I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas
anymore... innit?
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this
areas anymore... innit?
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
Quoting Digital Man to Fatherpython <=-
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
"a lot" is relative. Compared to modern social media, yeah, not a lot.
But there's plenty of people still around and often just lurking. -- digital man
I've only been using BBSes for around a year. I am normally on DOVE-NET and have noticed that it's a lot quieter now than it was a year ago. A lot of the users leave after a few months of active posting and then return again. I don't really participate in FIDONET chat but there appears to be a fair number of users there also. I have no idea what BBSing was like during its heyday but it must have been pretty awesome.
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around thisareas anymore... innit?
Re: Hey
By: FatherPython to All on Sat Jul 10 2021 02:39 pm
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of peop around this areas anymore... innit?
I've only been using BBSes for around a year. I am normally on DOVE-NET and have noticed that it's a lot quieter now than it was a year ago. A lot of th users leave after a few months of active posting and then return again. I do really participate in FIDONET chat but there appears to be a fair number of users there also. I have no idea what BBSing was like during its heyday but must have been pretty awesome.
number of users there also. I have no idea what BBSing was like during its heyday but it must have been pretty awesome.
I have found Internet activity fluctuates a lot with the time of the year. When Holidays hit people stops wasting their time on the Internet and goes out to get a life, socializing and such.
2020 was a weird case because so much people around the globe got locked up in their homes.
I originally started using BBSes in 1992, and the BBS scene seemed fairly busy. There were many BBSes in my area, and althought I only used the message forums occasionally, they seemed fairly busy.
Nightfox
Re: Hey
By: FatherPython to All on Sat Jul 10 2021 02:39 pm
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
It's the quality that counts. Not the quanity. yuk yuk
|09HusTler
... Bend the facts to fit the conclusion. It's easier that way.
When Holidays hit people stops wasting their time on the Internet and goes out to get a life, socializing and such.
2020 was a weird case because so much people around the globe got locked up in their homes.
I originally started using BBSes in 1992, and the BBS scene seemed
fairly busy. There were many BBSes in my area, and althought I only
used the message forums occasionally, they seemed fairly busy.
I suppose at that time there were many sysops and users still on BBS networks posting away and using IRC, etc... I take it the internet was already popular at this time or did that take off around 1995ish? I don't recall having any real awareness of the internet until around that time which was when I began seeing AOL adverts on the TV and regular consumers were talking about e-mails and websites.
I've just taken the BBS pill. Pretty based, sad there's not a lot of people around this areas anymore... innit?
Hang around the current spots - theres plenty of active BBSers in 2o21!! :P
Active spots? Whats that?!:
Andeddu wrote to Arelor <=-
That makes sense as the traffic during the winter appears to be a lot higher. I generally try to log in 2-3 times per week however there have been times I've went AWOL for several months.
Andeddu wrote to Nightfox <=-
I suppose at that time there were many sysops and users still on BBS networks posting away and using IRC, etc... I take it the internet was already popular at this time or did that take off around 1995ish? I
Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-
When I started using BBSes, I believe it was even before IRC, and the internet hadn't taken off yet. I also wasn't aware of the internet
until about 1995. I think the term "e-mail" had been used for BBS
e-mail though, as BBS users could have a FidoNet-style email address
where you could send people emails.
Rather than using IRC in those days, I sometimes called some local multi-node BBSes and would chat in their multi-user chat rooms. The
users were all local, of course.
number of users there also. I have no idea what BBSing was like during its heyday but it must have been pretty awesome.
I did my BBSing in the late 80s and early 90s, and big federated networks like Fido weren't like they are now. They were there, but
usually only the biggest BBSes did them, and even then activity (sending and receiving messages) was really spotty and would take
several days. All the activity was local, at least where I was.
When I started using BBSes, I believe it was even before IRC, and the internet hadn't taken off yet. I also wasn't aware of the internet until about 1995. I think the term "e-mail" had been used for BBS e-mail though, as BBS users could have a FidoNet-style email address where you could send people emails. They had a similar username@address format, where the address was a FidoNet address instead of an internet domain.
Rather than using IRC in those days, I sometimes called some local multi-node BBSes and would chat in their multi-user chat rooms. The users were all local, of course.
That makes sense as the traffic during the winter appears to be a lot higher. I generally try to log in 2-3 times per week however there have been times I've went AWOL for several months.
I went AOL for about a year, then I ran out of free floppy disks.
'95 was when it really took off. Windows 95 made it easy for people to get onto the internet, and ISP shell accounts became popular. With a shell account, you never (almost) had a busy signal and could go anywhere in the world, instead of dealing with busy single-line BBSes and toll charges.
I didn't really understand the internet back in '95 and would have probably preferred BBSes because the 33.6k modem we had was insufficent for browsing websites. I did enjoy the 56k modem we had in our next computer and indulged in a fair amount of online gaming through the
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I didn't really understand the internet back in '95 and would have probably preferred BBSes because the 33.6k modem we had was insufficent for browsing websites. I did enjoy the 56k modem we had in our next computer and indulged in a fair amount of online gaming through the
I don't remember how fast my modem was when I started using the internet, but if not
56k modems weren't even symmetric - I remember reading that a 56k modem still hadan upload speed of either 28.8k or 33.6k (I don't remember for sure). And you wouldn't
Nightfox
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56k modems weren't even symmetric - I remember reading that a 56k modem st d an upload speed of either 28.8k or 33.6k (I don't remember for sure). A
wouldn't always get a 56k connection speed either.
That sounds really great for things like community spirit... I did watch the original BBS documentary a while ago and saw that the cost to dial into local BBSes was considerably cheaper than mid-long distance calls which would have played a huge part in local BBSes being so heavily populated. I am glad that there is still a fairly substantial population still using this form of communication and wish I had discovered it sooner.
I didn't really understand the internet back in '95 and would have probably preferred BBSes because the 33.6k modem we had was insufficent for browsing websites. I did enjoy the 56k modem we had in our next computer and indulged in a fair amount of online gaming through the original MSN Gaming Network
I didn't really understand the internet back in '95 and would have probably preferred BBSes because the 33.6k modem we had was insufficent for browsing websites. I did enjoy the 56k modem we had in our next computer and indulged in a fair amount of online gaming through the original MSN Gaming Network which I think was called MSN Gaming Zone.
Interesting... I loved Windows 95 mainly because I didn't
have to mess around with DOS which was difficult for 7-8
year old with limited knowledge. Also, as you mentioned,
getting onto the internet was simple and almost idiot-
proof.
I lived out in the country when we had dialup internet &
never saw a connection speed that began with a 5. Most
times I connected in the low 4's (41,200 or 43,200 rings a
bell) with the occasional 33.6 or 38.4 connection. In
those cases I usually disconnected and tried again for a
faster speed.
I remember my first modem for My Commodre 64 - 300 bps... now ... that. was. slow. LOL.
I lived out in the country when we had dialup internet & never saw a connection speed that began with a 5. Most times I connected in the low 4's (41,200 or 43,200 rings a bell) with the occasional 33.6 or 38.4 connection. In those cases I usually disconnected and tried again for a faster speed.
Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-
I don't remember how fast my modem was when I started using the
internet, but if not a 33.6k, it was probably either 28.8k or even
14.4k. I remember web sites being a little slow simetimes, but it
wasn't terrible. Back then, everyone had dialup, so web sites had to
be fairly simple by today's standards.
56k modems weren't even symmetric - I remember reading that a 56k modem still had an upload speed of either 28.8k or 33.6k (I don't remember
for sure). And you wouldn't always get a 56k connection speed either.
Scott Styles wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I remember my first modem for My Commodre 64 - 300 bps... now ... that.
was. slow. LOL.
It depended a lot on the quality of your phone line. I had an ISDN line from work, which is fully digital. When an analog call would come in I'd see quite a few connects in the 48000-56000 range. Removing half of the potential for line noise and quality issues made all the difference.
the original BBS documentary a while ago and saw that the cost to dial into local BBSes was considerably cheaper than mid-long distance calls which would have played a huge part in local BBSes being so heavily
Interesting... I loved Windows 95 mainly because I didn't have to mess around with DOS which was difficult for 7-8 year old with limited knowledge. Also, as you mentioned, getting onto the internet was simple and almost idiot-proof.
Ogg wrote to Warpslide <=-
Ever try the trick to have two modems over two phone calls,
merge to produce a much faster overall experience?
I was able to do that for a while, but then ISPs gradually
disallowed double logins or something.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Scott Styles <=-
You don't need any faster than that - you can't read faster than 300
baud!
