasions, and I don't have any GUIs on my Linux Vms. So my Windows machine is the only place I can get 99.9% utf-8, all of the time, between Thunderbird via NNTP, or this Winpoint.

    ... Ælc mann þe wisdom lufaþ biþ gesælig.
    Everyone who loves wisdom is blessed.

    Hafa a soð to syge, þonne þu secge hwæt.
    Always have truth as your goal, whatever you say.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- WinPoint 415.0
    * Origin: _thePharcyde | Winpoint test station (1:154/10.213)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Fri May 3 01:05:01 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    There aren't many.

    It works for me so far but I haven't done all that much with it.

    When you switch to specific languages, do you also have to switch
    fonts?

    Sometimes but currently using latarcyrheb-sun32 which has more than enough coverage for fidonet in it's current atate of being. The only trouble I have is with proper word wrapping Arabic and Hebrew. Also with all the 24-bit character languages (Chinese et al) there are zero compatible terminal fonts, but have only seen one posting in Chinese in the last decade by someone that hacked a Apple app on his smartphone.

    If needed I'd swich to a gui where there are more choices font-wise but definetly stick with vim ... with all the gui goodness turned on of course. As things stand today we're far beyond what is truly supported by the CHRS kludge, not counting the bogus ones such as LATIN-1. :::evil grin:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- -o -o o- -o -o -o -o -o -o o- -o -o o- o- -o /) (\ (\ /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Gemæne sceal maga feoh.
    Wealth should be shared by kinsmen.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Thu May 2 21:49:14 2024
    On Fri, 3 May 2024 01:05:00 GMT, Maurice Kinal -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    It works for me so far but I haven't done all that much with it.

    What FTN apps are you actually trying to use?

    Sometimes but currently using latarcyrheb-sun32 which has more than
    enough coverage for fidonet in it's current atate of being.  The only trouble I have is with proper word wrapping Arabic and Hebrew.  Also
    with all the 24-bit character languages (Chinese et al) there are zero compatible terminal fonts, but have only seen one posting in Chinese in the last decade by someone that hacked a Apple app on his smartphone.

    My current situation is only accessing all of my Linux VMs with PuTTY. So I'm not able to change the actual consolefont. However, PuTTY's fonts support quite a bit, maybe even more than most of the consolefonts.

    If needed I'd swich to a gui where there are more choices font-wise but definetly stick with vim ... with all the gui goodness turned on of course.  As things stand today we're far beyond what is truly supported by the CHRS kludge, not counting the bogus ones such as LATIN-1.

    Whaaaaat? Maurice using a gui? That's unheard of! :)

    ... Gemæne sceal maga feoh.
        Wealth should be shared by kinsmen.

    I think I've found where you got these from, as I saw this one and the one prior when I copy and pasted one back to you. Did you just randomize all 48 from that site?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Fri May 3 03:35:03 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    So I'm not able to change the actual consolefont. However,
    PuTTY's fonts support quite a bit

    Excellent. Basically all that is really needed is to get the codes right. Displaying them properly to whatever app shouldn't be as big as a deal as it appears to be methinks.

    Whaaaaat? Maurice using a gui? That's unheard of! :)

    Not quite but you're right about it being a rare sight in these parts. I've even contemplated running windows in qemu just to check on compatibilty issues but so far haven't taken the plunge. At this stage of the game it seems entirely unlikely.

    Did you just randomize all 48 from that site?

    Only the ones that were 79 bytes or less. Also had to get rid of the hard breaking spaces web people are so fond of. Normally those are hard to spot so I just let whatever filter go ahead and delete them whether or not they actually exist. It seems to have worked. Also I've added to the tagline file but it sounds like you found the original source. Not many Ænglisc speaking people these days but I figure we might as well go full backwards compatible whenever possible. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- -o -o -o -o -o -o -o o- o- -o -o o- o- o- o- /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) /) /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Ne byð þæt fele freond, se þe oþrum facn heleð.
    He who harbours treachery against another is not a faithful friend.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nicholas Boel on Fri May 3 07:28:00 2024
    Hello Nicholas!

    Winpoint? I've noticed at least one in the local net
    that appears to get utf-8 correctly.

    Yeah, just trying anything I can find so see what works as
    it should. There aren't many. :)

    Have you tested Apoint?

    Some info here: http://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/


    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 4 08:59:56 2024
    On Fri, 3 May 2024 03:35:02 GMT, Maurice Kinal -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

     NB>> Whaaaaat? Maurice using a gui? That's unheard of! :)

    Not quite but you're right about it being a rare sight in these parts. I've even contemplated running windows in qemu just to check on compatibilty issues but so far haven't taken the plunge.  At this stage of the game it seems entirely unlikely.

