Arelor wrote to Divarin <=-

Author here.

Distributing content on your own is harder than people think. There is
a reason why authors try to score a deal with a publishing house before they go the self-publishing route.

In order to have a successful campaign with a book, you need the
following things:

* A story to tell.
* Turning the story into a product.
* The ability to distribute product.
* The ability to market product.

This is a lesson to anyone wanting to go out on their own. I went from being
a salaried employee to starting my consulting business from 1999 to 2004,
and every advice guide hammers home the point that you'll spend maybe a
third of your time in billable hours - the rest is identifying needs, networking, marketing, sales and administrative time. The consulting was
easy - it was everything else that was hard!


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Dream Master wrote to Divarin <=-

On a separate note, online models like Vudu, Xfinity, Audible, etc., concern me that if they were to go under, will the products that we own mysteriously go away or will they be transferred to a medium that we
can physically possess? Who knows!

There have already been precedents where online purchases disappeared when
the companies hosting them went under.

You'd hope someone would allow you to download content before they folded - especially something like Audible where they allow you to download titles to read offline.

On a related note, I have purchased copies of Adobe Photoshop CS2 and CS3. They work just fine in Windows 10, but Adobe turned off the licensing
servers, so they can't be installed.

They've since created CS2 installers that don't require the licensing
servers but they're adamant that you really should be paying for an Adobe CC subscription.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Tue May 04 2021 06:48 am

Dream Master wrote to Divarin <=-

On a separate note, online models like Vudu, Xfinity, Audible, etc., concern me that if they were
go under, will the products that we own mysteriously go away or will they be transferred to a med
that we
can physically possess? Who knows!

There have already been precedents where online purchases disappeared when the companies hosting them went under.

Worst yet, there are precedents of online purchases going under because the compay hosting it has to
remove it.

I think some GTA game in Steam had to remove actual music from the soundtrack because the licenses for
the music expired. In practice this means a product you purchased gets crippled past its expiration date
because of some license agreement the hosting company keeps.

No good.

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Hello Divarin!

** On Saturday 01.05.21 - 08:10, Divarin wrote to hollowone:

..but what I'd really like to see is the authors
distributing their works directly. I want the authors (and
whoever read the book for the audiobook, if not the author)
to get paid I just don't see the point of middlemen
(distributors) in the age of the internet.

Arelor described the dilema of an author's self-representation
well. From a consumer's point of view, we can miss fine authors
if we don't have ONE place to find out about them.

I wouldn't mind so much getting audio books from audible I
just don't like their business model. I don't want to
stream or rent I want to own. I'm willing to pay for the
books I download I just a) don't want to pay a monthly fee
just to have access then b) pay to "rent" the book itself.
I just simply want to pay to *own* a copy of the books I
want, you know ... like a book store

Answer = libro.fm ;)

The (low) monthly fee/creit basically provides access to ANY
book that retails at $35USD or higher. So, basically you get a
book at half-price. And.. it's yours to keep and play any way
you wish. Libro.fm also allows pausing a membership, and you
don't lose existing credits.

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Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to Divarin on Mon May 03 2021 03:05:25

Distributing content on your own is harder than people think. There is a rea why authors try to score a deal with a publishing house before they go the self-publishing route.

In order to have a successful campaign with a book, you need the following things:

* A story to tell.
* Turning the story into a product.
* The ability to distribute product.
* The ability to market product.

Those are all good points I didn't consider. I guess I was just thinking of the distrubution since we were on that topic with audible's subscription model but I wasn't considering the editing and marketing. Especially the marketing. Creative types are rarely good salesmen and salesmen are rarely creative, except maybe in coming up with creative ways to market :)

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I think some GTA game in Steam had to remove actual music from the soundtrack because the licenses for the music expired. In practice this means a product you purchased gets crippled past its expiration date because of some license agreement the hosting company keeps.

The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and
RIAA for a well-known example.

It'd be different if a fair portion of the royalties on music made it to the artists.


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Hello Dumas Walker!

** On Saturday 01.05.21 - 10:08, Dumas Walker wrote to OGG:

Then, one day I walked into the library and there was a
note there about how certain unnamed audiobook
distributors were pressuring the library (actually
pretty much all libraries) with various forms of legal
action..

I've never heard of such a thing here in Canada. Audio books and
even music CDs were a very common item in libraries everywhere.
The one concern may have been that some material was returned
damaged (scratches).

"Them" could be Apple. Apple is now in some hot water in
the EU because of some anti-competitive policies they
have, with Spotify in particular. If they do it with music
apps, I would not doubt that they are doing the same with
audio-book apps.

