• working at amazon

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Apr 18 13:03:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 18.04.21 - 06:38, MRO wrote to Knightbbs:

    i worked at amazon for extra cash a few years ago. it's the
    same as any fulfillment job. it's not hard work. they have
    a lot of perks and great insurance. after 1 year you can get
    a college education for decent fields paid for by amazon and
    take classes right on campus.

    Is it true that amazon has vending machines located around the
    warehouse that dispense over-the-counter pain killers to its
    workers?

    they use the same time tracking system all over the world.
    the exact same. everything is timed but it's not that bad.
    if you have to go take a shit, you're good. if you're
    drinking a lot of water and have to go take a piss for 5
    mins every hour you're good. if you are gone for an hour
    THAT will get you in trouble.

    Some of the warehouses are so large that it takes over 15
    minutes just to walk to the break-room?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Apr 18 18:56:18 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 01:03 pm

    a lot of perks and great insurance. after 1 year you can get
    a college education for decent fields paid for by amazon and
    take classes right on campus.

    Is it true that amazon has vending machines located around the
    warehouse that dispense over-the-counter pain killers to its
    workers?


    they have vending machines that work with your badge that dispense gloves, cutters, cough drops, losenges, notepads, packs of pens, scissors, markers and anything you need. it also has ibruprofen. it's all free.

    most fulfillment places have these machines.

    mins every hour you're good. if you are gone for an hour
    THAT will get you in trouble.

    Some of the warehouses are so large that it takes over 15
    minutes just to walk to the break-room?


    they arent warehouses. there is a part of the facility that is a warehouse. they have breakrooms all over. there's also filtered water coolers all over the place and i had a fan that blew on me when i wanted it. they also have anti fatigue mats that are real nice.

    i used to eat in my car so it would take over 5 mins to walk down from the 4th floor mez and go to the front and go into the back of the parking lot.

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sun Apr 18 20:47:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Ogg <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 02:45:58 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 08:47 pm

    MRO wrote to Ogg <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?




    Hey, you could be doing worse and be doing no work at all :-)

    That said, working in serial production lines and the like is not for everybody. I know some actually hard working people who got hired for serial production. They managed to do their job but you could tell the employment was wearing them down. These people would rather do extra hours fixing roofs
    than sit yet another hour in front on a conveyor belt, bolting on the same parts once and over and over again. Eventually they quit and now they raise metal structures.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Arelor on Mon Apr 19 07:37:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    Hey, you could be doing worse and be doing no work at all :-)

    I guess that's true.

    That said, working in serial production lines and the like is not
    for everybody. I know some actually hard working people who got
    hired for serial production. They managed to do their job but you
    could tell the employment was wearing them down. These people
    would rather do extra hours fixing roofs than sit yet another
    hour in front on a conveyor belt, bolting on the same parts once
    and over and over again. Eventually they quit and now they raise
    metal structures.

    Yeah, makes sense... Don't think I could do assembly line work. In
    fact I'm quite sure I couldn't / wouldn't.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Mon Apr 19 09:07:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 19.04.21 - 02:45, Arelor wrote to Gamgee:

    That said, working in serial production lines and the like
    is not for everybody. I know some actually hard working
    people who got hired for serial production. They managed to
    do their job but you could tell the employment was wearing
    them down.

    Don't factories/production lines like that rotate the jobs?
    Say, 1 week you are doing scanning, next week you are doing
    packing, the week after that.. something else?


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Mon Apr 19 10:29:00 2021
    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness, if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work after I retire.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 19 15:05:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
    if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
    after I retire.

    Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even mindlessly),
    you're not retired. :-)


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 13:25:19 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 20:47:00

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.
    Who wants to do mindless work?

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Mon Apr 19 17:00:05 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Apr 19 2021 09:07 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 19.04.21 - 02:45, Arelor wrote to Gamgee:

    That said, working in serial production lines and the like
    is not for everybody. I know some actually hard working
    people who got hired for serial production. They managed to
    do their job but you could tell the employment was wearing
    them down.

    Don't factories/production lines like that rotate the jobs?
    Say, 1 week you are doing scanning, next week you are doing
    packing, the week after that.. something else?

    Let's say... there are managers with wildly different ideas about how to manage production lines :-)

    I think it is more of an issue when the managers are pushed against tight economies of scale. Then this people starts imposing tight timeframes for workers to do their thing. They will put you in front of a conveyor belt and give you 3 seconds for you to fasten each bolt instead of the 5 you used to have. A lot of factory management is about making the most out of production time.

    See, there is people whose job is too calculate how far to push production machinery in order to achieve best production levels. A cutting machine you force to cut many meters of steel per minute will produce more pieces but will also ruin its blade more often. A ruined blade means shutting off the line for a minute or two while the team reeplaces the broken one. There is people calculating which is the point past which the downtimes overweight the increased production rate of an over-speedy cutter.

    And they perform these sort of calculations with human workers too.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Lupine Furmen on Mon Apr 19 20:58:00 2021
    Lupine Furmen wrote to Gamgee <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting
    and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.

    Good for you. Some of us want more than that out of life.



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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Lupine Furmen on Tue Apr 20 08:23:59 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.

    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people to watch youtube all day?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Tue Apr 20 08:23:37 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 08:47 pm

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    Amazon also has software jobs, for maintaining their web site, apps, streaming services, etc.. I had a couple phone interviews for a couple Amazon software jobs years ago, but I wasn't chosen. Some of their questions were a little weird - I remember being asked once how I'd design some software to manage a parking lot or something like that.

    I've read some reviews from people working for Amazon saying it can be a tough place, and it sounded like morale was low.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Mon Apr 19 07:20:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Ogg <=-

    Is it true that amazon has vending machines located around the
    warehouse that dispense over-the-counter pain killers to its
    workers?


    they have vending machines that work with your badge that dispense
    gloves, cutters, cough drops, losenges, notepads, packs of pens,
    scissors, markers and anything you need. it also has ibruprofen. it's
    all free.

    Most companies have first-aid kits with a variety of over-the-counter meds.
    I worked for a law firm, and the disclaimer with a "opening this cabinet signifies your acceptance of these terms of service" was amusing.

    I worked at a %LARGE_INTERNET_AUCTION_SITE% and we had a vending machine
    full of Apple bluetooth keyboard, mice, power supplies, ethernet cables, USB keyboards, and earpods. Keeping it feeding properly was a nightmare.

    You'd scan your badge to get into it, and we'd charge your department back.
    It worked nicely.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Tue Apr 20 11:25:00 2021
    Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
    if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
    after I retire.

    Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even mindlessly),
    you're not retired. :-)

    True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to still need to be productive at something for a while, hopefully part time.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Apr 20 15:07:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.

    Who wants to do mindless work?

    Amazon also has software jobs, for maintaining their web site,
    apps, streaming services, etc.. I had a couple phone interviews
    for a couple Amazon software jobs years ago, but I wasn't chosen.
    Some of their questions were a little weird - I remember being
    asked once how I'd design some software to manage a parking lot
    or something like that.

    Sure, I'm sure they have a WIDE variety of job roles, and software
    development would certainly not fall into the "mindless work" category.
    ;-)

    I've read some reviews from people working for Amazon saying it
    can be a tough place, and it sounded like morale was low.

