• Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup

    From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to All on Wed Feb 21 10:29:56 2024
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    Title: Cabbage, Miso, And Salmon Soup
    Categories: Soups
    Yield: 1 Gallon

    2 qt Water; up to 3 qt
    1/2 Green cabbage; chopped 1"
    2 Sweet onions; diced
    15 oz Canned salmon
    8 Thyme sprigs
    4 oz Red miso
    2 tb Vietnamese mushroom powder
    1/4 c Oil; +1/4 c; divided

    Heat water and put in crockpot. Dissolve miso paste and Vietnamese
    mushroom powder into hot water. Turn crockpot onto HIGH to start
    warming it up.

    Core and half cabbage. Refrigerate unused half of cabbage. Chop other
    half into 1" squares. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in frying pan on
    medium-high heat until about 1/4 of the cabbage is browned. Add into
    crockpot.

    Peel and dice onions. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in a frying pan until
    translucent and beginning to brown. Add into crockpot.

    Pinch top of thyme sprig between thumb and forefinger. Pull backwards
    through pressed fingers to strip the leaves and tender tips off the
    tough stems. Repeat with remaining thyme sprigs. Compost stems. Mince
    thyme leaves and tips. Add into crockpot.

    Open canned salmon. Drain liquid into crockpot. Coarsely mash salmon
    into smaller chunks and add into crockpot.

    Turn crockpot onto LOW and simmer for a couple of hours, or as
    desired, to blend flavors together.

    Recipe by Ben Collver

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 20:25:01 2024
    //Hello Ben,//

    on *21.02.24* at *16:29:56* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *All* about *"Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    2 tb Vietnamese mushroom powder
    1/4 c Oil; +1/4 c; divided
    What is Vietmamese mushroom powder?

    Heat water and put in crockpot. Dissolve miso paste and Vietnamese
    mushroom powder into hot water. Turn crockpot onto HIGH to start
    warming it up.
    Is it such as microwave oven or ?

    Core and half cabbage. Refrigerate unused half of cabbage. Chop other
    half into 1" squares. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in frying pan on
    medium-high heat until about 1/4 of the cabbage is browned. Add into
    crockpot.
    Medium and half?

    Peel and dice onions. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in a frying pan until
    translucent and beginning to brown. Add into crockpot.

    Pinch top of thyme sprig between thumb and forefinger. Pull backwards
    through pressed fingers to strip the leaves and tender tips off the
    tough stems. Repeat with remaining thyme sprigs. Compost stems. Mince
    thyme leaves and tips. Add into crockpot.

    Open canned salmon. Drain liquid into crockpot. Coarsely mash salmon
    into smaller chunks and add into crockpot.

    Turn crockpot onto LOW and simmer for a couple of hours, or as
    desired, to blend flavors together.
    How many is LOW, Ben?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 13:41:09 2024
    Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Ben Collver to All on Wed Feb 21 2024 10:29 am

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cabbage, Miso, And Salmon Soup
    Categories: Soups
    Yield: 1 Gallon

    2 qt Water; up to 3 qt
    1/2 Green cabbage; chopped 1"
    2 Sweet onions; diced
    15 oz Canned salmon
    8 Thyme sprigs
    4 oz Red miso
    2 tb Vietnamese mushroom powder
    1/4 c Oil; +1/4 c; divided

    Heat water and put in crockpot. Dissolve miso paste and Vietnamese
    mushroom powder into hot water. Turn crockpot onto HIGH to start
    warming it up.

    Core and half cabbage. Refrigerate unused half of cabbage. Chop other
    half into 1" squares. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in frying pan on
    medium-high heat until about 1/4 of the cabbage is browned. Add into
    crockpot.

    Peel and dice onions. Sauté with 1/4 c oil in a frying pan until
    translucent and beginning to brown. Add into crockpot.

    Pinch top of thyme sprig between thumb and forefinger. Pull backwards
    through pressed fingers to strip the leaves and tender tips off the
    tough stems. Repeat with remaining thyme sprigs. Compost stems. Mince
    thyme leaves and tips. Add into crockpot.

    Open canned salmon. Drain liquid into crockpot. Coarsely mash salmon
    into smaller chunks and add into crockpot.

    Turn crockpot onto LOW and simmer for a couple of hours, or as
    desired, to blend flavors together.