Apple has no business intimidating libraries. Libraries source
from publishers. Apple is just another "client" like a
library, except they, Apple sell to the end user, and libraries
do not.

Wrt to spotify, I heard something about Apple intimidating
Spotify to the point of pulling their app from the Apple store?

I think it has to do something with Spotify's app ultimately
steering people away from iTunes or something like that. And
although anyone developing iPhone apps pays a huge privilege to
do so, Apple wants to make sure the app doesn't adversly affect
their own services?

That's the gist of what I noted as a wizzed through the
headlines - a while ago now. Most of it foggy and of no real
consequence to me.

But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app can be
obtained directly from the source?

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Re: audio books.. game change
By: Divarin to Arelor on Sun May 09 2021 09:27 am

Those are all good points I didn't consider. I guess I was just thinking of the distrubution since we were on that topic with audible's subscription mod but I wasn't considering the editing and marketing. Especially the marketin Creative types are rarely good salesmen and salesmen are rarely creative, except maybe in coming up with creative ways to market :)

As somebody in a literary workshop once said: "You have to put your heart in your book as if it was the most important thing for you, then you have to go out and sell it as if you were selling a second hand dishwahser."

The problem with salesmen is that they are better at selling you _their_ services than they are at selling _your_ books to others. This is one of the reasons why it is so hard to boot certain sorts of firms. You start researching for things that your business needs and you start getting lots of advice written by sales people, who is just trying to sell you their services.

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Re: audio books.. game change
By: Ogg to Dumas Walker on Sun May 09 2021 07:49 pm

But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app can be
obtained directly from the source?

The big problem here is that iOS is designed to run things Apple allows _only_.

That is a big problem if you want to run a program that competes with Apple directl¤y. You end up competiong against _your platform provider_. It is like being a seller for Amazon when Amazon can start selling the same product you do on their own. It is a war you are never going to win.
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Apple has no business intimidating libraries. Libraries source
from publishers. Apple is just another "client" like a
library, except they, Apple sell to the end user, and libraries
do not.

I agree they don't have any business intimidating libraries, or probably
99% of anyone else they try to intimidate.

But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app can be
obtained directly from the source?

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to lock
down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an
app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.


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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 10.05.21 - 09:17, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app
can be obtained directly from the source?

The big problem here is that iOS is designed to run things
Apple allows _only_.

I'm referring to the distribution part. Is an iOS developer
forced to only use the iStore to distribute/sell their app?

That is a big problem if you want to run a program that
competes with Apple directlñy. You end up competiong
against _your platform provider_. It is like being a seller
for Amazon when Amazon can start selling the same product
you do on their own. It is a war you are never going to
win.

Yes.. the A-n space is like being groomed in the Abyss of
Dante's Circles of Hell and sinking further.


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Hello Dumas Walker!

** On Monday 10.05.21 - 14:36, Dumas Walker wrote to OGG:

But who needs Apple's store for the iOS app when the app
can be obtained directly from the source?

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was
trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through
their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the
EU putting up with that.

They can try (to intimidate), but I think they would fail.
Sure, an iOS developer may need to pay a license to access the
necessary code that talks with Apple products, but the
developer ought to have the right to succeed or fail. Even if
it were a product that later offers a service like Spotify,
Apple should have no business prohibiting that product.

If suddenly Apple were to have the Bank of Apple and their own
banking app, do they have the right to cull competative banking
apps that have been running on iOS prior? I think not.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 10.05.21 - 09:01, Arelor wrote to Divarin:

As somebody in a literary workshop once said: "You have to
put your heart in your book as if it was the most important
thing for you, then you have to go out and sell it as if
you were selling a second hand dishwahser."

Interesting. That is why a book sells better when there is some
entertainment element around it like an exclusive event or a
book trailer on YT. Rarely can a book sell itself from merely
the info on the back or in the dj flaps.

..You start researching for things that your business needs
and you start getting lots of advice written by sales
people, who is just trying to sell you their services.

I am so sick and tired of cold-call calls from service
companies claiming that I could save on fees from my POS
device. First of all, no significant difference occurs for any
sales less than $300k/yr. Then, any savings might be offset by
the increased monthly rental fee of the POS device itself -
which they only tell you about AFTER you've spent 30 minutes on
the phone comparing the fees on your existing bill/statement
with their rates.

Also.. been getting an increase in calls from companies
claiming to offer capital loans.


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Quoting Dumas Walker to Ogg <=-

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to
lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.

I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are
trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.


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Re: audio books.. game change
By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon May 10 2021 05:15 pm

I'm referring to the distribution part. Is an iOS developer
forced to only use the iStore to distribute/sell their app?