    As big as they are, there must be a wide variety of pro's/con's, and the
    same for morale, depending on location and job type. Same as any other
    huge corporation.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 20 15:07:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Being near retirement from a job that requires non-mindlessness,
    if they pay well, I would be interested in some mindless work
    after I retire.

    Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even mindlessly),
    you're not retired. :-)

    True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to still
    need to be productive at something for a while, hopefully part
    time.

    Understood, and agreed. I'll likely be in that place, too.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to HusTler on Tue Apr 20 11:16:35 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Tue Apr 20 2021 08:23:59

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and
    watching YouTube while working on my laptop.
    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people to watch youtube all day?

    I'm a gate guard at an industrial plant. I just have to check contractors in and out of my gate, and there's not that many of them, so there is a LOT of down time on an 8 hour shift.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 20 16:51:00 2021
    Hello Dumas Walker!

    ** On Tuesday 20.04.21 - 11:25, Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE:

    ..if they pay well, I would be interested in
    some mindless work after I retire.

    Yeah, I see your point, but... if you're working (even
    mindlessly), you're not retired. :-)

    True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
    still need to be productive at something for a while,
    hopefully part time.

    But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
    oxymoron. ;)


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Lupine Furmen on Wed Apr 21 07:51:15 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to HusTler on Tue Apr 20 2021 11:16 am

    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays
    people to watch youtube all day?

    I'm a gate guard at an industrial plant. I just have to check contractors in and out of my gate, and there's not that many of them, so there is a LOT of down time on an 8 hour shift.

    Ahhh. I did security for a few years also. I was on my laptop all the time but internet was hard to find. I'd stop at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell Service. A lot of theft goes on there.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Wed Apr 21 07:56:41 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: Ogg to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 20 2021 04:51 pm

    ..if they pay well, I would be interested in
    some mindless work after I retire.

    But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
    oxymoron. ;)

    Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another. Both will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I mean $18.00 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Wed Apr 21 10:07:00 2021
    True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
    still need to be productive at something for a while,
    hopefully part time.

    But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
    oxymoron. ;)

    As long as I get paid for it, that is productive for me. :)


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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to HusTler on Wed Apr 21 19:32:49 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Wed Apr 21 2021 07:51 am

    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to HusTler on Tue Apr 20 2021 11:16 am

    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays
    people to watch youtube all day?

    I'm a gate guard at an industrial plant. I just have to check contractors in and out of my gate, and there's not that many of them, so there is a LOT of down time on an 8 hour shift.

    Ahhh. I did security for a few years also. I was on my laptop all the time but internet was hard to find. I'd stop at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell Service. A lot of theft goes on there.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Wed Apr 21 17:20:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Wednesday 21.04.21 - 07:51, HusTler wrote to Lupine Furmen:

    Ahhh. I did security for a few years also. I was on my
    laptop all the time but internet was hard to find. I'd stop
    at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked
    for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell
    Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then you weren't doing your job!!! :D ..and spending too much
    time watching DVDs. :/


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 01:45:56 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: Ogg to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 20 2021 04:51 pm

    True, I would only be retired from my career. I suspect to
    still need to be productive at something for a while,
    hopefully part time.

    But to want to be "productive at a mindless task" seems like an
    oxymoron. ;)

    i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the job. i've seen it too many times with people: they retire and waste away or get cancer.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 01:47:21 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: HusTler to Ogg on Wed Apr 21 2021 07:56 am

    oxymoron. ;)

    Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another. Both will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I mean $18.00 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.


    hold on now. i doubt working those jobs will get you a pension in today's age. pensions are mostly gone.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to hustler on Thu Apr 22 01:50:09 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Wed Apr 21 2021 05:20 pm

    at blockbuster before going to work and rent DVD's. I worked
    for a company called Securitas. My post was Unitited Parcell
    Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    i assume you mean ups? i worked there for a summer job. i didnt see any theft and we had metal detectors [they loved it when i went through with my work knife from my other job] and they would search your purses, etc.

    people are too busy to steal at ups. also only one way in and one way out.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Lupine Furmen on Thu Apr 22 05:01:04 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm

    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Apr 18 2021 20:47:00

    amazon is an easy job, i've had worse.
    you just do mindless work and make money.
    Who wants to do mindless work?

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watchin YouTube while working on my laptop.

    You have just reminded me of a Howrse Player. She worked at a rural library nwhich was rarely visited by anybody, so she spent most of her time playing Howrse. She joked she was paid to play online games rather than watch after the library.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 05:10:46 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Tue Apr 20 2021 08:23 am

    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.

    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people t watch youtube all day?


    I don't know about him, but I know people who is getting paid LOTS of kilobucks in order to sit in front of a computer at weird hours, just in case something breaks and repair is needed.

    You are unlikely to be needed if your job is to be available just in case some critical infrastructure needs repair, but if your intervention is necessary, it is *really* necessary, so it is worth it to pay you in order to sit in front of a computer or control pannel playing games or whatever.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 06:03:46 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:10 am

    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Tue Apr 20 2021 08:23 am

    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Lupine Furmen to Gamgee on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:25 pm

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift sitting and watching YouTube while working on my laptop.

    What are you expected to do? I'm curious as to what employer pays people t watch youtube all day?


    I don't know about him, but I know people who is getting paid LOTS of kilobucks in order to sit in front of a computer at weird hours, just in case something breaks and repair is needed.

    You are unlikely to be needed if your job is to be available just in case some critical infrastructure needs repair, but if your intervention is necessary, it is *really* necessary, so it is worth it to pay you in order to sit in front of a computer or control pannel playing games or whatever.


    i was on youtube and facebook almost all the day at my last job and i hated it. so boring. lupinefurfuck is probably watching all the furry conventions in existance on youtube.
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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Thu Apr 22 13:06:05 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:47 am

    Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another. Bot will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I mean $18 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.


    hold on now. i doubt working those jobs will get you a pension in today's a

    Also, working in a care home setting isn't an easy job. My mum used to work as a nurse in a care home and she always spoke of the health care assistants as being the hardest workers. Not only do you require an infinite level of compassion for people who have lost most of their congative faculties, but you also have to be patient with those who have lost control of their bodily functions. It may not be intellectually stimulating, but it sure sounds like hard work. I would prefer stacking shelves in a shop or warehouse, working asa delivery driver or in security if I were in search of a mindless job.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 10:00:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 05:01, Arelor wrote to Lupine Furmen:

    ME!! I love my job, spend almost the entire 8 hour shift
    sitting and watchin YouTube while working on my laptop.

    You have just reminded me of a Howrse Player. She worked at
    a rural library nwhich was rarely visited by anybody, so she
    spent most of her time playing Howrse. She joked she was
    paid to play online games rather than watch after the
    library.

    Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
    I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
    called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
    decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
    ONE system to learn and apply.

    I know someone who worked as a "professional" librarian for a
    number of years after graduation. I asked her what was the most
    challenging part of the job. I didn't really get a definitive or
    an elaborate answer. The persong hated dealing with people! :)
    ..and most of the time on the job was spent reshelving books or
    relabelling books ..or reading when activity was slow.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Vlk-451 on Thu Apr 22 11:33:05 2021
    Re: Security
    By: Vlk-451 to HusTler on Wed Apr 21 2021 07:32 pm

    going to work and rent DVD's. I worked for a company called Securitas.