Re: Hey
By: Andeddu to Ksource on Wed Jul 14 2021 05:31 pm
the original BBS documentary a while ago and saw that the cost to dial into local BBSes was considerably cheaper than mid-long distance calls which would have played a huge part in local BBSes being so heavily
Not just cheaper, but in many places (in the US, at least), local calls were free.
Nightfox
Not just cheaper, but in many places (in the US, at least), local
calls were free.
i'm pretty sure all local calls were 'free'. you did pay a monthly phone bill.
Interesting, as I've heard phone lines use VOIP these days, which I'd think would be considered digital, and I've heard VOIP has issues preventing fast connections when using analog modems.
Windows 95 could still run DOS programs fairly well, and coudl even be set up to not load the Windows 95 GUI on startup, so you could boot to a command prompt (though I don't think I knew anyone who actually did that).
Back in the day if you wanted T3 speed, some ISPs would have you bond 2
T1 lines together to get 3Mbs. Funny how they did that but denied customers on dialup to do that.
getting onto the internet was simple and almost idiot-
proof.
But look what happened.. a lot of idiots showed up on the
internet scene! :/
:) My first modem was a 2400 baud modem, which is what I started using BBSes with.
Ogg wrote to Andeddu <=-
But look what happened.. a lot of idiots showed up on the
internet scene! :/
Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-
Not just cheaper, but in many places (in the US, at least), local calls were free.
Well that's a given.. I think you know what I mean though, no additional charge. In some countries, I think even local calls had a fee (though I could be wrong).
Re: Hey
By: Ogg to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 07:36:00
getting onto the internet was simple and almost idiot-
proof.
But look what happened.. a lot of idiots showed up on the
internet scene! :/
Not even kidding, this is the reason I'm back on BBSes. There
aren't any weird nerds-only sites any more. Everywhere you
look on the WWW, it's filled with normal people/idiots. I miss
my people.
Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-
Not just cheaper, but in many places (in the US, at least), local calls were free.
For a while they were free. The phone company figured out that only a small portion of users were hogging up the vast majority of the connections.
I remember one year where the phone company said, "no more unlimited local calls." They offered various plans where you paid for a certain number of local calls - costing more as you wanted to do more - and then charged you per call after that.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Oh, for the days when 1.544 mb/sec felt decadent...
I ran the BBS under WIndows95 for some time. I'd run OS/2 in the early '90s and had perennial issues getting internet working on it. I got a new system with more horsepower and, combining WinFOSSIL with one of those DOS tame programs, had pretty good luck - and could use my desktop system for other things while the BBS was running.
Bear in mind, OS/2 ran the BBS surprisingly well on a 486 with 16 MB of RAM, and it took a Pentium/MMX with 48 MB of ram to best it with Windows95. :)
Well that's a given.. I think you know what I mean though, no
additional charge. In some countries, I think even local calls had a
fee (though I could be wrong).
i dunno, why do you think that. it makes sense that local charges are included in the bill and out of area calls are extra charges.
Ksource wrote to Nightfox <=-
:) My first modem was a 2400 baud modem, which is what I started using BBSes with.
Mine, too! I think it was the perfect speed. Fast enough that you never got bored waiting for a screen to load. Slow enough that you still got
a feel/apprecation for what was actually going on.
i'm pretty sure all local calls were 'free'. you did pay a monthly phone bill. ---
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MRO wrote to Ksource <=-
But look what happened.. a lot of idiots showed up on the
internet scene! :/
Not even kidding, this is the reason I'm back on BBSes. There
aren't any weird nerds-only sites any more. Everywhere you
look on the WWW, it's filled with normal people/idiots. I miss
my people.
same amount of idiots are here
Mine, too! I think it was the perfect speed. Fast enough that you never got bored waiting for a screen to load. Slow enough that you still got a feel/apprecation for what was actually going on.
2400 was good on BBS's that had 2400 BPS modems. The sysops were generally aware of the limitations of that speed, so built the menus and other parts of the system around it.
Where it began to be an issue was when some "clever" sysops got themselves 14.4 modems. A lot of them beefed up the ANSIs with a lot of colour changes and animations, and that wound up making some boards unbearably slow at
On Long Island you had either "Flat rate" service or "Message Unit" service. Flat rate was $28.00 per month and got you 120 free calls to your calling area. Any calls outside your area were 10 cents per call not including "Long Distance" calls and charged by the minute. If I chose "Message Unit" I paid a $10.00 line and service fee but all calls were 10 cents each no time limit and could make as many calls as I want. The time of day was also a factor. Calls were cheaper after 8pm. If I had the flat rate service and I went over the 120 calls I got slamed with a connect fee and charged per minute for the call. I made at least 5 modem to modem calls per day so either way my phone bill was $120 - $130 per month. That was a lot in
I don't remember how fast my modem was when I started using the internet, but if not a 33.6k, it was probably either 28.8k or even 14.4k. I remember web sites being a little slow simetimes, but it wasn't terrible. Back then, everyone had dialup, so web sites had to be fairly simple by today's standards.
56k modems weren't even symmetric - I remember reading that a 56k modem still had an upload speed of either 28.8k or 33.6k (I don't remember for sure). And you wouldn't always get a 56k connection speed either.
Nightfox
back then 33.6 was great for websites. you probably didnt get that high of a connection, though.
Get ready for "Monster Truck Madness"!!!
Windows 95 could still run DOS programs fairly well, and coudl even be set up to not load the Windows 95 GUI on startup, so you could boot to a command prompt (though I don't think I knew anyone who actually did that). I was heavily into PC gaming back then, and a lot of the PC games I played were still made for DOS. But I was 15 years old when Windows 95 came out and was fairly proficient with DOS at that point.
Before Windows 95, you could also configure a PC to run Windows 3.1 on startup if you wanted to, though Windows 95 did make things a bit simpler. Windows 95 seemed like a significant upgrade at the time.
Nightfox
I don't think I ever saw a Windows 95 machine boot straight to the command prompt. I am fairly sure a lot of the PC games I had back then were also DOS games but I had already played them to death. The newer titles that blew me away such as Warcraft II was also released on DOS to begin with so I still had to use it.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i'm pretty sure all local calls were 'free'. you did pay a monthly
phone bill.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Well that's a given.. I think you know what I mean though, no
additional charge. In some countries, I think even local calls had a
fee (though I could be wrong).
Ksource wrote to Ogg <=-
Not even kidding, this is the reason I'm back on BBSes. There
aren't any weird nerds-only sites any more. Everywhere you
look on the WWW, it's filled with normal people/idiots. I miss
my people.
Ksource wrote to Nightfox <=-
Mine, too! I think it was the perfect speed. Fast enough that you never got bored waiting for a screen to load. Slow enough that you still got
a feel/apprecation for what was actually going on.
Nightfox wrote to Andeddu <=-
There was a program called Kali that came out around 1995 or 1996
that emulated an IPX/SPX network over the internet so that you
could play multiplayer DOS games on the internet (since many DOS
games were made for Novell IPX/SPX networking). I seem to
remember Kali being available for Windows 9x, even though it was
meant for DOS games. The Windows UI for Kali would let you join
chat rooms & such to talk to other players, and it could launch
many popular DOS games from its UI.
Not even kidding, this is the reason I'm back on BBSes. There
aren't any weird nerds-only sites any more. Everywhere you
look on the WWW, it's filled with normal people/idiots. I miss
my people.
"Ordinary f*cking people -- I hate them..."
--Bud, "Repo Man".
Andeddu wrote to MRO <=-
on at once. The internet didn't feel like the modern internet for me
until around 1999 when my dad picked up a superfast BlueYonder cable connection. No more disconnects or lag in games or having to wait ages
for pictures to appear.
I don't think I ever saw a Windows 95 machine boot straight to the command prompt. I am fairly sure a lot of the PC games I had back then were also DOS games but I had already played them to death. The newer titles that blew me away such as Warcraft II was also released on DOS to begin with so I still had to use it.
You either paid a lower monthly cost and had measured-rate service, where you paid for each outbound call (inbound calls were free)
Or, you paid a flat rate and had free calls in a small local area, slightly higher priced intra-LATA calls (known as local-toll calls) and long distance was handled by a long distance carrier.
I chose measured rate for the BBS, as I'd make a couple of short calls at odd hours and accept inbound calls all day long. Saved me a bit of money.
Ksource wrote to Nightfox <=-
Mine, too! I think it was the perfect speed. Fast enough that you never got bored waiting for a screen to load. Slow enough that you still got a feel/apprecation for what was actually going on.
