• josh renault hacker

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Fri Oct 15 10:59:39 2021
    did you guys see this shit

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg8ynp/governor-wants-to-prosecute-journalist-who-clicked-view-source-on-government-site

    Missouri Governor Mike Parson wants to prosecute a journalist who warned the state that a government website left school teachers and administrators' Social Security numbers exposed.

    Parson called St Louis. Post-Dispatch reporter Josh Renaud a "hacker" and vowed to seek criminal prosecution at a press conference on Thursday. Renaud's "crime?" Clicking "view source" on a publicly available webpage.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Oct 15 13:14:20 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: MRO to All on Fri Oct 15 2021 10:59 am

    did you guys see this shit

    Yeah, read about that this morning.

    Missouri Governor Mike Parson wants to prosecute a journalist who warned the state that a government website left school teachers and administrators' Social Security numbers exposed.

    It's a gaping hole, and I'd love to say I was surprised that their IT department didn't find it first, but I'm not. Security is the first thing to go when you're trying to save a buck or two in a budget.

    Parson called St Louis. Post-Dispatch reporter Josh Renaud a "hacker" and vowed to seek criminal prosecution at a press conference on Thursday. Renaud's "crime?" Clicking "view source" on a publicly available webpage.

    When I was reading that article this morning, I couldn't help but feel like this was just a natural progression of politicians/government attacking the press. I can't be so sure that a similar reaction would have been done if a random security researcher had contacted them to let them know.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 16 03:08:19 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Oct 15 2021 01:14 pm


    It's a gaping hole, and I'd love to say I was surprised that their IT department didn't find it first, but I'm not. Security is the first thing to go when you're trying to save a buck or two in a budget.

    Parson called St Louis. Post-Dispatch reporter Josh Renaud a "hacker" and vowed to seek criminal prosecution at a press conference on Thursday. Renaud's "crime?" Clicking "view source" on a publicly available webpage.

    When I was reading that article this morning, I couldn't help but feel like this was just a natural progression of politicians/government attacking the press. I can't be so sure that a similar reaction would have been done if a random security researcher had contacted them to let them know.


    josh is behaving weirdly by deleting his facebook and making all his social media hidden. it makes me wonder why he even was looking at the website's source. was there some issue with the site? it would be good to have some context instead of hiding under a rock.


    of course it's not a crime to look at a website's source. but people have gone to court over ignorance of technology before. when they brought in napster they made it seem like he was a guy on the street corner selling bootlegs.
    the court couldn't understand the concept of p2p file sharing.

    I just wonder what he's doing poking around like that when he's a father with kids and trying to scrape together a living with patch.
    like i said, would be good to have some context.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 16 06:24:24 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Oct 15 2021 01:14 pm

    When I was reading that article this morning, I couldn't help but feel like this was just a natural progression of politicians/government attacking the press. I can't be so sure that a similar reaction would have been done if random security researcher had contacted them to let them know.

    DaiTengu

    A couple of years ago (I think it was 2014 or so) they told me of some random IT guy who reported a stupid security gap of this sort and they also went on and tried to crush him.

    In this case the guy was sent to jail because he exploited the gap some months later after reporting it, in order to check if they had fixed it, after he had been explicitly told not to do it. Since he had been explicitly told not to do it they sold it as an unauthorized access to the judge.

    Clown world we live in.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Oct 16 07:41:05 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 16 2021 06:24 am

    In this case the guy was sent to jail because he exploited the gap some months later after reporting it, in order to check if they had fixed it, after he had been explicitly told not to do it. Since he had been explicitly told not to do it they sold it as an unauthorized access to the judge.

    Clown world we live in.

    well looks like the info on the site was encoded and josh decoded it.
    so makes me wonder why this guy is doing this. especially when his linkedin says he's not a reporter anymore but he's identifying as such.

    he's a father of 4 kids, just seems weird that he's playing around like this.

    could be he's just a 'busy idiot' as gordon ramsay says. patch also went and published a story about it after it was fixed. so josh wasn't just being a good guy, it was self serving.

    yes, it was published to the public and god knows why.
    if i leave my keys in my car by mistake that doesn't give someone the right to take my car and drive off. if my front door isnt locked that doesn't mean someone can come in and look around and take my things.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to ARELOR on Sat Oct 16 08:44:00 2021
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    In this case the guy was sent to jail because he exploited the gap
    some months later after reporting it, in order to check if they had
    fixed it, after he had been explicitly told not to do it. Since he had been explicitly told not to do it they sold it as an unauthorized
    access to the judge.
    Clown world we live in.