    I just bialed out of a position with G4S. The Security Megacorps are the worst. All of em.

    I'm not familiar with those two. Are they American companies??

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 11:41:52 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Wed Apr 21 2021 05:20 pm

    Service. A lot of theft goes on there.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then you weren't doing your job!!! :D ..and spending too much
    time watching DVDs. :/

    Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was working the night shift checking in the tractor trailers. The stealing is internal. Emloyees are the thiefs. They manage to get past all the cameras etc. '-)

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Apr 22 11:49:02 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:47 am

    Security Guard fits the bill. Working at a Nursing home is another.
    Both will give you competitve wages and pension. By competive wages I
    mean $18.00 to $21.00 an hour in NY for mindless work.

    hold on now. i doubt working those jobs will get you a pension in today's age. pensions are mostly gone. ---

    They do in New York. Maybe not a big one like cops get but they get a penison. All Nursing Home workers get a pension after 5 years of employment. My Security company had it but you had to contribute to it and work there for 15 years.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Apr 22 11:59:36 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: MRO to hustler on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:50 am

    i assume you mean ups? i worked there for a summer job. i didnt see any theft and we had metal detectors [they loved it when i went through with my work knife from my other job] and they would search your purses, etc.

    people are too busy to steal at ups. also only one way in and one way out.

    Yep. I was the guy checking your pockets. Did they have the rule "No Napsacks" or extra bags? The company claims there is a lot of theft. That's why all the security. I personally never found anything on anyone. It's also very uncomfortable looking through someone's shit when you know they are putting in an honest days work. October thru December UPs hires a lot of people for the holiday rush. Thats when things really get hairy. People know it's a "temp" job and take risks cause they just don't care.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Zouf on Thu Apr 22 13:52:48 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: Zouf to MRO on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:06 pm


    Also, working in a care home setting isn't an easy job. My mum used to work as a nurse in a care home and she always spoke of the health care assistants as being the hardest workers. Not only do you require an infinite level of compassion for people who have lost most of their congative faculties, but you also have to be patient with those who have lost control of their bodily functions. It may not be intellectually stimulating, but it sure sounds like hard work. I would prefer stacking shelves in a shop or warehouse, working asa delivery driver or in security if I were in search of a mindless job.


    it's a very important job. my mom worked her way up to an adminstrative position from a nurse's aid. she actually brought me up to the crazy floor one time and it freaked me the fuck out. there's people that are sexually deviant, do stuff with their poop, and people who think they are prisoners.

    it's hard work.

    regardless, most of what we call 'mindless jobs' require time managment. time managment can get tricky and some people can't handle it. when i had a side job cleaning a huge place i had to make sure my people were on task and i had to make sure i did the floors at certain times and deal with the worker's bullshit. we had to cover for people that didnt come in which was always.
    none of the workers at the facility wanted us there cleaning when they were there in a breakroom or office but it had to be done. they kept asking us to come at another time. if i did that nothing would get done.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 14:22:06 2021
    Re: shift sitting and watchin YouTube while working
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:00 am

    Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
    I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
    called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
    decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
    ONE system to learn and apply.

    I know someone who worked as a "professional" librarian for a
    number of years after graduation. I asked her what was the most
    challenging part of the job. I didn't really get a definitive or
    an elaborate answer. The persong hated dealing with people! :)
    ..and most of the time on the job was spent reshelving books or
    relabelling books ..or reading when activity was slow.


    librarians must have master degrees and other degrees. i'm still not sure what the fuck they do. people don't really use libraries anymore, atleast not as much as they used to use them.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 14:23:46 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:49 am

    today's age. pensions are mostly gone. ---

    They do in New York. Maybe not a big one like cops get but they get a penison. All Nursing Home workers get a pension after 5 years of employment. My Security company had it but you had to contribute to it and work there for 15 years.


    well, that's very rare now.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 14:25:52 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:59 am


    Yep. I was the guy checking your pockets. Did they have the rule "No Napsacks" or extra bags? The company claims there is a lot of theft. That's why all the security. I personally never found anything on anyone. It's also very uncomfortable looking through someone's shit when you know they are putting in an honest days work. October thru December UPs hires a lot of people for the holiday rush. Thats when things really get hairy. People know it's a "temp" job and take risks cause they just don't care.

    well there's no drug tests at ups and most people are part time. so you get druggies. i think the only thing getting stolen at ups is pills. i've seen pills spinning around on the conveyors.

    when i was there people had a see through plastic backpack.

    ups is one of the worst jobs i've ever had and it's a shitty company. the only good thing there is the healthcare and they pay for college.
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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Thu Apr 22 12:43:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Ogg <=-

    i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the job. i've seen
    it too many times with people: they retire and waste away or get
    cancer. ---

    Agreed! Same here.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Thu Apr 22 16:21:00 2021
    Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
    I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
    called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
    decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
    ONE system to learn and apply.

    When I was in school, I worked in the library. In order to become an
    actual Librarian at the university, you had to have a Masters Degree.
    Unless you are working for a small-town library, I think that is true everywhere (in the US).

    My guess is that you have to prove that you know something about literature.

    Also, most large libraries (again, in the USA) use the Library of Congress catalog system and only have "Dewey collections" for older books that don't have an LOC number.

    At least they did 30 years ago... heck, the LOC may have been replaced by
    now. :)

    I know someone who worked as a "professional" librarian for a
    number of years after graduation. I asked her what was the most
    challenging part of the job. I didn't really get a definitive or
    an elaborate answer. The persong hated dealing with people! :)
    ..and most of the time on the job was spent reshelving books or
    relabelling books ..or reading when activity was slow.

    At the university library, when I worked at one of the desks, the
    professors were the most difficult people to deal with by far. That, and
    the flashers, restroom peepers, and other perverts. :O


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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to All on Thu Apr 22 18:26:10 2021
    Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
    I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
    called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
    decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
    ONE system to learn and apply.

    Library science/librarians/libraries is/are not really about the books directly any more than the bbs hobby is about modems. That just happens to be the more traditional medium for work. The education and skillset of librarians is all geared towards research skills, particularly where it comes to esoteric topics. Libraries are more intended as portals for collecting and accessing knowledge, it's just that that has traditionally required collecting books. Much of that is changing and many libraries are utilizing increasingly digital options and sources.

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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Fri Apr 23 10:13:31 2021
    Re: working at amazon
    By: MRO to Zouf on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:52 pm

    it's a very important job. my mom worked her way up to an adminstrative posi
    and people who think they are prisoners.

    it's hard work.

    regardless, most of what we call 'mindless jobs' require time managment. tim floors at certain times and deal with the worker's bullshit. we had to cover none of the workers at the facility wanted us there cleaning when they were

    *having a bit of an issue with the newest firmware update on my WiFi modem when it comes to quoting complete sentences.

    Care home work is super important. Those who do it though are massively undervalued and under paid. That is the reason why most of the people who do it are foreign nationals. Not many people are able to do a job as physical or as challenging long-term.

    Where I work the cleaners would always apologise and clean our work stations and vaccum the carpet. I don't mind as they have a job to do and the office would look like a total shit hole were it not for them.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 22:08:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 11:41, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was
    working the night shift checking in the tractor trailers.
    The stealing is internal. Emloyees are the thiefs. They
    manage to get past all the cameras etc. '-)

    What do they take most of the time? Small packages that they
    can hide on their person somewhere?