Perfect for when ANSIs were 24 rows at most. Some of the multi-page scrollers would be torture at 2400 baud!
... Magnify the most difficult detailsthey are torture now.
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Andeddu wrote to Arelor <=-
That makes sense as the traffic during the winter appears to be a lot higher. I generally try to log in 2-3 times per week however there have been times I've went AWOL for several months.
I went AOL for about a year, then I ran out of free floppy disks.
... Move towards the unimportant
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
I remember one year where the phone company said, "no more unlimited local calls." They offered various plans where you paid for a certain number of local calls - costing more as you wanted to do more - and then charged you per call after that.
where is this? never heard of it.
Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Jul 17 2021 02:28 am
I don't think I ever saw a Windows 95 machine boot straight to the command prompt. I am fairly sure a lot of the PC games I had back then were also DOS games but I had already played them to death. The newer titles that blew me away such as Warcraft II was also released on DOS to begin with so I still had to use it.
Oh yes. I was a paid/registered user of Kali and it was GREAT.
Played a lot of Duke Nukem 3D over the internet with it.
So about 1995-ish, my local phone company (this would have been in Flint, Michigan) changed the local call rules. I don't remember how many plans, but but there at least 3 tiers each costing more per month. If you went
There was a program called Kali that came out around 1995 or 1996 that emulated an IPX/SPX network over the internet so that you could play multiplayer DOS games on the internet (since many DOS games were made for Novell IPX/SPX networking). I seem to remember Kali being available for Windows 9x, even though it was meant for DOS games. The Windows UI for Kali would let you join chat rooms & such to talk to other players, and it could launch many popular DOS games from its UI.
Nightfox
I got a Kali registration for my birthday one year. I played a lot of Duke Nukem 3D also, as well as Descent & Descent 2, and Warcraft 2.
Nightfox
HusTler wrote to Dr. What <=-
So about 1995-ish, my local phone company (this would have been in Flint, Michigan) changed the local call rules. I don't remember how many plans, but but there at least 3 tiers each costing more per month. If you went
I saw the documentary by Michael Moore. There was another one called Flint. I didn't think they had telephones. Ha Ha.
MRO wrote to Rockapella <=-
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of
difference in speed between the 2. ---
HusTler wrote to Dr. What <=-
So about 1995-ish, my local phone company (this would have been in Flint, Michigan) changed the local call rules. I don't remember how many plans, but but there at least 3 tiers each costing more per month. If you went
I saw the documentary by Michael Moore. There was another one called Flint. I didn't think they had telephones. Ha Ha.
I saw that documentary while I wsa living in Flint. The Flint residents were not pleased at the way they were portrayed. There were more than a few colorful words said while we left the theater.
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of difference in speed between the 2. ---
Between ANSI and Avatar?
So about 1995-ish, my local phone company (this would have been in
Flint, Michigan) changed the local call rules. I don't remember how
I saw the documentary by Michael Moore. There was another one called
Flint. I didn't think they had telephones. Ha Ha.
I saw that documentary while I wsa living in Flint. The Flint residents were not pleased at the way they were portrayed. There were more than a few colorful words said while we left the theater.
MRO wrote to Rockapella <=-
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of difference in speed between the 2. ---
Between ANSI and Avatar?
no
MRO wrote to Rockapella <=-
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of difference in speed between the 2. ---
Between ANSI and Avatar?
no
Ahh... Thanks for the... eh.. the clarification, then......
I remember my first modem for My Commodre 64 - 300 bps... now ... that. was. slow.
LOL.
I didn't really understand the internet back in '95 and would have probably >> preferred BBSes because the 33.6k modem we had was insufficent for browsing >> websites. I did enjoy the 56k modem we had in our next computer and indulged >> in a fair amount of online gaming through the original MSN Gaming Network
back then 33.6 was great for websites. you probably didnt get that high of a connection, though.
Interesting, as I've heard phone lines use VOIP these days, which
I'd think would be considered digital, and I've heard VOIP has issues preventing fast connections when using analog modems.
the original BBS documentary a while ago and saw that the cost
to dial into local BBSes was considerably cheaper than mid-long
distance calls which would have played a huge part in local BBSes
being so heavily
Not just cheaper, but in many places (in the US, at least), local
calls were free.
Back in the day if you wanted T3 speed, some ISPs would have you bond 2
T1 lines together to get 3Mbs. Funny how they did that but denied customers on dialup to do that.
But look what happened.. a lot of idiots showed up on the
internet scene! :/
Not even kidding, this is the reason I'm back on BBSes. There
aren't any weird nerds-only sites any more. Everywhere you
look on the WWW, it's filled with normal people/idiots. I miss
my people.
Bear in mind, OS/2 ran the BBS surprisingly well on a 486 with 16 MB
of RAM, and it took a Pentium/MMX with 48 MB of ram to best it with
Windows95. :)
Yeah, it seemed OS/2 was better with resources than Windows 9x was.
In some countries, I think even local calls had a fee (though I
could be wrong).
i dunno, why do you think that. it makes sense that local charges
are included in the bill and out of area calls are extra charges.
I seem to remember hearing from people in other countries about it.
But I could be wrong.
Where it began to be an issue was when some "clever" sysops got themselves 14.4
modems. A lot of them beefed up the ANSIs with a lot of colour changes and animations, and that wound up making some boards unbearably slow at 2400. There
were a few smarter sysops that took the time to make speed-aware mods to their
boards, so slower chumps like me wouldn't chew our own arms off trying to just
log in, but most sysops didn't take the time to do so.
Well that's a given.. I think you know what I mean though, no
additional charge. In some countries, I think even local calls had a
fee (though I could be wrong).
The UK was horrendous at that, charging inbound and outbound calls - which helped the adoption of cell phones.
There was a program called Kali that came out around 1995 or 1996
that emulated an IPX/SPX network over the internet so that you
could play multiplayer DOS games on the internet (since many DOS
games were made for Novell IPX/SPX networking). I seem to
remember Kali being available for Windows 9x, even though it was
meant for DOS games. The Windows UI for Kali would let you join
chat rooms & such to talk to other players, and it could launch
many popular DOS games from its UI.
Oh yes. I was a paid/registered user of Kali and it was GREAT.
Played a lot of Duke Nukem 3D over the internet with it.
I saw the documentary by Michael Moore. There was another one called
Flint. I didn't think they had telephones. Ha Ha.
I saw that documentary while I wsa living in Flint. The Flint residents were not pleased at the way they were portrayed. There were more than a few colorful words said while we left the theater.
HusTler wrote to Dr. What <=-
The movie was pretty harsh. What were they trying to accomplish. If I remember correctly the movie blamed the automobile industry for
leaving.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-were
I saw that documentary while I wsa living in Flint. The Flint residents
not pleased at the way they were portrayed. There were more than a few colorful words said while we left the theater.
You might appreciate the documentary, "Michael Moore Hates America"
On 7/18/2021 3:34 PM, Dr. What wrote:
I saw the documentary by Michael Moore. There was another one called
Flint. I didn't think they had telephones. Ha Ha.
I saw that documentary while I wsa living in Flint. The Flint residents were not pleased at the way they were portrayed. There were more than a few colorful words said while we left the theater.
You might appreciate the documentary, "Michael Moore Hates America"
--
Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-
Of course back then people weren't getting 2mb of framework js
libraries, 6-8mb for the page content and another 16-22mb of ad network garbage for a page load.
Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do remember getting a deal on 64MB in early 1997, loading a copy of
NT4 (AMD 5x86) and never really looking back.
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Man, I miss lan parties. I'd get my ass handed to me now, not that I didn't back then.
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
There was a program called Kali that came out around 1995 or 1996
that emulated an IPX/SPX network over the internet so that you
could play multiplayer DOS games on the internet (since many DOS
games were made for Novell IPX/SPX networking). I seem to
remember Kali being available for Windows 9x, even though it was
meant for DOS games. The Windows UI for Kali would let you join
chat rooms & such to talk to other players, and it could launch
many popular DOS games from its UI.
Oh yes. I was a paid/registered user of Kali and it was GREAT.
Played a lot of Duke Nukem 3D over the internet with it.
Met one of my longest/best friends via a roommate that played on
that.
Man, I miss lan parties. I'd get my ass handed to me now, not
that I didn't back then.
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running Renegade though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a mish-mash of
other BBS software. A handful of Synchronet, MajorBBS, TBBS multiline
boards (Garbage Dump, Flatland Center, The Unknown BBS, etc.)