Afaik if the developer has no developper account at Apple, which costs money, the application just won't
run on the device. This implies that Apple can denny allowing arbitrary applications to run and therefore
can choose which applications will work on iOS and which ones won't.

A real life example of this screwup: https://docs.scummvm.org/en/latest/other_platforms/ios.html

Notice the "Free Developer account" is crappy as heck and only works for testing.
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I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to
lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.

I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are
trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.

It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for some of these practices.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun May 09 2021 08:43:00

The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and

WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's, WKRP in Cincinnati.

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Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The RIAA is horrendous when it comes to licensing music. Google WKRP and

WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's,
WKRP in Cincinnati.

...and such a funny show it was. :-)

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Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's,
WKRP in Cincinnati.

Exactly. They had such a hard time releasing it for syndication, because
they had to license every song playing in the background.


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Elf wrote to Divarin <=-

...and such a funny show it was. :-)

I finally found a copy of the movie FM, which a lot of the characters in
WKRP seem to be cribbed from. Great live performances in the movie, great
70s rock soundtrack, and the theme song by Donald Fagen.

WKRP is now on one of the streaming services and I watched the pilot
recently. The scene where Dr. Johnny Fever comes alive mid-shift is
priceless.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Divarin on Thu May 13 2021 06:09 am

Divarin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

WKRP? The only WKRP that comes to mind is that sitcom from the 80's, WKRP in Cincinnati.

Exactly. They had such a hard time releasing it for syndication, because they had to license every song playing in the background.

are you sure about that because you can legally play x seconds of any video or song on a tv show. especially with context of the show, it is arguable it's not being used wrong.

are you sure that's just not some made up internet myth? i've seen it in syndication just fine.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Elf <=-

I finally found a copy of the movie FM, which a lot of the characters
in WKRP seem to be cribbed from. Great live performances in the movie, great 70s rock soundtrack, and the theme song by Donald Fagen.

WKRP is now on one of the streaming services and I watched the pilot recently. The scene where Dr. Johnny Fever comes alive mid-shift is priceless.

Time for me to check out the show again. It's been a while. I'll have
to check out this movie FM, never heard of it.

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DUMAS WALKER wrote to ELF <=-

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.

I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.

It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.

It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.




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Re: audio books.. game change
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DUMAS WALKER on Fri May 14 2021 09:48 am

DUMAS WALKER wrote to ELF <=-

I am not sure but I think I read somewhere that Apple was trying to lock down iOS to force people to go through their store in order to install an app. I cannot see the EU putting up with that.

I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.

It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for some of these practices.

It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.

... File not found: Loading something that looks similar...

Quality Control is fine if they at least attempt to do it. Lots of app-stores and the like don't do anythign about it.

But even if they did, vendor locking for both developers and users is hardly a price worth paying.

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

I thought that was their modus operandi with iOS? And I think they are trying or going to try that with macOS now. Yuck.

It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.

It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.

I ran all Apple gear from 2004 to 2015. It really is just one of the
things to consider when running Apple gear. They have, and maintain,
tight control over their systems and their echosystem. It does provide
a higher level of quality. But one has to decide if that level of
quality is worth the sacrifice of personal control and customization
over ones own devices. Based on my experience with their Macs I don't
think the hardware is all that great. I had too many failures among to
many machines in our household. Their *older* hardware was better, in
my opinion. But at any rate, they do make a beautiful and functional
product. But I switched away because my desire to have full control and customization - the ability to "tinker" - was stronger than my desire
to have something that seamlessly fit together with other Apple stuff.
So in 2015 I switched to Linux and have enjoyed it ever since. My
hardware last long because I can upgrade it myself or replace failing
pieces without replacing the entire device. Just last month I had to
replace the battery on my Dell laptop - internal battery too, not the
kind you can just pop off the botton by pressing two tabs. I had to
open it up and pull it out from the inside. But it only cost me $40. I
didn't have to shell out another $1000+ for a new laptop nor did I have
to pay Apple $200+ to have them replace it. I like that! :-)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Apple hater. I like their stuff, I just
like having more control over my own stuff. And I applaud Apple's
success with the M1 chip. I'm glad they are back to a RISC chip instead
of CISC. I remember the switch from PowerPC to Intel and while it was a necessary evil at the time, their systems for me lost that buttery
smooth graphics animation when they went to Intel. I PowerPC iMac
*NEVER* stuttered under normal operation of the UI. The Intel Macs
after that did. Long live RISC!