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Fri Apr 23 08:16:22 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 02:25 pm

    well there's no drug tests at ups and most people are part time. so you get druggies. i think the only thing getting stolen at ups is pills. i've seen pills spinning around on the conveyors.

    when i was there people had a see through plastic backpack.

    ups is one of the worst jobs i've ever had and it's a shitty company. the only good thing there is the healthcare and they pay for college. ---

    They pulled a surprise drug test at the UPS I worked at in NY. The workers were bent out of shape over it. The Gossip was the company was trying to nail one particular employee that had been there a while. So not to single him out they tested everyone. He failed the drug test and fired him. That was the last of drug testing while I was there. I didn't work for UPS. I worked for a Security company that contracted with UPS. The workers looked very unhappy.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Elf on Fri Apr 23 08:19:40 2021
    Re: Re: working at amazon
    By: Elf to MRO on Thu Apr 22 2021 12:43 pm

    i'm never going to retire. i'm going to drop dead on the job. i've
    seen it too many times with people: they retire and waste away or
    get cancer. ---

    Agreed! Same here.

    I'll second that. I'd have no idea what to do with myself. ;-)

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Fri Apr 23 11:23:10 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:08 pm

    Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was

    What do they take most of the time? Small packages that they
    can hide on their person somewhere?

    That's the little guys. There was a racket going on between the loaders and drivers. The loaders put "marked" packages in the truck and then the driver would unload them at a pretermined location where someone else picked them up. I don't know all the details but that's what I heard.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Fri Apr 23 17:58:33 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: HusTler to Ogg on Fri Apr 23 2021 11:23 am

    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:08 pm

    Oh my. No videos at UPS. Too busy for that. Unless I was

    What do they take most of the time? Small packages that they
    can hide on their person somewhere?

    That's the little guys. There was a racket going on between the loaders and drivers. The loaders put "marked" packages in the truck and then the driver would unload them at a pretermined location where someone else picked them up. I don't know all the details but that's what I heard.

    yeah i can see that happening. i'm not sure how they'd know what is what unless the box is marked with the contents, though.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Fri Apr 23 22:22:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 14:22, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    ..people don't really use libraries anymore, atleast not as
    much as they used to use them. -+-

    Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
    seem to be increasing in interest among seniors. The libraries
    also offer public terminals to access the internet and offer
    spaces for community programs.

    As a bookshop owner, I get some people telling me that they
    might first check out a book at the library. And if they like
    it and don't have the option to renew or cannot finish it in
    their allotted time, they look to seek out a copy to own.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 23 22:59:00 2021
    Hello Dumas Walker!

    ** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 16:21, Dumas Walker wrote to OGG:

    ..In order to become an actual Librarian at the university,
    you had to have a Masters Degree. Unless you are working
    for a small-town library, I think that is true everywhere
    (in the US).

    I did not know about the Masters part. I'll have to ask my
    retired friend if she has a Masters. The only part she really
    enjoyed when working in the library was the research when it was
    needed.

    My guess is that you have to prove that you know something
    about literature.

    Apparently, the dark art the librarian are research skills?

    Also, most large libraries (again, in the USA) use the
    Library of Congress catalog system and only have "Dewey
    collections" for older books that don't have an LOC number.

    Yes.. I see a LOC paragraph in some books. And apparently,
    different campuses may employ different "call numbers" within
    the LOC system.

    At least they did 30 years ago... heck, the LOC may have
    been replaced by now. :)

    I still a combination of both systems used in many books.

    At the university library, when I worked at one of the
    desks, the professors were the most difficult people to
    deal with by far.

    I can imagine that.

    That, and the flashers, restroom peepers, and other
    perverts. :O

    I would not have guessed that.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Apr 24 05:31:20 2021
    Re: shift sitting and watchin YouTube while working
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:00 am

    You have just reminded me of a Howrse Player. She worked at
    a rural library nwhich was rarely visited by anybody, so she
    spent most of her time playing Howrse. She joked she was
    paid to play online games rather than watch after the
    library.

    Was that person a qualified "librarian"? ..or just a part-timer?
    I'm amazed that there is/was even a career path for a degree
    called "library science". How hard is it to learn the dewey-
    decimal system.. NOT. The computers do it all, and it's just
    ONE system to learn and apply.

    I think she was no part-timer. Whether she had an education for the tast or not is a different question. I don't ever know which country she was from.

    That said, if it was a Library owned by the Administration (which seemed to be the case, because only the Administration would keep a library nobody visits in years) then it is likely she had some sort of qualifying paper.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Sat Apr 24 07:48:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

    Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
    seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.

    eBook readers often let you increase the font size.

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers
    let seniors read a larger variety of books.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Apr 24 09:20:15 2021
    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Dr. What to Ogg on Sat Apr 24 2021 07:48 am

    Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

    Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
    seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.

    eBook readers often let you increase the font size.

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers
    let seniors read a larger variety of books.



    atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a device. i dont know how people do it. maybe a kindle with that special screen is decent enough.
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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Sat Apr 24 08:22:00 2021
    Dr. What wrote to Ogg <=-

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook
    readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.

    Our library also offers movies and tv shows on DVD for check-out. My
    kids love to read so they go for the books at the library. If they find
    one worth reading more than once, they'll purchase it. I like going for
    the tv shows on DVD and the occasional audio book.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dr. What on Sat Apr 24 09:56:00 2021
    Hello Dr. What!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 07:48, Dr. What wrote to Ogg:

    Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks,
    which seem to be increasing in interest among seniors.

    eBook readers often let you increase the font size.

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So
    eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.

    One drawback to large font with ebooks, is it requires more
    frequent clicking or swiping to navigate to the next page.

    The paper book industry has a pretty good catalogue of LARGE
    PRINT books actually.

    For a sampling.. go to https://bookmanager/com ..then open the
    Subject option on the left side. There are about 24,000 titles
    in Fiction category. Other Large Print listings can be found at
    places like https://bookoutlet.ca ..just enter LARGE PRINT in
    the search.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Sat Apr 24 12:51:00 2021
    My guess is that you have to prove that you know something
    about literature.

    Apparently, the dark art the librarian are research skills?

    Yes, someone else pointed that out and I think they are correct.

    Also, most large libraries (again, in the USA) use the
    Library of Congress catalog system and only have "Dewey
    collections" for older books that don't have an LOC number.

    Yes.. I see a LOC paragraph in some books. And apparently,
    different campuses may employ different "call numbers" within
    the LOC system.

    Yes, I think that might be correct. Seems like we had some books that fell into more than one category and, sometimes, maybe one copy was in one area while another was in a different one. It has been almost 30 years so that
    is very fuzzy. :)

    I still a combination of both systems used in many books.

    It has been a long time since I have looked inside a book and found any
    Dewey info on the bottom or reverse of the title page. Some don't even
    have LOC info, though, and I am pretty sure smaller libraries still use it.

    At the university library, when I worked at one of the
    desks, the professors were the most difficult people to
    deal with by far.

    I can imagine that.

    I figured that might go without saying. :)

    That, and the flashers, restroom peepers, and other
    perverts. :O

    I would not have guessed that.

    My theory is this... the library was open during many hours when other
    public buildings on campus were not, the dorms were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to hide while watching young college students.