I think that's what Moore was trying to do. Saying that Flint's woes were because of the "evil auto company."
The reality is far more complex. ex:
would do these things that you aren't, so you osw us $11mil." Anyone with an oz
of brains would have said "Let's pretend this conversation didn't happen.", but
There's more, but you get the picture.
When you're paying 5+ figures a month, they'll let you bond connections together. When you're paying $14.95 for POTS dial-up, not so much. ;-)
Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running Renegade though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a mish-mash of other BBS software. A handful of Synchronet, MajorBBS, TBBS multiline boards (Garbage Dump, Flatland Center, The Unknown BBS, etc.)
Luckily, Phoenix (602) had a pretty big local scene (well over 100 local boards). And the nets that were carried were pretty well updated
against the long distance nodes (mostly through California).
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running Renegade though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a mish-mash of other BBS software. A handful of Synchronet, MajorBBS, TBBS multiline boards (Garbage Dump, Flatland Center, The Unknown BBS, etc.)
Back then, the average internet user would wait 15 seconds for a page to load (15seconds.com was a popular blog for developers named for that reason).
Of course back then people weren't getting 2mb of framework js
libraries, 6-8mb for the page content and another 16-22mb of ad network garbage for a page load.
On 7/15/2021 11:57 AM, Nightfox wrote:
Interesting, as I've heard phone lines use VOIP these days, which
I'd think would be considered digital, and I've heard VOIP has issues preventing fast connections when using analog modems.
That's my understanding as well... I was told not to expect better than
a 14.4k connection these days as that's all most support for legacy FAX usage.
--
HusTler wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yea I do. The auto makers wanted to close up shop. Just like thousands
of other companies.
There's no way we could competete at that price. I'm sure the Flint workers were not willing to give up their hourly wage. GM said we'll go elsewhere.
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running
Renegade though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a
It was pretty common for a lot of boards to have the bog-standard look-and-feel without much customization overall, but there were
that while a sysop *could* customize a board to look and feel exactly as they want, few did so, because with that flexibility came a degree of complexity that just added a lot of work to the process, so many sysops just stuck with the out-of-box experience. (*cough*, Synchronet)
HusTler wrote to Rockapella <=-
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
Re: Re: Hey
By: Rockapella to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 20 2021 01:41 pm
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running
Renegade though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a
It was pretty common for a lot of boards to have the bog-standard look-and-feel without much customization overall, but there were
that while a sysop *could* customize a board to look and feel exactly as they want, few did so, because with that flexibility came a degree of complexity that just added a lot of work to the process, so many sysops just stuck with the out-of-box experience. (*cough*, Synchronet)
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
HusTler wrote to Rockapella <=-
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
You kidding? Pretty much every MajorBBS, WildCat!, and PCBoard system I ever logged into back in the day were almost completely identical, save for
On Long Island you had either "Flat rate" service or "Message Unit" service.
2400 was good on BBS's that had 2400 BPS modems. The sysops were generally aware of the limitations of that speed, so built the menus and other parts of the system around it.
Where it began to be an issue was when some "clever" sysops got themselves 14.4 modems. A lot of them beefed up the ANSIs with a lot of colour changes and animations, and that wound up making some boards unbearably slow at
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of difference in speed between the 2.
Re: HeyWfknZZx
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Jul 16 2021 01:07 pm
On Long Island you had either "Flat rate" service or "Message Unit" service.
Ha! I just recently learned all about this topic from Evan Doorbell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9yYQ2OyVhM&list=PLyqP9X1phbaKEb4gScqjZ50ErT
I do. And you can relive the differences between 2.4Kbps (2400) and 14.4Kbpsusing a terminal program that supports
er than non-colorful ones at 2400bps.
2400 was good on BBS's that had 2400 BPS modems. The sysops were generally aware of the limitations of that speed, so built the menus and other parts of the system around it.
Where it began to be an issue was when some "clever" sysops got themselves 14.4 modems. A lot of them beefed up the ANSIs with a lot of colour changes and animations, and that wound up making some boards unbearably slow at
i dont remember anything like that. there's not that much of difference in speed between the 2.
I do. And you can relive the differences between 2.4Kbps (2400) and 14.4Kbps using a terminal program that supports throttling/emulating those old speeds. There's a huge difference in those 2 speeds and you definitely notice how "colorful" ANSIs draw slower than non-colorful ones at 2400bps.
MRO wrote to Rockapella <=-
You kidding? Pretty much every MajorBBS, WildCat!, and PCBoard system I ever logged into back in the day were almost completely identical, save for
yeah wildcat and major bbs, but not renegade.
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
You kidding? Pretty much every MajorBBS, WildCat!, and PCBoard system I ever logged into back in the day were almost completely identical, save
I hated logging into PCBoard and WildCat! boards with a passion, because they were completely soulless and the only really useful thing the one
So yea - they were LAME, but they were certainly plentiful.
and i never saw people run rg because they liked the stock look to it. people ran renegade because it was easy to use and had a great sysop and user interface. i never saw people run renegade stock. ---
I wouldn't know. I only called "Elite" boards that were customized. We called them "Warez" boards. They were mostly modified PCBoard and Renegade boards in the NY area. Once the internet came they all closed shop. The cracking groups moved to ftp and irc sites. Instead of ANSI art now there were jpg's and gif's on the web. Belive it or not some of us are still around running our preferred BBS software.
I wouldn't know. I only called "Elite" boards that were customized. We called them "Warez" boards. They were mostly modified PCBoard and Renegade boards in the NY area. Once the internet came they all closed shop. The cracking groups moved to ftp and irc sites. Instead of ANSI art now there were jpg's and gif's on the web. Belive it or not some of us are still around running our preferred BBS software.
I wouldn't know. I only called "Elite" boards that were customized. We called them "Warez" boards. They were mostly modified PCBoard and Renegade boards in the NY area. Once the internet came they all closed shop. The cracking groups moved to ftp and irc sites. Instead of ANSI art now there were jpg's and gif's on the web. Belive it or not some of us are still around running our preferred BBS software.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I miss those days sometimes. When HTML pages were so much simpler.
Now we have all that stuff added on, and with ads, and links to JS libraries and other resources might not even be on the same server as
the HTML page..
HusTler wrote to Rockapella <=-
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
Funny thing, when I ran my own BBS in the 90s, I got a few users who
would email me saying they heard my BBS was a warez BBS and asking how
to gain access to the warez sections. I was always confused and didn't know where they heard that, and would tell them my BBS isn't a warez
BBS. Later I thought they might have been law enforcement checking for warez BBSes to crack down on.
I miss text-only emails, POP3, no SPAM, Majordomo email lists and Eudora.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
I finally made an "Elite Files" option on my menu that dropped carrier
on the caller.
Here in the Hartford, CT area, the smaller boards ran Telegard
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a while, I remember Eudora Lite changing a bit, and then I think they wanted you to pay for some of its features that were in the Lite version, or maybe it became ad-supported or something.
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What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
Lots of people did, usually people who were focused on messages. A ton of Fido boards back in the 90s had stock menus and no ANSIs.
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a while, I remember Eudora Lite changing a bit, and then I think they wanted you to pay for some of its features that were in the Lite version, or maybe it became ad-supported or something.. I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird (which was able to import my Eudora email) and never looked back. These days though, I tend to use web interfaces for email, since I can access my email anywhere that way.
Re: Re: Hey
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 21 2021 06:40 am
I miss text-only emails, POP3, no SPAM, Majordomo email lists and Eudora.
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a while, I remember Eudora Lite changing a bit, and then I think they wanted you to pay for some of its features that were in the Lite version, or maybe it became ad-supported or something.. I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird (which was able to import my Eudora email) and never looked back. These days though, I tend to use web interfaces for email, since I can access my email anywhere that way.
Nightfox
I finally made an "Elite Files" option on my menu that dropped carrier on the caller.
Lots of people did, usually people who were focused on messages. A ton of Fido boards back in the 90s had stock menus and no ANSIs.
..Elite boards were tough to get on. You had to be referred
by someone else. You also had to upload a 0-30day warez. I
didn't bother with all the other boards unless it was a
multichat BBS with plenty of porn. lol
..I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird (which was able to
import my Eudora email) and never looked back. These days
though, I tend to use web interfaces for email, since I can
access my email anywhere that way.
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a
memory hog. i never liked the thing. i either use claws or
regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but
i just cant deal with the freezups. -+-
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a
Nightfox
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a memory hog. i never liked the thing. i either use claws or regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but i just cant deal with the freezups. ---
Lots of people did, usually people who were focused on messages. A ton of Fido boards back in the 90s had stock menus and no ANSIs.