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and management
    freaked out because it found some holes.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dr. What on Sat Oct 16 21:54:23 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Dr. What to ARELOR on Sat Oct 16 2021 08:44 am

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is that everything is working fine.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sun Oct 17 02:26:19 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Sat Oct 16 2021 09:54 pm


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is that everything is working fine.

    same thing with my current company and my other company where i was there for almost 20 years. you point out their flaws and then you have a target on your fucking back.

    infact, i recently tried to reach out when our plant mgr made it a point to come in, in the middle of the night to talk to use about a situation we had. i pointed out all the problems and said we need to have an audit. and then he just made excuses and said to talk to the moron s.h.e guy we have who is pretty much part of the problem.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Arelor on Sun Oct 17 08:33:53 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Sat Oct 16 2021 09:54 pm

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and
    management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is that everything is working fine.

    and when the hackers get in and destroy everything the you get fired for *NOT* stopping it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Denn on Sun Oct 17 12:07:04 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Denn to Arelor on Sun Oct 17 2021 08:33 am

    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Sat Oct 16 2021 09:54 pm

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and
    management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and you reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is th everything is working fine.

    and when the hackers get in and destroy everything the you get fired for *N stopping it.


    ... Behind every Great man is a woman rolling her eyes


    I was not even thinking of security vulnerabilities. I was thinking of many common, down to Earth situations.

    "Hey boss, we have caught the supervisor passing false documents. Again."


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Mon Oct 18 15:06:00 2021
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    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    I've had good management that wasn't like that. But those people were certainly a very small minority of the management that I've had to deal with.


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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/MNLOUNGE to MRO on Wed Oct 20 19:32:32 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: MRO to All on Fri Oct 15 2021 10:59:39

    did you guys see this shit

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg8ynp/governor-wants-to-prosecute-journalis t-w ho-clicked-view-source-on-government-site

    Missouri Governor Mike Parson wants to prosecute a journalist who warned the state that a government website left school teachers and administrators' Social Security numbers exposed.

    Parson called St Louis. Post-Dispatch reporter Josh Renaud a "hacker" and vowed to seek criminal prosecution at a press conference on Thursday. Renaud's "crime?" Clicking "view source" on a publicly available webpage.

    Why admit you're wrong ot take responsibility for your actions when you can criminalize your critics? That's perfect politician logic right there.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vlk-451 on Thu Oct 21 03:56:25 2021
    Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Vlk-451 to MRO on Wed Oct 20 2021 07:32 pm


    Why admit you're wrong ot take responsibility for your actions when you can criminalize your critics? That's perfect politician logic right there.

    well those werent HIS (governor) actions. obviously they had an it guy there that was an idiot. we still do not know the facts of the case. just that were was some sort of hashed data in html generated on the site that josh decoded.

    "The Social Security numbers of school teachers, administrators and counselors across Missouri were vulnerable to public exposure due to flaws on a website maintained by the state's Department of Elementary and Secondary Education.

    The Post-Dispatch discovered the vulnerability in a web application that allowed the public to search teacher certifications and credentials. "

    i'm not sure why josh is doing penetrating testing when he's a reporter or WHATEVER at patch. he's being very quiet about it and locking everything down.

    technically he did break their laws. just like if i leave my key in my car, it doesn't give you the right to take it and drive it off. OR, if i leave my house door open, it doesn't give you the right to walk in and look around.
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to ARELOR on Tue Oct 26 14:04:00 2021
    ARELOR wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and
    your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because
    for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from
    you is that everything is working fine.