    I also was working there when the controversy surrounding "The Satanic Verse" was all over the news. That was an interesting Summer.


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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Apr 25 12:05:03 2021
    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Apr 24 2021 09:20 am

    eBook readers often let you increase the font size.

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.



    atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a device. i dont know ho

    Amazon's Kindle is a great e-Reading device. I read a bunch of books on mine when I first got it in '16. I then realised that I didn't have the time to read too many books so I purchased a small Bluetooth speaker to link to the Kindle, subscribed to Audible and I now listen to around a book per month while I am busy doing other things around the house.

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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to Elf on Sun Apr 25 12:11:36 2021
    Re: Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Elf to Dr. What on Sat Apr 24 2021 08:22 am

    Dr. What wrote to Ogg <=-

    Not many paper books come in the "large font" version. So eBook readers let seniors read a larger variety of books.

    Our library also offers movies and tv shows on DVD for check-out. My
    kids love to read so they go for the books at the library. If they find
    one worth reading more than once, they'll purchase it. I like going for
    the tv shows on DVD and the occasional audio book.

    ... Reduce brain fat. Eat Moral Fiber.

    I love audio books, they're a game changer for me. The Audible books, although a little pricey at $8 per month, are professionally voiced and are a joy to listen to. I am currently working through American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. It's 17 hours long in audio form.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Apr 25 02:33:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 09:20, MRO wrote to Dr. What:

    atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a
    device. i dont know how people do it. maybe a kindle with
    that special screen is decent enough. -+-

    I can't do it long-term (more than an 45min or so at a time)
    when reading from a traditional LCD computer screen. But the
    eReader devices and their e-ink displays are a much better
    experience. I have a 1st generation Kobo, circa 2009. The
    background display is consistently a kind of grey. Sufficient
    abmient light is still required. But a few years later, "paper-
    white" versions emerged.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 25 02:54:00 2021
    Hello Dumas Walker!

    ** On Saturday 24.04.21 - 12:51, Dumas Walker wrote to OGG:

    My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
    when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
    were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
    residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
    hide while watching young college students.

    During my time at university, access to campus buildings was
    very open too.

    I also was working there when the controversy surrounding
    "The Satanic Verse" was all over the news. That was an
    interesting Summer.

    I can't imagine living practically the rest of you life
    requiring round-the-clock security. I grabbed a copy of the
    book but found it hard to follow - and never finished it.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sun Apr 25 12:50:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    atleast for me, it's just so hard to read a book on a device. i dont
    know how people do it. maybe a kindle with that special screen is
    decent enough. ---

    I usually read on an 8 inch tablet, so it ends up being about paperback size reading.

    My wife has a 10 inch tablet. If you increase the font size on that, I
    think that most seniors would not have much trouble reading it. And they
    can always use a paper book holder to keep it upright to read.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Sun Apr 25 08:46:00 2021
    I also was working there when the controversy surrounding
    "The Satanic Verse" was all over the news. That was an
    interesting Summer.

    I can't imagine living practically the rest of you life
    requiring round-the-clock security. I grabbed a copy of the
    book but found it hard to follow - and never finished it.

    Me, either. I think that would bother me more, over time, than any threat
    on my life. If you have round-the-clock security you, in theory, have lost some of your freedom. Like a bird in a cage.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Zouf on Sun Apr 25 09:46:00 2021
    Hello Zouf!

    ** On Sunday 25.04.21 - 12:11, Zouf wrote to Elf:

    I love audio books, they're a game changer for me. The
    Audible books, although a little pricey at $8 per month, are
    professionally voiced and are a joy to listen to. I am
    currently working through American Psycho by Bret Easton
    Ellis. It's 17 hours long in audio form.

    Audio books would work better for me if they where more like
    radio dramas, with a touch of music in the background and some
    special sound effects. Some podcasts add a bit of sound, and
    those are excellent.

    For the about the same price as you paying now, libro.fm is a
    fine alternative with the added bonus that the files you
    download are yours to keep - in .mp3 format. Libro.fm is an
    independent project designed to support local bookstores.

    Mine is https://libro.fm/ashlies. (shameless plug!) :D

    There is currently a free audio book promo going on for the next
    couple days: https://libro.fm/ibd


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Apr 26 06:34:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

    Libraries in Canada offer access to ebooks and audiobooks, which
    seem to be increasing in interest among seniors. The libraries
    also offer public terminals to access the internet and offer
    spaces for community programs.

    I've read that millenials were driving library usage up, mostly for the
    media libraries. Walking around my local library, I see a lot of senior programs, too - and it ends up being a social hub.

    They have a tool lending library, too - great when there's an expensive tool you need for one part of one job and don't want to buy it/can't afford it/don't have room to store it.

    Our library used to have free Lynda Learning accounts (the company that LinkedIn bought and re-branded as LinkedIn Learning. Unfortunately, LinkedIn made a LI account a requirement for Lynda and the library was forced to discontinue their program.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Zouf on Mon Apr 26 06:39:00 2021
    Zouf wrote to Elf <=-

    I love audio books, they're a game changer for me. The Audible books, although a little pricey at $8 per month, are professionally voiced and are a joy to listen to. I am currently working through American Psycho
    by Bret Easton Ellis. It's 17 hours long in audio form.

    I've been listening to a lot of podcasts in the car, which are usually
    amateur voice talent, and some of them talk *really* fast.

    I listened to Into the Plex a while ago, with *professional* voice talent,
    and as I pulled into my parking spot, heard "End of foreward. Chapter
    One..."

    I've heard some voice talent I like (Jenny Stierlin, who narrates Laurie King's Sherlock Holmes/Mary Russell stories) and some I didn't like.

    I still like hearing the author read his/her own story.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Apr 26 06:44:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
    when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
    were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
    residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
    hide while watching young college students.

    During my time at university, access to campus buildings was
    very open too.

    When I was in college, you needed a university ID card to get in. I know at some larger schools, like Stanford, there's one library open to all, but the specialty libraries (like the law library) were restricted.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 26 18:47:39 2021
    Re: Re: shift sitting and watchin
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Apr 26 2021 06:44 am

    Ogg wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    My theory is this... the library was open during many hours
    when other public buildings on campus were not, the dorms
    were usually secured enough to be off limits to non-
    residents, and there were a lot of corners and places to
    hide while watching young college students.

    During my time at university, access to campus buildings was
    very open too.

    When I was in college, you needed a university ID card to get in. I know at some larger schools, like Stanford, there's one library open to all, but the specialty libraries (like the law library) were restricted.


    in the mid to late 90s that stuff in my area was wide open. you could walk around around and do whatever you want in the colleges. that caused a lot of problems with people that shouldnt be there doing thefts and fighting.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Mon Apr 26 20:48:36 2021
    Re: Easy Jobs g at amazon
    By: HusTler to MRO on Fri Apr 23 2021 08:16 am


    were bent out of shape over it. The Gossip was the company was trying to nail one particular employee that had been there a while. So not to single him out they tested everyone. He failed the drug test and fired him. That was the last of drug testing while I was there. I didn't work for UPS. I worked for a Security company that contracted with UPS. The workers looked very unhappy.


    i'm not even sure that when i was hired in that ups said they had a no drug policy. there was no drug test to get hired. i think they had something in the contract about it. it was a gray area.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tue May 4 09:35:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 04.05.21 - 04:20, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    gallery. There was no way to see *just* the lamps.

    you said local right? just type in lamps

    Things must have changed since the last time I tried it. Now, a
    key word search seems to work better. BUT.. they still have old
    pictures of stuff that are nolonger available. :(

    Going back to the idea of someone using fb to sell books, that
    might work afterall. But it would still require keeping up with
    removing titles that have been sold. For a small selection,
    that's easy. But for a larger collection, it could quickly
    spiral into a confusing mess of frustratio for the potential
    buyer. Using something like alibris or biblio might be a better
    option for listing a book collection.

