Over the past several years, I keep hearing about how Intel is struggling in the market now. Since 2020 or so, it seems AMD has had a steady advantage with their processors over Intel. I remember seeing some benchmarks in 2020 showing AMD's flagship desktop processor was beating Intel's flagship desktop processor in many areas. Not to say Intel is making bad stuff, but it seems AMD has been fairly steadily popular with a lot of PC builders for several years.

I worked at Intel from 2011 to the end of 2019, and while I was there, I started to hear about Intel's chip manufacturing struggling and falling behind around 2018-2019 or so. TSMC's chip manufacturing process had surpassed Intel's, allowing AMD and other chip makers to make smaller transistors for their chips, and Intel struggled with that. Although Intel has tended to manufacture its own chips, I've heard Intel has now outsourced some of their chips to TSMC to make use of their process technology.

Also, while I was at Intel, I saw some changes in leadership at some fairly high levels. A couple of business group leaders left for other companies. The CEO also changed when I was there. Brian Krzanich was the CEO when I started, but eventually he was kicked out due to a supposed relationship with a subordinate - but I heard from others that people were unhappy with his leadership, as he was supposedly expected to help boost Intel's manufacturing, as Brian Krzanich was an engineer before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become permanent CEO, but he didn't last long. They then brought in Pat Gelsinger, who was there for just a few years before resigning in 2024 (his plan to turn Intel around was apparently not working well enough).

At any rate, I've heard a lot of news about Intel recently that makes it sound like they're just not doing very well. For a while now, I've had a feeling they've had bad management, and sometimes it seems like Intel doesn't know where they want to go. Like many tech companies, they've had a lot of layoffs as they ramp up projects and then decide to cancel them, buy other companies & sell them, etc..

As Intel has been a behemoth in the computer industry for so long, it feels a bit surreal to me to see them seemingly fading away, particularly since I worked there for about 8 years..

Nightfox

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Re: Intel: Once mighty, now falling?
By: Nightfox to All on Tue May 06 2025 09:54 pm

resigning in 2024 (his plan to turn Intel around was apparently not working well enough).

At any rate, I've heard a lot of news about Intel recently that makes it sound like they're just not doing very well. For a while now, I've had a feeling they've had bad management, and sometimes it seems like Intel

It's always the management to blame. The companies have all the resources on an equal plane. but the managemant will destroy the company. Alot of Peter Principle in all companies. Here, let me hire my brother in law to fill this position. I know he doesn't know what he's doing, but I don't make bad decisions, so it must be something else.....
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Over the past several years, I keep hearing about how Intel is
struggling in the market now. Since 2020 or so, it seems AMD has had a steady advantage with their processors over Intel.

Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that
way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen
CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out
there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...

before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become
permanent CEO, but he didn't last long.

I worked with Bob at eBay, he was an incredibly smart man and
personable. Not sure why he wouldn't have stayed longer, but sounds
like they wanted someone with more industry experience. I think he was
also getting ready to semi-retire.

As Intel has been a behemoth in the computer industry for so long, it feels a bit surreal to me to see them seemingly fading away,
particularly since I worked there for about 8 years..

Yeah, for a company to have built the foundation of desktop computing
to not be there anymore would be strange indeed.



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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, now falling?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed May 07 2025 07:41 am

Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...

I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.

My main desktop PC at home is one I built in 2019, just before I left Intel. At the time, Intel was struggling, and the CPU I wanted was out of stock in Intel's employee discount program. After waiting about 6 months, I decided to just buy one from Amazon at the reatil price.

before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little
while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become permanent
CEO, but he didn't last long.

I worked with Bob at eBay, he was an incredibly smart man and personable. Not sure why he wouldn't have stayed longer, but sounds like they wanted someone with more industry experience. I think he was also getting ready to semi-retire.

When I was at Intel, I often watched the business update meetings presented by the CEO. When Rob Swan was the interim CEO, initially he said it wasn't his intention to be CEO permanently (maybe he just liked being an accountant); then he accepted the CEO position. I'm not sure what changed his mind.

