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Did you guys see this yet? College student built his own array of 100-transistor ICs basically from scratch. Unreal. Imagine a future where yo could not just screw around with FPGAs, but even fab your own little chips.
Between this and that guy who made a computer out of wired logic, capable of running Minix 2, the domination of Sillicon Valley and Big Tech is about to end!
I know, I know, but dreaming is for free, right?
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Ksource wrote to Arelor <=-
I think the biggest problem will be convincing people that they don't actually need 32GB of RAM and 16 cores to send an email.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: HusTler to ksourse on Tue Aug 17 2021 03:42 pm
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence seems fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their old units sooner though.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence seems fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their old units sooner though.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Aug 17 2021 01:55 pm
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence se fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a lon time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their old sooner though.
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything from OS's (Windows and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
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I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence seems fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their old units sooner though.
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything from OS's (Windows and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
I don't think the survival of Apple and Microsoft is a good thing in of itself. It's good only in so far is it brings about other goods. This is especially true when you think about all the environmental waste that comes from cycling through digital equipment so often.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: MRO to Ksource on Tue Aug 17 2021 08:52 am
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Re: Homemade ICs
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Aug 17 2021 01:55 pm
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence seems fairl
popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their old units sooner
though.
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything from OS's (Wind
and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
... The most popular labour-saving device today is still a husband with money.
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence
seems fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful
for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people
replace their old units sooner though.
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything from OS's (Windows and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
One of my hay providers uses a tractor that is nearly 60 years old already. You may argue that it would be better for him to go get a new one for all the advantages and features modern models come with, but for the sort of light work this guy does, his likely answer would be: "Why in hell should I get a new tractor when I have one that works fine? Because they made a new model and they need to sell it?"
TBH I am known for using junkyard computers, and I know people around here are using stoneage-grade computers. Most of my friends have better and newer computers than I do, but they don't have a more satisfying digital life or do something so groundbreaking with their new computers that would make me consider spending a single dollar upgrading.
If anything, I am disappointed that the new things are not great enough that they make me want to buy them.
I have been saying for quite a while that we need no more film-making industry... there are already so many films recorded that you could not watch half of them in a single lifetime. Many are very good. There is no need to make new ones :-)
The Software industry has already learned that selling programs is a dead end so they are switching to subscription models, enterprise support contracts, and data mining. A software studio can definitively survive supporting and patching a single software product for a decade. Heck, IBM recently came up with an updated COBOL compiler.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: Ksource to HusTler on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:24 am
I don't think the survival of Apple and Microsoft is a good thing in of itself. It's good only in so far is it brings about other goods. This is especially true when you think about all the environmental waste that com from cycling through digital equipment so often.
i think you mean you don't think.
apple and microsoft are innovative companies that we have all benefitted fro
regarding computer hardware, we could always recycle.
I have been saying for quite a while that we need no more film-making industry... there are already so many films recorded that you could not watch half of them in a single lifetime. Many are very good. There is n need to make new ones :-)
I suspect that's a bit tongue-in-cheek and not totally serious. :) But I wa going to say it seems they can continue to make good new movies, even if the are already a lot of older good movies. Also, sometimes it might make sense make a remake of a movie to look more fitting in modern times (i.e., there might be a movie from the 1960s that's very good, but might look out of plac now as there would be nobody seen with cell phones, technology seen in the movie in general would be old, etc.).
I don't really like the idea of paying a repeated subscription cost for software.. I guess I'm still used to the idea of buying something once and only buying something new when I need to. With older software, you'd only p when buying a new version, but you could still use the old version as long a you want after you buy it. It's like with a car, you can buy it and keep us it as long as you want; the only time you'd keep paying is if you were renti it.
Also, there are legit reasons to make a remake. Not many, but there are. Certainly, I think bringing a movie up to the current date is not one. I don't want a Predator remake just because Arnold is smartphoneless. Films that are good enough to be considered for a remake were a product of their times and should stay that way.
Sure, you can remake Frankenstein 30 times, but the cheesy lightning effects, the "It's Alive!" scream and such are an iremovable part of what Frankenstein is. If you remove those components and replace them with a modern interpretation you are removing what made the movie memorable. Your remake may be good, but it will barely be Frankenstein anymore.
I am not a fan of software subscriptions but I respect service subscriptions. They are different things.
Still, as much as I hate the prospect, it does not invalidate the fact that the future of software development seems to be stopping to try selling you Microsoft Office licenses and trying to sell you some cloud document management subscription instead.
apple and microsoft are innovative companies that we have all
benefitted fro
Maybe they _were_ innovative companies back in the day (and that is debatable) but they sure as heck are not today.