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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Tue May 4 23:19:01 2021
    Re: audio books.. game changer for me
    By: Ogg to Zouf on Mon May 03 2021 06:11 pm

    The audio sample is very good. The fellow has good variety,
    inflection and articulation. The occassional sounds effects are
    used well.

    I also enjoy classic old-time radio dramas. They are perfect to
    wind-down to in the evenings.

    I'll take a look at Libro.fm. I have seen some competitors
    but I ended up buying into Audible becuase with my Kindle I
    was already a part of the Amazon eco-system. Everytime I try
    to cancel my subscription I either get a free audio book
    token or a 50% off for 3 months deal. That is the reason I
    have stuck with Audible for almost 2 years. I get so much
    free stuff everytime I try to leave that I attempt to cancel
    my subscription every 2 months. Amazon clearly don't want to
    lose their foothold in the books market that their
    retentions department are willing to go to great lengths to
    keep their customers happy.

    That's pretty good if you can minimize the costs per book. If
    you can maintain the "50% off" ad infinitum with Audible, why
    not?

    But the idea with Libro.fm is that you support your local
    community, and your books are drm-free and yours to play in
    whatever way you want.

    Libro.fm has/had a special offer for people switching from
    Audible announced in one of their blog posts: "Start your
    Libro.fm membership and get two audiobooks for $14.99 using code
    SWITCH. After that you'll be charged $14.99 for one credit each
    month, and you'll be supporting your local independent bookstore
    with your audiobook purchases."

    I am not sure if that code is still active.

    I was so impressed with the producion value of The Light of the Jedi that I pre-ordered the next book in the High Republic series. I hope it's also voiced well with sound effects, etc... The only other audio book I have in my collection that's similar is the Terry Pratchet: BBC Radio Drama Collection. It's a collection of 4 Discworld books adapted to each be around 2-3 hours long which are fully voiced by an ensemble cast.

    Well you can't have the $3.99 per month subscription running indefinitely. Audible switch your retention rewards from 3 months at 50% off to a free credit and allow you to freeze your account for 3 months also. I've also seen them throw in credit deals for members such as 3 for $15. Amazon also do Kindle sales where you can purchase books on their store for less than $10 and get the audiobook with it for free. That's how I got sucked in the begin with... I purchased a book on a discount for $6.50 and ended up with the audible copy for nothing. I was so impressed I signed up to Audible and was given a free credit, same as Libro.fm.

    Audible gives the customer bang for buck as it's a lot cheaper than the competition AND they throw a lot of free stuff at you if you know how to play the game. Libro.fm is obviously more expensive but they do represent a more honest company. Amazon will quite happily support Audible, subsidize them and hemorrhage money if needs be so long as they destroy the competition in the end. After that then they'll probably hike up their prices, remove controvertial authors from their libraries and stop offering discounts to retain customers.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 4 22:57:00 2021
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Friday 30.04.21 - 06:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Divarin:

    Book publishers do all sorts of nonsense to libraries. Last
    I read they were trying to establish some twisted
    skeuomorphic rule that e-books could only be checked out
    12-13 times before the library would have to buy a new
    license, because physical books only lasted for 12-13
    checkouts.

    I heard that too. I couldn't believe it. But I suppose digital
    copies generated by the library for the purposes of offering
    downloads, constitutes "manufacturing" or something. But the
    fact that libraries are not businesses and would not earn income
    from the process, shouldn't be forced to repurchase a digital
    license after X-number of loans.

    The closest example to a digital copy wearing out would be an
    actual CD version of the book. Wrt audio books, there are
    complete audio "kits" complete with player and earphones too
    called "pre-recorded players" - but they retail at $65USD and up
    per title.

    BTW.. the folks at playaway.com/audiobooks claim: "Did you know
    cars are one of the most popular places to listen to audiobooks?
    ..But by 2021, 46% of cars sold in North America will not have
    CD players."

    Librarians were incensed, not just because they were
    applying invalid old maxims to new systems, but because
    they felt like if they could only get 12- 13 checkouts out
    of a book they didn't deserve to be called librarians.

    I haven't heard that criticism. Sounds like there is no
    shortage of insults and bullying going on by some people in the
    publishing biz.

    They showed books with significant wear, but still sound -
    after 100+ check- outs.

    The very same publishers even offer "Library Editions" of
    popular books. Those editions are often constructed much better
    than a typical commercial copy.

    It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore
    out after a certain number of plays.

    I bet the bigwigs are still kicking themselves for that missed
    opportunity!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Tue May 4 06:34:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I sometimes have a problem with people that have nothern UK
    accents.

    Jenny Stierlin is more of your typical, broadcast RP accent by my ear.

    We watch a lot of Britbox and Acorn at my house - my wife's English. Southern/western accents are easily understandable, Northern are a little tougher, and the Scottish shows make me want to turn on closed captioning.

    I could live in Cornwall.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Tue May 4 06:39:00 2021
    MRO wrote to all <=-

    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 03 2021 05:16 pm

    Jenny Stierlin reads Sherlock Holmes mysteries from the
    perspective of Mary Russell, Sherlock's companion and later
    wife, and it works well for the stories. She has a voice
    reminiscent of a younger Judy Dench to me. I think she's

    wife? sherlock holmes??! HAH

    Laurie King is local to me. She's taken Sherlock from retirement, raising
    bees in Sussex in the 1890s to the early 20th Century, WWI, traipsing around Palestine, San Francisco, Scotland, and points elsewhere. They're
    entertaining reads. Mrs. Hudson and Dr. Watson make an early cameo, too.

    She has a back story that Mary Russell, the narrator, wrote journals of
    their adventures and someone mysteriously left them at Laurie King's
    doorstep.

    The author also has a series set around a female police investigator in San Francisco in (I think) the 1990s.

    They'd make an interesting Netflix series, but the idea of a English man in his 70s marrying a girl in her early 20s might not fly these days.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 5 10:44:59 2021
    Re: Re: ..people don't really use
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue May 04 2021 06:39 am

    doorstep.

    The author also has a series set around a female police investigator in San Francisco in (I think) the 1990s.

    They'd make an interesting Netflix series, but the idea of a English man in his 70s marrying a girl in her early 20s might not fly these days.

    sounds like a bunch of bullshit. sherlock holmes would never marry.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Wed May 5 06:55:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The very same publishers even offer "Library Editions" of
    popular books. Those editions are often constructed much better
    than a typical commercial copy.

    I just noticed "Library copy" in the description of some of the kids' textbooks I bought online.


    It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that wore
    out after a certain number of plays.

    I bet the bigwigs are still kicking themselves for that missed opportunity!

    Isn't that how those Redbox DVDs work? Time limited playback?