    I worked for a YES MAN once. When someone else balked him on something and
    I agreed, he asked why I didn't already speak up. LOL




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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Oct 27 15:31:09 2021
    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ARELOR on Tue Oct 26 2021 02:04 pm

    ARELOR wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is that everything is working fine.

    I worked for a YES MAN once. When someone else balked him on something and
    I agreed, he asked why I didn't already speak up. LOL




    Well, if it is more than one employee doing the bitching they may listen to the complaints. "May" being the magical word.

    The problem is management is so passive-agressive dealing with legit complaints that anybody who speaks ends up speaking alone.

    I have seen pretty scary stuff, such as a Doctor complaining that an ecograph was not working, when it was actually non working, and the rest of the people there saying the ecograph was fine.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed Oct 27 19:17:33 2021
    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Arelor to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Oct 27 2021 03:31 pm

    Well, if it is more than one employee doing the bitching they may listen to the complaints. "May" being the magical word.

    The problem is management is so passive-agressive dealing with legit complaints that anybody who speaks ends up speaking alone.

    I have seen pretty scary stuff, such as a Doctor complaining that an ecograph was not working, when it was actually non working, and the rest of the people there saying the ecograph was fine.


    humans are weird animals. i've told mgmt about stuff that everyone was complaining about and it ended up looking like i was the only dude. even in the presence of others that brought it up, they were silent.

    i got in trouble for complaining about my company not hiring black people.

    at another company i brought up serious safety issues and other serious problems and i was met with excuses. this is after they had a meeting asking us to speak up. they could fuck off after that.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri Oct 29 12:33:00 2021
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    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ARELOR on
    Tue Oct 26 2021 02:04 pm

    ARELOR wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    I've worked in companies like that. You report a problem that
    management doesn't want to deal with and they just ignore it.

    One guy got fired because he did his job of checking for security
    issues. He ran an automated process that checked things and management freaked out because it found some holes.


    My experience is ALL management is like that.

    They go on and on and on about how they want to hear your ideas and your reports and that your opinion matters to them. You point at some issue that needs specific action, and you become their enemy, because for all their beautifull words, the only thing they want to hear from you is that everything is working fine.

    I worked for a YES MAN once. When someone else balked him on something and
    I agreed, he asked why I didn't already speak up. LOL




    Well, if it is more than one employee doing the bitching they may
    listen to the complaints. "May" being the magical word.

    The problem is management is so passive-agressive dealing with legit complaints that anybody who speaks ends up speaking alone.

    I have seen pretty scary stuff, such as a Doctor complaining that an ecograph was not working, when it was actually non working, and the
    rest of the people there saying the ecograph was fine.

    I work for a company with a "strong company culture", which values "diversity" and so forth. It is the least diverse company I've ever worked for and the groupthink there is at a level you would see in a cult.

    Everyone gets to the top by stroking the ego of those above them. When management has a brainfart and decides that the latest thought from Silicon Valley is what we should adopt, how do you, the lowly employee tell these genius's they're wrong? After all, there was a TED talk on the subject!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Fri Oct 29 03:56:46 2021
    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri Oct 29 2021 12:33 pm


    I work for a company with a "strong company culture", which values "diversity" and so forth. It is the least diverse company I've ever worked for and the groupthink there is at a level you would see in a cult.

    Everyone gets to the top by stroking the ego of those above them. When management has a brainfart and decides that the latest thought from Silicon Valley is what we should adopt, how do you, the lowly employee tell these


    that's the way it is now pretty much everywhere. the company i just left acted like they were so good and well intentioned! they were going to save the world and the environment! whats weird is they look like they are just trying to take over the world. i called the ceo dr evil.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sat Oct 30 21:22:00 2021
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    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri Oct 29 2021 12:33 pm


    I work for a company with a "strong company culture", which values "diversity" and so forth. It is the least diverse company I've ever worked for and the groupthink there is at a level you would see in a cult.

    Everyone gets to the top by stroking the ego of those above them. When management has a brainfart and decides that the latest thought from Silicon Valley is what we should adopt, how do you, the lowly employee tell these


    that's the way it is now pretty much everywhere. the company i just
    left acted like they were so good and well intentioned! they were going
    to save the world and the environment! whats weird is they look like they are just trying to take over the world. i called the ceo dr evil.