Their M1 chip is one development that would temp me back to a Mac,
however, I don't want to get back into their hardware cycle and lack of customization (of the OS UI for example). So, instead I will wait
patiently for the Intel/AMD side of the world to respond in the years
ahead. :-)

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On 05-14-21 09:48, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

It has been their MO for sure. The EU is investigating them now for
some of these practices.

It also allows a certain amount of Quality Control.

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.

For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and Apple is really good at that. For a desktop or a laptop, I want more flexibility to be able to install software from wherever I want. Of course, if I choose to use that flexibility to shoot myself in the foot, that's my own stupid fault. :D

When I had a Mac, I did play with a lot of open source software that might never make an official store.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed May 19 2021 10:05 am

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.

For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and Apple is

That would be fine if Apple did actually "just work".

I don't think it works as advertised.

I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Apple, which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I remember once its email client hung the whole phone trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).

I think "just works" has become a meaningless monicker as of late. Every vendor attaches the tag to their products.

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On 05-19-21 15:45, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

That would be fine if Apple did actually "just work".

I don't think it works as advertised.

I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Apple, which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that
regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I remember once its email client hung the whole phone
trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).

Interesting. I've had no issues with Apple phones worth mentioning. I have had a few minor ones with Android over time, though Android is still a decent platform.

I think "just works" has become a meaningless monicker as of late.
Every vendor attaches the tag to their products.

And with full blown systems (Mac, Windows, Linux), there's always some significant customisation to do. :)


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to Vk3jed on Wed May 19 2021 03:45 pm

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed May 19 2021 10:05 am

I know some people don't like that, but I have no problem with it.

For a phone, I don't mind it. I want my phone to "just work", and Apple

That would be fine if Apple did actually "just work".

I don't think it works as advertised.

I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Appl which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I rememb once its email client hung the whole phone trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).

I think "just works" has become a meaningless monicker as of late. Every ven attaches the tag to their products.

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I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released since 2016 really do "just work". I have never experienced an operating system so optimised, user friendly and uncluttered. I am on my third Apple phone now and I can count the number of hang-ups I've had since 2016 on one hand. I have a lot of experience on high quaity Samsung phones, Notes and Galaxys, as they are the chosen mobile devices at my work place and I have experienced hard crashes, sluggish performance, random glitches and things of that nature. Android is no where near as clean and optimised as iOS in my opinion.

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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Zouf to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 11:14 am

I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released since 2016 really do "just work". I have never experienced an operating system so optimised, user friendly and uncluttered. I am on my third Apple phone now and I can count the number of hang-ups I've had since 2016 on one hand. I have a lot of experience on high quaity Samsung phones, Notes and Galaxys, as they are the chosen mobile devices at my work place and I have experienced hard crashes, sluggish performance, random glitches and things of that nature. Android is no where near as clean and optimised as iOS in my opinion.

samsung is just shit. everything they do is shit.
i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.

i have a motorola phone and it works great.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Zouf to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 11:14 am

I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released
since 2016 really do "just work". I have never experienced an operating system so optimised, use
friendly and uncluttered. I am on my third Apple phone now and I can count the number of hang-up
I've had since 2016 on one hand. I have a lot of experience on high quaity Samsung phones, Notes
and Galaxys, as they are the chosen mobile devices at my work place and I have experienced hard
crashes, sluggish performance, random glitches and things of that nature. Android is no where ne
as clean and optimised as iOS in my opinion.

I don't remember having a single crash or hang in any of my personal Android phones. I still think
they suck.

The main difference for me is that Androids you can find for cheaper. As I always say, every
smartphone is going to suck, so you may as well have one that sucks but does not rape your wallet.

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I do as much family and workplace support per capita for Android as for Apple, which to me suggests none is superior to the other in that
regard. Apple is more shiny, but also chokes when trying to do certain common tasks (I remember once its email client hung the whole phone
trying to connect to a particular SMPTD server that was standard compliant).

The stickler for me is cost. I'm a cheapskate, and if I can do most of what
I need to do for a fraction of the cost of the high-end option, I'm all for it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.

I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife and I have 2 used Windows desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.

Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 07:18 am

it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.

I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife and I have 2 used Windows desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.

Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.

... How does this work, is there an orientation?

one thing that i personally have notices is this:

ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in contact with mom.

iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and screen shattered. i've dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.

she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 21 2021 01:11 am

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 07:18 am

it. Braces, mortgage, guitar lessons, all that fun stuff.

I have a $100 Android phone, my daughter has a Chromebook, and my wife and I have 2 used Wind
desktops. I've got a 10-year old laptop that runs Linux well.

Yeah, Apple products are pretty, but the cost is prohibitive.

... How does this work, is there an orientation?

one thing that i personally have notices is this:

ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in contact with mom.

iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and screen shattered. i've
dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.

she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.