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  • From Darknight77055@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 6 13:20:47 2021
    Re: Re: ..people don't really use libraries anymore
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Apr 26 2021 06:34 am

    The city where I live they have 1 location that actually has a kisok to pick up books etc (a michine) open m-f downtown
    z

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Darknight77055 on Thu May 6 22:08:00 2021
    Hello Darknight77055!

    ** On Thursday 06.05.21 - 13:20, Darknight77055 wrote to
    poindexter FORTRAN:

    The city where I live they have 1 location that actually has
    a kisok to pick up books etc (a michine) open m-f downtown z

    How can one machine offer any book that someone wants? Is the
    kiosk more like a pickup and drop-off system?


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 8 21:31:00 2021
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Wednesday 05.05.21 - 06:55, your wrote to me:

    The very same publishers even offer "Library Editions" of
    popular books. Those editions are often constructed much
    better than a typical commercial copy.

    I just noticed "Library copy" in the description of some of
    the kids' textbooks I bought online.

    I'm referring to actual editions that designed for Libraries vs
    the consumer. I guess the proper term is "Library binding".

    For example:

    Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: The Original
    Screenplay (Library Edition) | Hardcover
    J K Rowling
    Published Nov 19, 2016
    $27.99 US / $34.99 CA list price
    EAN=9781338132083

    .vs.

    Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: The Original Screenplay | Hardcover
    J K Rowling
    Published Nov 18, 2016
    $24.99 US / $29.99 CA list price
    EAN=9781338109061


    It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that
    wore out after a certain number of plays.

    Isn't that how those Redbox DVDs work? Time limited
    playback?

    I thought rebox operated just like blockbuster rentals. You're
    penalized when you don't return them on time. They just used
    standard DVDs.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Zouf on Sat May 8 21:57:00 2021
    Hello Zouf!

    ** On Tuesday 04.05.21 - 23:19, Zouf wrote to Ogg:

    I was so impressed with the producion value of The Light of
    the Jedi that I pre-ordered the next book in the High
    Republic series. I hope it's also voiced well with sound
    effects, etc... The only other audio book I have in my
    collection that's similar is the Terry Pratchet: BBC Radio
    Drama Collection. It's a collection of 4 Discworld books
    adapted to each be around 2-3 hours long which are fully
    voiced by an ensemble cast.

    A lil'bit of sound in the background helps to make up for a
    reader who might not be engaging. To solve that, I found out
    that I could put on my own music in the background (usually just
    an instrumental) and the reading suddenly becomes much more
    "alive".

    Well you can't have the $3.99 per month subscription running
    indefinitely. Audible switch your retention rewards from 3
    months at 50% off to a free credit and allow you to freeze
    your account for 3 months also. I've also seen them throw in
    credit deals for members such as 3 for $15.

    There's always a lil' gimmic that is hard to resist. No doubt
    that it effective to retain a user.

    Audible gives the customer bang for buck as it's a lot
    cheaper than the competition AND they throw a lot of free
    stuff at you if you know how to play the game.

    The freebies are hard to resist.

    Libro.fm is obviously more expensive but they do represent a
    more honest company.

    Reminder.. the audio is drm-free (ie, shareable) and not
    restricted to any particular app or player *and* part of the
    sales proceeds go to a small biz indie of your choice.

    Amazon will quite happily support Audible, subsidize them
    and hemorrhage money if needs be so long as they destroy the
    competition in the end.

    They're already affecting FedEX, Purolator and the existing
    postal services, big time. Early in the shipping game, A-n was
    using those services. Now, A-n is using their own version of
    delivery services. This is dramatically affecting the viability
    of the aforementioned delivery services.

    A-n wants you to think that they are the ONLY place to shop.

    After that then they'll probably hike up their prices,
    remove controvertial authors from their libraries and stop
    offering discounts to retain customers.

    If they are the only game in town, they can do whatever they
    want. By then, nobody will care because there will be nothing
    viable to counter A-n.


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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Sun May 9 12:04:36 2021
    Re: audio books.. game changer for me
    By: Ogg to Zouf on Sat May 08 2021 09:57 pm

    They're already affecting FedEX, Purolator and the existing
    postal services, big time. Early in the shipping game, A-n was
    using those services. Now, A-n is using their own version of
    delivery services. This is dramatically affecting the viability
    of the aforementioned delivery services.

    A-n wants you to think that they are the ONLY place to shop.

    After that then they'll probably hike up their prices,
    remove controvertial authors from their libraries and stop
    offering discounts to retain customers.

    If they are the only game in town, they can do whatever they
    want. By then, nobody will care because there will be nothing
    viable to counter A-n.


    I don't know exactly how Amazon managed to get the US Postal Service to subsidise their postal costs. An analysis from Citi Bank revealed that USPS undercharged Amazon by $1.46 per package. This occurred fairly early in Amazon's life, circa 2008/09. This allowed Amazon to compete asymettrically against their competition. Now the chickens are coming home to roost as Amazon are now delivering close to 50% of their own packages and the consumer dependency on Amazon has increased by orders of magnitude. They are systematically destorying brick and morter retail, the postal service along with other private delivery services such as UPS and Fex Ex and other online digital retailers who cannot compete. Once the pandemic is over, I predict that Amazon will be one of the only games in town as they will keep pushing to consolidate the market. It's the same story all over the world and not just in the USA.

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  • From Elf@VERT/DMINE to Ogg on Sun May 9 07:59:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    It would be as if the MPAA developed a DVD format that
    wore out after a certain number of plays.

    Isn't that how those Redbox DVDs work? Time limited
    playback?

    I thought rebox operated just like blockbuster rentals. You're
    penalized when you don't return them on time. They just used
    standard DVDs.

    Last I checked, Redbox will charge you for each day you have the DVD,
    up to $25 worth of fees after which point, they stop charging you and
    the DVD is yours to keep.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Sun May 9 07:31:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I just noticed "Library copy" in the description of some of
    the kids' textbooks I bought online.

    I'm referring to actual editions that designed for Libraries vs
    the consumer. I guess the proper term is "Library binding".


    Yep, that's what I was referring to - I was buying textbooks.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Divarin on Sun May 9 19:30:00 2021
    Hello Divarin!

    ** On Sunday 02.05.21 - 09:08, Divarin wrote to Ogg:

    So today I checked on the Cleveland library's site again and the
    audiobooks are back!

    I don't have any official information about what happened
    but my guess is that they were defending themselves and
    spending legal costs to do it then covid happened and
    financial priorities shifted so maybe they just caved and
    took all of their audiobooks out of circulation until they
    had the resources to defend their right to distribute them.

    My guess is that they probably just took down the catalog to
    avoid an onslaught of requests while they wiped and disinfected
    the cases before making them available again.

    The local libraries here adopted an early "by appointment only"
    kind of deal where you call the library, request what you want,
    and they book you a time-slot to pick up. Then, anything that
    someone brings back is disinfected *and* isolated for a week
    before it is made available for circulation.

    Anyway as of this morning, at least, audiobooks are back up
    on their web site some on CD and some downloadable.

    Maybe ask someone as to what the story behind the take-down
    was?