I remember that. Several in my area, usually run by oranizations and
clubs, were like that. They usually ran Opus. :) A few ran CNET.
I have, at times, been tempted to try to set up an Opus instance and see if I can get it working over the net.
Re: Re: Hey
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 25 2021 03:11 am
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a
Nightfox
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a memory hog. i never liked the thing. i either use claws or regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but i just cant deal with the freezups. ---
You're right. I also have trouble with Thunderbird. Sylpheed is my go to email client. Claws won't run right on my Lubuntu setup.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox <=-
I miss text-only emails, POP3, no SPAM, Majordomo email lists and
Eudora.
Quoting Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a while, I remember Eudora Lite changing a bit, and then I think they
wanted you to pay for some of its features that were in the Lite
version, or maybe it became ad-supported or something.. I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird (which was able to import my Eudora email) and
never looked back. These days though, I tend to use web interfaces
for email, since I can access my email anywhere that way.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Hey
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 24 2021 11:29 am
Re: Re: Hey
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 21 2021 06:40 am
I miss text-only emails, POP3, no SPAM, Majordomo email lists and Eudora.
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a while, I remember Eudor
Lite changing a bit, and then I think they wanted you to pay for some of its features that we
in the Lite version, or maybe it became ad-supported or something.. I switched to Mozilla
Thunderbird (which was able to import my Eudora email) and never looked back. These days
though, I tend to use web interfaces for email, since I can access my email anywhere that way
Nightfox
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a memory hog. i never liked the thing. i
either use claws or regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but i just cant deal
with the freezups.
Re: Re: Hey
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Jul 25 2021 12:09 pm
Re: Re: Hey
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 25 2021 03:11 am
I used to use Eudora Lite when I started using the internet. After a
Nightfox
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a memory hog. i never liked the
thing. i either use claws or regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but
just cant deal with the freezups. ---
You're right. I also have trouble with Thunderbird. Sylpheed is my go to email client. Cla
won't run right on my Lubuntu setup.
i'll check that out. i was using poppeeper, which i still like. The author wants to really mak
money off of it though, and you have to pay for upgrades sometimes. it works with webmail and i
and it's a windows only program.
claws, i just cant get into. it has a few quirks.
I used to use Eudora too. That was a great email program. What I miss most is the lack of innovation we have in new software because everyone
just uses what comes by default on their OS. :-(
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to HusTler <=-
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
Lots of people did, usually people who were focused on messages. A ton
of Fido boards back in the 90s had stock menus and no ANSIs.
later bought their RBBS-based PC, turn-key. It included a 5-
disc cartridge/changer loaded with a couple of porn CDs and
some CDs with shareware.
It was kind of fun restricting the porn to paying users.
the BBSes they've encountered and mine was in the mix. I pretty
much knew then what their interests were. ;)
Quoting Nightfox to Elf <=-
Are you saying there was a lack of innovation in old software that you miss? Or you mean you miss the innovation in other software?
Not everyone just uses what's included in their OS. There's still
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I didn't know you were in Hartford -- I worked for a company that had a call center out there, took a couple of trips out that way back in the late 2000s.
Rockapella wrote to HusTler <=-
HusTler wrote to Rockapella <=-
What a crock of shit. Nobody used a "stock" BBS. It's LAME.
You kidding? Pretty much every MajorBBS, WildCat!, and PCBoard system I ever logged into back in the day were almost completely identical, save for *maybe* the list of message areas and door games they would offer,
and even then, most of the most popular doors were the same (LORD,
TW2002, BRE on most boards, MajorMUD, TLord, TW2002, Farwest Trivia,
and a couple others on MajorBBS boards), and most of the FTN networks supported were the same (Fido, WorldNet, IMEx, and maybe a couple of
other smaller, regional ones).
I hated logging into PCBoard and WildCat! boards with a passion,
because they were completely soulless and the only really useful thing
the one huge WildCat! board in my area offered were large file areas. Outside of that, I didn't bother to really visit those boards often at all.
So yea - they were LAME, but they were certainly plentiful.
I remember that. Several in my area, usually run by oranizations and clubs, were like that. They usually ran Opus. :) A few ran CNET.
in the midwest bbses i called, only the stock bbses with no activity were untou
hed. bbses with callers had custom menus. they made it a good experience for t
e users.
Elf wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Quoting Nightfox to Elf <=-
Are you saying there was a lack of innovation in old software that you miss? Or you mean you miss the innovation in other software?
Not everyone just uses what's included in their OS. There's still
I just think there would be MORE options for email applications if Microsoft hadn't bundled it with the OS. But, yeah, now that you
mention the move from IE to Firefox and Chrome even though IE was
bundled . . . Yeah. Makes sense. I think the lack of more email
programs has more to do with people using webmail or the mail apps on their phone . . . yeah. Forget it. LOL The market is delivering what customers are asking for.
Elf wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Quoting Nightfox to Elf <=-
Are you saying there was a lack of innovation in old software that you miss? Or you mean you miss the innovation in other software?
Not everyone just uses what's included in their OS. There's still
I just think there would be MORE options for email applications if Microsoft hadn't bundled it with the OS. But, yeah, now that you mention the move from IE to Firefox and Chrome even though IE was bundled . . . Yeah. Makes sense. I think the lack of more email programs has more to do with people using webmail or the mail apps on their phone . . . yeah. Forget it. LOL The market is delivering what customers are asking for.
Well, outside intranet driven (mostly) corporate mailboxes, the problem with all other mailboxes uses to enable internet communication is that e-mail is mostly a destination for scam/spam. I can't recall using e-mail privately fo long while.
Various messaging systems that are productized and branded as various social networks won over protocolized technologies that could consume different backend and front-end apps to provide end-to-end experience.
That was different in the past. E-mail was RFC based standard and you could have number of competing server and client solutions that were implementing now.
E-mail today is commercial service rather than technology, vulnerable to phishing and other crap stuff that is effectively killing any sense of using t.
It only defends itself as intranet solution withing the boundaries of single organization, used for internal communication.
That narrows the possible innovation just to few use cases and limits the target audience that enjoys the experience, very much
/h1
I don't know, I keep hearing that Email is dead, yet we use Email more and more for corporate communication every day.
I mean, my boss takes his reports via Internet accessible emailñ, bills are
collected or sent out via email, quotes and budgets are delivered via
email...
Re: Re: Hey
By: Arelor to hollowone on Thu Jul 29 2021 02:55 am
I don't know, I keep hearing that Email is dead, yet we use Email more an more for corporate communication every day.
I mean, my boss takes his reports via Internet accessible email¤, bills
collected or sent out via email, quotes and budgets are delivered via
email...
The e-mail inbox for the organisation I work for is fine because it's not plagued by spam as it's used for work purposes only. The corporate mailbox I use to communicate with others, absolutely. My own personal e-mail inbox, however, is a travesty... I would say 99% of all the e-mails I recieve is sp from Netflix, PlayStation, PayPal, Amazon, eBay, Disney, Steam, Apple, Just and my bank and gym along with a few tech sites I previously purchased computers from who are still trying to sell me crap. No genuine people have tried to contact me via my personal e-mail. It is not used as a means of communication for me, at least not since around 2012.
The e-mail inbox for the organisation I work for is fine because it's not plagued by spam as it's used for work purposes only. The corporate mailbox I use to communicate with others, absolutely. My own personal e-mail inbox, however, is a travesty... I would say 99% of all the e-mails I recieve is sp from Netflix, PlayStation, PayPal, Amazon, eBay, Disney, Steam, Apple, Just and my bank and gym along with a few tech sites I previously purchased computers from who are still trying to sell me crap. No genuine people have tried to contact me via my personal e-mail. It is not used as a means of communication for me, at least not since around 2012.
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite often.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for registering to services that may spam me in the future. In any case, that is what anti-spam filters are for, right?
I don't know, I keep hearing that Email is dead, yet we use
Email more and more for corporate communication every day.
Spam sucks, but I think nowadays it is worse in web based
services than on email addresses I control these days. My
web services are hit by as many spambots as legit users
these days, and captchas are not a solution because they
screw the users more than the botmasters. With email, there
are lots of tools developed for fighting this problem.
Solutions for fighting web spam seem either inmature in
comparison, or make you dependant on third parties to a
high degree.
... My own personal e-mail inbox, however, is a travesty...