    Recipe by Ben Collver

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    OUCH! Miso is 300mg sodium per tsp. 5.75 tsps mak 1 ounce for 1,725 mg per ounce and they want 4oz!!!! That's 6,900mg sodium! I don't think I've ever seen a recipe that high in salt/sodium before!

    Just so you know the recommened sodium is 1,800 a day (some say up to 2,000).

    xxcarol
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  • From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Feb 21 15:03:52 2024
    Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 2024 13:41:09

    That's 6,900mg sodium!

    Just so you know the recommended sodium is 1,800 a day...

    Maybe i overdid it with the miso...

    The yield is one gallon, which is 16 standard servings of soup.

    6,900 mg / 16 = 431.25 mg Sodium per serving

    I would normally eat 2 servings of soup in one sitting, so i would be
    eating 862.5 mg Sodium, or roughly 50% of my recommended daily intake.
    This is on par with or less than a brand-name can of soup.

    Blood pressure is regulated via Sodium/Potassium balance. Dark green
    veggies are high in Potassium. My current theory is that increased
    consumption of veggies is the reason why there are so many people in
    good health in parts of the world that have high-sodium cuisines.

    What do you think?
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  • From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to Denis Mosko on Wed Feb 21 15:08:55 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 2024 20:25:01

    What is Vietmamese mushroom powder?

    It is mushroom powder from Vietnam. Very savory.

    Is it such as microwave oven or ?

    It is such as any reasonable method to heat water.

    Medium and half?

    I don't understand your question. Would you care to rephrase it?

    How many is LOW, Ben?

    However many as are below MEDIUM, Denis.

    Later,
    Ben
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 08:25:41 2024
    //Hello Ben,//

    on *21.02.24* at *21:08:55* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    Is it such as microwave oven or ?

    It is such as any reasonable method to heat water.
    I have MW oven only. Is it ok for recipe?


    Medium and half?

    I don't understand your question. Would you care to rephrase it?
    :(

    How many is LOW, Ben?

    However many as are below MEDIUM, Denis.
    I do not understand your phrase. Would you care to rephrase it, Ben?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 08:30:08 2024
    //Hello Ben,//

    on *21.02.24* at *21:03:52* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    That's 6,900mg sodium!

    Just so you know the recommended sodium is 1,800 a day...

    Maybe i overdid it with the miso...
    What's miso?

    The yield is one gallon, which is 16 standard servings of soup.
    What is 1 standart serving?

    6,900 mg / 16 = 431.25 mg Sodium per serving

    I would normally eat 2 servings of soup in one sitting, so i would be eating 862.5 mg Sodium, or roughly 50% of my recommended daily intake. This is on par with or less than a brand-name can of soup.

    Blood pressure is regulated via Sodium/Potassium balance.
    What is Potassium?

    Dark green veggies are high in Potassium. My current theory is that increased
    consumption of veggies is the reason why there are so many people in good health in parts of the world that have high-sodium cuisines.
    :)

    What do you think?
    Mm.. What is sodium in that case?


    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to Denis Mosko on Thu Feb 22 12:14:01 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 2024 08:25:41

    I have MW oven only. Is it ok for recipe?

    I suppose that depends.

    Which programming languages are you written in?

    I do not understand your phrase. Would you care to rephrase it, Ben?

    You asked "How many is LOW, Ben?"

    LOW is the lowest setting on a crockpot. To answer how many, i would need
    a unit of measure, which is generally not present on a crockpot. LOW is a temperature indicator, so it would make sense to use a temperature unit of measure. The average temperature of a crockpot LOW setting is 200 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 93-1/3 degrees Celsius. That's the best answer I can think of for how many "is LOW," Denis.
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 16:42:56 2024
    Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Ben Collver to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Feb 21 2024 03:03 pm

    Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 2024 13:41:09

    That's 6,900mg sodium!

    Just so you know the recommended sodium is 1,800 a day...

    Maybe i overdid it with the miso...

    The yield is one gallon, which is 16 standard servings of soup.

    6,900 mg / 16 = 431.25 mg Sodium per serving

    I would normally eat 2 servings of soup in one sitting, so i would be
    eating 862.5 mg Sodium, or roughly 50% of my recommended daily intake.
    This is on par with or less than a brand-name can of soup.