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  • From Divarin@VERT/MUTINY to Ogg on Wed May 12 08:09:26 2021
    Re: audio books.. game changer for me
    By: Ogg to Divarin on Sun May 09 2021 19:30:00

    My guess is that they probably just took down the catalog to
    avoid an onslaught of requests while they wiped and disinfected
    the cases before making them available again.

    Maybe but they were still checking out DVDs, CDs, and books
    Plus they pulled their download only audiobooks as well.

    Maybe ask someone as to what the story behind the take-down
    was?

    I would if I were to go into the library in person again but since I'm full time wfh now I don't get downtown much. Actually ever.
    Well once in a blue moon I email them a 3D print job and go in to pick it up, I guess i could ask then.

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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 09:47:47 2021
    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Apr 25 2021 02:33 am

    I can't do it long-term (more than an 45min or so at a time)
    when reading from a traditional LCD computer screen. But the
    eReader devices and their e-ink displays are a much better
    experience. I have a 1st generation Kobo, circa 2009. The
    background display is consistently a kind of grey. Sufficient
    abmient light is still required. But a few years later, "paper-
    white" versions emerged.

    I have been reading on non-paper devices since the early 2000's. (I actually started out by using my palm pilot to read textfiles and stuff) Today I mostly read on devices with an E-ink display like a kindle or a kobo when i'm outside. Reading on a tablet can be a little distracting from time to time (same with reading on a desktop and stuff. My wife still sticks to 'real paper' but hauling around a big paperback novel in her purse (as opposed to my little kindle that holds an entire library) does make her doubt her choices from time to time.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Knightbbs on Sun Jun 13 20:31:00 2021
    Hello Knightbbs!

    ** On Saturday 12.06.21 - 09:47, Knightbbs wrote to Ogg:

    I have been reading on non-paper devices since the early
    2000's. (I actually started out by using my palm pilot to
    read textfiles and stuff) Today I mostly read on devices
    with an E-ink display like a kindle or a kobo when i'm
    outside. Reading on a tablet can be a little distracting
    from time to time (same with reading on a desktop and
    stuff. My wife still sticks to 'real paper' but hauling
    around a big paperback novel in her purse (as opposed to my
    little kindle that holds an entire library) does make her
    doubt her choices from time to time.

    I don't need hundreds of books on my kobo. Infact, it came pre-
    loaded with a pile of titles (mostly familiar classics) that
    are impossible to remove.

    That clutters up the booklist and takes longer to navigate to
    the title that I really want.

    So.. in order to read the book that I want, the shorter the
    book list, the faster I can get to it using the Sort by Title
    option or Sort by Author option or by Last Read.

    Most of the time I'll just want to resume the book that I am
    currently reading, so that's always the first destination
    provided by the device.

    I'm not the kind of reader that would want to flip
    interchangeably between multiple books in a week. I'll want to
    stick to a story and finish it. Then.. when I'm done, I'd take
    it off.

    So, I don't see the benefit of having an ereader and boast 100+
    titles.

    Likewise with a physical book.. I like to remain faithful to
    one book at a time and remain focused on that story and its
    characters. If I didn't have an ereader, 2 or even 4 physical
    books to choose from would not be a burden.

    With the ereader, I would be more stressed out if the battery
    runs low and I am not able to read what I want WHEN I want
    while the darn ereader needs to charge, ;) ..or freak out
    when I realize that I've forgotten to pack the charging cord.
    :O

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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Tue Jun 15 07:05:52 2021
    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Ogg to Knightbbs on Sun Jun 13 2021 08:31 pm

    I'm not the kind of reader that would want to flip
    interchangeably between multiple books in a week. I'll want to
    stick to a story and finish it. Then.. when I'm done, I'd take
    it off.

    Totally with you there. I have about 3 books on my devices at any one time. That way you focus on what you want to read and not get distracted and "hop around" different books.


    With the ereader, I would be more stressed out if the battery
    runs low and I am not able to read what I want WHEN I want
    while the darn ereader needs to charge, ;) ..or freak out
    when I realize that I've forgotten to pack the charging cord.
    :O

    That hardly happens. Ereaders are highly efficient when dealing with battery life. I only have to recharge my devices once every couple of weeks.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Knightbbs on Tue Jun 15 09:20:00 2021
    Hello Knightbbs!

    ** On Tuesday 15.06.21 - 07:05, Knightbbs wrote to Ogg:

    With the ereader, I would be more stressed out if the
    battery runs low and I am not able to read what I want
    WHEN I want while the darn ereader needs to charge, ;)
    ..or freak out when I realize that I've forgotten to pack
    the charging cord. :O

    That hardly happens. Ereaders are highly efficient when
    dealing with battery life. I only have to recharge my
    devices once every couple of weeks.

    Yeah.. doesn't happen often, nor does a low level mean that it
    will be out of juice in minutes. eReaders/e-ink is amazing
    that the device only uses power when changing the screen.

    But.. I've had people seeking out my shop for the privilege to
    charge their tablets, phones or ereaders. There were a handful
    of times when people would come crying to my shop and swearing
    OFF at ereaders henceforth because they forgot the dedicated
    cables.


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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Ogg on Wed Jun 16 13:40:23 2021
    Re: ..people don't really use
    By: Ogg to Knightbbs on Tue Jun 15 2021 09:20 am

    But.. I've had people seeking out my shop for the privilege to
    charge their tablets, phones or ereaders. There were a handful
    of times when people would come crying to my shop and swearing
    OFF at ereaders henceforth because they forgot the dedicated
    cables.

    What kind shop do you have ? I have to admit, there is a certain romance to a paper book and just hiding away from the screens we spend so much of our lives behind.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Knightbbs on Wed Jun 16 20:19:00 2021
    Hello Knightbbs!

    ** On Wednesday 16.06.21 - 13:40, Knightbbs wrote to Ogg:

    What kind shop do you have ? I have to admit, there is a
    certain romance to a paper book and just hiding away from
    the screens we spend so much of our lives behind.

    New & Used Books: https://ashlies.ca

    You can see additional photos via the Google-biz side-menu
    thing if you google for "books bancroft ontario".

    I get unusual remarks.. "kids don't read anymore today", "i'll
    wait for the movie version.." etc.

    But the truth is that the book industry is quite abuzz with
    issuing 100's of new titles across a myriad of categories every
    month. Books for teens and pre-teens are extremely popular.

    When people are done with a book, they can bring it back to me
    and I offer an in-store credit for another book.


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  • From hollowone@VERT/AMIGAC to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 26 22:34:00 2021
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-

    Actually, there is an experiment according to which they ruin your
    hobby when they turn it into a job.

    There are many cautionary tales of amateur photographers that go pro. Enjoying doing something and doing something to get paid can be
    mutually exclusive.

    As my son graduates high school and considers colleges and careers I realize how lucky I am that I'm paid to play with cool technologies I couldn't afford to get my hands on otherwise.

    That is sometimes true, when you can really connect the two into mutually inclusive.
    But as you wrote about, it may turn mutually exclusive as well.

    I wento pro into programming decades ago while learning all that stuff as homebrew, self taught hobby.

    I continued to do it both ways for years.. Just outcome domains were different. Huge databases and analytics as a pro, graphics programming and hacking into internals as a hobbyst. The second is still with me. First dropped off since I moved on and focused on management side of things.

    But I believe if the first stayed forever I'd not like to do it after hours.. I'd rather like to find new hobby to complement the damn typing skill.

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