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, now falling?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox
on Wed May 07 2025 07:41 am

Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...

I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty
good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they
had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.

My main desktop PC at home is one I built in 2019, just before I left Intel. At the time, Intel was struggling, and the CPU I wanted was out
of stock in Intel's employee discount program. After waiting about 6 months, I decided to just buy one from Amazon at the reatil price.

before becoming CEO. They had an interim CEO (Bob Swan) for a little
while (who was in accounting) who eventually decided to become permanent
CEO, but he didn't last long.

I worked with Bob at eBay, he was an incredibly smart man and personable. Not sure why he wouldn't have stayed longer, but sounds like they wanted someone with more industry experience. I think he was also getting ready to semi-retire.

When I was at Intel, I often watched the business update meetings presented by the CEO. When Rob Swan was the interim CEO, initially he said it wasn't his intention to be CEO permanently (maybe he just liked being an accountant); then he accepted the CEO position. I'm not sure
what changed his mind.

AMD user here as well. Been using AMD since start of 1997 and any
computer I've built since then has been AMD. I do have intel chips,
from laptops and from "vintage computers" I've bought.

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...

I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty
good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they
had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.

AMD user here as well. Been using AMD since start of 1997 and any computer I've built since then has been AMD. I do have intel chips,
from laptops and from "vintage computers" I've bought.

I used to build my own gaming systems in the 80's and 90's. I tried
some Intel competitors at the time. Cyrix was one of them, but their
performance always seemed to be lacking in comparison the Intel
offerings.

I did also build some systems with AMD cpu's and most of them were
solid performers but were just a jump behind the speed and response of
the Intels. Since they weren't as expensive, they were a great choice.
The only real issues I had with them was that when playing intensive
games - they got extremely hot. If you were able to cool them
efficiently this wasn't normally a problem. However I did have
overheating problems with them as I tried to cool them the same way I
did the Intel builds.

The link is a Tom's hardware display where they removed the cooling
while playing a 3d shooter and what happened to the Intel and AMD
cpu's. I know, I know - they did it on purpose, but this just
demonstrates how hot the AMD's (at the time) ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk

After having some overheating issues, I stopped using them. I also
realize this was a long time ago and AMD has solved any of these issues
(I think).

Cougar

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

I used to build my own gaming systems in the 80's and 90's. I tried
some Intel competitors at the time. Cyrix was one of them, but their
performance always seemed to be lacking in comparison the Intel
offerings.

I did also build some systems with AMD cpu's and most of them were
solid performers but were just a jump behind the speed and response of
the Intels. Since they weren't as expensive, they were a great choice.
The only real issues I had with them was that when playing intensive
games - they got extremely hot. If you were able to cool them
efficiently this wasn't normally a problem. However I did have
overheating problems with them as I tried to cool them the same way I
did the Intel builds.

The link is a Tom's hardware display where they removed the cooling
while playing a 3d shooter and what happened to the Intel and AMD
cpu's. I know, I know - they did it on purpose, but this just
demonstrates how hot the AMD's (at the time) ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk

After having some overheating issues, I stopped using them. I also
realize this was a long time ago and AMD has solved any of these issues
(I think).

I was always under the impression that AMD was faster, because they were able to make some instructions execute in fewer cycles, whereas Intel went for speed, as speed was more marketable.

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating issues, and I live in a climate which can get quite hot in summer. In the end, I didn't buy AMD to save a lot of money, but to be able to buy a higher range CPU. There that, and brand loyalty.

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

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I was always under the impression that AMD was faster, because they
were able to make some instructions execute in fewer cycles, whereas
Intel went for speed, as speed was more marketable.

I remember someting to that effect as well...

I also remember when I read the difference between RISC and CISC and
how processes were done. Opened my eyes to more than just 'a chip.'




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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have Hudson run a bypass.

Stay frosty!

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Re: BURP!
By: Cougar428 to MORTAR on Sun May 11 2025 21:35:56

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have
Hudson run a bypass.

"It's the only way to be sure."

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have Hudson run a bypass.

Stay frosty!

You could solve many problems with a bypass!



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