But most of the time, I don't really want to 'rent' software. There are also a lot of instances where I don't use a piece of software regularly, but will have a use for it occasionally. I wouldn't want to keep paying a recurring fee when I'm not using it. I'd rather just buy it once. But I can understand paying again for a new version though; I've done that befor and I think it makes sense.
Maybe they _were_ innovative companies back in the day (and that is debatable) but they sure as heck are not today.
Microsoft has been tailing everybody else in the industry for quite some years and are actually pumping a lot of money into projects that are not IT related at all. They are at that point in which they don't have as many ideas as they used to have so they need to purchase firms that already had the ideas. They fumbled their mobile presence and now they are struggling to become data miners, Linux vendors and groupware vendors; activities in which some other firm got them beaten to so they had to buy them or play second to the ones that did better than them.
Regarding Apple, and as somebody else said elsewhere: "Without Jobs, the only thing they have been able to do is market bigger iPhones." I don't think the quote is 100% accurate but I don't think it misses the mark by that much either.
Maybe they _were_ innovative companies back in the day (and that is debatable) but they sure as heck are not today.
Yeah, I was thinking of the old argument that they both tried to innovate with making a GUI, but Xerox was really the company that created the first computer GUI.
And yes, both Apple and Microsoft have made products that many people use, but their popularity doesn't necessarily mean they're innovative.
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything
from OS's (Windows and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
What do you mean? Companies not surviving people buying new versions of things, or not buying new versions of things?
I just mean technology needs to improve and it can't improve if it stays the same. I would love to have my new laptop last 20 years but that's not realistic. In fact, I've had it six months and the speakers stopped working already. So I'm going to have to replace this one before I wanted to. Hopefully technology will improve to make Laptops last longer. I'm not a technichian and don't even understand why the speakers on my 10 year old laptop still work yet the 6 month old one crapped out.
http://sam.zeloof.xyz/second-ic/
Did you guys see this yet? College student built his own array of 100-transistor ICs basically from scratch. Unreal. Imagine a future where you could not just screw around with FPGAs, but even fab your own little chips.
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I think the biggest problem will be convincing people that they don't actually need 32GB of RAM and 16 cores to send an email.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
Sometimes, if it's not broken, don't fix it.. Planned obsolescence
seems fairly popular these days, but a device can often be useful for a long time. Manufacturers would often like to see people replace their
old units sooner though.
Arelor wrote to Ksource <=-
Between this and that guy who made a computer out of wired logic,
capable of running Minix 2, the domination of Sillicon Valley and Big
Tech is about to end!
I know, I know, but dreaming is for free, right?
Ksource wrote to All <=-
http://sam.zeloof.xyz/second-ic/
Did you guys see this yet? College student built his own array of 100-transistor ICs basically from scratch. Unreal. Imagine a future
where you could not just screw around with FPGAs, but even fab your own little chips.
I was a senior in high school when I made the Z1 amplifier...
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Arelor wrote to Ksource <=-
Between this and that guy who made a computer out of wired logic, capable of running Minix 2, the domination of Sillicon Valley and Big Tech is about to end!
I know, I know, but dreaming is for free, right?
He needs to get together with the guy who wrote collapseOS with the intention of scavenging 8-bit processors and making an OS to run on them.
... Consult other sources -promising -unpromising
I just mean technology needs to improve and it can't improve if it
stays the same. I would love to have my new laptop last 20 years but
I think we probably already have the ability to make quality stuff that lasts a long time. Manufacturers probably don't want to put in extra effort to make things with that high quality though, either because it would take too long and/or be too expensive, or because they'd rather people buy a new one sooner.
I think we probably already have the ability to make quality stuff
that lasts a long time. Manufacturers probably don't want to put in
I read somewhere that all electonics come from the same sweatshops in asia. Although everyone recommended a Leveno I'm confident the sound card not a Lenevo. I have the same card in my acer. So much for "name" brands.
I read somewhere that all electonics come from the same sweatshops in asia. Although everyone recommended a Leveno I'm confident the sound card not a Lenevo. I have the same card in my acer. So much for "name" brands.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Aug 20 2021 07:56 am
I read somewhere that all electonics come from the same sweatshops in asia. Although everyone recommended a Leveno I'm confident the sound card not a Lenevo. I have the same card in my acer. So much for "name" brands.
It depends, but for most consumer laptops, that is pretty much the case. They manufacture them in China and some big brand like Acer just pastes their logo on them.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: MRO to Ksource on Tue Aug 17 2021 08:52 am
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
that's just stupid.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Re: Homemade ICs
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:26 am
I can't see how technolgy companies could survive that. Everything
from OS's (Windows and Apple OS's) to periphials would take a dump.