    Blood pressure is regulated via Sodium/Potassium balance. Dark green veggies are high in Potassium. My current theory is that increased consumption of veggies is the reason why there are so many people in
    good health in parts of the world that have high-sodium cuisines.

    What do you think?

    Possible but I didn't see a gallon of soup. Tradionally this is made as a family dish so not in volume. It doesn't keep well for 1. It's not 'fancy enough' by Japan standards to have at parties where you might need more.

    I'm about to post a soup based one they might use at a home party. You'll note the difference. That one happens to be miso-free. Look to the nabe recipe after I read up the rest of todays posts (grin)

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 16:44:27 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Ben Collver to Denis Mosko on Wed Feb 21 2024 03:08 pm

    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Ben Collver on Wed Feb 21 2024 20:25:01

    What is Vietmamese mushroom powder?

    It is mushroom powder from Vietnam. Very savory.

    Is it such as microwave oven or ?

    It is such as any reasonable method to heat water.

    Medium and half?

    I don't understand your question. Would you care to rephrase it?

    How many is LOW, Ben?

    However many as are below MEDIUM, Denis.

    Later,
    Ben

    Denis missed that it's a crockpot.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Thu Feb 22 16:49:09 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Ben Collver on Thu Feb 22 2024 08:25 am

    //Hello Ben,//

    on *21.02.24* at *21:08:55* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    Is it such as microwave oven or ?

    It is such as any reasonable method to heat water.
    I have MW oven only. Is it ok for recipe?


    Medium and half?

    I don't understand your question. Would you care to rephrase it?
    :(

    How many is LOW, Ben?

    However many as are below MEDIUM, Denis.
    I do not understand your phrase. Would you care to rephrase it, Ben?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    Denis, the recipe says crockpot. If all you have is a microwave, this recipe won't work. A crockpot is a standalone appliance also called a slowcooker. It usually has a ceramic removable insert you put the food in and has normally low, medium and high setting for the temperature control and a glass lid.

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Feb 23 14:16:27 2024
    //Hello Carol,//

    on *22.02.24* at *21:49:09* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    has normally low, medium and high setting for the temperature control and a glass lid.
    My MW-oven has low, medium and high setting for the temperature coltrol and a glass circle. Why not, xxcarol?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Fri Feb 23 16:03:24 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Feb 23 2024 02:16 pm

    //Hello Carol,//

    on *22.02.24* at *21:49:09* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    has normally low, medium and high setting for the temperature control a
    a glass lid.
    My MW-oven has low, medium and high setting for the temperature coltrol and glass circle. Why not, xxcarol?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    Have you googled a crockpot yet? Try also slow cooker.

    A microwave only cooks fast. It is not capable of 'low and slow'. Having a low wattage setting on a microwave is not even remotely going to get the same results.

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Feb 24 12:53:42 2024
    //Hello Carol,//

    on *23.02.24* at *21:03:24* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    A microwave only cooks fast. It is not capable of 'low and slow'.
    Having a low wattage setting on a microwave is not even remotely going to get the same results.
    I close - open - close door and set high - low - mid, xxcarol.
    Ok?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Sat Feb 24 17:25:08 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Feb 24 2024 12:53 pm

    //Hello Carol,//

    on *23.02.24* at *21:03:24* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    A microwave only cooks fast. It is not capable of 'low and slow'. Having a low wattage setting on a microwave is not even remotely going get the same results.
    I close - open - close door and set high - low - mid, xxcarol.
    Ok?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    Doesn't matter Denis. Wrong device and nothing will make it operate the same.

    Is there a reason you don't have at least a hotplate? (thats a single burner you use a pot or a frying pan on. Very few of the recipes posted here will work with a microwave. Electrical, it plugs in.

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Feb 25 13:39:08 2024
    //Hello Carol,//

    on *24.02.24* at *22:25:08* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    Is there a reason you don't have at least a hotplate? (thats a single burner you use a pot or a frying pan on. Very few of the recipes posted here will work with a microwave. Electrical, it plugs in.
    Thanks Carol! I was curious about it after Ben mentioned it.

    Interesting but I am apt to keep making my own more complex version that would be called a salmon soup+ if it had miso and cabbage in it. For non-title pedantic folks
    (grin), it is japanese salmon soup, xxcarol!