    Aren't all these evil people who want to dominate, just trying to save the world?

    The great evils are caused by people who think they can save us all.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Boraxman on Sun Oct 31 10:20:00 2021
    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Oct 30 2021 09:22 pm

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    I work for a company with a "strong company culture", which values "diversity" and so forth. It is the least diverse company I've ever work for and the groupthink there is at a level you would see in a cult.

    Everyone gets to the top by stroking the ego of those above them. When management has a brainfart and decides that the latest thought from Silic Valley is what we should adopt, how do you, the lowly employee tell these


    that's the way it is now pretty much everywhere. the company i just left acted like they were so good and well intentioned! they were going to save the world and the environment! whats weird is they look like they are just trying to take over the world. i called the ceo dr evil.

    Aren't all these evil people who want to dominate, just trying to save the world?

    The great evils are caused by people who think they can save us all.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Moondog on Mon Nov 1 22:00:00 2021
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    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri Oct 29 2021 12:33 pm


    I work for a company with a "strong company culture", which values "diversity" and so forth. It is the least diverse company I've ever work for and the groupthink there is at a level you would see in a cult.

    Everyone gets to the top by stroking the ego of those above them. When management has a brainfart and decides that the latest thought from Silic Valley is what we should adopt, how do you, the lowly employee tell these


    that's the way it is now pretty much everywhere. the company i just left acted like they were so good and well intentioned! they were going to save the world and the environment! whats weird is they look like they are just trying to take over the world. i called the ceo dr evil.

    Aren't all these evil people who want to dominate, just trying to save the world?

    The great evils are caused by people who think they can save us all.



    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

    Those who wish to dominate think of themselves first,and no one else.
    They soon discover they can not do it all by themselves and must either work with or have others work for them. Non-skilled labor will work
    for near nothing because they lack the bargaining power a person with a special skillset has. Even with skilled laborers, they'll discover the reason some employees demaned more money, and you get what you pay for when you go the cheaper route.

    Regarding the brown nosing game, the reason why an employee that
    appears to be incompetent can stay around is because they have
    something else to offer or appear to know more about the people who run the operation.

    At the moment, even unskilled workers, at least in Australia, have good bargaining power. Some are earning more than I am, as a professional, simply because of supply/demand.

    What will happen, is the government will bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants to depress wages. Thats really what keeps low skilled workers cheap, not the workers value themselves.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon Nov 1 18:23:27 2021
    Re: Re: josh renault hacker
    By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Nov 01 2021 10:00 pm


    At the moment, even unskilled workers, at least in Australia, have good bargaining power. Some are earning more than I am, as a professional, simply because of supply/demand.

    What will happen, is the government will bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants to depress wages. Thats really what keeps low skilled workers cheap, not the workers value themselves.

    australia needs a fucking revolution. i dont know how the govt can treat those people like that.
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    By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Nov 01 2021 10:00 pm


    At the moment, even unskilled workers, at least in Australia, have good bargaining power. Some are earning more than I am, as a professional, simply because of supply/demand.

    What will happen, is the government will bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants to depress wages. Thats really what keeps low skilled workers cheap, not the workers value themselves.

    australia needs a fucking revolution. i dont know how the govt can
    treat those people like that. ---

    Yeah, I agree. Australian's are pretty dumb politically, and there are so many in Melbourne who cheer on this creeping fascism.

    There is no chance that Australian's will go against the government in the way they need to. Thats why Australia is the testbed for New World Order style programs, people just go along.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Wed Nov 3 15:52:00 2021
    There is no chance that Australian's will go against the government in the way
    they need to. Thats why Australia is the testbed for New World Order style programs, people just go along.

    Before COVID, didn't they have a growing group of people who were not
    wanting to go along with the government?


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Nov 6 19:22:00 2021
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    There is no chance that Australian's will go against the government in the
    way

    they need to. Thats why Australia is the testbed for New World Order style programs, people just go along.

    Before COVID, didn't they have a growing group of people who were not wanting to go along with the government?

    In Australia?

    Not really, no.

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