I would say 99% of all the e-mails I recieve is sp from
Netflix, PlayStation, PayPal, Amazon, eBay, Disney, Steam,
Apple, Just and my bank and gym along with a few tech sites
I previously purchased computers from who are still trying
to sell me crap. No genuine people have tried to contact me
via my personal e-mail. It is not used as a means of
communication for me, at least not since around 2012.
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite
often.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for
registering to services that may spam me in the future. In
any case, that is what anti-spam filters are for, right?
No genuine people have tried to contact me via my personal
e-mail. It is not used as a means of communication for me,
at least not since around 2012.
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite often.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for registering to service that may spam me in the future. In any case, that is what anti-spam filte are for, right?
i'm not sure what they are for. anytime someone signs up to my stuff with i i block them. i dont think they're very effective. it's best to just setup filters in your client or service.
Disposable addresses are not something I've ever tried.
Generally, after I make an online purchase, I *want*
confirmations to arrive at my convenient @kolico.ca or
@ashlies.ca accounts. The idea of managing additional throw-
away accounts (and the login names and passwords that they
would require) sounds overwhelming to me.
Hello Arelor!
** On Thursday 29.07.21 - 16:34, Arelor wrote to Andeddu:
... My own personal e-mail inbox, however, is a travesty...
I would say 99% of all the e-mails I recieve is sp from
Netflix, PlayStation, PayPal, Amazon, eBay, Disney, Steam,
Apple, Just and my bank and gym along with a few tech sites
I previously purchased computers from who are still trying
to sell me crap. No genuine people have tried to contact me
via my personal e-mail. It is not used as a means of
communication for me, at least not since around 2012.
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite
often.
So far, Protonmail is nice and spam-free. But I would never
use my @protonmail address when making purchases online.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for
registering to services that may spam me in the future. In
any case, that is what anti-spam filters are for, right?
Disposable addresses are not something I've ever tried.
Generally, after I make an online purchase, I *want*
confirmations to arrive at my convenient @kolico.ca or
@ashlies.ca accounts. The idea of managing additional throw-
away accounts (and the login names and passwords that they
would require) sounds overwhelming to me.
But I hate it when I sometimes get unsolicited emails that are
likely the result of a previous vendor selling my email address
Hello Andeddu!
** On Thursday 29.07.21 - 10:40, Andeddu wrote to Arelor:
No genuine people have tried to contact me via my personal
e-mail. It is not used as a means of communication for me,
at least not since around 2012.
What do your genuine people use? <g>
Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-
@MSGID: <61036FD8.55348.dove-gen@capitolcityonline.net>
@REPLY: <61031EFA.23789.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
Hello Arelor!
** On Thursday 29.07.21 - 16:34, Arelor wrote to Andeddu:
... My own personal e-mail inbox, however, is a travesty...
I would say 99% of all the e-mails I recieve is sp from
Netflix, PlayStation, PayPal, Amazon, eBay, Disney, Steam,
Apple, Just and my bank and gym along with a few tech sites
I previously purchased computers from who are still trying
to sell me crap. No genuine people have tried to contact me
via my personal e-mail. It is not used as a means of
communication for me, at least not since around 2012.
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite
often.
So far, Protonmail is nice and spam-free. But I would never
use my @protonmail address when making purchases online.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for
registering to services that may spam me in the future. In
any case, that is what anti-spam filters are for, right?
Disposable addresses are not something I've ever tried.
Generally, after I make an online purchase, I *want*
confirmations to arrive at my convenient @kolico.ca or
@ashlies.ca accounts. The idea of managing additional throw-
away accounts (and the login names and passwords that they
would require) sounds overwhelming to me.
But I hate it when I sometimes get unsolicited emails that are
likely the result of a previous vendor selling my email address
to companies, and they expect me to "Click HERE if you wish to
unsubscribe from these announcements."
At my shop, the installed Outlook email (as part of MS Office)
manages the spam very well with a "mark this sender as blocked"
and it puts those emails in a Junk folder.
At home, I use Mailwasher to "preview" the mail sitting at the
server-side at all my accounts; if there is something that
looks like spam, I can just delete it at the server before I
poll to get the rest of the email sitting there.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
@MSGID: <60FD944F.55299.dove-gen@capitolcityonline.net>
@REPLY: <60FD1CCF.5428.dove-gen@bbses.info>
Hello MRO!
** On Sunday 25.07.21 - 03:11, MRO wrote to Nightfox:
..I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird (which was able to
import my Eudora email) and never looked back. These days
though, I tend to use web interfaces for email, since I can
access my email anywhere that way.
i have problems with thunderbird locking up and being a
memory hog. i never liked the thing. i either use claws or
regular web interfaces now. i'd like to use thunderbird but
i just cant deal with the freezups. -+-
I use TB on a modest XP, T60 Thinkpad. No problems at all.
Mind you, I still use 3.0.11. ;) Good enough. I don't see
why I need to "upgrade" when the basic email and nntp works
very well.
However... I *did* eventually encounter a message-base
corruption with a recent TB on my Win7 pc. I deleted it.
But the TB 3.0.11 is operating smooth as butter.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I have, at times, been tempted to try to set up an Opus instance and
see if I can get it working over the net.
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
I am not a big fan of anti-spam filters, but my experience is that
regular bayesian filters work very well.
Yep - me included. While I certainly wasn't a fan of the stock look of some boards, I still called them because they offered something that I was interested in. The huge WildCat! board I would call had the biggest file area in the region, and there was a MajorBBS and Maximus board (also both more or less stock) that had very active message and conference areas.
i like to know who's doing that so i use email aliases to my synchronet bbs.
jasonneweggaccount@mybbs.com
Well, I use email to communicate with actual people quite often.
I take good care of using disposable addresses for registering to services that may spam me in the future. In any case, that is what anti-spam filters are for, right?
No genuine people have tried to contact me via my personal
e-mail. It is not used as a means of communication for me,
at least not since around 2012.
What do your genuine people use? <g>
Re: E-Mail
By: MRO to Ogg on Fri Jul 30 2021 08:23 am
i like to know who's doing that so i use email aliases to my synchronet bbs.
jasonneweggaccount@mybbs.com
Or just use the built-in mail tagging system, no alias need be created: https://wiki.synchro.net/server:mail#special_addresses
others for leisure via e-mail. It's obviously still used for that purpose by some people such as yourself but WhatsApp is the main method now from my own observations and experience.
I used to send e-mails to my ex back in the earlier days from 2005-12 but that was probably because smart phone IMs weren't that big around then.
What do your genuine people use? <g>
We speak on WhatsApp, lol. My personal e-mail account is there to recieve junk mail from business, adverts, etc... and to sign up to sites and services along with a means to reset my password whenever I am blocked from
I use TB on a modest XP, T60 Thinkpad. No problems at all.
Mind you, I still use 3.0.11. ;) Good enough. [...]
But the TB 3.0.11 is operating smooth as butter.
Thunderbird screwed up when they implemented their own GPG
functionality, which doesn't use your main GPG keyring.
Thunderbird needs you to import your keys, which was the
last straw for me.
I don't want to maintain two copies of my GPG keys, so I
moved to Claws Mail for GPG support. Being lighter was a
bonus too.
The way disposable addresses work is you generate a random
one that will self-destruct in a couple of days at most.
They usually work without proper credentials. Rest assured
you will get your comfirmation mails if you need them. Once
you are done, the emaill address just implodes.
Many regular email providers (such as Startmail) give you
the option of generating disposable addresses from your
main account.
Also, many services try to prevent you from using
disposable addresses. That is a red flag that they intend
to spam the hell out of you.
Or just use the built-in mail tagging system, no alias
need be created: https://wiki.synchro.net/
server:mail#special_addresses
...but WhatsApp is the main method now from my own
observations and experience.
ignores the string of chars between the + and the @ and that
email will reach your account. You can create special filters
that will park those messages in a separate folder.
yourname+help@gmail.com
yourname+payments@gmail.com
yourname+info@gmail.com
yeah but a lot of places reject email addresses like that.
you can also put periods in your address.
Re: E-Mail
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Jul 31 2021 09:48 am
yeah but a lot of places reject email addresses like that.
you can also put periods in your address.
Recently I heard that Gmail ignores periods in the username in email addresses. You can use the periods, but it's the same as the email address without the periods. I just tested this by sending an email to myself without the periods in my email address, and it worked.
Hello Digital Man!