I don't even have cases for mine. A caseless phone you take care off will die from obsolescence
before it dies from damage. I say this as somebody whose phones are his horses' favorite toys.

I have an old Nokia from the 6000 series which is full of bite marks, has mane hair inside the
screen and scratches all around, and it still works. Similar thing with a Nokia 3.1, which is
supposed to be an entry, cheap, garbage phone. It costed me about 85 eur. The geolocation services
are sluggish as heck with it and it has a cracked screen but after 3 years it is still not asking
to be replaced.

Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my religion. Phones should be
reasonably resistent to damage out of the box without the user having to make an additional
investment - and, surprise, most are.


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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Arelor to MRO on Fri May 21 2021 03:09 am

I don't even have cases for mine. A caseless phone you take care off will die from obsolescence before it dies from damage. I say this as somebody whose phones are his horses' favorite toys.

i like my phone case. it has a stand on it and makes it easier to hold.

Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my religion. Phones should be reasonably resistent to damage out of the box without the user having to make an additional investment - and, surprise, most are.

you can drop a phone and hit it at a weird angle. nothing wrong with spending like 10 bucks for a case.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Zouf to Arelor on Thu May 20 2021 11:14 am

I disagree. I don't know which generation of Apple phone you have used but the phones released since 2016 really do "just work".

I agree that Apple devices (iPhones, iPads) have very good quality control ('cept maybe the "phone" function) and I think their software quality is very high too.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 09:55 am

i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.

I like their TVs and computer monitors. What brands are you liking more than Samsung?
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 21 2021 01:11 am

ex girlfriend has a daughter. she needs to have a cellphone to keep in contact with mom.

iphone was replaced 6 times due to damage from age 10-13
one time it dropped out of her pocket when getting out of the car and screen shattered. i've dropped my android phone hundreds of times. still good.

she got an android phone and a case for it and it wasnt damaged again.

I have 3 daughters (14-19): each has lost or broken (cracked, water damaged) at least 2 iPhones. The oldest is probably on her 6th iPhone already. Meanwhile, I've had 2 iPhones, dropped a few times, never broken, never lost. And yeah, they all have cases, but occassionally they would remove the phone from the case for some reason and of course, drop it.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri May 21 2021 05:24 pm

Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: MRO to Zouf on Thu May 20 2021 09:55 am

i'm through with samsung phones and tvs.

I like their TVs and computer monitors. What brands are you liking more than Samsung?
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i tossed out my samsung tv. i wasnt happy with how it wasn't keeping up with updates.

I've had a few in the past and they were glitchy with updates. I've also had older samsung computer monitors fail after a few years.

stuff is more polished now, but i still would rather not give them my business. we have 2 huge samsung tvs but i didn't buy them.

for my computer displays i have an asus and for secondary is benq. the color is good and they are very clear. the asus is intended for gaming. the benq is not as good but pretty damn close.
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Re: Re: audio books.. game change
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri May 21 2021 05:28 pm

I have 3 daughters (14-19): each has lost or broken (cracked, water damaged) at least 2 iPhones. The oldest is probably on her 6th iPhone already. Meanwhile, I've had 2 iPhones, dropped a few times, never broken, never lost. And yeah, they all have cases, but occassionally they would remove the phone from the case for some reason and of course, drop it.

i've dropped my phone some good ones. i dont think an iphone could take this.

infact tonight i dropped my phone in a bar and people thought i dropped a gun or some weapon because it made such a loud noise. i said 'it's my phone' and they said sorry it's probably broke. i tell them no, i have a good case [which it's an ok case, got special].

still working with no cracked screen.
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Arelor wrote to MRO <=-

Maybe I am just a mean cheapstake, but paying for a case is against my religion. Phones should be reasonably resistent to damage out of the
box without the user having to make an additional investment - and, surprise, most are.

Buying a cheap case is worth not having to clean fingerprints off of a shiny back phone all the time, and it hides the metal plate that connects to the magnetic mount in my car.

The one phone I liked caseless was the iPhone 3GS - it felt right in my hand without a case, and looked pretty cool at the time.




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MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-

infact tonight i dropped my phone in a bar and people thought i dropped
a gun or some weapon because it made such a loud noise. i said 'it's
my phone' and they said sorry it's probably broke. i tell them no, i
have a good case [which it's an ok case, got special].

If you have an Apple or Samsung phone (and maybe a few other brands) Magpul makes a great case that has a milspec look to it, and they're great at protecting screens. I had an iPhone 6s that I'd sworn was a goner at least twice that came back without a scratch after a drop.


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