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Feb 25 09:54:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Denis Mosko <=-

    Is there a reason you don't have at least a hotplate? (thats a single burner you use a pot or a frying pan on. Very few of the recipes
    posted here will work with a microwave. Electrical, it plugs in.

    Lots of vanlifers are bringing portable butane camp stoves into vogue
    again. I'm not sure about the safety level of using one indoors, but
    they're inexpensive and don't require much in the way of anything.

    Electric ones look pretty simple, look like they'd draw around 10 amps,
    a lightly-loaded shared circuit should suffice.



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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 26 09:53:53 2024
    //Hello Kurt,//

    on *25.02.24* at *17:54:00* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    Lots of vanlifers are bringing portable butane camp stoves into vogue again. I'm not sure about the safety level of using one indoors, but they're inexpensive and don't require much in the way of anything.

    Electric ones look pretty simple, look like they'd draw around 10 amps, a lightly-loaded shared circuit should suffice.
    Our vanlifer is bringing portable butan camp stoves into vogue. It inexpensive and do not require much in the way anything.
    And your's?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Denis Mosko on Mon Feb 26 06:41:00 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Our vanlifer is bringing portable butan camp stoves into vogue. It inexpensive and do not require much in the way anything. And your's?

    I bought for a "glamping" trip we did a while back with our kids. We got
    a tent with cots and electic lights, a picnic bench, a common area with
    a pool and hot tub, communal kitchen and showers, and outdoor movies for
    the kids. Made breakfasts and a couple of dinners on it. Lots of fun.



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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 27 13:40:30 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Kurt Weiske to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Feb 25 2024 09:54 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Denis Mosko <=-

    Is there a reason you don't have at least a hotplate? (thats a single burner you use a pot or a frying pan on. Very few of the recipes posted here will work with a microwave. Electrical, it plugs in.

    Lots of vanlifers are bringing portable butane camp stoves into vogue
    again. I'm not sure about the safety level of using one indoors, but
    they're inexpensive and don't require much in the way of anything.

    Electric ones look pretty simple, look like they'd draw around 10 amps,
    a lightly-loaded shared circuit should suffice.



    ... Remove ambiguities and convert to specifics

    Butane is generally safe indoors but just in case, crack a window a little. Look for ones rated for indoor use. Propane aka 'liquid gas aka natural gas.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Tue Feb 27 14:11:24 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Denis Mosko to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 26 2024 09:53 am

    //Hello Kurt,//

    on *25.02.24* at *17:54:00* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup"*.

    Lots of vanlifers are bringing portable butane camp stoves into vogue again. I'm not sure about the safety level of using one indoors, but they're inexpensive and don't require much in the way of anything.

    Electric ones look pretty simple, look like they'd draw around 10 amps, lightly-loaded shared circuit should suffice.
    Our vanlifer is bringing portable butan camp stoves into vogue. It inexpensi and do not require much in the way anything.
    And your's?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    I'm not a van person but I have one for emergency use in a power outage if it's cold enough to risk pipes freezing in the back room.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 27 14:39:04 2024
    Re: Re: Cabbage, Miso, Salmon Soup
    By: Kurt Weiske to Denis Mosko on Mon Feb 26 2024 06:41 am

    Denis Mosko wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Our vanlifer is bringing portable butan camp stoves into vogue. It inexpensive and do not require much in the way anything. And your's?

    I bought for a "glamping" trip we did a while back with our kids. We got
    a tent with cots and electic lights, a picnic bench, a common area with
    a pool and hot tub, communal kitchen and showers, and outdoor movies for
    the kids. Made breakfasts and a couple of dinners on it. Lots of fun.




    I always thought it would be fun to go camping with a small RV. One of those where the drivers cabin is open to the rest of it and living space about 8x12. Super mini-shower, catlitter toilet (grin).

    I saw a home-built one once. Mostly empty cat litter bucket under a wide board with a hole in the center and a toilet seat bolted over it. It fit in the tiny shower when not in use. More cat litter bucket in a simple kitchen bench where the lid lifted and had storage. Propane for cooking. Solar on roof carging a jackery type battery (built in inverter). It was really neat!

    xxcarol
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