It puts the user into a confusing well of pathways because Linux is not the end all and be all of operating systems. I've always put Linux in the category of "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" because that's what it is.
Vlk-451 wrote to All <=-
Nothing more makes me write off a user's credibility in
troubleshooting computer problems revolving Windows or Apple computers
by saying the two most obnoxious things possible; "Try Linux!".
Nightfox wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I'd think the same thing could be said of Windows though? Since so
many people use Windows, you could say Windows has to sort of be a jack
of all trades.
Vlk-451 wrote to All <=-
Nothing more makes me write off a user's credibility in troubleshooting computer problems revolving Windows or Apple computers by saying the two most obnoxious things possible; "Try Linux!".
Don't you mean "GNU/Linux"? After all, it's the ecosystem of GNU utilities that make the Linux kernel into a usable system. Incorrectly calling GNU/Linux anything else is as bad as running non-free software...
:)
Nightfox wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I'd think the same thing could be said of Windows though? Since so many people use Windows, you could say Windows has to sort of be a jack of all trades.
I tell 'em that OS/2 does everything better. To quote my old caller, Sam Uzi:
n..- Area: nirvana.tech.flame ---------------------------------------------------
Msg#: 95 Sent Date: 20 Jul 94 12:31:00
From: SAM UZI Read: Yes Replied: No
To: JOHN SMITH Mark:
Subj: OS from heaven ----------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
sure, whatever... but OS/2 is THE BEST Operating System in the world, and can run circles around anything else, and it looks nicer, and will cook
your breakfast for you, and make your coffee, and has 3D-bordered
icons, and is nifty, and looks cool, and is True-Blue, and can run DOS better than DOS, and will take out the garbage, and will get you chicks,
and has got a 438 Hemi duo-blaster twin quad super injection turbo
ramjet ultra thingy that makes it go real fast, and it can juggle, and
it knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake, and
it will end world hunger, and it has fine Corinthian leather, and it
never makes you say you're sorry, and it always uses a condom, and it
likes the kinds of pizza and ice cream that you like, and it plays
bitchin' guitar, and it manages files like there's no tomorrow, and its object-oriented multi-media neural-net shipping next quarter, and it is bullit-proof like 20 layers of #4 Kevlar body armor, and it is so multi-threaded that it weaves a heavy wool blanket while its idleing,
and my momma told me when I was just a lad that it was the best, and it
has a heavy manual, and it uses less characters in its name than other
OS's, and its recomended by four out of five dentists, and it can kick Superman's ass, and it's meaner than the junkyard dog, and its the
choice of the next generation, and it will let you so many things at the same time that your head will spin, and it can dance, and ... oh never mind... it sucks...
│ God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. └─[V-=>PF]
This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)
│ God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. └─[V-=>PF]Joe Normie has no knowledge of the internet existing pre-WWW. I think the internet properly entered the public consciousness around 1996-97. Obviously people were aware the WWW existed prior to that due to the free AOL floppy disks and CDs that were handed out like candy, but anyone online before then would be somewhat of a pioneer.
This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)
Mike
##Mmr 2.61ß. !link V- 4-01-21 12:42
Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Don't you mean "GNU/Linux"? After all, it's the ecosystem of GNU utilities that make the Linux kernel into a usable system. Incorrectly calling GNU/Linux anything else is as bad as running non-free software...
:)
I like free software and the GNU/Linux vs Linux dileniation, but not
every linux kernal system uses GNU utilities I think? Aren't a lot of
the core system functions based on UNIX like system? There's more to
that quote that I'm forgetting.
Zouf wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-
Joe Normie has no knowledge of the internet existing pre-WWW. I think
the internet properly entered the public consciousness around 1996-97. Obviously people were aware the WWW existed prior to that due to the
free AOL floppy disks and CDs that were handed out like candy, but
anyone online before then would be somewhat of a pioneer.
Zouf wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-
Joe Normie has no knowledge of the internet existing pre-WWW. I think the internet properly entered the public consciousness around 1996-97. Obviously people were aware the WWW existed prior to that due to the free AOL floppy disks and CDs that were handed out like candy, but anyone online before then would be somewhat of a pioneer.
The AOL disks got you onto their service initially, a "walled garden" of their content. It wasn't until later that AOL became an ISP first and a content provider second.
AOL, Compuserve, the Source and Prodigy all gained users by hosting content you couldn't get elsewhere.
... Abandon desire
That's super interesting! I always thought they were just an ISP who packaged their disks with Netscape Navigator (?) and had no idea they were also providing users with walled off content.