    Sounds like you've been expanding your horizons lately! On that note, go ahead and install Windows, it doesn't bite. Maybe you can get a glimpse of the elusive blue screen of death once again. ;)

    Only the ones that were 79 bytes or less.  Also had to get rid of the hard breaking spaces web people are so fond of.  Normally those are hard to spot so I just let whatever filter go ahead and delete them whether
    or not they actually exist.  It seems to have worked.  Also I've added to the tagline file but it sounds like you found the original source.
    Not many Ænglisc speaking people these days but I figure we might as
    well go full backwards compatible whenever possible.  :-)

    I think I went to run one of your taglines (even though you already do it under the original) through Google Translate, and it was one of the first sites to pop up. So I got stuck there reading a bunch of them for a little bit, and sent one back to you to see if you'd notice.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to August Abolins on Sat May 4 09:19:30 2024
    On Fri, 3 May 2024 12:28:00 -0400, August Abolins -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

     NB>> Yeah, just trying anything I can find so see what works as
     NB>> it should. There aren't many. :)

    Have you tested Apoint?

    Thanks for the link. I've tested two of the three listed there.

    I didn't spend much time with OpenXP. Once I realized the UTF-8 support was limited to a one way direction, I lost interest. Great software, just not for me.

    Most of the "cons" listed for WinPoint seem to have been addressed, as I didn't see any, if not most of those listed when testing it. It's also possible the link you provided is very old and hasn't been updated in awhile. This would probably be the winner if I were at all interested in being a point.

    One of my main interests is current development. If it's abandonware, I'm not interested unless the source is available.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 14:25:07 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    Sounds like you've been expanding your horizons lately!

    Lately? This particular expansion officially got it's start back in 2012 but it was earlier than that when I actually got it working ... utf-8 FTN echomail that is. The Ænglisc taglines were just in case some anal moderator pulled an "English only" rules thingy on me. As it turned out nobody touched it and it continues to survive in it's original state.

    go ahead and install Windows, it doesn't bite.

    Nor does it byte, or at least around here it doesn't. To be quite honest I haven't seen a window's box in a couple decades now. Most everyone and their dog is using Android over the last 20 years or so with the occasional Apple device rearing it's ugly head every so often.

    through Google Translate

    In this case that doesn't work given that Old English isn't supported by any translation method that I am aware of.

    sent one back to you to see if you'd notice.

    I saw it. At first I thought you copied it from one of my messages. For the record I don't believe there are any copyright issues with them given their age. I believe the last official document written in Old English was bach in 1154.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- o- -o o- o- o- o- -o o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o /) /) (\ /) /) /) /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Wenað samwise þæt hi on ðis lænan mægen life findan soða gesælða.
    The unwise think they can find true joy in this transitory life.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 4 10:49:10 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 14:25:06 GMT, Maurice Kinal -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Sounds like you've been expanding your horizons lately!

    Lately? This particular expansion officially got it's start back in
    2012 but it was earlier than that when I actually got it working ...
    utf-8 FTN echomail that is. The Ænglisc taglines were just in case some anal moderator pulled an "English only" rules thingy on me. As it
    turned out nobody touched it and it continues to survive in it's
    original state.

    I was referring to your use of GUIs and even the possibility of installing Windows. ;)

    Nor does it byte, or at least around here it doesn't. To be quite
    honest I haven't seen a window's box in a couple decades now. Most everyone and their dog is using Android over the last 20 years or so
    with the occasional Apple device rearing it's ugly head every so often.

    My phone is Android, but that's about as far as I go with Android or Apple products.

    In this case that doesn't work given that Old English isn't supported by any translation method that I am aware of.

    I searched "translate <whatever tagline I copied>" and one of the first in the list of results was the website they're all listed on. I ended up with all the translations needed there on the site.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 18:01:48 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    I was referring to your use of GUIs and even the possibility of
    installing Windows.

    Ah! That would have to be whatever windows version running under qemu in xorg. Also it would require a cygwin enviroment.

    I searched "translate <whatever tagline I copied>"

    Just a standard search then. I thought you might have been referencing Google's trans app which is a commandline based translator using outside servers.

    <Esc>:read !trans -no-ansi -V | sed 's/^/ GT> /'
    Translate Shell 0.9.7.1

    platform Linux
    terminal type linux
    bi-di emulator [N/A]
    gawk (GNU Awk) 5.3.0
    fribidi (GNU FriBidi) 1.0.12
    audio player [NOT INSTALLED]
    terminal pager less
    web browser xdg-open
    user locale en_CA.utf8 (English)
    host language en
    source language auto
    target language en
    translation engine auto
    proxy [NONE]
    user-agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/104.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/104.0.1293.54
    ip version [DEFAULT]
    theme default
    init file [NONE]

    Report bugs to: https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell/issues

    That is what I deployed in creating the original "Castle Anthrax" FTN compliant MSG. This particular version lists 159 supported language translations;

