• Epstein Files

    From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to All on Fri Feb 13 05:08:21 2026
    Though I would do something a bit different, but this echo is about talking about CONSPIRACY's after all...

    So, I was thinking.. What if Jeffrey Epstein was originally a CIA operative and the entire plan from the begining was to use his island and "girls" as a large blackmail scheme to blackmain foreign heads of state and US businessmen and it spun out of control. Even more so now that DJT is the President. Let's speculate that nobody in their wildest dreams when the program was planned in stood up ever considered that a scenario.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Rug Rat on Fri Feb 13 12:39:31 2026
    Hi Rug,

    On 2026-02-13 05:08:21, you wrote to All:

    So, I was thinking.. What if Jeffrey Epstein was originally a CIA operative and the entire plan from the begining was to use his island
    and "girls" as a large blackmail scheme to blackmain foreign heads of state and US businessmen and it spun out of control. Even more so now that DJT is the President. Let's speculate that nobody in their
    wildest dreams when the program was planned in stood up ever
    considered that a scenario.

    He probably wouldn't have lived as long as he did, if he was blackmailing on a large scale... ;-)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUG RAT on Fri Feb 13 10:10:22 2026
    Though I would do something a bit different, but this echo is about talking about CONSPIRACY's after all...

    So, I was thinking.. What if Jeffrey Epstein was originally a CIA operative and the entire plan from the begining was to use his island and "girls" as a large blackmail scheme to blackmain foreign heads of state and US businessmen and it spun out of control. Even more so now that DJT is the President. Let'
    speculate that nobody in their wildest dreams when the program was planned in stood up ever considered that a scenario.

    Don't know about the CIA but there are other conspiracies that suggest he
    was being backed by a foreign "state actor."

    My "conspiratal" concerns with all of this is that they are currently
    posting the files so that, in future, anyone named can claim they cannot receive a fair trial because all the details of any potential offenses have already been exposed publicly.

    The files have some email header fields redacted, but I have already seen a couple where they either didn't redact the person's wife's name (Bill
    Gates), or where they didn't redact the person's email signature.

    Also, some of the emails where they have redacted the FROM but not the TO
    (when it is Epstein) were actually sent from Epstein to himself, so the validity of what is contained in them can be questioned.

    People on the internet are going out and finding names that Epstein
    mentioned and thinking that automatically makes them paedofiles. They are
    also finding redacted emails and making some very wild guesses as to who
    wrote them, falsely incriminating people because they don't like their politics. At least a few are also posting AI generated "evidence" with
    lurid conversations attributed to celebrities.

    So, my guess is that because the files are released publically there will very likely never be any convictions or even indictments that come out of them.
    If there are any, it will only be for the most heanous crimes, against dead persons who cannot defend themselves, or against small-time players who
    cannot afford to properly defend themselves. :(

    I wanted them released, but to law enforcement and not to all of us for
    this reason.

    Mike

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Rug Rat on Fri Feb 13 11:46:54 2026
    Rug Rat wrote to All <=-

    So, I was thinking.. What if Jeffrey Epstein was originally a CIA operative and the entire plan from the begining was to use his island
    and "girls" as a large blackmail scheme to blackmain foreign heads of state and US businessmen and it spun out of control. Even more so now that DJT is the President. Let's speculate that nobody in their
    wildest dreams when the program was planned in stood up ever considered that a scenario.

    Plausible, although I'd think the string-puller to be outside the US,
    looking to compromise our politicians. It seems to have worked, seeing
    the slow walking, the hollow promises and outright lawbreaking
    revolving around the release of information.

    Either everyone in Washington is compromised, or the billionaires
    pulling their strings are.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Feb 13 11:46:54 2026
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Rug Rat <=-

    He probably wouldn't have lived as long as he did, if he was
    blackmailing on a large scale... ;-)

    Who says he's dead? With as much foul play surrounding his death, all
    bets are off. For all we know he could have been protected from on high
    and is living his best life in some secret compound. He couldn't get
    Ghislane out, at least she's in a low-security tennis prison.



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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Feb 13 17:40:18 2026
    On Fri 13-Feb-2026 12:39p, Wilfred Van Velzen@2:280/464.0 said to Rug Rat:
    Hi Rug,

    On 2026-02-13 05:08:21, you wrote to All:


    He probably wouldn't have lived as long as he did, if he was blackmailing on a large scale... ;-)

    Unless there was a tripwire built into the scheme. That the information is all immediately released upon death. Then your victims will want you to be kept alive as long as possible.

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Mike Powell on Fri Feb 13 17:51:24 2026
    On Fri 13-Feb-2026 10:10a, Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Rug Rat:

    Don't know about the CIA but there are other conspiracies that suggest he was being backed by a foreign "state actor."

    Then why all the subterfuge with the hesitency to release them, on our side?

    The lies of,

    "They are on my desk..."

    Later...

    "There are no files..."

    Well, you have painted yourself into a corner, either they are on your desk or the never existed. You have painted yourself into a corner as you were lying then or you are lying now.. Which is it?