What do you mean? Companies not surviving people buying new versions of things, or not buying new versions of things?
I just mean technology needs to improve and it can't improve if it stays th to replace this one before I wanted to. Hopefully technology will improve to
Re: Homemade ICs
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Aug 19 2021 11:35 am
I just mean technology needs to improve and it can't improve if it stay the same. I would love to have my new laptop last 20 years but that's n realistic. In fact, I've had it six months and the speakers stopped working already. So I'm going to have to replace this one before I want to. Hopefully technology will improve to make Laptops last longer. I'm a technichian and don't even understand why the speakers on my 10 year laptop still work yet the 6 month old one crapped out.
I think we probably already have the ability to make quality stuff that last ve, or because they'd rather people buy a new one sooner.
Nightfox
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Write better, less sloppy code.
Re: Homemade ICs
By: Moondog to HusTler on Sun Aug 22 2021 12:12 pm
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
How can computers get better if they're always the same?
Write better, less sloppy code.
Good point! I keep upgrading but even the newer PC's seem slow.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That's fine but I think Minix is more mature at this point :-)
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
by choosing components that barely meet spec, but spread that among hundred of thousands, if not millions of products made in a run, saving
a few pennies looks attractive to a board of directors.
Good point! I keep upgrading but even the newer PC's seem slow.
slow at doing what? and have you tried a ssd?
Re: Homemade ICs
By: MRO to HusTler on Mon Aug 23 2021 10:59 am
Good point! I keep upgrading but even the newer PC's seem slow.
slow at doing what? and have you tried a ssd?
Well, 10 years ago you needed 192 megas of RAM to write a text document with Microsoft Word. Fast forward until the present times and a recent version of Microsoft Word you intend to use for exactly the same purpose won't even
Write better, less sloppy code.
http://sam.zeloof.xyz/second-ic/
Did you guys see this yet? College student built his own array of 100-transistor ICs basically from scratch. Unreal. Imagine a future where you could not just screw around with FPGAs, but even fab your own little chips.
well i want to know specifically what he means by slow. a newer computer shouldnt seem slow.
unless he's getting a cheap walmart laptop with 4 gigs of ram.
Ennev wrote to Ksource <=-
you must have seen that project : MOnSter 6502 http://q.ennev.com/10
I saw one a 6502 like that at VCF a couple of years ago - it wasn't as big
as I'd thought it would be.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Decade perhaps. I'm still running a second-hand Thinkpad T400 that I've maxed out and it's still working fine. Admittedly it doesn't perform that well in the modern web and 1080p video. But for anything else it's fine.
Though `decades' might be stretching it. Though honestly, technology developed so fast these past few decades that it is quite hard to
see a computer lasting for 20 or even 30 years and still be relevant.
But with Moore's Law slowing down and all, maybe we can see the first computers that would last for 20 or 30 years.
Re: Re: Homemade ICs
By: Atroxi to Ksource on Wed Aug 18 2021 20:03:00
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Decade perhaps. I'm still running a second-hand Thinkpad T400 that I've maxed out and it's still working fine. Admittedly it doesn't perform that well in the modern web and 1080p video. But for anything else it's fine.
Video is one area where I'll concede you're totally right. Not just watching video, but recording video, encoding video, editing video. Anything video-related and you just can't use an old machine.
Though `decades' might be stretching it. Though honestly, technology developed so fast these past few decades that it is quite hard to
see a computer lasting for 20 or even 30 years and still be relevant.
But with Moore's Law slowing down and all, maybe we can see the first computers that would last for 20 or 30 years.
Depends on what you mean by "relevant". It wouldn't be able to do everything but it would be able to do a lot.
On a lark, I tried out an old Raspberry Pi 1B (single-core 700MHz ARM,
512MB RAM) and was surprised to find that, for a lot of tasks, I was actuall MORE productive with it than I was with my usual machine, precisely because I couldn't watch any videos or load any extravagant webpages (though boring text-based reference webpages were still fine). For simple webpages, email, development, photo editing, etc., it was at least an order of magnitude over-powered.
Unless it breaks (or I'm moving across the world and need to get rid of some stuff), I've found I can always find a reasonable use for a machine, no matter how old it is.
I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades.
Good point! I keep upgrading but even the newer PC's seem slow.
slow at doing what? and have you tried a ssd?
On 8/23/2021 8:59 AM, MRO wrote:
Good point! I keep upgrading but even the newer PC's seem slow.I dream of a world where computer lifespans are measured in decades. >>
slow at doing what? and have you tried a ssd?
Good luck running an SSD on an old 286.
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