    <Esc>:read !trans -no-ansi -list-languages-english | sed 's/^/ GT> /'
    Afrikaans
    Albanian
    Amharic
    Arabic
    Armenian
    Assamese
    Aymara
    Azerbaijani
    Bambara
    Bashkir
    Basque
    Belarusian
    Bengali
    Bhojpuri
    Bosnian
    Bulgarian
    Cantonese
    Catalan
    Cebuano
    Chichewa
    Chinese (Literary)
    Chinese (Simplified)
    Chinese (Traditional)
    Chuvash
    Corsican
    Croatian
    Czech
    Danish
    Dari
    Dhivehi
    Dogri
    Dutch
    Eastern Mari
    English
    Esperanto
    Estonian
    Ewe
    Faroese
    Fijian
    Filipino
    Finnish
    French
    French (Canadian)
    Frisian
    Galician
    Georgian
    German
    Greek
    Guarani
    Gujarati
    Haitian Creole
    Hausa
    Hawaiian
    Hebrew
    Hill Mari
    Hindi
    Hmong
    Hungarian
    Icelandic
    Igbo
    Ilocano
    Indonesian
    Inuinnaqtun
    Inuktitut
    Inuktitut (Latin)
    Irish
    Italian
    Japanese
    Javanese
    Kannada
    Kazakh
    Khmer
    Kinyarwanda
    Klingon
    Konkani
    Korean
    Krio
    Kurdish (Central)
    Kurdish (Northern)
    Kyrgyz
    Lao
    Latin
    Latvian
    Lingala
    Lithuanian
    Luganda
    Luxembourgish
    Macedonian
    Maithili
    Malagasy
    Malay
    Malayalam
    Maltese
    Maori
    Marathi
    Meiteilon
    Mizo
    Mongolian
    Mongolian (Traditional)
    Myanmar
    Nepali
    Norwegian
    Odia
    Oromo
    Papiamento
    Pashto
    Persian
    Polish
    Portuguese (Brazilian)
    Portuguese (European)
    Punjabi
    Quechua
    Querétaro Otomi
    Romanian
    Russian
    Samoan
    Sanskrit
    Scots Gaelic
    Sepedi
    Serbian (Cyrillic)
    Serbian (Latin)
    Sesotho
    Shona
    Sindhi
    Sinhala
    Slovak
    Slovenian
    Somali
    Spanish
    Sundanese
    Swahili
    Swedish
    Tahitian
    Tajik
    Tamil
    Tatar
    Telugu
    Thai
    Tibetan
    Tigrinya
    Tongan
    Tsonga
    Turkish
    Turkmen
    Twi
    Udmurt
    Ukrainian
    Upper Sorbian
    Urdu
    Uyghur
    Uzbek
    Vietnamese
    Welsh
    Xhosa
    Yakut
    Yiddish
    Yoruba
    Yucatec Maya
    Zulu

    As you can see there is no support for Old English. :::sigh:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- o- -o -o o- o- -o -o o- o- -o -o -o o- o- o- /) /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel.
    Fate ever goes as it must.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 17:41:00 2024
    Hello Nicholas Boel!

    I didn't spend much time with OpenXP. Once I realized the
    UTF-8 support was limited to a one way direction, I lost
    interest. Great software, just not for me.

    UTF-8 isn't everything though. For the most part, english,
    french, german, swedish, finnish are supported in the basic
    char set, I believe.


    Most of the "cons" listed for WinPoint seem to have been
    addressed, as I didn't see any, if not most of those
    listed when testing it. It's also possible the link you
    provided is very old and hasn't been updated in awhile.
    This would probably be the winner if I were at all
    interested in being a point.

    That was *my* link! ;) I created that table of pros and cons.
    Yes.. since the release of Winpoint 415, the table is much
    outdated now.


    One of my main interests is current development. If it's
    abandonware, I'm not interested unless the source is
    available.

    Yes.. Abandonware for Apoint is disappointment. It wasn't a
    bad point system at all.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to August Abolins on Sun May 5 08:53:34 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 22:41:00 -0400, August Abolins -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    UTF-8 isn't everything though. For the most part, english,
    french, german, swedish, finnish are supported in the basic
    char set, I believe.

    You're right, it's not. However, it's definitely something I look for (among other things) in a reader and editor. To each their own, of course.

    That was *my* link! ;) I created that table of pros and cons.
    Yes.. since the release of Winpoint 415, the table is much
    outdated now.

    Looks like you've got some updating to do. ;)

    Yes.. Abandonware for Apoint is disappointment. It wasn't a
    bad point system at all.

    I will take your word for it.

    With that said, OpenXP also has an extra nod from me because of it's NNTP functionality. That seems to be the only one out of the three that you don't have to use as a point, since you can access your original message base. Add UTF-8 support in both directions and you have a clear winner there (IMO, of course).

    If WinPoint had NNTP I probably would have kept it installed. But I don't need point software (especially storing another message base only utilized by one program) at the moment, I just wanted to see what was out there and give it a test run.

    Great stuff, though! If either of them continue development, I will definitely keep my eye out.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nicholas Boel on Mon May 6 09:44:00 2024
    Hello Nicholas!

    With that said, OpenXP also has an extra nod from me because of it's NNTP functionality.

    And email too.


    That seems to be the only one out of the three that you
    don't have to use as a point, since you can access your
    original message base.

    Dunno how it can operate without being a point unless you mean
    just as an nntp/email system.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to August Abolins on Mon May 6 17:20:40 2024
    On Mon, 6 May 2024 14:44:00 -0400, August Abolins -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    That seems to be the only one out of the three that you
    don't have to use as a point, since you can access your
    original message base.

    Dunno how it can operate without being a point unless you mean
    just as an nntp/email system.

    Just as an NNTP client. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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