** On Friday 30.07.21 - 13:12, Digital Man wrote to MRO:
Or just use the built-in mail tagging system, no alias
need be created: https://wiki.synchro.net/ server:mail#special_addresses
Sounds like that is not unlike what gmail allows with the +
sign in the name field. For instance, if the standard gmail
address is yourname@gmail.com, you can use any version of it
that looks like yourname+anyvalidcharhere@gmail.com and gmail
ignores the string of chars between the + and the @ and that
email will reach your account. You can create special filters
that will park those messages in a separate folder.
yourname+help@gmail.com
yourname+payments@gmail.com
yourname+info@gmail.com
But instead of managing new filters for every new instance of "+anyvalidcharhere", I'd rather create a unique email address
under my own domains and then simply trash them when I don't
need them anymore.
Re: E-Mail
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Jul 31 2021 09:48 am
yeah but a lot of places reject email addresses like that.
you can also put periods in your address.
Recently I heard that Gmail ignores periods in the username in email addresses. You can use the periods, but it's the same as the email address without the periods. I just tested this by sending an email to myself without the periods in my email address, and it worked.
I went AOL for about a year, then I ran out of free floppy disks.
into coffee shops and laundromats. That was a lot of fun, and you'd chat with people who'd never heard of BBSes or modems (or owned a computer for that matter)My first time with bbsing was a bbs 30-40 miles away and i generated a
I still remember Monster Truck Madness 1 and 2... both very big games on MSN Gaming Zone back in the day. I was more of an Age of Empires II player but I did do a little branching out.I wish Microsoft ported Monster Truck Madness to the xbox.
you can also put periods in your address.
Recently I heard that Gmail ignores periods in the username in email addresses. You can use the periods, but it's the same as the email address without the periods. I just tested this by sending an email to myself without the periods in my email address, and it worked.
Recently I heard that Gmail ignores periods in the username in
email addresses. You can use the periods, but it's the same as the
email address without the periods. I just tested this by sending an
email to myself without the periods in my email address, and it
worked.
So what are you saying? Only the @ sign is needed? If my address is hustler@bbs.synchro.net I could use hustler@bbssynchronet??
It's really gone downhill. We've had more shootings/killings in the
first half of this year than we had in half a decade. They don't
prosecute anyone 17 or under now and the high schoolers are stealing
cars left and right, killing people, and not doing a days worth of jail time. About the only good thing is our covid rate is under 2%.
Well, outside intranet driven (mostly) corporate mailboxes, the problem with all other mailboxes uses to enable internet communication is that e-mail is mostly a destination for scam/spam. I can't recall using
e-mail privately for a long while.
So what are you saying? Only the @ sign is needed? If my address is hustler@bbs
.synchro.net I could use hustler@bbssynchronet??
djatropine wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Ok..I'm going to probably get a lot of haters for this. Last
year I learned via a insurance salesman that the tests were NOT
RELIABLE.
The only reason a lot of people got "tested" were because of
employers, or other reasons. The tests were not able to tell if
someone was sick. It's a MONEY game.
The whole ordeal was the ancient sales which consists of:
Tell people they're sick
and SELL&Market the people's health back to them.
I've vaccinated myself once a month (Sorry , vaccination does
not already mean a injection.
Advice: Invest stock in certain nasal spray companies.
Once the demand rises you will probably see "covid vaccines' in
any form you can dream of for SALE in your local convenience
store once the demand for the popular ones come to a end.
Recently I heard that Gmail ignores periods in the username in
email addresses. You can use the periods, but it's the same as the
email address without the periods. I just tested this by sending an
email to myself without the periods in my email address, and it
worked.
So what are you saying? Only the @ sign is needed? If my address is hustler@bbs.synchro.net I could use hustler@bbssynchronet??
I'm pretty sure it's only true before the @, not after. bbs.synchro.net is the system address, and bbs.synchro.net is not equivalent to bbssynchronet.
Right. therapist@bbs.synchro.net and the.rapist@bbs.synchro.net would be equivalent, but not therapist@bbssynchronet.
djatropine wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Ok..I'm going to probably get a lot of haters for this. Last year
I learned via a insurance salesman that the tests were NOT RELIABLE.
The only reason a lot of people got "tested" were because of employers,
or other reasons. The tests were not able to tell if someone was sick. It's a MONEY game.
Ok..I'm going to probably get a lot of haters for this. Last year
I learned via a insurance salesman that the tests were NOT RELIABLE.
Dumas Walker wrote to DJATROPINE <=-
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents of people
testing positive and immediately taking a second test that was
negative.
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents
of people testing positive and immediately taking a
second test that was negative.
I have a ham friend in Indiana and he took 1 test last
week and it was negative, took another a few days later
and it showed positive. This whole thing was too rushed.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Elon Musk participated in some tests months ago. He insisted on
4 samples - at the SAME TIME. 2 of the test results were
positive, 2 were negative.
Dumas Walker wrote to DJATROPINE <=-
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents of people testing positive and immediately taking a second test that was
negative.
I have a ham friend in Indiana and he took 1 test last week and it was negative, took another a few days later and it showed positive. This whole thing was too rushed.
Elon Musk participated in some tests months ago. He insisted on
4 samples - at the SAME TIME. 2 of the test results were
positive, 2 were negative.
Hello Brian Rogers!
** On Saturday 07.08.21 - 08:13, Brian Rogers wrote to Dumas Walker:
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents
of people testing positive and immediately taking a
second test that was negative.
I have a ham friend in Indiana and he took 1 test last
week and it was negative, took another a few days later
and it showed positive. This whole thing was too rushed.
Elon Musk participated in some tests months ago. He insisted on
4 samples - at the SAME TIME. 2 of the test results were
positive, 2 were negative.
I also don't trust any company that mandates covid vaccination. They aren't mandating small pox, polio, or any other vaccination. They aren't
I thought at least some of those (such as polio) have been pretty much wiped out, so a vaccination wouldn't necessarily be needed anymore.
I thought at least some of those (such as polio) have been pretty much wiped out, so a vaccination wouldn't necessarily be needed anymore.
Nightfox
Re: Hey
By: Zombie Mambo to Ogg on Mon Aug 09 2021 01:45 pm
I also don't trust any company that mandates covid vaccination. They aren't mandating small pox, polio, or any other vaccination. They aren't
I thought at least some of those (such as polio) have been pretty much wiped out, so a vaccination wouldn't necessarily be needed anymore.
Re: Hey
By: Zombie Mambo to Ogg on Mon Aug 09 2021 01:45 pm
I also don't trust any company that mandates covid vaccination. They aren't mandating small pox, polio, or any other vaccination. They aren'
I thought at least some of those (such as polio) have been pretty much wiped out, so a vaccination wouldn't necessarily be needed anymore.
Nightfox
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
My state is seeing numbers now that would have got everything shut down last year. Now all they say is "you have to wear a mask in a
government building, and we want you to wear them elsewhere, but..."
They seem to be more in a rush towards normalcy now that someone else
is President.
Re: Hey
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 02:52 am
That makes sense as the traffic during the winter appears to be a lot higher. I generally try to log in 2-3 times per week however there have been times I've went AWOL for several months.
Re: Hey
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 02:52 am
2020 was a weird case because so much people around the globe got locked up in their homes.
yeah and still people didnt call bbses.
Andeddu wrote to Nightfox <=-
I suppose at that time there were many sysops and users still on BBS networks posting away and using IRC, etc... I take it the internet was already popular at this time or did that take off around 1995ish? I
'95 was when it really took off. Windows 95 made it easy for people to get onto the internet, and ISP shell accounts became popular. With a shell account, you never (almost) had a busy signal and could go anywhere in the world, instead of dealing with busy single-line BBSes and toll charges.
would have played a huge part in local BBSes being so heavily populated. I am glad that there is still a fairly substantial population still using this form of communication and wish I had discovered it sooner.
My state is seeing numbers now that would have got everything shut down last year. Now all they say is "you have to wear a mask in a
government building, and we want you to wear them elsewhere, but..." They seem to be more in a rush towards normalcy now that someone else
is President.
And it's going to cost you over 1 Trillion dollars for that as well, plus detectors in cars, and other constitutional rights TOTALLY GONE. All those families who had young ones die to preserve these rights ignored.
Re: Hey
By: MRO to Arelor on Mon Jul 12 2021 09:33 am
Re: Hey
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 02:52 am
2020 was a weird case because so much people around the globe got locked up in their homes.
yeah and still people didnt call bbses.
I got a lot of my preliminary research into the medium done and didn't have an easy way to check my posts for quite a long time. Now I do.
Vlk-451 wrote to Andeddu <=-
would have played a huge part in local BBSes being so heavily populated. I am glad that there is still a fairly substantial population still using this form of communication and wish I had discovered it sooner.