Re: Re: Gaia Online
By: Zouf to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:49 pm
That's super interesting! I always thought they were just an ISP who packaged their disks with Netscape Navigator (?) and had no idea they wer also providing users with walled off content.
aol was like a bbs. they even had dos clients for a while.
FIRST they had their own walled off content, then they allowed you to use th
Zouf wrote to MRO <=-
I had no idea they had a DOS client either. I Googled it just there
after seeing you mention it and saw an image of AOL for DOS version 1.6
on a 5 1/2" floppy. One guy on Reddit said he used it on his clunky 286 IBM PS/2 for access to e-mail, encyclopedias and chat.
Before that, Qlink, the early version of AOL ran on a Commodore 64!
Re: Re: Gaia Online
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zouf on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:52 am
Before that, Qlink, the early version of AOL ran on a Commodore 64!
That's really neat. I wasn't aware at all of an online service for the C64/128/
Seems like the even offered services for multiplayer games such as chess, backgammon and checkers.
It appears that hobbyists have ressurected the service calling it Quantum Link Reloaded which can be accessed via an authentic Commodore using a WiFi serial connection.
Knightbbs wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-
Damn 1994 :) I got my first modem at about that time and went on dailup internetz. Fondly remember using netscape and actually finding stuff
via Yahoo.
Knightbbs wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Still pretty amazing that tech like this still exists and that there is
a use for it. I'm starting to get the hang of messages and how they
work and I have to say I love the fact it's not "instant".
I am looking for messageboards that are active around a variety of
topics (except sports and politics, i'm based in Belgium so I don't
know the first thing about baseball). I'm buiding up some experience
and insight so I can do an episode on BBS in my podcast.
1994 for me was still Mosaic, NNTP, MUDs and telnetting into a shell account for mail. We had a leased-line at work and I was able to play around with TCP/IP, a cisco router, and a Sun 3/60 box providing network services.
I miss the shell account.
Still pretty amazing that tech like this still exists and that there is a use for it. I'm starting to get the hang of messages and how they work and I have to say I love the fact it's not "instant". I remember what it used to be like when I had ICQ (and dail up). I would only get messages by the end of the day when i dailed up onto the net. That anticipation of that oh-ow sound when you got a message was cool. Back in those days notifications were a novely and not a nusence.
I am looking for messageboards that are active around a variety of topics (except sports and politics, i'm based in Belgium so I don't know the first thing about baseball). I'm buiding up some experience and insight so I can do an episode on BBS in my podcast.
Look at FidoNet and some of the other message areas. Sadly, they are nowhere as active as they were thirty years ago but a lot of people do love to post and you'll get a good feedback loop.
Re: Gaia Online
By: Vlk-451 to All on Thu Mar 11 2021 10:55 am
It puts the user into a confusing well of pathways because Linux is not the end all and be all of operating systems. I've always put Linux in the category of "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" because that's what it is.
I'd think the same thing could be said of Windows though? Since so many people use Windows, you could say Windows has to sort of be a jack of all trades. If you think Linux is a jack of all trades and master of none, do you think there's anything in particular that Windows or Mac OS have really mastered? They're all general-purpose operating systems, and perhaps what Windows still has going for it is the amount of software & drivers available (due to its usage share).
I think the various operating systems have their place, and I'm not going to automatically recommend "try Linux" to anyone, but if you use a PC for at least some basic purposes like reading email, checking Facebook, etc., a Linux distro could be a good daily use OS. It's not for everyone though (but there are even people who don't like Windows or Mac OS, so I'm not sure I'd say those are for everyone either).
Nightfox
│ God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. └─[V-=>PF]
This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)
Mike
##Mmr 2.61ß. !link V- 4-01-21 12:42
Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Don't you mean "GNU/Linux"? After all, it's the ecosystem of GNU utilities that make the Linux kernel into a usable system. Incorrectly calling GNU/Linux anything else is as bad as running non-free software...
:)
I like free software and the GNU/Linux vs Linux dileniation, but not every linux kernal system uses GNU utilities I think? Aren't a lot of the core system functions based on UNIX like system? There's more to that quote that I'm forgetting.
That's just Richard Stallman being himself. Not a quote, but any interviews I've heard with him, mentioning Linux and/or Open Source would earn you a lecture in the semantics of Free Software.
Ironically, in one of the interviews of him, he referred repeatedly to "Digital Restrictions Management". I would have liked to correct him patronizingly on mic.
Re: Gaia Online
By: Nightfox to Vlk-451 on Thu Mar 11 2021 14:11:19
I have no other context from this conversation and I honestly don't know why I would have made that argument.
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