    I think Trump stupidly made a compange promis before realizing or knowing that by doing so it would bring down powerful people in his own party. I think those powerful people were betting that either the paper/digital trial was long gone, Trump would be distracted by other things on his agenda, or others in the loop would still play ball and not release the documents for fear bredth of the polical fallout. They lost the bet, the gennie was now out of the bottle and everyone was in a full panic trying to figure out how to get it back in the bottle!


    My "conspiratal" concerns with all of this is that they are currently posting the files so that, in future, anyone named can claim they cannot receive a fair trial because all the details of any potential offenses
    have
    already been exposed publicly.

    The has never stopped the wheel of justice from moving forward to arrests and trial for the commoon folk in the past, even when the media is the one tried and convicted the suspect before it even went to court, IE the security guard at the Atlanta Olympics.

    The evidence is out there, the public demanded it. IF there are any charges brought forth, it is up the lawyers on both sides to put it into context.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Rug Rat on Sat Feb 14 02:11:58 2026
    Hi Rug,

    On 2026-02-13 17:40:18, you wrote to me:

    He probably wouldn't have lived as long as he did, if he was
    blackmailing on a large scale... ;-)

    Unless there was a tripwire built into the scheme. That the information is
    all immediately released upon death. Then your victims will want you to be
    kept alive as long as possible.

    Of course there was. But with a large number of victims, the chance that one of them didn't care to much about that, or does something stupid, would become quite high...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Rug Rat on Fri Feb 13 18:24:31 2026
    So, I was thinking.. What if Jeffrey Epstein was originally a CIA operative and the entire plan from the begining was to use his island
    and "girls" as a large blackmail scheme to blackmain foreign heads of state and US businessmen and it spun out of control. Even more so now that DJT is the President. Let's speculate that nobody in their wildest dreams when the program was planned in stood up ever considered that a scenario.

    I think we're gonna continue to find out a lot more up this alley - I don't think yer far off.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUG RAT on Sat Feb 14 10:39:02 2026
    Don't know about the CIA but there are other conspiracies that suggest he was being backed by a foreign "state actor."

    Then why all the subterfuge with the hesitency to release them, on our side?

    The lies of,

    "They are on my desk..."

    Later...

    "There are no files..."

    Because people are in them that they don't want to expose.

    Well, you have painted yourself into a corner, either they are on your desk or
    the never existed. You have painted yourself into a corner as you were lying then or you are lying now.. Which is it?

    They are always lying when it comes to this topic.

    I think Trump stupidly made a compange promis before realizing or knowing that
    by doing so it would bring down powerful people in his own party. I think those powerful people were betting that either the paper/digital trial was lon
    gone, Trump would be distracted by other things on his agenda, or others in th
    loop would still play ball and not release the documents for fear bredth of th
    polical fallout. They lost the bet, the gennie was now out of the bottle and everyone was in a full panic trying to figure out how to get it back in the bottle!

    Cannot disagree here.

    My "conspiratal" concerns with all of this is that they are currently posting the files so that, in future, anyone named can claim they cannot receive a fair trial because all the details of any potential offenses have
    already been exposed publicly.

    The has never stopped the wheel of justice from moving forward to arrests and trial for the commoon folk in the past, even when the media is the one tried and convicted the suspect before it even went to court, IE the security guard at the Atlanta Olympics.

    The evidence is out there, the public demanded it. IF there are any charges brought forth, it is up the lawyers on both sides to put it into context.

    Yes but I don't think this much has been let out of the bag before someone
    got in, and stayed in, trouble.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 15 08:03:13 2026
    So, my guess is that because the files are released publically there will ver
    >likely never be any convictions or even indictments that come out of them.
    >If there are any, it will only be for the most heanous crimes, against dead
    >persons who cannot defend themselves, or against small-time players who
    >cannot afford to properly defend themselves. :(

    That would be true from the eMails but couldn't those underage women
    go after the offenders themselves? Emails wouldn't make a case on
    their own but might support what these ladies say..

    That said, I can't help but wonder how many of those 'exploited'
    under-age girls were there totally voluntarily and quite thrilled
    about it at the time but now want to make a big fuss over it for
    publicity and/or money.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Feb 15 10:21:44 2026
    So, my guess is that because the files are released publically there will ver
    >likely never be any convictions or even indictments that come out of them.
    >If there are any, it will only be for the most heanous crimes, against dead
    >persons who cannot defend themselves, or against small-time players who
    >cannot afford to properly defend themselves. :(

    That would be true from the eMails but couldn't those underage women
    go after the offenders themselves? Emails wouldn't make a case on
    their own but might support what these ladies say..

    They could. Sounds like they tried to take the criminal route themselves, going as far back as the late 1990s (??), but the FBI at the time sort of ignored them and/or thought they didn't have enough to make a case.

    They may luck out in other countries, or in the individual states, provided that any state that legally could do so didn't have a statute of
    limitations that has already run out.

    They may need to try the civil route to get anything done on their own.

    That said, I can't help but wonder how many of those 'exploited'
    under-age girls were there totally voluntarily and quite thrilled
    about it at the time but now want to make a big fuss over it for
    publicity and/or money.

    The issue here would be, as under-aged persons, they were not old enough to make those decisions on their own which would put the responsibility on the adults that were exploiting them.

    Mike

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