Likewise. I would love to try accessing a few boards from
payphones using an acoustic coupler modem and an old terminal
like those tandy 100's or whatever, just for shits and giggles.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
Our governor, since I posted that, has signed an order for a mask
mandate in K-12 schools (and maybe younger).
We could use people with sense like yours in the FIDO Politics echo.
:)
Was there a way people avoid toll charges for BBS connection calls back in the day, or were there power users who blew every cent they owned being big baller on the net 24/7?
Likewise. I would love to try accessing a few boards from
payphones using an acoustic coupler modem and an old terminal
like those tandy 100's or whatever, just for shits and giggles.
What's stopping you?
Our governor, since I posted that, has signed an order for a mask mandate in K-12 schools (and maybe younger).
One thing I'll say is that at least its your state governor (hopefully NOT the love gov <G>). We forgot how our founding fathers structured government: The lowest denomination has the highest rule
So with that in mind, your state should "trump" Uncle Joe's illegal rulings.
You might appreciate the documentary, "Michael Moore Hates America"
You lost me at "Michael Moore". 8)
I do remember getting a deal on 64MB in early 1997, loading a copy of
NT4 (AMD 5x86) and never really looking back.
So that's where all the RAM went!
I've been on the opposite end, I was running 8 GB of RAM on a Core 2 Duo; ended up buying a i7 with 16GB of RAM when I didn't want to bother with RAID that wasn't fully supported by Windows 10 and I had to re-install Windows.
I'll buy something a little beefier next year, it'll be about time to
upgrade my wife's desktop. She gets my system, hers becomes the new BBS.
It's a pattern. :)
Man, I miss lan parties. I'd get my ass handed to me now, not that I
didn't back then.
I tried jumping onto a Quake 1 multiplayer game, and I'd forgotten how small the levels were. Had to run non-stop to keep alive, and didn't have time to shoot!
I never did LAN parties as such, but I worked for a company on an IPX network, and after closing we'd go to the customer service area, hop on a 6 person conference call and do co-operative DOOM until early morning.
Later on, different company, and we did the same thing playing Quake. Turned out that the "network" guy wired the IT department office into the server subnet and we brought the company network down a couple of nights, until
they figured out what was going on.
This was back in the 10 mbit, sorta shared ethernet days - departments had a shared hub arrangement with a switch working as a backbone.
Met one of my longest/best friends via a roommate that played on
that.
Cool. It was a great piece of software and seemed magical at that time, being able to play multiplayer games on the internet. For me this was
in the mid/late 90's.
Man, I miss lan parties. I'd get my ass handed to me now, not
that I didn't back then.
I used to be able to hold my own in Duke/Doom/Quake, and likely still
could. At least I like to think so. ;-)
In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running Renegade
though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a mish-mash of
other BBS software. A handful of Synchronet, MajorBBS, TBBS multiline
boards (Garbage Dump, Flatland Center, The Unknown BBS, etc.)
GT Power's original author, Paul Meiners, would have been running his
board, the Programmer's Workshop West, in the Phoenix area during that time.
When you're paying 5+ figures a month, they'll let you bond connections
together. When you're paying $14.95 for POTS dial-up, not so much. ;-)
That 5+ figure seems quite excessive. Where I'm at you could do it for
around 1K/month back in the day. Now you could do it for much less if you didn't want to go fibre or cable.
Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Tr> In the early-mid 90's about half the local boards were running Renegade
Tr> though. There were too many stock Wildcat boards, and a mish-mash of
Tr> other BBS software. A handful of Synchronet, MajorBBS, TBBS multiline
Tr> boards (Garbage Dump, Flatland Center, The Unknown BBS, etc.)
Renegade had a unique look that a lot of sysops (especially younger sysops of the time) liked, and even the "stock" look and feel seemed to appeal to people
who wanted to have a more unique/"leet" (ugh!) look to their boards.
It was pretty common for a lot of boards to have the bog-standard look-and-feel
without much customization overall, but there were definitely some BBS programs
where it was much more common than others. Maximus, MajorBBS, PCBoard, and WildCat! all come top of mind as the programs that, if a board was running it,
you knew exactly how *everything* was going to look (minus *maybe* a menu or two where the sysop put up an ANSI screen).
Interestingly, it was always the "sooper-dooper flexible program-to- the-nines" packages that seemed to have this feature (Synchronet,
nowadays, also being in that list). It seemed that while a sysop
*could* customize a board to look and feel exactly as they want, few
did so, because with that flexibility came a degree of complexity that
just added a lot of work to the process, so many sysops just stuck
with the out-of-box experience. (*cough*, Synchronet)
Ironically, some of the packages that had less flexibility (but which
could still be configured rather easily) seemed to be the ones where
you saw more unique boards. RemoteAccess was one that was very popular
in my area, and a lot of sysops had some pretty niftily-customized RA systems.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Likewise. I would love to try accessing a few boards from
payphones using an acoustic coupler modem and an old terminal
like those tandy 100's or whatever, just for shits and giggles.
What's stopping you?
A lack of pay phones could havee something to do with it, and
perhaps rarity & cost of old terminals, and few BBSes with actual
phone line modems set up to dial into.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
No, it is not the Luv Guv. He's been out of office for quite a while. Sadly, most of the governors that have followed him have been worse
rather than better. Looking back now, he was not a bad one. :)
Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I may have been thinking of a T1, even then definitely a much higher
price point for bonded lines.
Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Was there a way people avoid toll charges for BBS connection calls back
in the day, or were there power users who blew every cent they owned
being big baller on the net 24/7?
Vlk-451 wrote to Andeddu <=-
Likewise. I would love to try accessing a few boards from payphones
using an acoustic coupler modem and an old terminal like those tandy
100's or whatever, just for shits and giggles.
When it comes to politics in general no matter party, careful what you wish for because typically the next to hold a seat will be worse than who was previously there. It's a sad state when we try not to vote for who'd do the best job, but we vote for who we think will do the least harm.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
The Luv Guv was followed by a Republican who came in with high hoped
but turned out to be a total tool.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
You might appreciate the documentary, "Michael Moore Hates America"
You lost me at "Michael Moore". 8)
It's not pro Michael Moore... it points out all of his conflicts of narrative and lies.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
You might appreciate the documentary, "Michael Moore Hates America"
You lost me at "Michael Moore". 8)
It's not pro Michael Moore... it points out all of his conflicts of narrative and lies.
I probably still won't see it, but because it will be telling me what I already know.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
The Luv Guv was followed by a Republican who came in with high hoped
but turned out to be a total tool.
I have NO idea who you're talking about. The Luv Gov has yet to be followed by anyone. Cuomo's resignation hasn't engaged as of yet.
Dumas Walker wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-
LOL, I thought you knew I was in Kentucky. :) We had our own Luv Guv back in the late 1990's/early 2000's. I was not thinking about the
latest Luv Guv of New York. :)
The *ONLY* reason? You don't think a lot of people got tested because.... they felt like CRAP and wanted to know if they had COVID?
Your whacko status is CONFIRMED.
Bullshitter/blowhard status is CONFIRMED.
Hey Dumas;
Dumas Walker wrote to DJATROPINE <=-
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents of people testing positive and immediately taking a second test that was negative.
I have a ham friend in Indiana and he took 1 test last week and it was negative, took another a few days later and it showed positive. This whole thing was too rushed.
... Old bankers never die, they just lose interest.
Re: Re: Hey
By: Brian Rogers to Dumas Walker on Sat Aug 07 2021 08:13:00
Hey Dumas;
Dumas Walker wrote to DJATROPINE <=-
I do not think they are 100%. There have been incidents of people testing positive and immediately taking a second test that was negative.
I have a ham friend in Indiana and he took 1 test last week and it was negative, took another a few days later and it showed positive. This whol thing was too rushed.
... Old bankers never die, they just lose interest.
HI! I allso took a couple of tests that was negative. And now i suffering fr post-covid. Cant trust those tests. Not in Sweden anyway.
Re: Re: Hey
By: Moondog to Hexabit on Mon Sep 06 2021 08:08:00
Im from Sweden, did you mean the other guy in the thread?
I had a friend in the states who died from covid last month.
He was born im Sweden but moved to Winston Salem in North Carolina.
Christer Jonsson, he died 11 august. Same age like me. Born 1976.
Sad! :{
I hope you guys stafe safe!
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Exodus wrote to Elf <=-
Re: Re: Hey
By: Elf to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 26 2021 04:11 pm
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No such thing ... only a DX2 could be 66 MHz.
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